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[Syzygies]

I find cumming inside a girl to be anti-climactic. I need a grand finish for full satisfaction.

Quirky what turns guys on. While I have cum on the girl's body many times, it does absolutely zero for my satisfaction levels. It is just messy muck to be cleaned up to me. Like ET, I would enjoy CIP more so. Never wanted to COF at all. It shows a need to degrade the girl.

[Syzygies]

And on the Soi 4/Nana Hotel parking lot deaf girls option you mentioned, both of the two deaf girls I have approached and requested BBFS+CIP from in the past few months agreed to it for a higher fee. One agreed for 1,500 baht vs her opening quote of 1,000 baht. Another agreed for 2,500 baht! LOL. But I did not negotiate a better price with that one because I was so tickled and pleased with how quickly she changed her written starting point of 1,500 baht to 2,500 baht practically before I finished typing out the words "no condom" on my phone. I just laughed and mimed ok let's go.

However, I am not so interested in doing a deaf girl again. They're just too deep in another world and the sex was horribly mechanical. Maybe just two bad experiences. But they were enough to satisfy my curiosity.

Yes I was more interested in overall success rate, not specifically getting a BBFS, but getting a good experience on Soi 4. So horribly mechanical sounds like a miss to me. Success to me means would repeat it. I did not find a girl worth repeating that often on Soi 4. Thanks for the overall info. A useful post.

They day I wanted a signing girl, there were about 5 or 6 of them I think, certainly more than 2, so I think some were not the usual ones I have seen more regularly.

[EihTooms]

I often prefer a girl to suck my balls and tongue my ass while I jerk off, then cum in her face, over a straight BJ. Is it only masterbation if you also have a girl sucking your balls and sticking her tongue in you ass at the same time? I think not.

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I would say yes, unless you can get off with just the ball sucking and rimming and your hand on your dick is only to keep it out of the way or something. Also, I'm guessing the girl has to stop sucking your balls and rimming your ass at the point of your orgasm in order to move into position to take the face shot you're going to give her from masturbating, right? Or you do the moving into position and thereby pull away from her mouth on your balls or anus. In which case, imo it is definitely masturbation but with some oral foreplay on adjacent areas thrown in.

See, I am a stickler for the sex act being defined by the way it ends exactly at the point of your orgasm, not by what happens before the end. Pretty much the way virtually all P4P girls define and charge for it.

Mandarin bar in Nana Square. The girls there have always provided BBFS. The other bar is Sexy Nights in Nana Square.

Yes to both. But I have not pulled from Sexy Nights in ages. And I have had considerable success in Billboard, Twister BKK, Enter, Butterflies and Exotica in Nana Plaza, Long Gun, Suzie Wong and Cactus Bar on Soi Cowboy. Although I would not go so far as to suggest ALL the girls in any of those bars you and I mentioned will agree to it with me. Not even close. Only some.

[Smoothy]

For what I term True GFE, particularly BBFS, I have had success on Soi 4, Sukhumvit, go-go bars, Thermae, on dating sites, beer bars and just meeting regular girls in restaurants and shopping malls.

Mandarin bar in Nana Square. The girls there have always provided BBFS. The other bar is Sexy Nights in Nana Square.

[Smoothy]

I have to essentially jerk myself off to and through the finish in order to shoot it wherever my chosen target is this time. No matter how you look at it and where the cum lands, that's masturbation.

I often prefer a girl to suck my balls and tongue my ass while I jerk off, then cum in her face, over a straight BJ. Is it only masterbation if you also have a girl sucking your balls and sticking her tongue in you ass at the same time? I think not.

As far as pulling out just before cumming, it takes about 2 seconds after I pull out before I cum on the girl. That's far from masterbation.

I find cumming inside a girl to be anti-climactic. I need a grand finish for full satisfaction.

[EihTooms]

In my opinion, CIP and/or CIM is a wasted effort. I like to video. If I don't cum on the girl's body or face, I don't even consider it to have been a sexual encounter. It's a turn on to see my jizz on the chick, why would I waste it in a place I can't see it?

I can't get past the fact that in order to cum on a girl's body or face, I not only have to pull out of the very warm, wet, snug, wrap-around orifice that GOT me to the point of cumming in the first place and at the worst possible moment, but now I have to essentially jerk myself off to and through the finish in order to shoot it wherever my chosen target is this time. No matter how you look at it and where the cum lands, that's masturbation. And that is aside from the fact that I don't get a thrill out of seeing my cum ON a girl. Am even bored by the images of it in porn.

LOL. Hell, I hated and resented having to masturbate when there were few other financially viable and agreeable options back in the USA. No way will I settle for that now that I have uprooted my life, divested myself of most worldly possessions and separated myself from my old friends and relatives to live out this last quarter at best of my life in Bangkok!

However, different strokes for different folks, of course. Enjoy.

[EihTooms]

Just out of curiosity, I have taken girls from street in Soi 4 and outside bars in Soi 4 so considered them better talent than beer Garden. However not great success rates with girls on the street in Soi 4 for getting a great GFE, but possible. So I wondered if you also had bad success rates on Soi 4 or better than beer garden? I did not try to get BBFS there so far, but had thought about it as an option, perhaps a risky one. I have got BB from more reliable sources who get tested for certain.

