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[Member #4732]

About bar description and smiley. That was direct reply to you and you already posted above in your high end clinicas list. Suspecting my knowledge about it? :-)
How many visitors would like or prefer to walk in Moema between 9 clinicas? I walk fast too and like it but do not expect it from others. 1,2 km or 2 km is not a few block away. If you write to visitors then add the actual distances or addresses, since they can choose therefore whatever method of transportation is suitable for them. About Red, have been there two times, not any fuckable girls in lineup (10-15), so I left and not bother anymore, although it is closest for me. I was debating with you about high end clinicas as SP insider and wanted to know from where it comes. Elite price clinicas (500-600 reais) does not mean you get elite girls, it is just about the price. Rio de Janiero, not interesting nor care, this is SP forum. But I am sure that your current reply to me is very useful for SP newcomers. Since I got the answer from you to my question, I am done with that subject. Cheers!

Not sure I understood your entire reply as you intended it. Its not really my job to figure out all the distances for everyone else that can use google on their own. However, I used google maps to make a circuit from Shopping Ibirapuera to Chanes 57, Clinica Carinas, Enjoy, Abbobora, Mirunas, Kamna and Moema Prime is a total circuit of 2.7 km. 35 min of walking according to google maps, and you wind up 3 blocks from the starting point at shopping. I omitted Rua Apamas 45 even though it is directly on that route because it is tiny. I also left out Red because it really is an outlier in terms of distance and distorts the route. As per your experience about not finding anyone at Red. I often find no one fuckable at many places. But I know the lineups are always in flux so I don't necessarily rule a place out after any particular visit. I included Red be / see it often has 15-20 girls in their lineup and usually there are several good ones for everyone's different tastes.

Rather than just criticise my contribution, why don't you tell us what you consider to be the "high end" clinicas in SP. List them please. Also give us exact distances from a fixed point and the number of girls at each one. I am joking about the location and number of girls. Just give us your "list" of high end clinicas. You don't need to provide any details, I am sure I know all of them and just want to see the names.

FWIW I pointed out that I tried to contextualize things in terms of relationship to Rio clinicas or USA for the sake of visitors and you say you don't care. Yet, you reprimanded Wyatt for not providing exact information to visitors. I guess you have to tell us in each of your questions whether you want the SP "insider" response or the "for visitor" response.

[Member #4587]

To your last point about posting or not, think about this, you have irritated both Wyatt and myself by your passive aggressive approach. Style matters on a forum. You asked us both questions as if you were genuinely interested and then reply with what come off as snarky responses. If you were truly writing for the "audience" as you suggest, why did you claim that Chanes is a bar and not a clinica. You say the "smiley" mitigated the snark? How so? Only after I rebutted your "zing" did you say "of course I know it is a clinica and a bar". Oh, of course. And a reader looking for accurate information would have intuited that from your smiley? I don't think so.

Remember, this thread started around the issue of where to base a stay. We all agree that traffic in SP at rush hour is horrible and avoiding it is desirable. To that end, my comments about Moema are directed at the visitor. You seem to disagree with me on what consitutes "walkable" and what constitutes "high end". Fine, lets discuss.

Walkable: depending on weather, I love walking. I have walked from Moema to Brooklin several times. Shopping Ibirapuera to Red is 2 km. 25 min walk for average person according to maps. I do it in less because I am a fast walker. I would much rather walk that than sit in traffic on 23 de Maio or pack into a metro at rush hour. Again that is the outler on the far edge of Moema. The others I mentioned are clustered nearer to shopping ibirapuera. Enjoy is 1.2 km, 15 min walk from Shopping. The other places are all closer to the Shopping. There are the distances, others can decide what is walkable for them depending on fitness and time available. I don't expect or recommend that one walk the entire 9 each day, but using Moema as a base, they are all walkable.

High End Clinica: I am writing this for the visitor who knows "massage parlor" in USA or elsewhere, and "clinicas" in Rio. By those standards the places I listed are factually high end. They all have nice reception with couches and coffee. They have presentations of live girls or books. They have showers in room, as opposed to hallway shower as is norm in Rio. They have air conditioning. The rooms are spacious, have decent beds, not massage tables. Again "high end" compared to Rio standard. They often have mirrors and sex chairs. They have 5-15 (or 20 in case of Red) girls to choose from, most from 18-30 and in good condition and providing good service. They have no pretense of manual only massage. Client is free to avoid massage entirely and just have pure sex, unlike "massage parlors" in many parts of world and even clinicas in Sao Paulo that charge the same for a hand job as these places charge for full service. The management in all of these places monitor performance. The girls rotate from place to place so there is no "best lineup". By comparison to an american massage parlor these places are all luxurious. By comparison to Rio clinicas these are all high end. I think that is factually true. I lived in Rio, I know Rio well. There are a few places in Rio that have similar standards but they are the exception there..

