Kyiv

[Habeed]

Escalation in Ukrainian conflict against Russia? Any good news? Is Ukraine economy going to tank to levels of the 1990's?

Such optimistic thinking. On a serious note, though, so forum-goers say the mongering scene used to be a lot better a few years ago. And I am sure that this observation is correct, but why? Did demographically the whole country get older, or Chinese men (they have a surplus of males) are stealing all the Ukrainian 10's, or what? Economically I read they have only been growing a couple percent a year, putting them at a fraction the GDP and average purchasing power parity of most of us mongers.

[Habeed]

Thank you for the information. Would share the link to the apartment you mentioned please?

It's just "partner guest house". Dobovo has 150 or so apartments they offer listed. They have been decent for me. I have found a tremendous amount of extra stuff that a motel wouldn't have in the apartment (dishes, cleaning supplies, that sort of thing) and the one I am in is stylishly furnished. The receptionist speaks English (and is probably a 9 in hotness, unfortunately I don't think you can pay to fuck her). But I might be a shill, I just recommend you look for an apartment near the centre district that has a decent number of reviews, a high rating, and a decent price for the performance.

[CastOnThis]

Escalation in Ukrainian conflict against Russia? Any good news? Is Ukraine economy going to tank to levels of the 1990's?

[Habeed]

In non-white cities you can still find white hotties, most of whom came from Russia and Ukraine, in clubs. In many cities in China there are Slavic girls working in karaokes, and some of them are pretty hot.

This just seems. Well the first problem is that maybe trafficked sex slaves or overworked brothel workers look the same or better, at least in their clothes and makeup. But they won't have the same attitude! I don't think you're making an apples to apples comparison. This Ukrainian girl I am seeing. And overpaying, yes. Seems to think about me when I'm not with her. She prepares for our sessions and finds places to meet at I would like and seems to make an effort. And she speaks english. And bombards my phones with messages while she's at work and sniffs out other girls I might potentially be seeing.

I examined your entire list. What I saw was that either it was a country where the population is non-white (I feel as a person I am egaltarian but my penis is terribly racist, sexist, ageist, and even biased about facial structure and small behaviors and hair color) and the women in the brothel were imports, or it's a country with a very high cost basis like Switzerland or Russia. Or the FKK clubs, which are an excellent value but they are a factory for sex. Any woman you fuck there has had relations with 5 other dudes that day or more.

The one place I will look into is Moscow. Expensive but if you want to pay for it, pay for the best. And given that the women there would be either locals to the city or drawn from all the other cities and rural areas of Russia. Similar to how LA is in the USA. I would expect cream of the crop. And while $300 USD sounds expensive, try getting a hooker in LA who looks that good for that.

[Guntherus]

So what's interesting I have learned is with Ukrainians, there's no such thing as a "done deal" or a fixed price. Though this can go both ways. With this girl, picture attached this time, we agreed on $300 US a day for 10 days, and she agreed to spend her time not at work with me. Like a couple I guess. But now that I have seen her, and she attaches some value to me (I'm the right age range to possibly marry her, am single, live in the US and can offer a visa, not terrible looking and am a white dude), suddenly she's both trying to squeeze me to buy her thousands of dollars of washing equipment and furniture and offering lower prices when I show signs of considering other girls. It's rather interesting how bipolar it is.

300 a day for 10 days in a row. 3000 dollars is equal to or more than a girl can earn as a waiter in whole year. Just saying'. Now, what I find interesting is that you don’t get rewarded for overpaying.

[AntonySun1996]

Thank you for the list. Quick comment: for an apples to apples comparison, let's suppose you have a strong innate preference for white girls over other ethnicities. So that shrinks your list down. And Moscow is at a high price point than Kiev. A girl of the same hotness for the same time is probably 50% more to double. Anyways I appreciate your legwork. I will google each of these locations and see if any are primarily of the same ethnicity and cost levels as Kiev.

