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[Optimist]

Sounds to me like head wrecking stuff! Not sure what is the matter with the WG in question but my advice is to stay away unless you like drama!

After sixteen years in FKK I have finally learnt to steer clear of the head wreckers. Unfortunately I seem to find them all the time. I used to enjoy the drama but not now

[John Traveller]

I'm going to visit Cologne in the near future and I would appriciate some advice of what club to choose. Babylon, Samya, Mondial, Bernds, Finca Erotica are all on my list. My taste in clubs are the more intimate ones like Living Room, with good service, friendly, no upsells. A good line-up is also nice of course, but service must take first priority. I will visit on a Saturday. Thanks.

[Der Auslander]

Or are the girls getting crazier?

Sounds to me like head wrecking stuff! Not sure what is the matter with the WG in question but my advice is to stay away unless you like drama!

[BigBuddy69]

That's just love at first sight.

[Optimist]

Or are the girls getting crazier?

I went with a new to me girl yesterday for one hour. Today I did an hour session and she ended by saying she would miss me when I left Germany. Later I took her to the room again, and she started by saying I was her special customer, and acting upset when I said I had been waiting hours for her, or (this is what upset her) another girl, to be free. Well, maybe she likes me or maybe she thinks I am gullible. However she then asked me my age and when I refused to tell her (she guessed fairly accurately) she immediately got upset, and terminated the session, saying I could see her tomorrow but she would not do more with me tonight. I decided then to leave the club: she saw me, and asked where I was going, seeming surprised.

I wondered whether she was taking something to make her delirious.

[Jooeey]

Excuse me but what is GFC?

Has a lot of meanings.

Global Financial Crisis.

Get Fucked ****.

Girl Friend Crisis.

[The Cane]

Just like there is no point arguing that prices should be lower or higher, there is also no point in bashing tippers. Guys tip and I have done so occasionally, due to various reasons to express gratification from a good session, in expectation of future good sessions, habit, guilt, show of status, what have you. Non tippers can bash tippers as being profligate, tippers can bash non tippers as being cheap Charlies and it will not get us anywhere. The reality is that when price for a product or service is somewhat fixed, but different consumers obtain differing amounts of value from it, some will pay higher than others and tipping is one avenue to do so.

It's extremely rare for me to ever tip a girl. Given how much money I'm already spending, I don't feel the need to do that. Virtually all of my sessions are hour-long ones with lots of anal and, of late, CIM. I don't think anybody can legitimately accuse me of being a "cheap Charlie" for not tipping. That's good money I'm laying out in advance for which top-notch service should be expected without further remuneration. Also, in those environments where the girls earn commissions on drinks, like in the Spanish clubs, I don't mind buying an overpriced drink for a girl I'm serious about sessioning with. And they appreciate it too. Now, that's a lot of money I'm already plunking down. So, I go into each session with an expectation for quality service based on what I've already agreed to pay. No tips from me! Usually! Every now and then a girl I've already paid a bunch of money to will try. I almost always tell her "no". Been so long, I don't recall the last time I've tipped. And to me, that's a good thing! Like I said, I've already given her enough of my money.

[Takedown]

Once again, you say you're not arguing for higher rates, but then the majority of what you write points directly towards that proposition

If you look back at my posts, you can see that I explicit said for the purpose of "de-villainizing" the girls who are looking for a higher wage to keep up with rising cost. That means you can keep paying the same prices but not have contempt for them and their desire for higher pay. We all do.

[Member #4581]

Just like there is no point arguing that prices should be lower or higher, there is also no point in bashing tippers. Guys tip — and I have done so occasionally, due to various reasons — to express gratification from a good session, in expectation of future good sessions, habit, guilt, show of status, what have you. Non tippers can bash tippers as being profligate, tippers can bash non tippers as being cheap Charlies and it will not get us anywahere. The reality is that when price for a product or service is somewhat fixed, but different consumers obtain differing amounts of value from it, some will pay higher than others and tipping is one avenue to do so.

[BigBuddy69]

Excuse me but what is GFC?

[Member #4581]

It's worth clarifying if the stock has split. A stock that is 25% the value it used to be is worth the same to shareholders if it has split 3 times.

Sorry to prolong a discussion which probably doesn't belong in this thread, but those were not stock splits. Banks' book values and capital ratios got destroyed due to losses from GFC, and hence they had to issue new equity at much lower stock prices to shore up capital base to pass stress tests etc. So, many bank stock prices are lower now than they used to be, but market caps are a bit higher than implied by stock price. Say, stock price is 20% of where it used to be, but number of shares is 3 times higher, and hence market cap is 40% less than it was.

[Sirioja]

Average girl's profit after expenses?

Busiest girls of course, my girls, not GND hunting for business. Some can be over 20000 in Germany, before pimp of course, then sometimes no money for the girl.

[Escape Artist]

The girl knows what the prevailing rate and norms are and agrees to them at least implicitly, if not she should consider another venue or make it clear. Pretending to agree to 50 and then trying to put on conditions or upsell in the room is definitely not cool. These girls should really not be respected, after all they have agreed to the prevailing rate or led you believe that they did.

The thing is that they do comply with the club rate. The club does not specify the quality of service. By objective measures, they are doing their job. So if we are using technical measurable such as supply and demand to evaluate the girls' worth, they are also technically in compliance with their job description.

[Rogue Nation]

I think you are right in fact. Not all salaries rise with inflation and it is about supply and demand. A flood of Romanian girls arrived and that is why the rates never went up, in fact perhaps they should have fallen and did not.

When Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007 and could legally work all over the EU a massive influx of Ro / Bu girls into Germany, Spain, Austria and even Switzerland (non EU) was the result. It was a possibility to make a lot of money in the P6 industry, be it Clubs, streets, walk in houses, apartments. Prices in clubs stagnated since then. Other variations of P6 saw a price reduction, e. G. Apartments and walk in houses. In 2002 I paid 300 DM / hour for a session in an apartment. That's 153 EUR. Now in the same city I pay between 100 and 150 EUR for an hour. I am not saying that this is fair. But the girls are not employees with a regular salary increase. They are independent and self employed. It's a question of demand and supply, and when the gates opened there was and still is a huge supply of EE girls, of clubs and other P6 options.

[HungryStud101]

As an FYI, I have done 11 sessions this trip and in 3 different clubs; one in Hesse and two in the NRW. I am 11 for 11 on BBBJ. There are sharks in the water for sure and these girls are experts at the walletectomy. However, the BBBJ is alive and well in FKK land.