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[Smoke Light]

Ya kebdy 3 aleyk, Smoke Light! Kick her to the curb. She is messing with your head. I can't be a bystander to this. She claims to be afraid of emotional bondage, but it is really you who are the one in emotional bondage because you are paying for rooms in which the girl isn't even kissing, in effect saying, "I'm better than you".

The number one rule of a session in Fuck Club: neither side is trying to put the other side down. "Thou shalt not be a victim, thou shalt not be a perpetrator. ".

Kick her to the curb!

Good day Polyamorist.

You are 100% correct. I petty myself for knowing the truth and not resisting going with her again. And again, and again, LOL. My problem is when she is working, I cannot take my eyes off of her. Guilty as charged and plain stupid! In my defense I say she fits all my specs extremely well and does all the extras I need except DFK. I see it as a challenge to break her behavior on my next mongering trip in August.

[Polyamorist]

For example, after a good number of my sessions with one girl, she asked to stop kissing her. Why? She said because she doesn't want to get too close and to fall in love with someone who isn't local. It made me kinda suffer and I suddenly felt lost in my heart because I wasn't prepared for such a change. However, I care about her and I don't force the issue further. I still fuck her each time she is in a club, but it has a feel of an ex girlfriend. If she'd start kissing again, I'd spend a lot more time with her in the room.

Ya kebdy 3 aleyk, Smoke Light! Kick her to the curb. She is messing with your head. I can't be a bystander to this. She claims to be afraid of emotional bondage, but it is really you who are the one in emotional bondage because you are paying for rooms in which the girl isn't even kissing. In effect she is saying, "I'm better than you".

The number one rule of a session in Fuck Club: neither side is trying to put the other side down. "Thou shalt not be a victim, thou shalt not be a perpetrator. ".

Kick her to the curb!

[Takedown]

If you have never had a healthy relationship with a woman who makes a good income I guess you will see it this way. Plenty of guys in clubs who are married to good women but have a desire for younger, more attractive women for sex. Does not mean they are not in happy relationships. There's more value in a woman than good sex. Some are good mothers and caring life partners. Just because you do not see value in this does not make other men victims of illusion. They can quite possibly love a woman and still have desire for sex with other women. Open your mind. Or at least embrace a more mature view of human relationships.

Girls do not like other clients to see how much you are charging who because apparently many guys accuse girls of you did that to such and such for how much etc LOL.

However, nothing is free in FKK no matter what. I got free session once in FKK, but that is only I gave her free legal herbs as I promised to bring a day earlier, so I guess she was touched that I remembered and brought it for her, but again, it is not really free, I paid for that legal herbs though it must have been like 10 euro as a value and I got good 30 min.

Nothing is free in tuting world in one way or another we are paying for it.

On the other hand, nothing is free in sex with normal girls either, you are paying for wining and dining, trips, hotels etc etc.

Some guys see this reality, most guys do not see this reality and lives in illusion that girls and society sells to you LOL.

[UltraHappy]

I had an unpaid fine from my previous visit. Turkish banks are asking 50 usd for an international transfer. It can be trouble to pay the fine. Also it is hard to understand why rental company charge you 20 euro just to process the speed tickets.

Very easy to pay German speeding tickets with www.transferwise.com. Only costs $3 fee to pay directly to German city IBAN account. Transferwise even has an app for your phone, so you can just pay with your phone if you want.

The administrative fee from the car rental company is supposedly to cover their administration costs for having to search their database for your info and filling out the ticket paperwork that says who was driving the car when the ticket was issued.

I was assuming Mid July or August will be bad but I wasnt expecting that for Mid June.

Girls always coming and going. Summer is always a nice time to visit for me. Sure, a few of the girls are away on holiday at any one time, but plenty of other girls still working. I mean, it's not like they all decide to leave at the same time. Some girls take their holiday early, some late, some for 2-3 weeks, some for 1-2 months. If you are interested in booking a particular girl, that's what Whatsapp is for. For example, I avoided buying a ticket to Germany back in March because my favorite girl was on a holiday that month.