In non-white cities you can still find white hotties, most of whom came from Russia and Ukraine, in clubs. In many cities in China there are Slavic girls working in karaokes, and some of them are pretty hot.

[AntonySun1996]

Antony, Dobo has apartments that right now cost 25-40 USD a night. (I paid 30). And the one I am staying in has several rooms, nice stylish furniture, is very close to the city center, and the staff of the rental agency are extremely helpful and speak English. And it's not even in the same building as the rental agency, there's total privacy. And a king sized bed and a jacuzzi. I am not sure what benefits a hotel can offer over this.

Thank you for the information. Would share the link to the apartment you mentioned please?

[Habeed]

So what's interesting I have learned is with Ukrainians, there's no such thing as a "done deal" or a fixed price. Though this can go both ways. With this girl, picture attached this time, we agreed on $300 US a day for 10 days, and she agreed to spend her time not at work with me. Like a couple I guess. But now that I have seen her, and she attaches some value to me (I'm the right age range to possibly marry her, am single, live in the US and can offer a visa, not terrible looking and am a white dude), suddenly she's both trying to squeeze me to buy her thousands of dollars of washing equipment and furniture and offering lower prices when I show signs of considering other girls. It's rather interesting how bipolar it is.

[Habeed]

I will come to Kiev again soon in December and I'm considering staying in this place.

I'm wondering if I would have problem taking my girls inside. Some are working girls some are semi pros. Has anyone had any experience in this hotel? Any information would be appreciated.

Antony, Dobo has apartments that right now cost 25-40 USD a night. (I paid 30). And the one I am staying in has several rooms, nice stylish furniture, is very close to the city center, and the staff of the rental agency are extremely helpful and speak English. And it's not even in the same building as the rental agency, there's total privacy. And a king sized bed and a jacuzzi. I am not sure what benefits a hotel can offer over this.

[Habeed]

Your welcome. If you would like to have sex with a more beautiful girl than you can in Kiev for money, see list below. If you are looking for a long term relationship with a Ukrainian girl, ignore list below.

Club Vive. Madrid.

Brix. Singapore.

Premier. Dubai.

Pigmalion. Madrid.

Club Aphrodisia. Zurich.

New Scandalo. Malaga..

Thank you for the list. Quick comment: for an apples to apples comparison, let's suppose you have a strong innate preference for white girls over other ethnicities. So that shrinks your list down. And Moscow is at a high price point than Kiev. A girl of the same hotness for the same time is probably 50% more to double. Anyways I appreciate your legwork. I will google each of these locations and see if any are primarily of the same ethnicity and cost levels as Kiev.

[Habeed]

So I saw the girl I thought was a 6. Her pictures were misleading, or maybe she is one of the rare people who goes on a weight loss campaign and actually does it. I'd say she was a 7, maybe 8. I had a better experience with her than any prostitute or sugar baby I have ever met in the United States. Or heck, regular girl. She really worked for that grivna. I mean the main difference was during the 2 hours we had sex (we then went out for dinner after) she actually kept going. Not quitting in the middle because she is slightly sore or a little tired like an American girl (at least the ones I have personally fucked, I only have sampled so many). But she probably didn't do anything that would impress you jaded veterans of the forum, all she did was be very clingy and intimate and dance for me naked and give me a back massage and act like I was giving her an amazing time and basically she didn't do anything that a hooker wouldn't normally do, she was just hotter and more enthusiastic about it, as well as not expecting to be able to just slack off and be lazy after the first time I came.

[AntonySun1996]

I will come to Kiev again soon in December and I'm considering staying in this place.

I'm wondering if I would have problem taking my girls inside. Some are working girls some are semi pros. Has anyone had any experience in this hotel? Any information would be appreciated.

[MagicSheep74]

One nasty problem I have seen in this forum thread: if you are a poster who thinks UK is a rip-off / not available hot girls: name the alternative! I can always book my next vacation there. But don't just badmouth this place unless you KNOW a better one.

Your welcome. If you would like to have sex with a more beautiful girl than you can in Kiev for money, see list below. If you are looking for a long term relationship with a Ukrainian girl, ignore list below.