About bar description and smiley. That was direct reply to you and you already posted above in your high end clinicas list. Suspecting my knowledge about it?
How many visitors would like or prefer to walk in Moema between 9 clinicas? I walk fast too and like it but do not expect it from others. 1,2 km or 2 km is not a few block away. If you write to visitors then add the actual distances or addresses, since they can choose therefore whatever method of transportation is suitable for them. About Red, have been there two times, not any fuckable girls in lineup (10-15), so I left and not bother anymore, although it is closest for me. I was debating with you about high end clinicas as SP insider and wanted to know from where it comes. Elite price clinicas (500-600 reais) does not mean you get elite girls, it is just about the price. Rio de Janiero, not interesting nor care, this is SP forum. But I am sure that your current reply to me is very useful for SP newcomers. Since I got the answer from you to my question, I am done with that subject. Cheers!

[KashMoney]

Wasn't very impressed when I went to Casarão on Sunday but decided to stop back in tonight a little later. Showed up at 1 am and it was like a totally different place! Packed with people, lots of garotas. Still in the 6-8 range, don't think I saw any 9's or 10's but lots of options. They opened up a space in the back and downstairs and had a few pretty boring stage shows. But more action on the dance floor and it was hard to get a drink. Met a beauty with a great natural body. Danced for a bit and she was fun. She asked for Rs 250 and we went upstairs. But there was a line of at least 30 couples waiting to get into a room. So we went to a nearby hotel instead that had the same owners so the price was the same. Nice room, clean and mirrors on the ceiling which I absolutely love and my girl did not disappoint. A great night! She said Fri and Sat are so busy you can't even walk around. Might have to stop by to see how good it can get.

Thinking of going to one of the higher end clubs tonight though. Either Bomboa or Scandallos. Bomboa is a lot closer and more convenient but I really do want to see the best of the best. Is it worth making the trip to Scandallos? Is it that much better. Sounds like the cost is about the same.

[WyattEarp]

Suppose I want to go to Scandallo every night for 5-6 nights. Aren't there decent hotels in Jardim Gloria. Or nearby?

Short answer No.

You would have to stay at a neighborhood AirBnB or an extremely budget hotel where you will still be dealing with taxis. A gringo doesn't want to walk around Gloria late at night. Scandallo is a big club in the middle of a relatively quiet and residential neighborhood.

If you tell us exactly what you want to do with your time besides Scandallo, we can give you better advise.

Your question reminded me of the days when guys would stay at a hotel near the old Help Disco in Rio and wouldn't leave a one block radius from the club. Of course, there was a beach full of thong-clad bunnies across the street. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you would get bored in Gloria.

[Steve 9696]

Steve, I'm worried you're going to knock yourself out running around Sao Paulo and Brazil trying to visit every venue you possibly can. Try to take it easy and enjoy the experience. It only takes one beautiful girl who connects with you. Sometimes you have a big itinerary planned and that one girl shows up early. Don't overthink it. Don't pass on her.

Good advice thanks. I mega plan, but often adjust. But good reminder to be flexible. I do tend to become attached when I find that gem.

[WyattEarp]

It appears both Tangara and Mirunas are open Sunday. What about Moema Prime? Can't tell from the web. Also and compare and contrast welcome. Thanks.

Steve, I'm worried you're going to knock yourself out running around Sao Paulo and Brazil trying to visit every venue you possibly can. Try to take it easy and enjoy the experience. It only takes one beautiful girl who connects with you. Sometimes you have a big itinerary planned and that one girl shows up early. Don't overthink it. Don't pass on her.

[Member #4587]

Sorry but I have STFF and come up empty. Can anyone recommend best place to buy or brand of SIM card? Just need a few GB for the week. Thanks.

https://timpre.tim.com.br/?_ga=2.192...139.1534351987

You can buy a chip at several metro station (usually 5-7 reais) or directly at TIM store (10 reais) and activate. Do not fill your balance in metro station when purchasing, it might not be in your account. A minimum of 15 reais payment. I use TIM.

[Member #4732]

It appears both Tangara and Mirunas are open Sunday. What about Moema Prime? Can't tell from the web. Also and compare and contrast welcome. Thanks.

TG, Mirunas, Prime, and I believe Brooklin (still?) are open on Sundays. Sundays are pot luck, lots of free lancers, some you can see no other time, some are boate girls looking for extra cash. Sundays are usually shorter hours 12-7 for example, and girls leave early, so really Sunday is best from 1-4.

