Bangkok Reports

[MonkeyPaw]

I wonder what housekeeping says. They do gossip and keep logs (not the wooden types)

I tend to stay in condos off AirBnb, so there is no issue or extra charge for bringing back multiple girls back to the room. I've had many many threesomes, foursomes, and fivesomes this way. The only other way is to also stay in a 5 star like Radisson Blue, Westin, or Sheraton Grande where the don't really ask for ID who care about how many girls go up to the room. In the condos, I clean my own room everyday. When I do stay in hotels, I of course, hide all my play toys including restraints, before housekeeping comes in to clean my room.

[Amnesia]

4 - Quickly go take a coupon for public taxi, while waiting your number to be called you can buy food / drinks. Ask the taxi driver to take the express way.

5 - Most taxi drivers give you 2 options, I. Go with meter and pay the toll charges for the express way or II. Settle a fixed amount (around 700 baht) and everything is taken care by the driver. Choose the later option since with earlier option taxi drivers tend to go slow / wait so that meter adds wait time !

700 THB including tollway sounds way too expensive. The actual meter should be around 300-350 maybe, tollway must be 70 or so. Maximum 500 all-in, but I don't see how a fixed fee is saving you much time. The driver still has to stop at the toll booth to pay the toll.

In general, 3 hours for DMK-BKK is quite risky. Traffic in Bangkok is unpredictable. I advise people to take the Airport Link and BTS when they have that little time. Understand it might be inconvenient when you have a lot of luggage and / or just arrived after a long flight. But it's usually the safest option. (For the way from DMK to the next BTS Station take a cab or the airport shuttle that stops at the BTS stations).

For the taxi stand in DMK, keep in mind that the line can get quite long when many flights arrived.

As for Grab, I never really understood why anyone would need it in Bangkok. Most of the time it's easier and faster to flag a taxi on the street. During the times when you actually could need such service (I. E. Rush hour), they don't have a cab available. Quite often the driver can't find your place, takes hours to arrive, or decided he should grab some food first. The only two use cases are (1) girls taking a cab during the night, and (2) foreigners who cannot speak Thai.

[Wimble]

Correct. I am wasting my breath.

Err, what exactly are you talking about?.

[MusicalToM]

I had to swap myself between Don Mueang & Suvarnabhumi Airports with 3 hrs time between flights.

Booked a Grab cab, the driver couldn't speak English properly and couldn't find the gate I was at. Wasted almost 30 minutes and went to the public taxi service counter, had to wait 15 minutes before I could get a taxi. Upon boarding requested the taxi driver to drive at the highest speed he could and take me to the airport on time, I was ok paying a bit more if he wanted. A nice fella who did his best and I reached Suvarnabhumi on time. It was scary for me, I'd like to advise if it helps someone:

1 - Try to bring all your baggage into cabin if you can.

2 - Don't use grab to book a taxi, you never know the driver is actually coming to where you are after waiting for 10 minutes. Sometimes cancelling a grab booking will ask you to pay a penalty.

3 - The free shuttle between airports take between 1 and half - 2 Hrs so it's a risk unless you have 4+ hours between flights.

4 - Quickly go take a coupon for public taxi, while waiting your number to be called you can buy food / drinks. Ask the taxi driver to take the express way.

5 - Most taxi drivers give you 2 options, I. Go with meter and pay the toll charges for the express way or II. Settle a fixed amount (around 700 baht) and everything is taken care by the driver. Choose the later option since with earlier option taxi drivers tend to go slow / wait so that meter adds wait time money.

Missing a flight is the last thing you would expect while travelling, be careful!

[Amnesia]

Amnesia, IMHO, forget about it. (...) You are not alone. (...) Best of luck on your crusade for a new business model. Follow your ideas. Sent me an invite to show off your successful establishment.

Err, what exactly are you talking about? I was merely pointing out that:

1) The claim that a bar isn't making any money from a customer drinking only one water is not correct. You can calculate that yourself.

