Kyiv

[Arkiloko]

Does anybody knows or ever tried golden-pantera? I see a lot of ads. I think they have many salons in Kiev, and you can order a girl for your hotel.

[Tomster99]

Hey,

Thanks buddy!

Will have to do the testings back home though. As my visits are usually only 1 week or so and I am spending them all week with some action.

So. There will be some chances of catching stuff even in the last few days.

Probably will do some testing around:

HIV, Syphilis, Chlamydien, Gonorrhoe.

I think that covers UA-risks to 99%, I guess?

Here is one within the reach from donwtown:

https://kyiv.amcenters.com/programs/...s-std-package/

$180.

They speak good English.

I didn't try them myself. I believe Kozerog or someone else had used much more affordable lab. I would expect sufficient diagnostics available for 1000 UAH or 40 USD. Make sure they can forward the results to you in PDF via email or something.

Doctors in Kiev were giving me their Viber / WhatsApp contacts easily. For professional reasons. And provided free consulting while I was away from Ukraine.

[Member #4722]

$5000 is crazily insane. I am seeing this girl from Mamba every time I am in Kiev. She is a semi-pro and there are tons of them. No need to invest up front.

PM me if you have other girl info to share with me.

Nice job she is cute!

[Wingwang]

As I said, this girl getting $5000 USD FOR TWO WEEKS, ought to be able to find some of her friends and give them each 1000-2000 UAH whenever this silly guy wants to have sex and she doe snot feel like it. I have had some of my regulars sometimes invite their friends when they were not available, and I was just paying regular prices.

But of course, this girl's plan is to provide as little as possible for the $5000 she received. Why not, if she has found herself the most spineless foreign sex tourist in Kiev. Women are attracted by confidence, and do not respect men who allow themselves to be used as walking wallets. The few times she gives him sex, she is probably disgusted.

$5000 is crazily insane. I am seeing this girl from Mamba every time I am in Kiev. She is a semi-pro and there are tons of them. No need to invest up front.

PM me if you have other girl info to share with me.

[PhotoSlider]

I don't care for BBFS, but enjoy BBBJ's a lot.

The risk there is mainly bacterial in my understandings. What tests would you suggest then going back home again?

Here is one within the reach from donwtown:

https://kyiv.amcenters.com/programs/...s-std-package/

$180.

They speak good English.

I didn't try them myself. I believe Kozerog or someone else had used much more affordable lab. I would expect sufficient diagnostics available for 1000 UAH or 40 USD. Make sure they can forward the results to you in PDF via email or something.

Doctors in Kiev were giving me their Viber / WhatsApp contacts easily. For professional reasons. And provided free consulting while I was away from Ukraine.

[PhotoSlider]

I don't care for BBFS, but enjoy BBBJ's a lot.

The risk there is mainly bacterial in my understandings. What tests would you suggest then going back home again?

I am native speaker and go to medikom. Ua.

Sometimes I hand pick girls and take them there.

You most likely will need an interpreter / escort, supposedly there is some level of English, but I wouldn't rely on it.

For under 3000 UAH out of pocket, no insurance, you can do the following STD package:

Mycoplasma genitalium.

Mycoplasma hominis.

Microscopy / Cell culture.

Identifying antibiotics resistance / sensitivity.

Cyphilis / antibodies to Treponema pallidum.

Ureaplasma urealiticum.

Chlamidia trachomatis.

It is expensive private clinic. One can go to a cheaper lab. There are plenty downtown Kiev.

The above is done by sticking a cotton swab up the penis. It is rather unpleasant. I tried having sex in about 6-8 hours the same day with the lady I knew, it did hurt, and she was disappointed.

I also did blood test for:

Hepatitis of various types.

HIV.

Overall biochemistry, etc.

There are other clinics with English versions of websites:

Oberig. Ua.

Dobrobut.com

I doubt many of short term visitors, and even long term, not residing in Kiev, could allocate a week of their mongering time, and not have sex before the departure.

Therefore, choices are multiple:

1. No testing, and fuck in Kiev bare back everything that moves or crawls including 80 years old ladies and truck stop lizards.