[Steve 9696]

It appears both Tangara and Mirunas are open Sunday. What about Moema Prime? Can't tell from the web. Also and compare and contrast welcome. Thanks.

[Steve 9696]

Sorry but I have STFF and come up empty. Can anyone recommend best place to buy or brand of SIM card? Just need a few GB for the week. Thanks.

[Member #4732]

I will gladly stand-by my opinion that this Moema metro line is not complete and not as convenient as the Paulista / Consolao metro stop area. If this was the game of Trivial Pursuit, you would be absolutely correct. Since we are talking about practicality, it's a matter of opinion.

As a point of reference for a new SP visitor, when you stay in Moema you already have walking access to Shopping Ibirapuera (which is a fine mall, but nothing special for SP) and of course several clinicas. This metro line currently only runs from the Moema area away from the central city. It will be more convenient when it is extended.

I agree with you that at this point in time, the metro access from Moema to the rest of the city is less convenient than from Jardins, assuming one is based near a metro entrance. But that advantage is due to expire as soon as the remaining 4 stations open and connect Moema to Vila Mariana and 2 more lines. That may be this month or it may not be till the end of the year as they are dicking about with the final stages of construction.

Cheers.

[Member #4732]

To your last point about posting or not, think about this, you have irritated both Wyatt and myself by your passive aggressive approach. Style matters on a forum. You asked us both questions as if you were genuinely interested and then reply with what come off as snarky responses. If you were truly writing for the "audience" as you suggest, why did you claim that Chanes is a bar and not a clinica. You say the "smiley" mitigated the snark? How so? Only after I rebutted your "zing" did you say "of course I know it is a clinica and a bar". Oh, of course. And a reader looking for accurate information would have intuited that from your smiley? I don't think so.

Remember, this thread started around the issue of where to base a stay. We all agree that traffic in SP at rush hour is horrible and avoiding it is desirable. To that end, my comments about Moema are directed at the visitor. You seem to disagree with me on what consitutes "walkable" and what constitutes "high end". Fine, lets discuss.

Walkable: depending on weather, I love walking. I have walked from Moema to Brooklin several times. Shopping Ibirapuera to Red is 2 km. 25 min walk for average person according to maps. I do it in less because I am a fast walker. I would much rather walk that than sit in traffic on 23 de Maio or pack into a metro at rush hour. Again that is the outler on the far edge of Moema. The others I mentioned are clustered nearer to shopping ibirapuera. Enjoy is 1.2 km, 15 min walk from Shopping. The other places are all closer to the Shopping. There are the distances, others can decide what is walkable for them depending on fitness and time available. I don't expect or recommend that one walk the entire 9 each day, but using Moema as a base, they are all walkable.

High End Clinica: I am writing this for the visitor who knows "massage parlor" in USA or elsewhere, and "clinicas" in Rio. By those standards the places I listed are factually high end. They all have nice reception with couches and coffee. They have presentations of live girls or books. They have showers in room, as opposed to hallway shower as is norm in Rio. They have air conditioning. The rooms are spacious, have decent beds, not massage tables. Again "high end" compared to Rio standard. They often have mirrors and sex chairs. They have 5-15 (or 20 in case of Red) girls to choose from, most from 18-30 and in good condition and providing good service. They have no pretense of manual only massage. Client is free to avoid massage entirely and just have pure sex, unlike "massage parlors" in many parts of world and even clinicas in Sao Paulo that charge the same for a hand job as these places charge for full service. The management in all of these places monitor performance. The girls rotate from place to place so there is no "best lineup". By comparison to an american massage parlor these places are all luxurious. By comparison to Rio clinicas these are all high end. I think that is factually true. I lived in Rio, I know Rio well. There are a few places in Rio that have similar standards but they are the exception there.

Now. Are these the "highest end" in Sao Paulo? Different question. I stated up front that there are "more pricey" places in SP. If you are a person that likes "luxury" and "exclusivity" then you might consider France Bel, The Palms and Lotus Lounge "higher end". If you are a person that thinks higher price equals better quality in puntering, then those places are higher end than the Moema "standard". But that is really a Sao Paulo insider debate. Are the girls better in those places than the Moema joints? The average "look" in The Palms and Lotus Lounge and Ouro is higher on average but they are twice as expensive. If a visitor wants to try them, by all means, I would as a visitor, but they are not clearly 2 x as better even though they charge 2 x in price. FWIW, in 2018 I did a girl at Mirunas on Sunday (free lance day) for 170 and the next night saw her at Bomboa where she wanted 600 per hour. I saw another free at Mirunas for 170 that now charges 400 per hour on web site. Its all relative and its all in flux when it comes to SP "insider" details.

IMO SP has 4 categories of clinicas / prives:

Trash places with small rooms and dirty.

