Pattaya Reports

[Montecristo]

And what would be the price for Caucasians?

On July 28, the bars were still closed until midnight. So, it was a good time to go to one of the soapies. I chose Honey 2 in Second Road, near Soi 2.

When I arrived around 8:30 PM, the place was packed, and a lot of Indians were there. It looked like they had dumped a number of package tour buses here and the tour included a soapie visit.

In the fishbowl, there were a few nice ones. However, when I entered the place, there was a window just left of the entrance, with the VIP girls. One of them was on my radar, and she had a nice smile. Her number is V2, she has a pretty face, very good body and perfect be-cup boops.

When I asked one of the staff, he told me that 1. 5 hours would be 3'800 baht. I found it a bit steep. However, after searching the other girls, I ended up looking at V2. So, I asked another staff, and she told me 3'200 baht. I found this very interesting and finally decided for V2. I gave 100 baht to the second staff, paid 3'200 baht at the counter, and went with V2 to the room.

I don't want to spend too much time describing the procedure here, since this has been done many times. Just so much:

- Very nice service by a very pretty and humorous girl.

- Quite reasonable English skills.

- Open minded, talkative and good experience.

- She pushed a bit too much with the time, though. Probably, management told them to finish earlier than 1. 5 hours due to the masses of customers waiting. This was the only negative aspect.

During our session, V2 told me a bit about the prices, which I found worthwhile to post here. I assume that Honey 2 is not the only place where they have similar practices.

Prices for VIP girls at Honey 2.

- For Thai men = 3'200 baht.

- For Indian men = 3'800 baht.

- For Chinese men = 4'200 baht.

I don't comment on this, and I am not racist at all. But I find it very interesting. It means that we really have to be careful not to pay exaggerated prices. The good news for me was that I did not pay more than any Thai would pay. V2 confirmed this.

Wonderer. Wish you happy soapie!

[Paolo99]

This happened to me once in a 7-11 when the cashier rang up 100 baht on the till, after I handed over a 1000 baht note. I saw the 100 baht rung up, and then immediately said no, 1000 baht, not 100 baht, so she had to cancel the scam. Of course this scam only works when you are buying products that cost less than 100 baht.

Yes I've seen a lot of complain about that scam in the 7-11 in Thailand on the internet.

That's why I'm always very careful to what they do or say when I give them the 1000 baht bill as it is always these places that I use to make smaller bills.

That is exactly the reason why, at most 7-11 the cashier says the amount that you give her loudly (though they say it in Thai, not in English), they have probably been trained by their managers to do so to avoid that scam.

[Nyezhov]

Wonderer,

One further thing you could do is to photograph all 1000 baht notes that you take out with you for the night. So you actually have a record of having that particular note in your possession with that serial number. If the gogo cashier is not in on the scam as well then you may be able to identify your note.

But the usual scam in Thailand is when you buy products in a market or a shop that costs less than 100 baht and you hand over a 1000 baht note. The vendor then claims that you gave them 100 baht. Then doubt is placed in your mind as to how much you actually gave them. Like Mr E's post where he couldn't remember what denomination notes he handed over. This happened to me once in a 7-11 when the cashier rang up 100 baht on the till, after I handed over a 1000 baht note. I saw the 100 baht rung up, and then immediately said no, 1000 baht, not 100 baht, so she had to cancel the scam. Of course this scam only works when you are buying products that cost less than 100 baht.

1000 baht is a lot of money in Thailand. It's 3 days wages for most Thais. Hence the incentive to cheat naive foreigners.

I try not to use 1000 Baht notes at all, unless it's for an over 500 Baht bill.

Anywhere.

[Franga]

Wonderer,

One further thing you could do is to photograph all 1000 baht notes that you take out with you for the night. So you actually have a record of having that particular note in your possession with that serial number. If the gogo cashier is not in on the scam as well then you may be able to identify your note.

But the usual scam in Thailand is when you buy products in a market or a shop that costs less than 100 baht and you hand over a 1000 baht note. The vendor then claims that you gave them 100 baht. Then doubt is placed in your mind as to how much you actually gave them. Like Mr E's post where he couldn't remember what denomination notes he handed over. This happened to me once in a 7-11 when the cashier rang up 100 baht on the till, after I handed over a 1000 baht note. I saw the 100 baht rung up, and then immediately said no, 1000 baht, not 100 baht, so she had to cancel the scam. Of course this scam only works when you are buying products that cost less than 100 baht.