2. No GF back home.

3. Move to Kiev permanently.

4. Play the game of chances.

I do number 4. Would prefer number 3.

Can I lower the risk by getting the girls from more expensive agencies? Not necessarily.

[Tomster99]

I don't care for BBFS, but enjoy BBBJ's a lot.

The risk there is mainly bacterial in my understandings. What tests would you suggest then going back home again?

Few aspects exist here:

0. Go for BBFS, and no testing at all. Ukrainian style.

1. Testing so that you stay healthy.

2. Testing so that you do not infect your local GF.

3. Play completely protected, and no FDK, no DATY, no nothing. Or even no sex at all. That would be western style. Most likely no testing needed. There is a chance of getting skin infection, but that may happen even in German or British gym.

4. Testing in Kiev.

5. Testing back home.

For 1 and 2 you would need to stay celibate for a few days before and after testing.

[DramaFree11]

I might take a trip there in June.

I read on another forum that the Caribbean Club has freebies and low end hookers?

From a thread on UK Punting forum.

Any thoughts?

Not a good place, below average, but your best option during the week. Better places on Friday night, but night life in Kiev is poor in general in Kiev now.

[Wanking]

I might take a trip there in June.

I read on another forum that the Caribbean Club has freebies and low end hookers?

From a thread on UK Punting forum.

Caribbean Club, Lower end, wear pretty much anything except sportswear and you’ll be allowed in. More of a cabaret type club with singers and dancers at various intervals on some nights. Quite a few prostitutes here and some very hard to spot some until they whisper in your ear how much they charge (which is pretty early on so you don’t waste your time and theirs). Some are even paid for by the club itself as you need to pay the club a commission on their services. Prices ranged between 2,500 and 4,000 (£68/£115) for the girls for 2/3 hours. The ones who stand out as prostitutes are the higher end and the ones who just look like girl-next-door girls are at the lower end.
However there are also plenty of local girls looking to hookup which won’t cost you anything except a 200 (£5) taxi fair to send them home in the morning! Had plenty of luck here without paying for it but good luck in working out who’s who! I’d say 50% of the girls I spoke to here could understand English.

Any thoughts?

[DramaFree11]

It seems from the reports the official pay-for scene is not really so juicy. What is your experience for using the dating apps (Tinder, Badoo) and going through the route of almost typical wine and dining with a positive ending? Perhaps more success then attempting toin with the formal and public scene? Will be visiting Kiev soon and curious on the approach I should best follow.

Complete waste of time. Just pay, but that is not much better.

[PhotoSlider]

This is exactly what my friend also mentioned. This is why there seems to be much more widely spread STD cases than anywhere else.

I wonder how you guys visiting often go about it? Do you do regular testing? For what STD's in particular? Not afraid of spreading?

Thing is: I am single, but also have a GF locally (western Europe) once a while where I will have unprotected sex. So: anyone having a "80/20 approach" on how to deal with that?

Few aspects exist here:

0. Go for BBFS, and no testing at all. Ukrainian style.

1. Testing so that you stay healthy.

2. Testing so that you do not infect your local GF.

3. Play completely protected, and no FDK, no DATY, no nothing. Or even no sex at all. That would be western style. Most likely no testing needed. There is a chance of getting skin infection, but that may happen even in German or British gym.

4. Testing in Kiev.

5. Testing back home.

For 1 and 2 you would need to stay celibate for a few days before and after testing.

Before because there is a certain incubation period that varies for infections of different type: viral, bacterial, fungal, protozoan, etcetera. You may get infected by having sex in the morning right before going for testing, and since the infecting cells count is still low testing will not detect it.

After because likewise you may get infected after testing before the departure from mongering destination.

Also, keep in mind that some of the tests take about 3 days or more before providing the result. Therefore getting tested on the last day is okay as long as your GF agrees to postpone sex for a week.

Also, some prefer buying antibiotics and maybe even shots in Ukraine. Some of the treatments can be started in Ukraine.