Sao Paulo hand job places. Which are overpriced unless you are really looking for nuru or lingam massage.

"Sao Paulo standard" which imo is "high end" relative to massage parlors globally, and compared to "Rio standard".

"Sao Paulo elite" which are be / t 500-600 $BR and usually have books instead of presentation.

Cheers.

At first, I did not agreed with you that there are 9 high end clinicas that are few blocks away. I did not knittpick your response rather I completely disagree about the quantity of high end clinicas if there are any existing those and a few blocks walking distance between them. From Chanes57 to Enjoy is also quite distance to walk, 15 minutes, not two blocks. Closest to each are that are a few block distance are Carinas, Abbobora, Kamna and Mirunas. Prime is futher, Chanes 57. If there is any high end clinicas, then they are probably Abbobora, Enjoy and Prime and that comes purely for reception room furniture. Actually the girls change between those, I know a few ex Enjoy girls who went to Abbobora and some to Brooklin. What I dislike is Abboboras reception attitude. I added a smiley on purpose after Chanes57 is a bar, I know exactly what is there and how it goes like. As I wrote it is my opinion, it is. I would not recommend to anybody walk from Red to other places or from Chanes57 to Enjoy that was my point to not agree with your few blocks statement of 9 high end clinicas.

[Member #4587]

I will gladly stand-by my opinion that this Moema metro line is not complete and not as convenient as the Paulista / Consolao metro stop area. If this was the game of Trivial Pursuit, you would be absolutely correct. Since we are talking about practicality, it's a matter of opinion.

As a point of reference for a new SP visitor, when you stay in Moema you already have walking access to Shopping Ibirapuera (which is a fine mall, but nothing special for SP) and of course several clinicas. This metro line currently only runs from the Moema area away from the central city. It will be more convenient when it is extended.

It is not game and not everybody are staying in Paulista area. You can reach Moema with one transit from Pinheiros with metro. Form Paulista to Moema now you need two metro line transit points and when Linha 5 is running completely, you will need one. When I go from Brooklin (Shopping Morumbi) to Paulista, in peak hours I choose metro, although it usually is very crowded.

[Member #4587]

Is this Moema jeopardy? Clinics for 1000? You asked me to list the 9 and now you want to knittpick my response rather than say " thanks good info".

When I said that these 9 are within a few blocks of each other I meant there is one SEQUENTIALLY within a few blocks of the next, not that all are within a few block radius. You chose he two extremes Red and Enjoy, they are at the extreme ends of a corridor of clinicas. So technically those TWO are not within a few blocks of each other. But if one walks from Enloy toward Red or vice versa one will encounter one or more of the clinicas that I listed every few blocks. Furthermore Red is the outlier and if you throw that out the other 8 are actually within a pretty tight block radius. In what I would call the southeast quadrant of Moema.

I also disagree with some of your other knits. Abobora does not have "the best" lineup. First there is no such thing as reliably or consistenty "best" lineup when it comes to clinicas in this range. I guarantee you that the women in Abbobora have worked and or will work in some of other the clinicas I listed and are indistinguishable in quality or beauty from the other girls..

At first, I did not agreed with you that there are 9 high end clinicas that are few blocks away. I did not knittpick your response rather I completely disagree about the quantity of high end clinicas if there are any existing those and a few blocks walking distance between them. From Chanes57 to Enjoy is also quite distance to walk, 15 minutes, not two blocks. Closest to each are that are a few block distance are Carinas, Abbobora, Kamna and Mirunas. Prime is futher, Chanes 57. If there is any high end clinicas, then they are probably Abbobora, Enjoy and Prime and that comes purely for reception room furniture. Actually the girls change between those, I know a few ex Enjoy girls who went to Abbobora and some to Brooklin. What I dislike is Abboboras reception attitude. I added a smiley on purpose after Chanes57 is a bar, I know exactly what is there and how it goes like. As I wrote it is my opinion, it is. I would not recommend to anybody walk from Red to other places or from Chanes57 to Enjoy that was my point to not agree with your few blocks statement of 9 high end clinicas. I am not arguing about your thought that they are high end, just wanted to know from where that kind of thinking comes. The best lineup is a matter of taste on that specific day and time, I agree with that. Also I do not comment here my thoughts about girls who I recognize from posted pictures, because here everyone expects only praising, like in democracy although I find many of girls( in posted pictures) are ugly and not fuckable for me. But to everybody his own. Maybe I should start sending private messages with questions and thoughts when I do have those? Or even do not write anything at all, just be a lurker.Keeps the crowd satisfied.

[HarvestBoi]

Suppose I want to go to Scandallo every night for 5-6 nights. Aren't there decent hotels in Jardim Gloria. Or nearby?