Kyiv

[Michi T]

Most of the girls I met in Kiev had good English skills. Language is important. Hard to find an emotional connection and pretty much impossible to have a meaningful relationship without it. I don't waste my time with non English speakers in Kiev and I have never felt it to be a problem.

That was also my experience with my several cities in Ukraine. Most young girls have some English skills.

[Michi T]

Interesting view! I've had many pretty good evenings with non-English speaking girls in many countries of Eastern Europe, between with hand gestures and Google translate! Good laughs and lots of fun create good connection! I remember getting on a taxi in Kiev and asking for a city tour! Very cheap, 200 for a 2 hours tour where he took me proudly everywhere in the city, and we also had a good laugh between his lack of English and the Translator! LOL!

I guess you have to be sociable, flexible and genuinely be interested in others and enjoy their company. Everyone enjoy when someone is genuinely interested in them and that helps you create connection across many boundaries.

200 UAH for two hours taxi. Oh, so expensive! I paid only 20 UAH!

Let's be serious. The bus ride from Boryspil airport to Kiev costs 100 UAH. A simple Uber ride in Lviv for a distance of 6 km costs 70 UAH. So don't tell such lies that you paid 100 UAH per hour taxi in Kiev! That just shows that all of your stories are of same fantasy!

[Jymondor]

Excellent post. Thanks.

Tried Ksusha once. I would rate 9/10 on attitude. Very willing to please. Only problem was the strong smell. Even after bath.

Maybe she had some health problem that time since I am DATY lover. Vaginal smell is the dealbreaker to me. I booked Ksuscha twice during that trip. Both times she smells fresh and healthy.

[Riina]

I've had many pretty good evenings with non-English speaking girls in many countries of Eastern Europe, between with hand gestures ...

Me too, when I was young and pretty.

[Sevenup]

Most of the girls I met in Kiev had good English skills. Language is important. Hard to find an emotional connection and pretty much impossible to have a meaningful relationship without it. I don't waste my time with non English speakers in Kiev and I have never felt it to be a problem.

Interesting view! I've had many pretty good evenings with non-English speaking girls in many countries of Eastern Europe, between with hand gestures and Google translate! Good laughs and lots of fun create good connection! I remember getting on a taxi in Kiev and asking for a city tour! Very cheap, 200 for a 2 hours tour where he took me proudly everywhere in the city, and we also had a good laugh between his lack of English and the Translator! LOL!

I guess you have to be sociable, flexible and genuinely be interested in others and enjoy their company. Everyone enjoy when someone is genuinely interested in them and that helps you create connection across many boundaries.

[PhotoSlider]

Sometimes I have the feeling that I'm missing something, like, the fact that I'm a total idiot and don't understand things normal people learn with their skin.

That was my bad for not explaining in sufficient detail.

RB, how many languages do you speak or at least understand well enough? If it's only one or two: Deutsche Schprache und American English, then picking up any Slavic on the fly is tough. In fact even for native Russian speaker really good Ukrainian is difficult, because it is closer to Polish, Czech, Belorussian, and further away from Russian. There's surrogate Ukrainian "Surzhik" widely used in Kiev but that is more like Spanglish rather than real language.

I understand 3 languages at good level, 3-4 more at beginners level [Non-English text deleted by Admin]., and 2 more at a very rudimentary level. And always insist on learning the language of the country I visit, no matter how short the trip is.

It is easier to learn another one, as long as it is not obscure, and somewhat related to those you already know.

Still, I'm tempted to ask, how do you explain this? When I ask someone to speak a foreign language, I am at a total loss and understand Bahnhof. Russian and Ukrainian sure sound beautifully, but without instruction in English both are meaningless.

Google Translator and Lonely Planet CDS / MP3's help me to learn fundamentals in advance, usually during the flight. Building up a vocabulary of 200 words, 50 most important phrases and how to count takes 2-3 not even full days. Lonely planet has a special language for "Romance" including most vital phrases.

Let's say I am in Latin America, and [Non-English text deleted by Admin], but she is beautiful and somehow we want to spend our time together. This is a perfect opportunity. The natural way is with her telling you words for her exotic eyes, their color, lips, neck and going slowly further down. It'll take time, but I am not in a hurry and rewards are enormous!

But then, what is the gain of pretending to speak only English?

Forgive my curiosity.

Glad you asked. Am curious myself, hence insist on speaking local.

Gain is strictly for myself to learn yet another language.

I understand 50-70% of good conversational Ukrainian as spoken in Rivno, Ternopyl or Lviv. I still struggle speaking, but working on that.

These days when I talk to girls in Kiev I do not want to fall into Russian conversation, and not for political reasons. I know that both of us can still use it easily. Common language definitely establishes good communication channel. I however want to continue gaining advantage as I progress through my life and am of an opinion that learning Ukrainian is helpful, because I am in Kiev frequently enough.