1000 baht is a lot of money in Thailand. It's 3 days wages for most Thais. Hence the incentive to cheat naive foreigners.

[Mr Enternational]

P.S. The police told me that this was the first time they got aware of a scam in the Shark bar, though it was a pretty obvious case.

Damn man. And I thought I was hard. You went to get the police over 500 baht? You must have way more time than you have money to waste a couple of hours like that. Especially since it was not such an obvious case. Like they said it was your word against theirs.

A couple of months ago. I went to a beach restaurant in Pratumnak. The bill was like 1200 baht. The waitress brought me back 300 baht change. I said wait, I gave you 2000. She said I gave her 1500. I argued about it a bit before I left. On may way home I began to think that I really did give her 1500 and felt like a jack a $$ for arguing.

Like you said, the best way to prevent this is to say the amount that you are handing them, which I am used to doing. A lot of times when you pay at the register I notice the cashier will leave the money on top until after they give you change. I suppose this is to prevent incidents like the one that happened to you.

[Wonderer]

On July 28, the bars were still closed until midnight. So, it was a good time to go to one of the soapies. I chose Honey 2 in Second Road, near Soi 2.

When I arrived around 8:30 PM, the place was packed, and a lot of Indians were there. It looked like they had dumped a number of package tour buses here and the tour included a soapie visit.

In the fishbowl, there were a few nice ones. However, when I entered the place, there was a window just left of the entrance, with the VIP girls. One of them was on my radar, and she had a nice smile. Her number is V2, she has a pretty face, very good body and perfect be-cup boops.

When I asked one of the staff, he told me that 1. 5 hours would be 3'800 baht. I found it a bit steep. However, after searching the other girls, I ended up looking at V2. So, I asked another staff, and she told me 3'200 baht. I found this very interesting and finally decided for V2. I gave 100 baht to the second staff, paid 3'200 baht at the counter, and went with V2 to the room.

I don't want to spend too much time describing the procedure here, since this has been done many times. Just so much:

- Very nice service by a very pretty and humorous girl.

- Quite reasonable English skills.

- Open minded, talkative and good experience.

- She pushed a bit too much with the time, though. Probably, management told them to finish earlier than 1. 5 hours due to the masses of customers waiting. This was the only negative aspect.

During our session, V2 told me a bit about the prices, which I found worthwhile to post here. I assume that Honey 2 is not the only place where they have similar practices.

Prices for VIP girls at Honey 2.

- For Thai men = 3'200 baht.

- For Indian men = 3'800 baht.

- For Chinese men = 4'200 baht.

I don't comment on this, and I am not racist at all. But I find it very interesting. It means that we really have to be careful not to pay exaggerated prices. The good news for me was that I did not pay more than any Thai would pay. V2 confirmed this.

Wonderer. Wish you happy soapie!

[Wonderer]

I stayed a few days in Pattaya recently and enjoyed visiting some gogo bars. When I barfined a few of the gogo girls, I normally had pretty good experiences. For now however, I would like to report a scam case and warn my fellow mongers not to fall victim to this cheating as well.

On July 26,2018 (I. E. The day before Asalha Bucha. Buddhist celebration in Thailand), I visited the Shark Bar in Walking Street Soi 15 (same Soi as the previous Angel Witch). It seems that the Shark bar is now in the premises of the previous "Beach Club".

I ordered a draft beer, and shortly thereafter, two girls joined me. They were quite ok, and I enjoyed their party. So, I ordered two Lady Drinks, one for each of them. About half an hour later. It was around 23:15 h. I decided to leave and thought there is enough time to hit another bar, before they close. Due to the Buddhist Holiday, closing hour on July 26 was 12 AM / midnight.

I paid the three drinks (90 + 155 + 155 = 400 THB) and handed a 1'000 THB note to the waitress. Since I needed some smaller change, I did not give her any of the two 500 THB notes in my wallet. When the waitress came back with the change, I noticed that it was only 100 THB. I complained and reminded her that I gave 1'000 THB, therefore the change should be 600 THB. She insisted, however, that I gave her a 500 THB note only.