2) For the typical agogo it would be a bad business decision to not serve this customer segment. Both customer segments complement on another; there is no cannibalization by serving it. Not serving it would just mean leaving money lining on the street.

You can still pay whatever you want to in hopes for some goodies, and the bars can do whatever they want to, too. I really couldn't care less. We are discussing here for the sake of entertainment, not because we are having any stakes in that issue.

[Franciscass]

There is no discernible business argument for not allowing a customer to spend as little as he wants or to stay as long he wants unless (a) he is abusing the situation to feel up the girls (b) the bar is full and he is keeping out punters more interested in doing what the bar is primarily there for, customers buying lady drinks and bar fining. That said if I was a gogo owner and Cheap Charlie was there every night enjoying the show sucking ad infinitum on his glass of soda water I would probably say thanks Charlie but don't come back.

[Wimble]

Amnesia, IMHO, forget about it. There is an old saying, Money talks and BS walks. A group with a reputation of having and spending money will mostly get better service than another group that has an opposite reputation. In my younger days, getting into the IN club or restaurant was a status symbol. A maître the' or door man can make or break a place. There are certain restaurants, clubs, and hotels that I know I can always get in. Part of it is I have built up connections and the people that know me, want my business.

I might get comped drinks, room, treats and such but I know that I have already, in someways, paid several times over for the little tokens.

You are not alone. Many local guys tell me that they cannot get into certain places in their own country because the establishments are geared towards maximizing profit. Usually from foreigners and for the select few locals. Sometimes royalty. It is getting better in Asia. But, it is still around. Try going to one of the clubs / hotel / restaurant with live entertainment in your country without paying a cover or just getting a bottled water. Try one of the Aman. Just sit in the restaurant and get a bottled water.

Best of luck on your crusade for a new business model. Follow your ideas. Sent me an invite to show off your successful establishment.

[TakingChances]

Let's see. Maybe because it's illegal as hell in the USA? And every time that hooked up with a hooker in the States, I would have to worry about a pimp and LE knocking on the door? I've mongered in the USA plenty, and it's scary. There are stings and prostitution busts everywhere. A high end escort with the body and looks that I prefer, in the USA is about $250-500 for maybe 1-2 hours and there is absolutely no game playing or chase to it. It's too easy to fuck them. And I have way too much time on my hand because I have nothing else to do. I like the games the top end Thai go go bar girls play with customers. I like the chase they provide me. Honestly, it's fun for me to play back with them.

This is a full list to where I've payed and played with countless of hundreds and hundreds of girls from escorts, brothels, karaoke bars, massage shops, red light districts, strippers, and sex clubs in my entire life: USA, Mexico, Philippines, Hong Kong, China, Russia, Indonesia, Germany, Belgium, UK, Holland, Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Switzerland, Spain, Italy, Czech Rep, Austria, Hungary, South Korea, UAE, Qatar, and Ukraine..

Very well said. I am going to Vietnam but considering making a stopover in Bk after reading your post. The adventure around the mongering can be more exciting than the sex acts themselves! Would you be up for a drink around next Friday or Saturday?

[Wimble]

I wonder what housekeeping says. They do gossip and keep logs (not the wooden types)

When she left she saw the bed restraints.

[EihTooms]

Why do you think companies like Agoda, eatigo, or Groupon exist? Why do all those hotels and restaurants accept customers paying a fraction of the actual price? Why accept those Cheap Charlies rather than the big spenders?

So no, it's not bullshit. In fact you yourself are providing arguments that are supporting my statement: fixed costs.

1) User Smoothy says the bar is not making any money with a customer who's only drinking a water. That's wrong, and everyone who has basic math skills knows that. A water costs the bar maybe 5 Baht. They sell it for 120 Baht. Other than the cost of purchase, there are no variable cost I cause the bar. Maybe I use the restroom, so deduct 20 Baht for water and soap. That still leaves you a gross profit of 95 Baht, and a nice gross margin of almost 80%. The bar IS making money from me.