Car.
I enjoyed a smart this time. Usually pay 50 euro gasoline but this time it was about 33 euro.

With Sixt, the price difference per day between a Smart and the next size up is only $1-$2 per day. That minimal savings is not enough for me to justify getting a Smart. Much better in my opinion to get a Volkwagen Polo or Ford Fiesta size car. Smart has no power steering. Just my personal opinion.

[Iceberg27]

I want to make some brief here for my last travel (15-17 June) . I made lots of RFF here before I go because every time I am being so excited about my FKK Travels. In ramadan lots of free time in Office and at home waiting for İftar. But weirdly I couldn't figüre out that Summer will has such serious effect on lineups. I was assuming Mid July or August will be bad but I wasnt expecting that for Mid June. Also let me know your comments how does it affect with certain clubs? I haven't been to Palace but I guess Both Sharks and Palace not much affected of Summer. Abroad clubs are much more affected like Oase and World.

Sagami.

I gathered it through the distributor in Czech Republic. They send it in two business days. I had one box of 0. 001 and one box 0. 002 mm. I heard that 0. 001 is only for Oral Sex. I don't know it is true or not. They send me the Euro size but 0. 001 was really hard to put on dick. Some girls couldn't do it and give it to me to handle. Maybe I should use the gel inside the box. 0. 002 has no problem to get on. But I felt the difference between 0. 002 and 0. 001. When I use it first time in Oase I cumm in 15 seconds becuse I didn't cumm in 15 days. Amazonde has better prices but 20-30 days delivery time.

Comparisons-Oase-Sharks-World.

I have posted detailed posts in related threads but I want to make a brief here. I was very disappointed with Oase but I think this club too much effected of summer. There were many new girls. And I was looking too much first timer. I was a little bit tired and in payment area I forgot to wait for hand wrist and the girl called me and in bar area after I put my passport and Money to box I moved to lockers area and barmen called me "Hey your tower and shoes man!" and some girls saw that. I was in a shy mood. Every girl asked me Is it your first time? Famous Helena couldn't catch me. She is telling "You remember my twin. I am new here! I think she is a bad liar. I will visit World as my 3rd club in my next visits if I am so much bored of Sharks and Oase.

FRA or NRW.

Definitely NRW. My previous NRW visit was fabolous. I know there is summer effect this time but I believe recently GT and even Samya service levels are higher than all FRA clubs. This year GT has been my best club.

Note: Normally I was so decisive not to go Ocean's again but a girl in World told me they are allowing girls wear clothes and also man can have. It is really can be interesting to see these women in mini skirts. It just turns me on. I understand your point to see them naked so no surprise in room but I think this rule not always have to be followed. So this is an innovation.

Hotel.

Intercity Darmstadt. Always a good choice. Kind staff. Nice rooms. Affordable prices. 70 Euro per night. Close to Haubhanhoff. A very close supermarket. Book and Drive Station just in front. (anyone tried this? How is cost?) Parking 12 Euro per day.

Car.

I enjoyed a smart this time. Usually pay 50 euro gasoline but this time it was about 33 euro. I hope I don't have any speed tickets this time.

Kreiss Mettman.

I had an unpaid fine from my previous visit. Turkish banks are asking 50 usd for an international transfer. It is very hard to understand for me why banks are closed at 3 p. M on Friday in Germany. I was so lucky that I find a kind lady accepted to make the payment through her Sparkasse Account through cash machine. My suggestion is to obey speed limits in Germany. It can be trouble to pay the fine. Also it is hard to understand why rental company charge you 20 euro just to process the speed tickets.

[Bfsie]

Perhaps this could be a source of side income for you or another career option?

LOL. I have my moral standard and will never do this no matter how poor I am, because they are the real victims of sex industry and I have my sympathy to them.

