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[Sirioja]

This is just putting down the RTC clubs for no good reason. The last time I was there, the top 2 or 3 at Venus was equivalent to an above average girl at Sharks in terms of face.

At Venus I don't know, or at very small Villa Venus?

[Sirioja]

For Bernds I agree, for Venus: I ment Saunaclub Venus in Hamminkeln (small but excellent lineup!) NOT Villa Venus, the RTC / AO joint in Duisburg!

Sorry for my mistake, never heard before about FKK Venus. Where is Hamminkeln?

[Member #4581]

What they say here on tipping is not true. Tipping in Germany is being done by perhaps a third. It is not as widespread as in USA, and the amount is lower. But if you feel service was excellent, an extra 5 doesn't hurt. It also supports honest girls who does their best in competition with the mediocre ones who don't care. And won't get a tip. But don't give 20's.



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While I love my home country, tipping is definitely an area where I think the practice in the US is degenerative.

First, the employers in some industries don't pay the true market rate to their employees. Then somehow it evolved into "you should tip because that's how they get paid, you cheapo". Then popular culture latches onto this idea - stand up comics, movies, TV shows, you name it. If you are a bad tipper (meaning at least 18% to 20%) you are worse than a porn addict, a prostitute or a ped0phile. In today's sensitive culture, it might be taboo to make fun of disabled people, fat people, cross dressing people, uneducated people, what have you — but it is never verboten to ridicule a bad tipper.

So, these days most people tip because of fear of being ridiculed. I saw a study which said almost hundred percent of people tip more when they are with someone than when they eat alone, and tip more in places where they are likely to be known faces.

All of this means the true cost of employment was passed onto the customer in an indirect manner. Price is optically lower, employer pays employee less, but customer has to make up employeee salary, and the true price paid by customer is more than stated on the rate card.

When tipping is mandatory and has to be given regardless of service level and customer happiness about service, tipping has lost its meaning.

[Pistons]

Clubs like Oceans, Acapulco and even Samya has a younger average age than Oase has at times. Or they are about at the same level age wise. YY and DV has about the same age at Oase too. Maybe plus one year.

While some of the mentioned 'service clubs' in NRW has a higher average age. Plus GT which is neighter service nor young optics.

[Optimist]

Pistons. I agree that the optics are as good overall between NRW and Hessen. I do not want to re-ignite the sterile debate about NRW Vs Hessen.

I think you missed the preface to my comments, saying that given Krosshair's requirements, particularly interested in the younger age range, the large Hessen clubs would give him more options. As you say yourself, GT has an average age much older than Hessen clubs: doesn't mean the optics aren't as good, it just depends on one's criteria. I have found some of the most beautiful women I have seen to be in GT. but they were older than Krosshair is aiming for.

You make my point for me when you say in NRW the lineups are generally smaller and the top optics need a little more finding. This is exactly what I said. If one is after girls in their 20s with good optics, there is more chance of finding them in a single Hessen club than in a single one of the (usually) smaller NRW clubs with slightly older girls.

I am not sure why you think we disagree. It seems to me we are saying exactly the same thing. Which would be nice

Given the clubs I frequent, actually the optics are better in NRW lol. But that is irrelevant to Krosshair's request

[Maxime]

Venus and Bernds are clubs for AO with ugly girls.

For Bernds I agree, for Venus: I ment Saunaclub Venus in Hamminkeln (small but excellent lineup!) NOT Villa Venus, the RTC / AO joint in Duisburg!

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[HeyyyyyyPaul]

Venus and Bernds are clubs for AO with ugly girls.

This is just putting down the RTC clubs for no good reason. The last time I was there, the top 2 or 3 at Venus was equivalent to an above average girl at Sharks in terms of face.

[Pistons]

What they say here on tipping is not true. Tipping in Germany is being done by perhaps a third. It is not as widespread as in USA, and the amount is lower. But if you feel service was excellent, an extra 5 doesn't hurt. It also supports honest girls who does their best in competition with the mediocre ones who don't care. And won't get a tip. But don't give 20's.

I also don't agree with Optimist on the optics side between Hessen and NRW. You can find just as many hot optics girls at the NRW clubs as in Hessen. But maybe not in the clubs Optimist visits. And they are a bit more spread out between the larger number of clubs. And lineups are in general smaller.

[Optimist]

KrossHair. The information from other posters has been excellent.

As for specific lineups and good optics, you will have to take your chances as it depends on day of week, time of day, your taste, and so on. Given your preference for good optics you might be best off sticking to the main Hesse clubs as they have largest lineup, plus maybe Samya or Mondial in the Koln area. If you are willing to take a chance on the lineup I would suggest Finca as you could call in on the way between Hesse and NRW. Babylon is slightly more of a risk lineup wise and is more of a detour. Bernds is unlikely to suit you, GT (and even Living Room) have a higher average age as Pistons says.