And even with the above precautions it is all about the game of probabilities. Different categories of sex and different categories of ladies pose different risk degrees.

I like DFK, DATY, but do not care about BBBJ, and do not want BBFS. YMMV, and that's fine, as long as nobody is abused.

[Mrhardeep1]

It seems from the reports the official pay-for scene is not really so juicy. What is your experience for using the dating apps (Tinder, Badoo) and going through the route of almost typical wine and dining with a positive ending? Perhaps more success then attempting to win with the formal and public scene? Will be visiting Kiev soon and curious on the approach I should best follow.

[Tomster99]

The open secret is: Ukrainian men do not accept sex with a condom. You can ask all women. No matter if the sex is private or for money.

Sex is treated like all other things in Ukraine as well. People do not think about what can be in one or ten years. No money for rent and food. But the latest iPhone in the bag.

With your ideas you think like a man from the west. With house. Money in the bank. Safe job. Not like a person living in ukraine.

This is exactly what my friend also mentioned. This is why there seems to be much more widely spread STD cases than anywhere else.

I wonder how you guys visiting often go about it? Do you do regular testing? For what STD's in particular? Not afraid of spreading?

Thing is: I am single, but also have a GF locally (western Europe) once a while where I will have unprotected sex. So: anyone having a "80/20 approach" on how to deal with that?

Would be interesting to share.

[Muddy7]

Best girl I met at RIO, Rose was awesome, bare back blowjob, CIM, met her 3 years ago, every time I visit Kiev I call her and see her, save money and time, don't have to spend time and visit Rio, pretty face 8, and body 8, she's worth it because of her looks and super service, gave me her number the 2nd time I took her home from RIO, she's right, "why pay commission to the fucking club if you don't have to", since I have seen her too many times I don't mind sharing with you guys.

I saw her too about 4 years ago, she's cool, didn't know she sees guys outside of the club.

[PhotoSlider]

The open secret is: Ukrainian men do not accept sex with a condom. You can ask all women. No matter if the sex is private or for money.

Sex is treated like all other things in Ukraine as well. People do not think about what can be in one or ten years. No money for rent and food. But the latest iPhone in the bag.

With your ideas you think like a man from the west. With house. Money in the bank. Safe job. Not like a person living in ukraine.

You probably are right about me. However, out of more than at least a 100 women that I had in Ukraine, only one, more than 15 years ago, went for unprotected sex, and I was stupid enough to proceed. Another one few months ago suggested BBFS in a very persistent manner, and I politely got rid of her. The other 98+ wanted protected without any discussion. Maybe that's the level of my relationships with them, and I am OK with not going any further. Maybe it is the level of girls that I engage.

There was one 18 years old beauty over 5 years ago, that I ran out of condoms with. As it turned out later in our email exchange prior to Viber era, she was actually counting them, and asked:

- Why there was only 11? The pack should have 12.

She took me by the hand, led to the nearby pharmacy, and explained which brand she prefers. Something like "Romantic strawberry".

I do not feel less desirable for not going bare back. My Ukrainian friends go protected within their harem. Again, maybe they are are more educated.

Important aspect here. Girls do want to get pregnant with the right guy. That's their ticket to insured sponsorship. It is an interesting game of them balancing on the wire, tempting, luring in, making evasive maneuvers, and going for continuous seduction again and again. One trick is to pull the condom off of you in the process. And many more are invented over the centuries.

AFAIK, the law in Ukraine says that for the first child the court may force the female partner to have her child DNA tested per male's partner request. The second child she may get from anybody, and Ukrainian law prevents the father from legally requesting the DNA test. It could be anybody's kid, and husband would pay for support.

Dedicated sponsors do go bareback, and one of the girls complained to me that before leaving her alone in Kiev for a week, her sponsor gave her a stack of condoms, caring about himself. She felt insulted. I felt he was stupid. Because she can buy them anywhere, and with his money. She didn't stay faithful to that jerk. I used my own. Then we went for a night on the town. She was driving his SUV. My hand was on her nylon pantyhose thigh.