Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Michi T]

Stupid shit in Kiev discussion is so silen!? Everybody now happy with Kiev girls?

[Jojosun]

I never disclosed whom the individuals are but even then it's easy to deduce as you more than likely have.

So what does that say about the number of people who hate on Ukraine so much?

Anyhow, not my intent to pick a fight. I'm merely one person who has had a positive experience.

I prefer to keep it civil and not attack others with differing opinions as we each deserve to voice them.

So apologies if I offended them I only want to make sure that others understand that that the experience varies from person to person as we are all different in terms of our cash flow, personality, age, physical fitness, etc etc. It's unfair to paint a an absolute negative experience on a country simply because you have had bad experiences. What about those who haven't had a negative experience like myself? Yeah, crap happens but not to everybody.

Can you believe it that crap did happen on one of my trips not just once but twice. Not in Kiev and I've been there loads of times, but in one of the safest cities in the world, Tokyo.

Shinjuku area of Tokyo and my drink got spiked by the Nigerian manager of a hostess bar. I smelt a rat when I had a look at my beer with very frothy head to it.

I just got up and headed to the exit and told him to f off.

Second time a very sexy Chinese hostess managed to fleece me out of nearly US $300 for just touching and feeling her in the club in the Akasaka area of Tokyo.

The 2 big scams didn't turn me against Tokyo as one of the great cities for fun and sex if only exchange rates go back to what they were nearly 10 years ago.

[DramaFree11]

I love how Drama gives his opinion on other posters validity but he admits he hasn't been to Kiev in 2+ years. Rinna is a better source with his Chicago info!

I was talking about accurate and real information, not fictional.

[Member #4722]

You are totally correct Kozerog is a pro and tells things the way they are, both good / bad.

I love how Drama gives his opinion on other posters validity but he admits he hasn't been to Kiev in 2+ years. Rinna is a better source with his Chicago info!

[DramaFree11]

It's posts like Kozerogs and PhotoSliders that make me realize that mongering in a new destination is like starting a business from scratch. You'll have to deal with setbacks and learn. I've become very comfortable with my Ukrainian pimp back home that everything has become so easy like a smooth operating business any idiot could manage. Maybe that's why I was down on Kiev my last trip. It's tough to start from the beginning again.

You are totally correct Kozerog is a pro and tells things the way they are, both good / bad.

[PhotoSlider]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107...bbed-of-18-000

If this poor fella would have read this forum, he would have known that he was a target the moment he landed in Ukraine.

Him specifically, or anybody in Ukraine?

[Riina]

It's posts like Kozerogs and PhotoSliders that make me realize that mongering in a new destination is like starting a business from scratch. You'll have to deal with setbacks and learn. I've become very comfortable with my Ukrainian pimp back home that everything has become so easy like a smooth operating business any idiot could manage. Maybe that's why I was down on Kiev my last trip. It's tough to start from the beginning again.

[PhotoSlider]

...If you read PhotoSlider's reports carefully and you have personal experience with those hidden agencies he is using, then you will recognize that reality might feel quite different from his description. Not everyone is as quick to recover as PhotoSlider from rude girls who have to be sent away, girls who turn out unenthusiastic in bed, rude mamasans, etc. PhotoSlider was determined to make things work, he steered forwards relentlessly, as he puts it, and was obviously attentive to what he was doing so as to minimize risks and avoid problems.

I wouldn't even call it forward, more precisely steering away from underwater rocks and other disasters potentially damaging the ship, there are plenty of those in Kiev. Just as you say, Kozerog, minimizing risks and avoid problems.

I am thinking in terms of strategic methodology applied to categories withing the locality, not tactical tricks applied to individuals.

In Rio-de-Janeiro, Brazil, it meant going to good Termas instead of street hunting and ordering outcalls to my place, as I didn't know the language that much, and there's a higher crime rate.

That's how I used to be when I was running a business, when setbacks just energized me to try harder. Not everyone is going to have that determined attitude with regards to mongering. Without that determined attitude plus lots of experience and street sense, I think average guys are going to find Kyiv closer to DramaFree11's description than PhotoSlider's.

I have other thoughts on the subject. Trying to replicate Western hunting approach for women in Ukrainian bars and clubs is what killing most of foreign visitors. Kiev is cannot be further away from the concept. Will elaborate later, need to think more before trying to help others.

What is not talked about much on this forum is the option of a shared mistress situation like I have with my jewel. If I will be seeing a girl / woman hundreds of times over the years (I've only seen my jewel about 36 times so far, but my hopes are high for the future) then the sort of unpleasant effort PhotoSlider is implying in his reports makes sense for someone like me, whereas it doesn't make sense for one shot deals. Big upfront investment but bigger long-term payoff. Of course, a mistress situation is not for everyone.

I did an ex-GIA GF for 2 weeks during this visit, and kicked her out eventually for being selfish, and not sweet enough. I could have stayed longer with her, getting more and more pissed and irritated. Cutting her out and shutting down any and all communication without further damage and endless complaints seems like a right move.

I currently have 2 long-term GFs in Kiev:

- One for 4 years now, she is a freelancer, and a smart one. My favorite.

- Another one for the last 3 years, and she has a significant other (other than me).

Most enjoyable young ladies. Trust means a lot in those relationships. Should see both of them soon.

Another ex-GIA I had for half a year, then her innocence wore out and I stopped answering Viber messages, stopped seeing her while visiting Kiev. She was one of the sweetest. Such a shame what happened to a very classy lady!

Also my apologies to everybody, if my Casanova posts offend you. Please disregard and keep in mind that I had my own share of failures in Kiev and elsewhere. I am almost surprised that Kozerog understand me the best. Perhaps it is his analytical mind and honesty to himself.

