SC Sauna Club Living Room - Kaarst

[Bobolino]

or letting vulgar, unrespectful Jane who was not able to get business, bothering a client who was never interested and never noticed her. After nearly 6 years, more than 600 days in FKK land from Hamburg to Slovenia, for sure more than 1000 rooms, for first time I went to desk about a girl, when no girl never took me to desk, but she was really too unrespectful, really low level behavior and also low level management, I don't want to pay 60 for this, when I visited at least once, sometimes twice, weekly on last 2 months, happy I was to find a new good girl after 11 months. New girls also don't seem to be on high level, compare to girls who left. LR is not anymore high level GFE land, most often empty except on Friday and Saturday evenings. One good girl was enough for me, but LR is really not improving for me.

Siri,

I'm really surprised to read what you say about Jane! I know her for a few years and never experienced any vulgar behavior.

[Sirioja]

I've always observed LR management to be one of the best. They have always been good to clients and to the girls. Since they've opened up their entrance policy, they've also done a good job keeping the girls safe from clients who act inappropriately.

Management is not smiling girls on desk or at the bar, for those who know a bit about LR, management is what is behind, and must be a reason if so many problems at LR since beginning of the year, with a club falling down when it was the highest level in Germany on 2016/2017, not touristic level like in Hessen, but most often empty now, many girls left, ex girls happy to be at GT, local regulars who were stuck at LR now going to other clubs. Even with alcohol back, even on beginning of the month, empty on Thursday evening, Saturday until 6/7 pm, when there is business for girls at brother GT, Kate having a 8 hours room on Friday night, when most of LR girls are waiting to get business, not only the low level new girls, but also really good girls, at least she is really good for me, new for me but not new in the club.

Other reason is level of new girls with many GND look and little girl level in bed, far below past women in bed like my ex regular Daria, I think she liked my appropriate behavior with her, even she didn't like I didn t go anymore with her when I chose couches star, like I chose her before. Who are also the new Jeni, Melissa. Bu, Lily. Kaz? New Rena who was the busiest on last Thursday evening, without kissing service? New standard at LR? But my behavior is to never be a beggar with girls, I prefer to get from them, and my appropriate behavior got me great girls at LR since May 2016, starting with Amira, then Daria, Jeni, then I don t remember but she came to me when she started her day, weekly for months and 1 year later, desk still tell me about her, but since October 2017 when I stopped, experiencing only disappointing levels for my tastes except Antonella and Eli who didn t stay, had to be patient and worked hard for 11 months, to discover my new one, a real good surprise, from her behavior in lounge to after only 2 or 3 minutes in room, but I already felt this in couch time, I must be David Copperfield twin to have appropriate skill to get the best for my tastes from my girls. I drive from so far for this, and she made me drive from Slovenia border, after killing my body climbing Zoncolan on morning, then driving 1000 kms for her. I visited twice per week end when she worked, even LR is so boring for me before she starts her day, but with such level of management not even able to ask a unrespectful girl, not to bother clients, when she is not able to get business but not my problem, I don t pay for a boring club where management only play low level Bundesliga 2 without listening to what clients ask, when they listen at big brother GT when I m sometimes the only one to watch ski Worldcup and ski time is coming now, and not able to manage Jane behavior about respect for clients, so as a weekly regular, even not German, for years and on 2 last months, I won t pay for such level, even new couches I don t care about. Only girls level worth for me to spend my money.

[Chongmal]

I'm happy that management is finally taking some actions to improve the club. It is technically a Living Room, so it's difficult to offer some amenities guys would like to see, like a gym, but making those offered top notch is an option. Maybe guys who want to workout could be allowed to go jogging, in their white robes and bath slippers, around the football pitches at the ISA. The one thing I hope is the struggles about alcohol is behind the club. It seems each time alcohol has been removed, many male clients and females have moved away from the club and some don't return when the alcohol does. I do wish the TV programming was a bit more flexible. It was a shame not to see any of the Olympic Games or Formula 1 while at LR.

[ExpatLover]

Never saw Hells at LR, but Turkish, Albanians, Arabs, since March 2017. So many problems at LR since beginning of the year, must have a real reason when no problems at brother GT, but low level management at LR compare to GT, I don't mean girls on desk or at the bar, but day or night guys who should manage rather than watching Bundesliga 2, or letting vulgar, unrespectful Jane who was not able to get business, bothering a client who was never interested and never noticed her. After nearly 6 years, more than 600 days in FKK land from Hamburg to Slovenia, for sure more than 1000 rooms, for first time I went to desk about a girl, when no girl never took me to desk, but she was really too unrespectful, really low level behavior and also low level management, I don't want to pay 60 for this, when I visited at least once, sometimes twice, weekly on last 2 months, happy I was to find a new good girl after 11 months. New girls also don't seem to be on high level, compare to girls who left. LR is not anymore high level GFE land, most often empty except on Friday and Saturday evenings. One good girl was enough for me, but LR is really not improving for me.

The world is changing and the FKK world also. We have to admit it even we don t like the new world. Just have a look about the owners of most of the clubs, consider also that probably more than 90% of the girls have a pimp, BF or are married, we are just there to spend as much cash as possible. The clubs are full of migrants, full of guys not able to shower naked, full of guys not putting a towel in the sauna, not respecting the girls or the other mongers. Never forget that most of the girls have better alternative than to be in a FKK club and that there are so many other options also for the mongers to get great sex. I never spend so less time and cash in the club than in the last year, I am extremely selective and able to control my libido and to say no it is not worth it.