I was and still am absolutely 100% sure I gave her 1'000 THB. As a matter of fact, the Shark bar was the first place I visited that night, after leaving my hotel room. I had no expenses between leaving the room and entering the Shark bar. And, before leaving my room, I had counted all my money in the wallet and knew exactly how many notes of what denomination were in my wallet. So, for me it was easy to find out that, indeed, I gave her a 1'000 THB note, since one of them was missing in my wallet, but no 500 baht note was missing. Nevertheless, she stubbornly insisted that I gave her a 500 THB note. Even the two gogo girs (still sitting with me) confirmed that I gave 1'000 THB to the waitress. So, I called the manager (a lady). She was visibly pissed off and little motivated to help sorting this out. She told me to come back on July 28, after the Buddha holidays. By then, they would have counted the income from that evening and could figure out whether there was any 500 THB too much in their hands. Knowing the mess they have with the money in these bars, I already knew that coming back was no option at all, and I requested that the money be counted immediately. Finally, the manager instructed the staff to count the money right away. Still, I would have been extremely surprised, had they found "too much money" in their pockets.

I repeatedly told the manager, as well as the waitress that I had counted all the notes in my wallet and that there was absolutely no doubt at all that I had given a 1'000 THB note. I knew, I was wasting my time. But for me, it was now not really about the money anymore. I was just very disappointed to fall victim to such a simple and stupid scam. Actually, during my 20+ years of coming to Pattaya, I visited countless bars in Pattaya, but this was the first time to be cheated so bluntly.

Meanwhile, one full hour after my payment had elapsed. The bar was already closed, and the staff was still counting the money. Or at least, they pretended doing so. The manager now told me that also the two gogo girls sitting with me before, had confirmed that I handed only 500 THB to the waitress. Ok, the case became clearer: it was obviously an intentional scam, and the bar had instructed the girls to lie. There was no progress at all, and I had already threatened the manager that I would call the police if there is no progress. Now, it was time for calling the men in brown.

I left the bar and went to the police officers posted at the beginning of Walking Street. There are always some "Tourist Police" officers and some Thai Police officers. Finally, I could convince them to accompany me to the bar: one Tourist Policeman, two Thai Policeman, and one (female) Police Assistant. Back in the bar, the staff seemed to still count the money. The manager was obviously pretty frustrated that I came back with the police. However, she told them that they "had not found any excess cash of 500 THB". Hence, it was. As expected. Word against word. Meanwhile, the assistant took a few pictures with her smartphone. But even the policemen could not motivate the bar manager to agree to a reasonable solution. I guess that everybody already knew clearly that the bar team cheated. But the bar was probably afraid that by offering a solution, they would admit the scam. Hence, they insisted on their version.

Not very encouraging. But I learnt a few things. The police told me that these gogo bars are equipped with CCTV systems that supervise all the action. In case of a dispute (and possibly for other reasons as well), the CCTV recordings can be used as proof. Good to know! Therefore, the policemen recommended me to formally report the next day to the official police station in Beach Road. The police there would have the power to request the bar to open the CCTV and to review the recording. Then it would become visible what kind of banknote I handed to the waitress. Well, the recommendation was good, and I would have done all this, for the sake of punishing scammers. But the time for my departure was approaching, and due to the Buddhist Holidays as well as the King's birthday, I had no chance to see this CCTV recording before my departure. Hence, there was no chance either to see the bar team losing face and to get my money back. As frustrating it was, I had to give up.

The lessons for me (and perhaps for some fellow mongers as well) are as follows:

- If ever I can, I shall pay with the smallest possible banknote (recommendation by the police).

- Whenever giving a banknote to the waitress, I shall tell her the denomination, e. G. "I give you one thousand baht" and make sure she realizes what I am saying. Best would actually be asking her to repeat the amount.

- And, of course, always to check the change and to complain if it is not correct.

- If there is any scam, always report to the police. If there is a bar that regularly cheats, this will damage its reputation and increase the chances to nail them down.

Obviously, I will not visit the Shark bar anymore, whenever I come back to Pattaya.

If you, fellow mongers want to do a favor to me and to you as well, please avoid visiting the Shark bar in future! And, should you still go there, I strongly recommend to follow the above procedure. Such advice is also useful in general for any other bar, I guess.