2) It's better to have an additional 95 Baht than an additional 0 Baht. It's not like there is a long line of high-spending customers waiting and I am taking their seat. All those bars always have excess capacity, even during peak hours and peak season. Leaving a seat empty rather than earning 95 THB with it would be nonsense. In fact, it's not only the 95 Baht additional profit you make. The more customers are inside, the more fun does the bar look like, so the more likely it will attract additional customers.

3) If the bar is not profitable, then it has to find ways to reduce its (fixed) costs and / or increase its revenues. Getting rid of small-ticket customers would be nonsense; you would not get more profitable but less. One way could be to turn low-spenders into more-spenders. You won't achieve that by trying to push them out of the bar. But if the girls are hot and nice, I am not constantly being pestered to buy every Tom, Dick and Harry a ladydrink, and the barfines and girl rates are reasonable, I am glad to stay and have many beers. Otherwise I will leave after having one water.

4) If all that does not work, maybe the whole market needs to consolidate (E. G. , taking out excess capacity from the market by merging bars), or the whole business model is not feasible.

If a go-go bar's primary business is to sell drinks then I get that they are annoyed that I am not buying another drink every 20 minutes. But not nearly as annoyed as I am that they enticed me into that bar on the (false) premise that those girls were there to be shopped as potential barfines for sex and not just to hustle me for lady drinks. So it could not concern me less that the staff, the girls, the owner or the Mayor of Bangkok himself is miffed by my milking one drink until I determine if that is the gimmick here or not.

By the same token, if the primary business of a go-go bar is to entice me to meet and pay barfines for sex with their girls then they are just going to have to wait until I see something interesting enough to me for that purpose in their line up before I start buying lady drinks and racking up significant numbers of drinks for myself. But that means I might need to sit through two 20 minute dance sets and even give it another 20-30 minutes after that on the chance that the only 2-3 girls in their employ who might cause me to open my wallet more often could return from an earlier barfine by then.

In such a case, I am doing my part by being fully prepared to go along with their business model. But if during that wait and see time I don't see a reason in their line up to add to the bar's drink income every 20 minutes then they are the ones not doing their part in the deal, not me.

Meanwhile, I have sat in packed go-go bars for more than an hour with only one club soda purchase to show for it many times and I have never been told to buy another drink or leave. And I have never felt shunned by girls in those bars either.

[GCNovice]

I believe 84 is one I also found to be hot, but not yet BFed. She was a little bit of a show off I think, knowing how hot she was. There is no need to buy drinks for mamasan, especially that fat one, it only encourages her to hang around. I personally make it clear to girls that she should use a different mamasan. There should be more than one. One was a gay boy one time I was there, rather loud but still preferred. I forget how many in total. I don't want to have anything to do with the fat mamasan but doesn't mean I have to stay away.

I don't believe I ever saw #84, #39 is the only that, actually, dance beyond the stomach movement and occasional hip swing. It's kind of hard to ignore mamasan when they roam the area I get seated at, even when I move. I don't buy them drinks, only the girl that I'm interested in when I have to talk to them for more than a minute and gauge if they would accept my counter offer.

[MonkeyPaw]

I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.

Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.

It's nice that members are sharing some dancers' numbers on this thread. It makes things so much easier. If I am familiar with another member's taste, I can plan to go into a go go bar in search of a specific number. No wasted drinks at bars not worthy of entry. My last night in BKK, Thursday, I started out at Nana in Rainbow 5 (next to Twisters). It was around 9:00, and there were a lot of girls, but nothing new that stood out. I went there looking for #11, a slim short haired girl with implants that I had seen before, but she wasn't there. However I did see some previous talent still working there that I've been with and had a decent to good experience with. If anybody has similar tastes to mine, those numbers are 053,37, 125,116, 61,184, 158, and 83. Treat them nicely with 2 drinks and they should be okay to go. Rainbow 5 is not pushy with drinks like most bars. Girls are there to fuck and make their money, so it's more like a brothel. All the girls I listed provided BBBJ with their sessions with me, no rushing, DFK, DATY and a couple of them was able to do CIM. And this was all on the first barfine date, not a repeat session. Usually for this I pay 3000 for ST plus 200 tip and taxi back, but for in my own hotel room and never upstairs. I only ever have used those short time rooms, maybe twice ever when there was a downpour in rain. Not having seen #11, and with an early flight out to Hong Kong, I decided to make my exit out of Nana.