[Kozerog]

DramaFree11 weakens his credibility with repeated careless formatting of posts, never mind the contents of those posts. If he is similarly careless in his mongering, that will spell disaster in Kyiv. But I think there is an element of truth in his critique. If you read PhotoSlider's reports carefully and you have personal experience with those hidden agencies he is using, then you will recognize that reality might feel quite different from his description. Not everyone is as quick to recover as PhotoSlider from rude girls who have to be sent away, girls who turn out unenthusiastic in bed, rude mamasans, etc. PhotoSlider was determined to make things work, he steered forwards relentlessly, as he puts it, and was obviously attentive to what he was doing so as to minimize risks and avoid problems. That's how I used to be when I was running a business, when setbacks just energized me to try harder. Not everyone is going to have that determined attitude with regards to mongering. Without that determined attitude plus lots of experience and street sense, I think average guys are going to find Kyiv closer to DramaFree11's description than PhotoSlider's.

What is not talked about much on this forum is the option of a shared mistress situation like I have with my jewel. If I will be seeing a girl / woman hundreds of times over the years (I've only seen my jewel about 36 times so far, but my hopes are high for the future) then the sort of unpleasant effort PhotoSlider is implying in his reports makes sense for someone like me, whereas it doesn't make sense for one shot deals. Big upfront investment but bigger long-term payoff. Of course, a mistress situation is not for everyone.

[DramaFree11]

Thank you for the back up, Appreciate it. This is funny, these 2 guys, tried to embarrass me, In the process they helped to prove my point How little they know about Kiev. Recommend a club and restaurant that has been dead for 10 years, Completely empty 99% of the time. Please ask Jackson to clarify, if you have any questions about the fact we are 2 people. You're in for a big surprise.

[Jojosun]

Someone needs to create a forum for the Casanovas in Kiev. I understand their dilemma, chat about pussy on any other site and you're instantly banned. The problem is this a a pay for sex forum and nobody cares about their freebies and how socially adept they are are pulling hotties at middle age.

Would you include our friend from the olden days (Prosal) as a member as well? With his freebies from Uzbekistan to Kiev.

[JonasWRay]

I fully respect all opinions on this forum, But I honestly think you're wrong here as it's obvious to me they are not the same Person. Just read previous posts and you get the picture.

I never disclosed whom the individuals are but even then it's easy to deduce as you more than likely have.

So what does that say about the number of people who hate on Ukraine so much?

Anyhow, not my intent to pick a fight. I'm merely one person who has had a positive experience.

I prefer to keep it civil and not attack others with differing opinions as we each deserve to voice them.

So apologies if I offended them I only want to make sure that others understand that that the experience varies from person to person as we are all different in terms of our cash flow, personality, age, physical fitness, etc etc. It's unfair to paint a an absolute negative experience on a country simply because you have had bad experiences. What about those who haven't had a negative experience like myself? Yeah, crap happens but not to everybody.

[Jojosun]

There are still 2 particular individuals who are providing no valuable information other than negativity towards the country or attacking those who deem otherwise. In fact, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were the same person using two accounts..

I fully respect all opinions on this forum, But I honestly think you're wrong here as it's obvious to me they are not the same Person. Just read previous posts and you get the picture.

[Riina]

Someone needs to create a forum for the Casanovas in Kiev. I understand their dilemma, chat about pussy on any other site and you're instantly banned. The problem is this a a pay for sex forum and nobody cares about their freebies and how socially adept they are are pulling hotties at middle age.

[JonasWRay]

Where did you read that Avalon is closed?

When was the last time you were in Kiev? 2-3 years ago?

How can you create a list of Clubs in Kiev and pretend to provide advise for newbies here on anything related to Kiev, when all your info is based on hear-say and contempt for anything in Ukraine?

For Forum members: Avalon is alive and more than well after 20 years in business, and IMO keeps getting better with every year! I do not see any reason for it getting closed. In fact as a restaurant I like it much better than anything in Arena. My top 10 favorite in Kiev. It is not exactly a pick up place though. I go there with my new dates to relax and have great time. I am also acquainted with all Avalon hostesses, director of the first floor, and general manger of the whole complex, that includes spa, karaoke, fitness and more. Had a very nice dinner there a week ago. Introduced one distinguished Forum member to it few weeks ago, and we had an amazing conversation. Thanks to Jackson again!

Cheers!

Thanks! Always enjoy you're honest and non-biased opinions and information whether it be bad or good.

There are still 2 particular individuals who are providing no valuable information other than negativity towards the country or attacking those who deem otherwise. In fact, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were the same person using two accounts.

But hey, this should should really be placed in the thread for stupid shit but since they aren't being moderated then what's the point?

GIA was my go to in the past and I thoroughly enjoyed it for both quality and price. Messed around with Mamba but was never really able to follow through with it but given the amount of correspondence I had on it I don't doubt I could have. Tinder was a definite goldmine. Never mongered on it but I was able to meet girls really easily. There are other dating specific sites that I don't want to flat out giveaway as I was able to secure non-paying interactions so they weren't necessarily geared towards mongering but that's not to say they couldn't have been. Maybe I just got lucky. Not to say I'm some sort of Casanova but I am middle aged, above average physically fit, socially adept, and have a pretty disposable income.

Point is, whether you're in Kiev to monger or not, it's extremely easy to meet girls that, in my opinion, are drop dead gorgeous.

Compare that to here in the States and there is no comparison whatsoever. I can't speak of the FKK's and other options in Western Europe as I've never mongered there. Not even going to compare with Asia or South American countries as those are completely different types of girls.

So all this talk of old days and inflated prices is ridiculous because guess what? Inflation is a global phenomenon. Deal with it. If you don't have the cash then work harder or tough luck. Even at the inflated prices it's still way cheaper than in the US so I'm not going to complain.