I am afraid that this is all what I (or we) can do in this case. At least, I wanted you to be warned about the scam practices in the Shark bar in Pattaya (and possibly in other bars as well).

Wonderer. Who is now richer by one more experience.

P.S. The police told me that this was the first time they got aware of a scam in the Shark bar, though it was a pretty obvious case. They told me, on the other hand, that they hear a lot of cheating cases (with much bigger amounts!) from the Russian-owned bars, I. E. Those with "European Girls'. So, be warned there as well.

[Franga]

How is it priced based when all the girls hold up their little pinky to describe their last Asian customer?

A massage girl I saw held up her thumb to describe the size of an Indian's member.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks for your post BB. I give it an A for effort even though it is a somewhat discouraging report. HA HA! Skyfall, Glass House. Tantra, and Billabong are some of the new to me bars that I plan to hit along with some other old favorites like Sensations (have to go and look / see no matter what) What's Up, Sapphire, Infinity, Palace, Happy, yada yada. Anyway I am getting stoked. Looking forward to the big trip. Thank Buddha for Ambien and Vodka to get me through the long flight in extended leg room coach.

P.S. I could have told you and saved you the trouble of going to CH Pat, that the CH pics WERE NOT CH Cowboy. CH Cowboy has no wet area. I practically lived at CH Cowboy last year (and Twisters too). In fact, CH Cowboy have a couple of seats along the north wall reserved in my name. But despite that and the homecoming I expect to receive there, the 1st bars I am hitting after I arrive in the big Mango are Kings Castle 1 & 2. To that end I am going to spend my 1st week in LOS on that side of town. It should be fun.

Thanks Natty. It is not a detailed report by any means I just quickly wrote a few lines to change the topic off the dick size topic which was sure to escalate.

Only visited CH Pattaya to clarify the stage and tub issue that has been ongoing.

For an infrequent visitor Sensations, Palace, Baccara, Happy will all be ok. You're going to be disappointed at Infinity and What's Up as both have gone way downhill. If you want to try some lesser known bars try Tantra, Bypass, Shark, and maybe even Lighthouse for the odd gem time to time. If you like them petite and young try Nui 2 aka Runway. Skip Glass House there are girls but nothing good, unless you just want to walk a few steps between Glass House, Ginza, and Nui 2.

Be warned KC1 is not nearly as good now as a year ago and every other Patpong gogo bar was very dead. Thaniya Road is very busy though but we all know the issues there.

Billabong and Thirsty Camel are not gogo bars. They are beer bars in LK Metro. Billabong quality is like ibar so don't expect much.

Caveat. I take no responsibility in a bar being bad when you go. Timing and luck play a big factor in whether a Pattaya gogo bar is rocking on a particular night.

[Allover]

the 1st bars I am hitting after I arrive in the big Mango are Kings Castle 1 & 2. To that end I am going to spend my 1st week in LOS on that side of town. It should be fun.

Kings Castle was very good last week. I think it is worth a visit. I would also like to thank BB for reporting about it several weeks ago. I thought it had one of the best lineups of all the Go-Go's I visited in either Bangkok or Pattaya. A very pleasant surprise.

[Member #4698]

How about posting some actual reviews instead?

<snip> THE GOOD <snip>
Skyfall,
Glass House,
Tantra,
Billabong.

<snip> THE BAD & Worse <snip>
Bliss.
Shark.
Super girl.
Misty's.
Panda.
Dolls lk.
Thirsty Camel.
Bachelor.
Office.
Touch.
Wildcats.
Sensations. Just so disappointing these days. Still tons of girls but not many new ones. Many girls have the same issue as skyfall girls suffering the effects of drinking too much.

Thanks for your post BB. I give it an A for effort even though it is a somewhat discouraging report. HA HA! Skyfall, Glass House. Tantra, and Billabong are some of the new to me bars that I plan to hit along with some other old favorites like Sensations (have to go and look / see no matter what) What's Up, Sapphire, Infinity, Palace, Happy, yada yada. Anyway I am getting stoked. Looking forward to the big trip. Thank Buddha for Ambien and Vodka to get me through the long flight in extended leg room coach.