The risk is not my intended topic, but more like if get girls who give a really good time and possibly BBFS there.

My last attempt on Soi 4, the girl was skinny, quite stunning, very hot ass, and I think a deaf mute (signing), but she knocked me back and tried to push me onto her friend who was 2 or 3 points lower score for looks. Not sure why. My age maybe? Or perhaps she was not yet 18. I don't know. Could have been the bait and switch strategy. She could have communicated easy by typing Thai on her phone. When I can't get the best girl, I rarely settle on another inferior one.

For what I term True GFE, particularly BBFS, I have had success on Soi 4, Sukhumvit, go-go bars, Thermae, on dating sites, beer bars and just meeting regular girls in restaurants and shopping malls. Where I have failed miserably is in massage shops (although I can improve my success rate if I take them OUT of the shop and bring them back to my room), Beer Garden Soi 7 and almost anywhere in Pattaya. LOL.

Mind you, my style is to get a BBFS+CIP agreement from the girl upfront or, as a possible fall back, a BBBJ+CIM agreement, before paying the barfine or taking the girl. I do not "go with the flow and see what happens in the room", although I am occasionally testing a new "go with the flow" method for just one venue; Thermae. But I'll save that for a different post. And, bear in mind, I have indeed had a vasectomy and will always have a recent HIV blood test document on hand to show IF the conversation goes there. It does on occasion.

I had estimated a few years ago that my success rate in getting EITHER a BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM with a suitably attractive girl by "going with the flow and see what happens in the room" and not getting an upfront agreement was no better than a dismal 20-25%. Which means a whopping 75%+ of the time I was going to wind up with no intercourse at all since engaging and finishing an act of vaginal intercourse wearing a condom has been impossible for me except for one time when I was about 20 years old, 45 years ago. Yet, not having confirmed anything upfront, I never felt I was entitled to withhold or drastically reduce payment of the going rate. After all, if I had not gotten an upfront agreement, I had no right to expect her to provide anything more than the general standard basic fare of lick around the edges, if that, cap on and proceed. I also had no right to think she'd misled me and withhold or reduce payment for that. She hadn't misled me if I hadn't told her the only two ways she could earn any money from me this night and held out for a clear agreement from her for it.

Anyway, I would say my success rate in getting girls to whom I am attracted and with whom I feel some essential sexual chemistry in those above venues to agree upfront to a True GFE (by far, mostly BBFS+CIP) and for a cost no more than, say, 500-1000 baht more than the going rate, is about 65-70%. 1000 baht more would be rare, but has happened. Most of the time it happens for no additional cost than the going rate. That is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of my "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" rate of success.

Here are a few things I have learned about getting a Thai P4P girl to agree upfront to BBFS+CIP with me (impossible for me to know how it is for others); Contrary to almost everything I'd heard and thought, it is EASIER to get it from younger, slimmer, better looking girls than from dumpy, older ladies. Contrary to almost everything I'd heard and thought, it is EASIER to get it from go-go dancers than from Freelancers on the street, girls in beer bars or those who work in massage shops, even the so-called PSE ones touted so highly for supposedly sex-crazed girls on these forums. Contrary to almost everything I'd heard and thought, it is EASIER to get it from better educated, more English-fluent girls than from the opposite types.

And on the Soi 4/Nana Hotel parking lot deaf girls option you mentioned, both of the two deaf girls I have approached and requested BBFS+CIP from in the past few months agreed to it for a higher fee. One agreed for 1,500 baht vs her opening quote of 1,000 baht. Another agreed for 2,500 baht! LOL. But I did not negotiate a better price with that one because I was so tickled and pleased with how quickly she changed her written starting point of 1,500 baht to 2,500 baht practically before I finished typing out the words "no condom" on my phone. I just laughed and mimed ok let's go.

However, I am not so interested in doing a deaf girl again. They're just too deep in another world and the sex was horribly mechanical. Maybe just two bad experiences. But they were enough to satisfy my curiosity.

[Turgid]

I grew up spending many parts of my summer in Hong Kong in mid 60's after I had got my cherry popped and made it a regular vacation spot.............

No f..king way!! You vacationed in World of Suzy Wong Hong Kong? The mongering there was reputed to have been the pinnacle of world 20th century mongering second possibly only to 1920's Berlin which was probably only raunchier. Ever since I was a lad in the 60's I had fantasized about being in early 60's Hong Kong, with loads of money of course.

[Catire]

Again I find humor in what you are saying. Example: "I don't like sloppy seconds, not even from myself." That is an instant classic. So rock on my friend! It's all good.

I too find it very hard to pull out of a pussy even when I promised a girl I would do so beforehand. One sweet little Pinay I knew smiled and said I was a "bad boy" when I failed to pull out of her the 1st time we were together. She apparently forgave me, however. We had several bareback sessions over the course of following week.

Thai girl are not so forgiving. I had this "accident" happen to me once, and it was honestly a complete accident.