[UltraHappy]

The relationship has not ended and is still going on. It is not like a hot movie plot and it happens a lot in sex industry in Netherlands and Germany where I am very familiar with, particularly to the WGs at 18 and 19 years old.

I am surprised that she is not paying you tons and tons of cash for you to be her "loverboy" - LOL.

Perhaps this could be a source of side income for you or another career option?

You are a lucky man!

[Bfsie]

What you are describing reads like a hot movie plot. Could you kindly tell us how this relationship has ended (I am assuming it has), because it's also important to the subject of this discussion.

The relationship has not ended and is still going on. It is not like a hot movie plot and it happens a lot in sex industry in Netherlands and Germany where I am very familiar with, particularly to the WGs at 18 and 19 years old.

For ISG readers who are travelling mongers not living in Germany or a neighboring country, the situation is different and more difficult.

You are absolutely right. Traveling mongers have tremendous disadvantage in terms of relationship with WGs and actually make it almost impossible. So I don't blame traveling mongers' failure to have meaningful relationships with WGs and I have sympathy to them.

For example, after a good number of my sessions with one girl, she asked to stop kissing her. Why? She said because she doesn't want to get too close and to fall in love with someone who isn't local.

Unfortunately this is the mentality of the WGs in Germany and Netherlands.

[Smoke Light]

McAdonis,

I will give you a overview of the relationship between us, otherwise we will get into endless discussions which would be beyond the point of helping the readers and I am not interested in.

Bfsie,

What you are describing reads like a hot movie plot. Could you kindly tell us how this relationship has ended (I am assuming it has), because it's also important to the subject of this discussion.

For ISG readers who are travelling mongers not living in Germany or a neighboring country, the situation is different and more difficult. For example, after a good number of my sessions with one girl, she asked to stop kissing her. Why? She said because she doesn't want to get too close and to fall in love with someone who isn't local. It made me kinda suffer and I suddenly felt lost in my heart because I wasn't prepared for such a change. However, I care about her and I don't force the issue further. I still fuck her each time she is in a club, but it has a feel of an ex girlfriend. If she'd start kissing again, I'd spend a lot more time with her in the room.

[Bfsie]

McAdonis,

I will give you a overview of the relationship between us, otherwise we will get into endless discussions which would be beyond the point of helping the readers and I am not interested in.

First all, I don't go to FKK clubs as you probably know, so there is no locker room. Everything happened before 7 or 8 sessions was in the room of a brothel. I have always one principle in my mind and that is: my love for her as the currency exchanges for her sex, the same principle as loverboy's as I explained in my previous post. Remember she is in love with me and our relationship is a relationship of loverboy and his girl. In theory and in practice, I don't have to pay anything for free sex because I provide her with my love. In this particular case, I could even ask her for money if I want to, based on my intuition, because she is a very popular WG and has good money. But I never did as I said I have my moral standard.

To answer your questions, we don't go to restaurant or have any outside event. When we met (usually in her place), we made love as she said. I didn't buy anything for her, none. But each time when I went there I made sure that I expressed my love for her and that is all she wants and wants to hear from me.

Lastly, I think that your "turning point" question is important for you and other readers to handle the moment for your own cases in the future. I basically said: "I love you and can I make love to you in your place or my place?" she said: "yes" ... Then we never talk about money for sex again.

McAdonis, if you feel that it is not proper to say what I said (I love you and can I make love to you in your place or my place?) That means your relationship with the WG is not ready yet for private meetings. You have to get to that point before having free sex.

[Mr Ho]

In my experience with 2 girls who gave me "in club" discounts, I always offered to pay at reception or near the lockers. I'the take out my money wallet or the appropriate amount, they'the quickly grab just a single 50 or 100 note and take off when the bill should have been 200 or 300. Never had a completely free session in the club. If they were upset at me for something, they would take the full amount.

Girls do not like other clients to see how much you are charging who because apparently many guys accuse girls of you did that to such and such for how much etc LOL.