Some of the students these days have excellent English thanks to Exchange programs and ongoing integration into Europe. I do not want them to answer me in English either, because then I do not learn anything.

As Jymondor stated younger kids use Ukrainian, and I prefer them mostly no older than my 20 years old cognac.

Besides those reasons subtitles in Theaters during performances are written in Ukrainian, movies are in Ukrainian, and going to Cinema with an adventurous enough GIA girl is highly recommended.

Admittedly my approach is somewhat twisted and artificial, and it is much easier for me to go the chosen route than for a mono-lingual foreigner.

The choices for most not native speakers are as follows:

1. Wait for visa-free girls go to Europe, study linguistics there, become tongue carriers, and then hopefully they will return back.

2. Learn yourself.

3. Pay for English speaking providers. Usually more expensive.

4. Use Viber and Google Translator and the "Universal Language of Love". Maybe you and her can sync up without any spoken words at the sub-conscious level, but it's a gamble.

I do think that over the next 3-5 years most will speak palatable English. Now downtown 30-50% speak some, especially in service industry. Even older generation does. Something unheard of 30 years ago.

On a related subject: I do not believe that talent has been depleted in Kiev. Lots of students make up healthy part of population in this European Capital. Some are geeky and nerdy, some are leggy and quite attractive from multiple perspectives, and many are very much fuckable. I would actually argue that statistically representative set of ladies still residing in Ukraine permanently fits my requirements better than those that travel or relocate.

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[Riina]

Most of the girls I met in Kiev had good English skills. Language is important. Hard to find an emotional connection and pretty much impossible to have a meaningful relationship without it. I don't waste my time with non English speakers in Kiev and I have never felt it to be a problem.

[EmailAdd222]

Excellent post. Thanks.

Tried Ksusha once. I would rate 9/10 on attitude. Very willing to please. Only problem was the strong smell. Even after bath.

After publishing my brief March report, I receive many PMs asking questions about GIA girls. Instead of answering new PMs, I would rather publish a detailed report, which helps mongers to choose the right girl in Kyiv. Boring long-haul overseas flight is the perfect time for that kind of writing. At the bottom of my report, I copy-pasted my brief March tour review to keep it together for the reader's convenience.

Exciting March tour makes me travelling to Kyiv again. Same as in March I concentrated on the GIA girls because as I already mentioned, in my opinion, GIA is the ONLY reliable agency in Kyiv. Therefore, I did not even try any other options. Currently, GIA features 44 girls. Three girls I've already seen Alexa, Kristina and Dominika, are not listed anymore. It means that I had 38 girls to choose for my nine-days venue. It is more than enough.

Reading my reports please note, that I rate the girls comparing GIA girls to the GIA girls. The general base of the comparison is much higher than the Kyiv average. Therefore, if girl rated 6/10 in my report, it could be equal to 10/10 comparing to the girls from the suspicious ad sites. I cannot say anything about sugar babies with the multi-day arrangements because this is not my cup of tea.

[Guntherus]

Sometimes I have the feeling that I'm missing something, like, the fact that I'm a total idiot and don't understand things normal people learn with their skin. Still, I'm tempted to ask, how do you explain this? When I ask someone to speak aforeign language, I am at a total loss and understand Bahnhof. Russian and Ukrainian sure sound beautifully, but without instruction in English both are meaningless. But then, what is the gain of pretending to speak only english?

Forgive my curiosity.

Exactly!

I go even further by asking girls to talk to me in Ukrainian. This way I learn new beautiful language. Sometimes I pretend that I only speak English.

I also see penetration of borrowed words from other languages. No Spanish yet, but there's Italian, Arabic, Turkish. Most of the Europe speaks English anyway, and Latin America or Asia do not have any reason to go to Kiev for mongering.

[PhotoSlider]

Because I am fluent both in Russian and Ukrainian I try to start each conversation in Ukrainian. Less than 30% answer me in Ukrainian. But if I talk to younger people it can be 70% or even more. Russian is still the main language in Kiev. I think it will take years if not decades before Ukrainian will prevail.

Exactly!

I go even further by asking girls to talk to me in Ukrainian. This way I learn new beautiful language. Sometimes I pretend that I only speak English.

I also see penetration of borrowed words from other languages. No Spanish yet, but there's Italian, Arabic, Turkish. Most of the Europe speaks English anyway, and Latin America or Asia do not have any reason to go to Kiev for mongering.

[PhotoSlider]

Neighbours can call the apartment owner. In many cases, the condition to be quiet after 11:00 PM is listed in the rental agreement. Besides, I hate squeaking.