The girl got seriously pissed at me (and I don't blame her). It took me some time to regain her trust, but we had known each other beforehand, so she could more readily accept my apologies and explanation that it was a complete accident.

[Member #4698]

I may have been conditioned by those pornos, I admit I have watched a few over the years.

The CIM thing I consider the biggest waste. You can easily pull out and shoot all over her face.

It's a little more effort to pull out of her pussy and cum on her face or body, but not that much. The videos I have where I cum inside the girl, I just delete them because I find them boring. It's extremely sexy to see a girl coated in cum.

Another reason it's better to finish outside is if you want a 2nd round. I don't like sloppy seconds, not even from myself.

Again I find humor in what you are saying. Example: "I don't like sloppy seconds, not even from myself." That is an instant classic. So rock on my friend! It's all good.

I too find it very hard to pull out of a pussy even when I promised a girl I would do so beforehand. One sweet little Pinay I knew smiled and said I was a "bad boy" when I failed to pull out of her the 1st time we were together. She apparently forgave me, however. We had several bareback sessions over the course of following week.

[Member #4698]

Hi Natty,

Yes, the quality is not always that good but the price is right. I have had several girls from Biergarten including a real busty one that I saw several times. Lost her number and geez I miss her. Man, she gave me a body bath with her tongue that was incredible.

Hi D Cups, as I am sure you know, the prices are roughly equivalent for the girls in other drink bars. There is a lot to choose from in BKK and 30 something year old FL girls can be really nice and give excellent service.

On large breasted girls:

You know that most of the time I prefer small natural breasted, no fat, spinners, but when I was in Macau on the last leg of my 2018 trip and I selected a great looking, tall (5' 8") very thin, Chinese girl with LARGE NATURAL TITS. I think you would have liked her. I did. Great service and I repeated twice with her. Viva la variety!

[Smoothy]

Then somehow it caught on with a certain segment of the viewing public including YOU.

I may have been conditioned by those pornos, I admit I have watched a few over the years.

The CIM thing I consider the biggest waste. You can easily pull out and shoot all over her face.

It's a little more effort to pull out of her pussy and cum on her face or body, but not that much. The videos I have where I cum inside the girl, I just delete them because I find them boring. It's extremely sexy to see a girl coated in cum.

Another reason it's better to finish outside is if you want a 2nd round. I don't like sloppy seconds, not even from myself.

[Member #4698]

In my opinion, CIP and/or CIM is a wasted effort. I like to video. If I don't cum on the girl's body or face, I don't even consider it to have been a sexual encounter. It's a turn on to see my jizz on the chick, why would I waste it in a place I can't see it?

Smoothy, your post made me laugh. It is so completely opposite to my own deeply held feeling that CIM, cum anywhere except in the vagina is a waste of my precious bodily fluids. OK, I will concede that Cuming in a girl's ass hole is good too, although not as good as in her vagina unless her vagina is a cave. 555.

I think this whole take your dick out of her vagina so you can ejaculate on camera is total FAKE Hollywood. Originally it was only done in the porn videos to prove the sex was real. This is made clear in a scene from "Boogie Nights". Then somehow it caught on with a certain segment of the viewing public including YOU. LOL. No offence intended. I get it. You like to watch your own videos.

Anyway, when I am engaging in sexual congress, the last thing I want to do is break the rhythm/ break my feeling of euphoria and pull out to ejaculate during the last few seconds so's I can see my cum shoot all over a girl. Call me old school if you want, but I'm with Bill Clinton on this, it ain't sex if I don't cum in her vagina. (Just paraphrasing good ol' Bill, of course.) Opinions will vary.

[Smoothy]

(for me that is either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM)

In my opinion, CIP and/or CIM is a wasted effort. I like to video. If I don't cum on the girl's body or face, I don't even consider it to have been a sexual encounter. It's a turn on to see my jizz on the chick, why would I waste it in a place I can't see it?

[Syzygies]

I hadn't gone to Beer Garden Soi 7 to check out a possible P4P lady in at least a year because my success rate in scoring a required True GFE (for me that is either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM) with an attractive lady in there has been 0 for 25 or so attempts in the 6-7 years I have lived less than a 15 minute walk from the place.

Just out of curiosity, I have taken girls from street in Soi 4 and outside bars in Soi 4 so considered them better talent than beer Garden. However not great success rates with girls on the street in Soi 4 for getting a great GFE, but possible. So I wondered if you also had bad success rates on Soi 4 or better than beer garden? I did not try to get BBFS there so far, but had thought about it as an option, perhaps a risky one. I have got BB from more reliable sources who get tested for certain.

The risk is not my intended topic, but more like if get girls who give a really good time and possibly BBFS there.

My last attempt on Soi 4, the girl was skinny, quite stunning, very hot ass, and I think a deaf mute (signing), but she knocked me back and tried to push me onto her friend who was 2 or 3 points lower score for looks. Not sure why. My age maybe? Or perhaps she was not yet 18. I don't know. Could have been the bait and switch strategy. She could have communicated easy by typing Thai on her phone. When I can't get the best girl, I rarely settle on another inferior one.