German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Trombone]

25 k a year just on the FKK scene? Respectable.

Last year I started to keep close track of my mongering expenses (not limited to FKK land though) including flights, lodging, car rental, gas, etc. I was really shocked of how much I was spending; way way more than I thought. I have slowed down since then and am very careful now with how and when I spend it. You may not realize how much you are spending until you keep track.

[Takedown]

Yeah duh! We get that part. So, does a guy who goes on and on about how he respects women (when seemingly so many others don't according to him) turns around and seeks to perform ATM (ass-to-mouth) sex with a prostitute, is that somebody who truly respects women? Or just a sanctimonious somebody holding himself out to be better than virtually everybody else when he isn't so, and may be even worse in some respects? I think the latter. That was my point.

Not that I even do ATM but doing that does not negate respect. It's a "perverse" sexual act that can just be perceived as erotic, a fetish even. If the same guy is turned on by having a girl shit on his stomach, I'm guessing he doesn't feel disrespected.

What I was talking about was just basic respect that is obviously often not given. Common claims like, "I only see value in young women before they are old and fucked. " Or things like, "these tutes should be grateful for my 50 euro because they are from poor countries because I am providing them aid. " That's the ethno-socio-economic prejudice and sexism that I am talking about. Those people obviously are implying that there are tiers of human beings based on gender and socio-economic background.

[Takedown]

I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.

https://youtu.be/r8M4TXLYJ6w

The idea is that eventually we will all have a medical kit at home using machine learning like ibm Watson, do some tests, upload them and then get prescriptions and best approach result shown to you.

I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.

Sorry but Watson is not AI. In that application, it's still just a tool used to integrate data, a tool that must be used by trained professionals. All of the data integration in the world can't replace human clinical assessment because symptoms are subjective. If you think data integration is all that is required to practice medicine, you don't understand medicine and shouldn't be practicing it. Computers without technician assessment can't even diagnose automobile problems reliably and you think it can integrate human anatomy, physiology, and pathology to diagnose and treat your medical conditions without train professionals? That's how people die; or get butt herpes.

[Mr Ho]

The crux of what I'm talking about is people (could be a man or a woman) who go on and on acting like they are "better" than most anybody else because they act towards others in a more respectful manner. But when you look at what they actually do versus what they say, you realize that they are essentially being self-serving hypocrites who aren't any better and certainly don't hold the moral high ground they stake claim to.

Sooner we men admit that the deep inside, we are nothing much more than another hentai wondering around on this planet earth. , easier life become for men. It is just that we cannot admit that in public, so we come to sex forum, yet, in this sex forum, we often get many guys who claim to be I am different to other mongers LOL. Well, we are all same mongers in same cave, some slightly worst than others with very small differences in what we are doing.

[Takedown]

25 k a year just on the FKK scene?

Respectable.

Kinda sorta. 25-30 K USD includes travel logistics plus 3-4 day side excursions within an FKK trip to destinations where I don't monger. Actual money spent in clubs is more like 15-20 K.

I do have local friends that I monger with who probably spend over 30 K USD. Then there are monthly fly in mongers from the US who I suspect spend closer to 40 K USD on FKK scene alone.

That's a lot of words for saying absolutely nothing, but its OK, we all make mistakes.

In my experience, the majority of fly in mongers are internally angry, social weirdos. I suggest more FKK trips and possibly make use of the time outside of the room to hone in some social skills.

[The Cane]

What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".

The crux of what I'm talking about is people (could be a man or a woman) who go on and on acting like they are "better" than most anybody else because they act towards others in a more respectful manner. But when you look at what they actually do versus what they say, you realize that they are essentially being self-serving hypocrites who aren't any better and certainly don't hold the moral high ground they stake claim to.

[ShooBree]

In short:

"They language they're speaking is a language of subtlety. Apparently it's something you don't understand." -Lois Griffin.

That's a lot of words for saying absolutely nothing, but its OK, we all make mistakes.

[Pistons]

What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".

According to modern neoliberal justice practices, it doesn't matter what actions you or she makes. What matters is the perceived pretense of a potential possible action. Based on perceived preliminary ideas and statements. Not restricted to words, but also implied as a single impulse and how a random person subjectively reconstruct it.

For this, you can go to jail and get a death sentence. And you don't even need to travel across half the world. You can get the cops knocking on your door due to a comment on reddit. Or a glance at a woman's butt.

[Polyamorist]

So, does a guy who goes on and on about how he respects women (when seemingly so many others don't according to him) turns around and seeks to perform ATM (ass-to-mouth) sex with a prostitute, is that somebody who truly respects women?

What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".

[Pistons]

Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.

This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.

I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.

https://youtu.be/r8M4TXLYJ6w

The idea is that eventually we will all have a medical kit at home using machine learning like ibm Watson, do some tests, upload them and then get prescriptions and best approach result shown to you.

I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.

[Pistons]

Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.

This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.

I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.

I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.

[Mr Ho]

Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.

This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.

I understood that you are in health care business and I am not, but I tend to give a lot of respect for certain occupations that actually help people like doctors as you mentioned. In one way, prostitutes too because they give men life lasting memories that we may not forget and as I said before I respect some girls I met in FKK for being / remaining really good heart person in such a hard situation they must be in life.

However, we get this in this sex forum a lot, but this is sex forum, so I think it is not right place to discuss moral or how some mongers are right human being than others in FKK or how some monger do not understand medical complexity of modern world etc.

This is sex forum and as much as some may like to think they are prompt than others, we are all in same cave and we are here to discuss sex, brothels, and related topics and only medical care I care related to FKK or sex forum is std and some wonderful medicines like Cialis LOL.

Beautiful prostitutes are my doctors too, they keep me sane in this insane world and gives me memories that echoes in eternity, I think right beautiful prostitutes fix more mental side of health than doctors can and in part, they even fix physical side too.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

I'm a fly in monger and don't have a hard budget but my yearly expenditure always comes out to around $25-30 K USD including travel and logistics. That's a respectable sum of money on this hobby but also a bit modest because that figure includes side excursions to non-mongering destinations. I'm pretty frugal with my accommodations and balance expensive Hessen days with cheaper days in clubs like Acapulco. I've never spent more than this on this hobby and foresee myself spending less as I find myself doing less and less girls every year because I spend more and more rooms with known commodities rather than trying as many girls as possible.

As for money directly spent in clubs, my average spend per day has reduced from 500 USD (plus or minus 100 USD) to around 350 USD (plus or minus 150 USD) for 40-50 club visits per year. I'm attempting to reduce my visits to around 35 days in 2019.

25 k a year just on the FKK scene?

Respectable.

[Polyamorist]

I don't think this is jealousy; they were mad just because they wanted that money spent on them rather than another girl.

Exactly! It's a form of superficial jealousy which is really self-interest disguised as jealousy: but all forms of jealousy boil down to selfishness ultimately.

In economics, monopolistic tactics artificially twist the market to favor the threatening party. Monogamy works the same way! In fact, I think corporations study the tactics of women to get a better grip on their employees and that is why they will get female HR managers. You will see the same tactics like intermittent punishments for barely understood transgressions.

[Trombone]

I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.

I don't think this is jealousy; they were mad just because they wanted that money spent on them rather than another girl.