Maxime makes the excellent point that the less touristy clubs offer a higher possibility of better service. I personally always prefer this option. It does however require a bit more risk on optics as lineups tend to be smaller.

I would also suggest you read Kosher Kowboy's excellent report in the Mainhatten thread on how to get the best out of a club. Basically, establish yourself as an experienced practitioner, take your time, find a decent girl and repeat,. This approach works best if you severely restrict the number of clubs you visit, maybe to just a couple.

If you are interested in optics remember that most NRW (north of Babylon a nd Finca) clubs are not naked, but sauna clubs.

Everybody will have different views of what suits them.

Tipping: really not appropriate in Germany generally. Tipping girls just indicates you are a soft option and have more money, as Polyamorist says. Having said that I do make a gift of money several times a year, but only where a girl gives me superb service, "free" time, and I know her well.

Have a good trip

[Sirioja]

Hi,

I'll have a long weekend in Dsseldorf, I am a young guy, don't mind spending full days chilling, and I'm more into exotic (Latin and African) ladies.

I've already done sharks and living room and had a good time at both.

What do you guys think of the following itinerary?

Thursday: Acapulco..

My advice: best casting days at Bab Elsdorf are Thursday and Friday.

Best casting day at GT Bruggen is Friday.

Saturday is good for Samya after 6 pm, or Aca.

Oase casting is average for me.

For black girls, few at Bab and used to have some at PHG.

[Chongmal]

You can forget African or Latin ladies at Acapulco. There may be one Asian in the club.

My last visit to Aca I saw two larger African ladies and a couple older ladies who speak Spanish with each other. I'm sure you can ask many of the younger ladies if they are Italian or Spanish and you will find some who say yes. Some have even taken a vow to never speak Romanian in a club again and moved to a new club so they can continue the Italian Job.

[Pistons]

Thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate it.

Point taken no tips given on my trip.

Will put Babylon and Samya on my list.

As for the others places you guys mentioned went thru the forums and couldn't find any recent posts about them. So I guess like you mentioned these must be non-touristy places and so not much feedback.

How is the LU at these places?

My type would be slim and in the 20's with good optics.

Considering my type which FKKs would you guys recommend where a good majority of the girls fit the above criteria.

Thanks.

This forum has just a few recurrent posters. Don't think for a second it is a good indicator. Apart from sharks / Oase at least.

And as for your question regarding girls: most clubs. At least those mentioned here. But lesser optics perhaps in the higher service clubs in general. Like Siri mentions. But it is not a rule without exceptions thankfully.

[KrossHair]

Thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate it.

As to tipping in Germany others can chime in, I just respectfully hope you cut that out here. They are not servers or bartenders, they are hookers who already ask too much.

Point taken no tips given on my trip.

Then go to more intimate clubs like Sakura, Finca Erotica and / or Living Room (and see the service and attitude of the girls increase). And finally visit a few of the smaller service clubs like Babylon, Saunaclub Venus, Bernds and / or Luder Lounge, and you have a complete picture of the landscape and are better prepared for next time.

GoldenTime is not a place for me. But I guess it depends on what type of girls you like. It has the oldest average age on girls out of all the German FKK's I've been to. And girls are in average taller than anywhere else also.

If you have a few days in addition to the bigger clubs, and don't want to go to the great two clubs samya / yy which is semi big, and clubs that fall in between, do as the poster below says and check out some service oriented clubs like babylon / sixsense / finca erotica (no idea about venus or bernds).

Will put Babylon and Samya on my list.

As for the others places you guys mentioned went thru the forums and couldn't find any recent posts about them. So I guess like you mentioned these must be non-touristy places and so not much feedback.

How is the LU at these places?

My type would be slim and in the 20's with good optics.

Considering my type which FKKs would you guys recommend where a good majority of the girls fit the above criteria.

Thanks.

[Polyamorist]

I totally agree with my friend from Texas, I don't want to tip someone who makes more money than me. Sometimes I bring them little gifts but never a tip.

Salaam, Sayyid Buddy. True. A gift is more personal. A girl will remember you better if you leave a 5 E gift than a 20 E tip. A guy who tips is not buying love, he is just driving up prices.

It is the same in travelling through poor countries where tipping is non-standard. If you leave a big tip, they don't necessarily feel gratitude, they may even feel envy. "If that is what the gringo can afford to pay, well, the next gringo will pay the same!