[Louie De Palma]

Never saw Hells at LR, but Turkish, Albanians, Arabs, since March 2017. So many problems at LR since beginning of the year, must have a real reason when no problems at brother GT, but low level management at LR compare to GT, I don't mean girls on desk or at the bar, but day or night guys who should manage rather than watching Bundesliga 2, or letting vulgar, unrespectful Jane who was not able to get business, bothering a client who was never interested and never noticed her. After nearly 6 years, more than 600 days in FKK land from Hamburg to Slovenia, for sure more than 1000 rooms, for first time I went to desk about a girl, when no girl never took me to desk, but she was really too unrespectful, really low level behavior and also low level management, I don't want to pay 60 for this, when I visited at least once, sometimes twice, weekly on last 2 months, happy I was to find a new good girl after 11 months. New girls also don't seem to be on high level, compare to girls who left. LR is not anymore high level GFE land, most often empty except on Friday and Saturday evenings. One good girl was enough for me, but LR is really not improving for me.

I visited Livingroom in July. It was as great as ever, and the management was all over to make us punters happy. I have had a single bad experience in this club, a bulgarian girl a couple of years back. Otherwise, this is my favourite club.

[Kuni042]

I didn't like those in GT- too dark and too cheap looking. They removed the machines in that corner (if you go into the main room to the right) in GT as well. This place looks a bit odd currently.

I hear they delivered new couches at LR and GT today. I haven't seen them but I'm told they are nice. To me, this is one great positive.

[Takedown]

I've always observed LR management to be one of the best. They have always been good to clients and to the girls. Since they've opened up their entrance policy, they've also done a good job keeping the girls safe from clients who act inappropriately.

[Sirioja]

I hear they delivered new couches at LR and GT today. I haven't seen them but I'm told they are nice. To me, this is one great positive.

Great improvement for gossiping specialists. At Globe, desk ask if we found a wow girl, at LR will be asked about wow couch, when prettiest new girls like Andrea who kissed but not sensual in bed, or not kissing Rena, don t need to repeat. As there must a reason for so many problems for so long time, should change managers to improve club level, not same level for management than GT where not same problems and where ex LR girls seem happy about new business.

[Chongmal]

I hear they delivered new couches at LR and GT today. I haven't seen them but I'm told they are nice. To me, this is one great positive.

[Sirioja]

Root causes?

Could the downturn in the NRW scene be connected with the crackdown on Motorcycle Clubs over the past couple of years?

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-...oup/a-41005862

Never saw Hells at LR, but Turkish, Albanians, Arabs, since March 2017. So many problems at LR since beginning of the year, must have a real reason when no problems at brother GT, but low level management at LR compare to GT, I don't mean girls on desk or at the bar, but day or night guys who should manage rather than watching Bundesliga 2, or letting vulgar, unrespectful Jane who was not able to get business, bothering a client who was never interested and never noticed her. After nearly 6 years, more than 600 days in FKK land from Hamburg to Slovenia, for sure more than 1000 rooms, for first time I went to desk about a girl, when no girl never took me to desk, but she was really too unrespectful, really low level behavior and also low level management, I don't want to pay 60 for this, when I visited at least once, sometimes twice, weekly on last 2 months, happy I was to find a new good girl after 11 months. New girls also don't seem to be on high level, compare to girls who left. LR is not anymore high level GFE land, most often empty except on Friday and Saturday evenings. One good girl was enough for me, but LR is really not improving for me.

[Chongmal]

why Living Room is claimed by some to be not as good as it was in previous years?

I can personally attest that business is slower, I'm just trying to find out why. I know the used to have nearly double the amount of ladies on staff, but there aren't enough men the support the current smaller casting.

[Member #4585]

Root causes?

Could the downturn in the NRW scene be connected with the crackdown on Motorcycle Clubs over the past couple of years?

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-...oup/a-41005862

Thank you Polyamorist for the article relating to the Hells Angels and Bandidos. Similar to Chongmal, I am unsure what this has to do with why Living Room is claimed by some to be not as good as it was in previous years?

[Chongmal]

Root causes?

Could the downturn in the NRW scene be connected with the crackdown on Motorcycle Clubs over the past couple of years?

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-...oup/a-41005862

I don't see this as a root cause but it could impact things in ways I can't imagine. How would this impact things and why is it not the same at the sister club GT?

[Polyamorist]

I hear a lot about how much better LR was back in 2016-17. What do you all think has changed that has resulted in this lower level?

Root causes?

Could the downturn in the NRW scene be connected with the crackdown on Motorcycle Clubs over the past couple of years?

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-...oup/a-41005862

[SkyMaster]

Something more to make me want to go to the club on that Monday or Thursday or whatever when I would otherwise stay home and watch Netflix.

The LU, beer, rooms and the services are really good but when I avoid this club during the cold months of the year its due to too little things to do inside the facilities and too much smoke and a bad sound system. During weekdays if I'm tired I need to have some space for relaxation. If I'm full of energy maybe a training pass or some other activities lead by the girls could be a good motivation.