Next I took a taxi to Soi Cowboy and stepped into Baccara around 9:45. Downstairs seating was full of customers, so I went to find a seat upstairs. Not more than 30 seconds after I took a seat on a sofa in front of the dance floor, #83 came to say "Hi. " Her name is Mai and we had sat together before a couple of days ago. She's a cute girl with short hair and braces, about 5'3 105 lbs and a pair of big man made boobs. By the way there is another girl #11, who works there. If anyone has seen her dance, can we agree that her boobs are way just too big for her small frame? She's a bit cute and slim, but with a size 600 breast implants on a 95 lbs body, they look rather silly to me. I just don't want to be the only guy with that opinion. I told #83 about it, but she thought they looked perfectly fine. I beg to differ.

Anyways, #83 and I had previous introductions with the mamasan upstairs when we all sat a drank together 2 days ago. Back then, she told me that she had seen me for the past 6 months, but was scared to approach me. That's a pretty funny feeling I get because it's true. When I walk into most bars including Baccara, not one girl even smiles at me. But when I call them over for a drink, they are always so happy and giggly. Another dancer upstairs who used to work Baccara Pattaya also came over to join us. We already knew each other before in Pattaya. If you are a frequent customer to both venues, you will know who she is. The girl who used to work Pattaya is probably one of the better looking dancer now upstairs at Baccara Soi Cowboy. Anyways I've already been with her in Pattaya, so I wanted something different. Unfortunately that night when sitting with #83, she accidentally mentioned that she just got her braces tightened that day. And when she asked me if I wanted to take her, I remembered and told her "then your mouth cannot blow job. " She giggled and said she didn't do that (BJ). I responded, "then I can't barfine you. " I told her I would wait until a few days until her mouth healed and then I would ONLY if she agreed to blow me. She giggled again and nod her head and said "okay. ".

So tonight was that night. After about 5 drinks for her and 1 for the waitress, I barfined her ST. I wanted to stay and enjoy the show a bit, so hence the drinks. She wanted to do LT and told me can stay until after lunch for 5000, but I wasn't interested, I had a flight to catch was my excuse. Even if I didn't have a flight to catch, I enjoy and like sleeping alone so it's still a no go for LT for me. I just wanted to clarify something I read in an earlier post by another member who took #23. Baccara barfine rate for ALL dancers and hostesses (wearing black dresses) is the same for upstairs and downstairs no matter if it is 7:30 pm or 2 am. Girls who work part time can come and go as they please, and owe the club a fee of 2 drinks per night before they can leave out with a customer. But those are usually the hotter girls that have all this freedom, not anyone left after 12:30 am. If it's that late, usually the quality is not there, but you can possibly negotiate a cheaper price for the girls left remaining.