Club Vive. Madrid.

Brix. Singapore.

Premier. Dubai.

Pigmalion. Madrid.

Club Aphrodisia. Zurich.

New Scandalo. Malaga.

Club Globe. Zurich.

Spasso. Bangkok.

Estark 92 - Malaga Spain.

girlsbcn.com - Barcelona.

Scandallo + Cafe Photo. Sao Paulo Brazil.

FKK Oase. Germany.

Escort privada. Lisbon.

911- Aurora. Moscow.

[PhotoSlider]

From my own experience its 2000 UAH + 200 for taxi for an hour (approximately 72 $). In Comparison, multiply by 3 its 211 $ for 3 hours with a girl from Rio. Am just doing the math here be aware that this doesn't include entrance and drinks in the club. But I should mention again that in Rio you don't have the option of 1 or 2 hour, you only get 3 or more.

Negotiations at Rio before the departure establish the length of stay. Could be 2 hours, or could be "till the morning" - which often is interpreted as 5-6 am, and maybe no intercourse upon wake up.

Agency girls tried to extort from me 200 Taxi fee. I insisted on 100, stating that I am a long term customer with special arrangement, and if they don't like it, they can leave. 21 times 100 I get another girl)). My consolidation agency supports me. Besides all agencies are within 100 UAH reach, and I don't care about paying for round trip.

At the same time 9 hours ago I gave 500 tip to a 8-9 girl. There was a nonstop DFK, BBBJ, 69 and great love making in multiple positions all for 1800+100+that tip. I couldn't extend beyond one hour as I had obligations with another young lady this morning. I also gave her that hand lotion that Riina recommended as a small gift.

[Gsi2810]

You will have fun. If you don't embark with expectations of 9's and 10's you won't set yourself up for disappointment. There are beautiful women everywhere in Kiev. Many of them need money and they are open sexually. This is what I like about Kiev as my meetings (mostly off Mamba) include some "getting to know you" time that is off the clock. This is rare in mongering where one hour usually means 60 minutes only. In my experience the women are normally open to be wined and dined off the clock. I rarely ever repeat with escorts but every trip to Kiev I usually meet up with the same ladies several times.

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From my own experience its 2000 UAH + 200 for taxi for an hour (approximately 72 $). In Comparison, multiply by 3 its 211 $ for 3 hours with a girl from Rio. Am just doing the math here be aware that this doesn't include entrance and drinks in the club. But I should mention again that in Rio you don't have the option of 1 or 2 hour, you only get 3 or more.

It all depends on your budget and your needs (and taste ofc). For example, I would invest in a beautiful girl who is also sweet for few hours or maybe even the night rather than having an every day (I don't want to sound objectifying) decent girl.

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Thank you gentlemen, I still have a over half a year left before my trip will keep this message acrhived for future references. Cheers!

I don't want to seem ungrateful or greedy or someone who doesn't do research but I would be very obliged if we can have a conversation about this, if any of you gentlemen have any tips for Moscow as well unlike Kiev forum I have only read a couple of pages there. My summer 2019 will boil down to Moscow or Kiev. I gather that Moscow is far more expensive but English speaking is a bit common and as one poster said "the level of pussy walking down the street is incredible" Haha.

But the prices seem out of the world, 300 $ or near-about. My obsession with salvic girls began when I first visited Pattaya a few years back. Thai girls are great and all but the girls at the Russian clubs stole my heart with their beauty (of course there were a lot of Ukranian women there as well). The prices quoted in those clubs seemed obscene we are talking 500 $ for an hour or maybe it was 2 hours. The girls of course were stunning, if I were to wear my cheap charlie hat, a flight to BKK and then Pattaya (quite a cheap city) and hotel there is a quite cheap so is it actually worth going to someplace like Pattaya and mongering with the Russian / Ukrainian girls there? I remember reading a post in a forum which stressed that one should never monger with expats and always stick to locals for a better experience.