Some apartments state "No partying and corporate outings". Many buildings downtown have offices, and not only on the first floor staying empty at night. Different type of soundproofing exists. Much older building are usually better.

I never had neighbors complaining despite having karaoke signing with two Kramatorsk beauties at 2-3 am in the kitchen and another one in the bedroom. But I try to be respectful and not to make an excessive noise. No overnight DJs, no smashed bottles, no throwing pizza on the wall or TV sets out of the window like a true rock star.

My criteria is simple. What would I tolerate in my own apartment?

- Banging the girl till she moans and screams in yet another orgasm? Definitely!

- Having a squeaky bed? No. Because it distracts me in the process of taking her to the next orgasm.

- Music at a reasonable level? Always!

- Not slamming the entrance door and keeping the voice down outside? Absolutely!

[PhotoSlider]

And some girls work on the case by case base. At least two of them Mila and Varvara told me that they place their availability no more often than two-three days per week but not always being picked. Talking to all the GIA girls I met I found that only Ksusha and vanished Dominika can be named as the full-time employed by GIA. All other girls either have other job or study.

Some former employees didn't study or work, and had regular friends outside in the real life, working only when they felt like.

If the girl doesn't spend too much money on extras and controls her budget she can live in Kiev quite comfortably on 40% kept at GIA plus sometimes a side income. That is GIA business model advantage. Keeping the girls happy by not overworking them and making money over longer term encounters as opposed sweat to factories where providers easily have 6 or more one-hour tricks per shift. GIA girls are not as jaded. Also most of the time during conflicts GIA supports their providers not the customers especially short-term visitors and new one-time users.

One of the reasons for Ksusha being an FTE is having a child of her own. I wouldn't be surprised if Dominika returns at some point, just like Veronika, Alexa, Valeria and many others. Unfortunately some of the true gems are retired now. BTW GIA search engine allows to filter by smoking preference and passport, but not by childbirth or English level.

I consider escort girls who worked in the same agency for two years as the veterans. So if I talking about the girl working for GIA for the long time I mean a year or more.

Attitude certainly depends on personality and established chemistry, still after one year the difference is noticeable. Educating new talent is always so much fun!

[Jymondor]

Everybody still speaks Russian in Kiev and there is minimal rejection, simply natural gradual evolution due to displacement in schools, colleges, TV, press, etc. More frequently than before question asked in Russian may get response in Ukrainian. I would estimate 70-90% of spoken street language is still Russian. Museums, theaters, transportation, printed and officially announced info is more and more in Ukrainian. Google translator is not that bad.

Because I am fluent both in Russian and Ukrainian I try to start each conversation in Ukrainian. Less than 30% answer me in Ukrainian. But if I talk to younger people it can be 70% or even more. Russian is still the main language in Kiev. I think it will take years if not decades before Ukrainian will prevail.

[Jymondor]

Complain? Of a squeaking bed? Heh heh, how do you picture this? And what when the girl is a screamer in bed? I would be proud of my successes in the bedroom, even if it's not a real success but a monetary achievement. But the neighbors don't know that! But maybe this is not your point, but the solution to this "problem", which is a rented apartment from GIA-agency?

Neighbours can call the apartment owner. In many cases, the condition to be quiet after 11:00 PM is listed in the rental agreement. Besides, I hate squeaking.

[Jymondor]

Some girls get semi-permanent sponsors one way or the other. Some of the GIA girls get poor reviews, do not make enough money and leave the agency for supposedly greener pastures. Most of the girls accumulate enough dedicated contacts over time and start milking multiple boyfriends and part-time hourly lovers by using IG, Viber and Telegram.

Some get permanent employment after graduating, and typically do not want their picture published on GIA web-site during last year of college.

There is also a probation period for new GIA hires. Those may disappear quicker than average if things do not work out to mutual satisfaction.

Out of 40 or so GIA girls working today, 25-30 weren't there 2 years ago. Some like Svetlana, 41, worked for long time. Some, like Ksyusha and Valeria leave and return back. Some leave on extended trips while still with the agency, but are taken off for the time being.

Out of 10+ girls that I had over last 2 years only 1 is still with the agency, and she is not in Kiev at the moment but is on website.

And some girls work on the case to case base. At least two of them Mila and Varvara told me that they place their availability no more often than two-three days per week but not always being picked. Talking to all the GIA girls I met I found that only Ksusha and vanished Dominika can be named as the full-time employed by GIA. All other girls either have other job or study.

A few times I asked Kristina or Nina (phone girls) for the complete list of the girls available today. I never received the list with more than 20 girls in spite I called at 11:00 AM to make the first pick. Availability of some girls becomes known after 5 PM or so as they leave their main job.

One more thing. I consider escort girls who worked in the same agency for two years as the veterans. So if I talking about the girl working for GIA for the long time I mean a year or more.