P.S. I could have told you and saved you the trouble of going to CH Pat, that the CH pics WERE NOT CH Cowboy. CH Cowboy has no wet area. I practically lived at CH Cowboy last year (and Twisters too). In fact, CH Cowboy have a couple of seats along the north wall reserved in my name. But despite that and the homecoming I expect to receive there, the 1st bars I am hitting after I arrive in the big Mango are Kings Castle 1 & 2. To that end I am going to spend my 1st week in LOS on that side of town. It should be fun.

[Blanquiceleste]

The general thinking and stereotype is a guy this big is lacking something upstairs the saying " A big house with all the lights on but no one is home ".

6'6" loaded with a big black dick.

Yeah. Poor guy did not even get the reference.

[LittleBigMan]

You're experienced enough to know that girl is pushing all your right buttons she thinks you want to hear ie. That you have a king Kong dick. I don't have an 11 inch dick and tons of Thai girls tell me my dick is huge. That's because they have been trained to do so. They say everything they believe their customer wants to hear.

If I truly believed everything a Thai girl says I'm the best looking guy in the world, I have a huge dick, I have the biggest heart, etc.

The general thinking and stereotype is a guy this big is lacking something upstairs the saying " A big house with all the lights on but no one is home ".

[FL Hawk]

Notwithstanding the quality and quantity of girls on Soi 6, do you guys find it's harder to get DFK, in the pants HJ, or BJ from a Soi 6 girl without going to a room. I remember 2 years ago it was a given but now you really have to either be lucky in your choice of girls or waste a lot of energy being charming.

For all tourists coming to Pattaya, please be more demanding of the Soi 6 girls even before you room with them. Luckily the G clubs are unaffected still and DFK, HJ, BJ still more likely than not for the price of a lady drink.

In my 3 years of going twice a year to Soi 6 I have never seen any type of BJ other than on me, upstairs, in a private room. Well, other than a BJ bar such as You Friend Me. I have had a very few girls, maybe one or two out of many dozens, who has "played" with my Johnson downstairs (again, other than a BJ bar), and only a few more have engaged in a DFK session. Part of that might be me. I am a reserved fella and I don't play with the women all that much either. I do admit that since I am almost the age of their grandfathers, I am a bit self conscious of how things look, though that is crazy as it is Pattaya, and who cares?! Sooo, on my next trip in November, I will take BB's advice and try to push things a bit more to see what I get. But that said, we need to tip the girls that provide these extras. It may be fun for us, but it can hardly be for them (unless possibly you are a young, handsome stud). By leaving a nice tip, you will make it better for the rest of us guys coming behind you!

[Banana Boi]

Enough with this dick talk guys. How about posting some actual reviews instead?

First I'm blaming Rob for wasting about 10 minutes of my life as I had to go to ch tonight to clarify the stage and tub argument. The photos MP posted are indeed ch pattaya. The blue tiled tub in the photo is still there. There is a cover on it that can be removed. There are 5 stages in the front part of the bar, 3 more stages in the rear part of the bar. There is technically a 9th stage if you count the covered tub where all the skanky girls are.

Lew, the girls are still ugly so keep on avoiding ch.

Skyfall. Short visit tonight. Some girls have pretty faces but many are suffering from the effects of hustling 20 plus drinks per night. Beer guts are plenty here.

Bliss. Visited the other night. Terrible lineup.

Glass house. Tons of girls no customers. Nothing special.

Shark. Majority of the girls aren't good but I like some of them.

Super girl. Walked in the other night. Hardly any girls. Seemed odd since this bar usually has lots of girls.

Misty's. Not much here for my taste.

Tantra. Still really liking this bar. Lots of girls. Bar is one of the busiest on ws now.

Panda. Sinking fast.

Dolls lk. The majority of the Kaos girls are gone. Nothing great tonight.

Billabong. Wow this place was rocking tonight. Seemed like khaosan road with all the people.

Thirsty Camel. There is one pretty new girl here. Rest are old.

Bachelor. I keep trying hoping it goes back to being a place worth visiting again. Unfortunately not.

Office. No!

Touch. No!

Wildcats. Other than bee who I posted a photo of before there is no one here.

Sensations. Just so disappointing these days. Still tons of girls but not many new ones. Many girls have the same issue as skyfall girls suffering the effects of drinking too much.

Bypass. Still busy with mandarin closed.