However, nothing is free in FKK no matter what. I got free session once in FKK, but that is only I gave her free legal herbs as I promised to bring a day earlier, so I guess she was touched that I remembered and brought it for her, but again, it is not really free, I paid for that legal herbs though it must have been like 10 euro as a value and I got good 30 min.

Nothing is free in tuting world in one way or another we are paying for it.

On the other hand, nothing is free in sex with normal girls either, you are paying for wining and dining, trips, hotels etc etc.

Some guys see this reality, most guys do not see this reality and lives in illusion that girls and society sells to you LOL.

[Takedown]

So that first free session would represent the "turning point". Does she just tell you at the money locker, "you don't need to pay"? Do you offer to pay, then she hands the money back to you?

In my experience with 2 girls who gave me "in club" discounts, I always offered to pay at reception or near the lockers. I'the take out my money wallet or the appropriate amount, they'the quickly grab just a single 50 or 100 note and take off when the bill should have been 200 or 300. Never had a completely free session in the club. If they were upset at me for something, they would take the full amount.

[McAdonis]

I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her.

If you have special feelings and care about her, I assume you go out with her in public.

I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.

Often times people never ask. Sometimes it is understood. If I am at a restaurant with a GF, she will just ask for the check and pay. We more or less alternate on who pays. But nobody keeps track whose "turn" it is. If I specifically insist on going to an upscale restaurant of my choosing, then of course, I would pay every time. For bigger things like holidays, a GF would say something like "I already booked the airfare. Don't forget to book the hotel".

For the first example, I never asked her to pay. For the second example, we may have agreed a week prior on dates for a planned holiday, but I never asked her to pay for our airfare. She just did it proactively. And then told me that I was responsible for paying for the hotel.

For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session.

So that first free session would represent the "turning point". Does she just tell you at the money locker, "you don't need to pay"? Do you offer to pay, then she hands the money back to you?

[Pistons]

Most normal girls from affluent backgrounds remain idealistic for a while but girls who come from poverty lose their idealism much much earlier. But that doesn't mean they would never date a poor guy. Jaded, money hungry women all over the world still get in relationships with broke, loser boyfriends well into there 30's. Women are inconsistent and incongruent so the words always and never should hardly ever be used to describe their actions.

I totally agree on this one, and there are tons of examples. Except it might be better to not generalise women. Better to say both men and women are inconsistent in these matters. It is part of being individuals.

[Sirioja]

Just like any other local monger, I monger normally and don't "invest" on any WG for the purpose of being their loverboy for free session. I did between 120 and 140 sessions a year. But I am a cheap guy and most of my sessions were 30 min with cost of about 70 euro per 30-min session on average. Once in a while I found the girl whom I liked a lot, so I did more sessions with her. For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session. But I don't consider they were the "investment" because I had good time with her and would do her anyway even if I don't get free session now. I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her. I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.

I think that for local mongers like you, after 4 sessions with the WG within relatively short period of time, you can start to make a move because by that time she knows that you have special interest in her and are not a "normal" monger for her. But the key is that you HAVE TO select the girl at 18 or 19 years old (preferably 18) and it won't work if she is over 19. During the later sessions, you should start to make some romantic comments like I like you a lot, you are beautiful and so on..

18/20 yo little girls have not much interest to play with, only maybe worth for freshness and not always. Most often lack of sensuality for behavior and in bed, I prefer to play with woman types, much more interesting, and usually mum women are great for sweetness in bed. I love classy mannered, elegant woman types.

I love You from a girl or when You made her cum, don t mean anything in this business. Today she may claim to love You, and tomorrow hate You. Not real love like in real life, just illusion, even when it s for free and out of clubs. What a pride to have relationship with a WG fucked by everybody for money.

I really enjoy when difficult to communicate with the girl, not speaking english, then only eyes, smiles, hands and caresses talk. Really enjoyable, no lies.