So what I liked about #83 was she was a multiple cummer. And with each time, she became more wet and wet. She stayed 2 hours but we spent about 30 minutes just chatting before taking a bath where she performed a sloppy BBBJ. She is a screamer (Japanese style), though I told her I'm not Japanese, so she can stop pretending. Apparently her moans are real because she didn't. She can go at it for a long time and I think she truly enjoys sex with the right customer. After about 4 orgasms (her), I began to get tired and she was able to finish me with her mouth. She was able to sense I was about to cum and she jerked it off in the final few seconds. Dang! I should have played possum. Anyways, I paid 3000 plus 500 tip for her. When she left she saw the bed restraints. She only grinned, so perhaps she is willing next time. Throughout our conversation at the club and through some of her actions, I can tell this girl is a big game player. Meaning she will hustle the crap out of a customer that can't pick up on her cues (like kept asking me about my metal credit card) and you will get shitty service if any at all. So newbies be careful. For me she was fine with everything, but remember that whole "BJ" and braces thing in the beginning. That was a cue from her and you saw how I played back to get this better experience. I had to bring in the mamasan and the girl from Pattaya to help. So keep that in mind, though in the Land of a Million Smiles, maybe only 20% of them are genuine.

[Amnesia]

That is complete bullshit. I have to be on the Smoothy side. Rent for a bar is high in prime real estate. Many staff to be paid salaries.

Why do you think companies like Agoda, eatigo, or Groupon exist? Why do all those hotels and restaurants accept customers paying a fraction of the actual price? Why accept those Cheap Charlies rather than the big spenders?

So no, it's not bullshit. In fact you yourself are providing arguments that are supporting my statement: fixed costs.

1) User Smoothy says the bar is not making any money with a customer who's only drinking a water. That's wrong, and everyone who has basic math skills knows that. A water costs the bar maybe 5 Baht. They sell it for 120 Baht. Other than the cost of purchase, there are no variable cost I cause the bar. Maybe I use the restroom, so deduct 20 Baht for water and soap. That still leaves you a gross profit of 95 Baht, and a nice gross margin of almost 80%. The bar IS making money from me.

2) It's better to have an additional 95 Baht than an additional 0 Baht. It's not like there is a long line of high-spending customers waiting and I am taking their seat. All those bars always have excess capacity, even during peak hours and peak season. Leaving a seat empty rather than earning 95 THB with it would be nonsense. In fact, it's not only the 95 Baht additional profit you make. The more customers are inside, the more fun does the bar look like, so the more likely it will attract additional customers.

3) If the bar is not profitable, then it has to find ways to reduce its (fixed) costs and / or increase its revenues. Getting rid of small-ticket customers would be nonsense; you would not get more profitable but less. One way could be to turn low-spenders into more-spenders. You won't achieve that by trying to push them out of the bar. But if the girls are hot and nice, I am not constantly being pestered to buy every Tom, Dick and Harry a ladydrink, and the barfines and girl rates are reasonable, I am glad to stay and have many beers. Otherwise I will leave after having one water.

4) If all that does not work, maybe the whole market needs to consolidate (E. G. , taking out excess capacity from the market by merging bars), or the whole business model is not feasible.

[Gonzo88]

I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.

Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.

I was in there last night. I was actually talking to #39 and I wanted to grab her, but #84 from the other day was hovering around. In the end, I decided to do a repeat with #84 as she was a know commodity, but frankly, I wish I hadn't. She was on the rag, didn't tell me, and bled out all over my bed when I was banging her. Even aside from that, the novelty had sort of worn off, and I was not into the braces. Should have gone with #39. Doh!

[Goatscrot]

If the first pic girl works there, I see what you mean, she could obviously demand escort level prices, if her service is good. I never saw anyone quite that good there (some time ago). She may prefer not to work escort so that she can choose her customers, and not have to do exotic services. I would even forgive her sillies, as her nose looks okay And not fake probably.

I am in agreement that very special girls are worth more money than the average girls. No different to paying a huge amount for a pretty girl at The Lord (yes I know closed now). I don't get a cheap street girl because the quality is not there.

I'd say they are only worth it if they are performers as well. You are probably right; she works at a GoGo because she can provide less service than if she works as an escort. MP's report included a lot of things that he did to her, but not a lot of what she did to him. My guess is this gal sees herself above performing many services, which is why I would not be interested at any price. Now, if she were to perform like a Tulip or SW gal, I'd certainly be willing to pay the big bucks.