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[KY694]

Sure agree FT.

My tuition of US400 paid one time to a scammer has helped to transform my present approach in Phil.

Wisdom pays.

Vic.

How did they scam you 400 USD? That is 20 K Php.

I got scammed by a ladybody for 400 PHP.

[KY694]

Thanks.

My head is clear, I absolutely know what she needs to do to survive. I am just one of the hundred guest she will meet in a year.

The problem is the emotional attachments to the great GFE and illusion of love.

I am still finding an effective way to detox. This morning, I jerked off to the memory of kissing the Ph girl and her photo. So pathetic HAHAHA.

Time will heal all I guess.

Great report KY.

Real glad you had a great GFE time.

No one can disagree with your feelings about having a solo subject for your time in PI. You are the judge of that.

I find it helpful to detoxe and stop over thinking the emotional high after the trip.

It might become a difficult issue if you are unable to manage reasonable expectation of the young woman who actually needs to continue her professional activities during your absence. At the end of the day, she needs to move on from you to her next new friend.

Take care bro.

Vic.

[KY694]

A lot of bar girls and High so girls actually do it as their full time job. The skillsets they learned from that will be completely useless once they turn 30. If they have to return where they come from, it is like a death sentence. Maybe some of them will be smart enough to save up enough when they are earning 40 K php per month, either do investment or start a business later on.

Even if they don't like their life in Korea / Europe / China / US, as a 30+ years old, they might have no choice but to stay married. Or find another richer older guy in the local rich country. I only saw young girls in High So, I really wonder where majority of them will end up in 8 years.

In their dreams. Most return right back where they came from when they turn back into pumpkins. Most of the ones that do win the lotto, the shit does not last.

My boy used to own a bar in Pattaya. Guys would come in and swoop the chicks away. He would always say I wish they hurry up and break up so she can bring her ass back to work.

Guys sell dreams the same way the girls do. When he gets her home to his studio apartment in Northern Norway 3 clicks from the Arctic Circle and has her cleaning rings out of the bathtub and toilet, she will quickly realize that is not what she was signing up for. She was signing up for the vacation him, not the everyday him.

Just like how you see mfs talking about it's only $20; you paid $2000 for a ticket and you are staying in a 4 star hotel. Well when they get the chick back home with them the story changes to we don't have $20 for that shit! Fairytale over.

[Red Kilt]

Absolutely correct on all points. In addition, the Bureau of Immigration here has recently tightened the rules for foreigners being employed in the Philippines, so working legally here is even more difficult than it was a few months ago....<SNIP> virtually all development contractors bring in expats to manage key elements of their projects, which is how I ended up working here.

GE is correct. Likewise for me. I came to Manila for a ST contract for 3 months in 1996 and I am still here because I was offered a longer-term position and, more importantly, I was prepared to suffer the "cons" of living in the Philippines because the "pros" outweighed them. Note also that availability of females was NOT a factor in my decision. I am also lucky to be getting contracts to work in various other parts of SE Asia, Central Asia and the Pacific.

Note also that once you decide to work here your freedom to behave like a bachelor on holiday needs to be balanced by care that you will not get into any situation where your professionalism and reputation might be impugned. The rumour mill (tsismis / grapevine / bamboo network) is exceptionally robust in the Philippines and you need to be always thinking with the brain in the head rather than the one in your trousers, so much so that any mongering I engage in is usually offshore nowadays.

[Mr Enternational]

I assume that most girl will start to prepare an exit plan like marriage at the age of 27? I doubt if many guests would want to marry a working girl and vice versa, so these girls will probably need to find a guy the normal way or marry a guest who is 30 years older than them.

In their dreams. Most return right back where they came from when they turn back into pumpkins. Most of the ones that do win the lotto, the shit does not last.

My boy used to own a bar in Pattaya. Guys would come in and swoop the chicks away. He would always say I wish they hurry up and break up so she can bring her ass back to work.

Guys sell dreams the same way the girls do. When he gets her home to his studio apartment in Northern Norway 3 clicks from the Arctic Circle and has her cleaning rings out of the bathtub and toilet, she will quickly realize that is not what she was signing up for. She was signing up for the vacation him, not the everyday him.

Just like how you see mfs talking about it's only $20; you paid $2000 for a ticket and you are staying in a 4 star hotel. Well when they get the chick back home with them the story changes to we don't have $20 for that shit! Fairytale over.

[GoodEnough]

With the low cost of travel now it's not necessary to live exactly where you want to play. It can certainly be very beneficial to live in a high paying area (say HK or Singapore) and earn enough to fund frequent excursions.

There are tonnes of expat jobs in Asia but be warned that living and working permanently in Asia is TOTALLY different to a 2 week holiday. If any one is seriously considering it, just look for companies with international offices and roles that fill skill gaps that are not in Asia. You certainly want to be transferred from the West. Being hired directly in Asia forgoes a lot of expat benefits.

Of course, many are also enjoying the retiree / contractor life in Asis as well.

Enjoy. G.

Absolutely correct on all points. In addition, the Bureau of Immigration here has recently tightened the rules for foreigners being employed in the Philippines, so working legally here is even more difficult than it was a few months ago. Some of the larger, more successful groups such as Ayala and SM do occasionally hired expat engineers and other technical staffs on contract, and virtually all development contractors (ie those Western companies with contracts from USAID, JICA, AusAID, World Bank or ADB) bring in expats to manage key elements of their projects, which is how I ended up working here.

GE.

[Goferring]

As for getting a job in the PI well we do have some ISG members who work in PI but those jobs are few. Maybe others can comment on that.

With the low cost of travel now it's not necessary to live exactly where you want to play. It can certainly be very beneficial to live in a high paying area (say HK or Singapore) and earn enough to fund frequent excursions.

There are tonnes of expat jobs in Asia but be warned that living and working permanently in Asia is TOTALLY different to a 2 week holiday. If any one is seriously considering it, just look for companies with international offices and roles that fill skill gaps that are not in Asia. You certainly want to be transferred from the West. Being hired directly in Asia forgoes a lot of expat benefits.

Of course, many are also enjoying the retiree / contractor life in Asis as well.

Enjoy. G.

[VictorHugo99]

Great report KY.

Real glad you had a great GFE time.

No one can disagree with your feelings about having a solo subject for your time in PI. You are the judge of that.

I find it helpful to detoxe and stop over thinking the emotional high after the trip.

It might become a difficult issue if you are unable to manage reasonable expectation of the young woman who actually needs to continue her professional activities during your absence. At the end of the day, she needs to move on from you to her next new friend.

Take care bro.

Vic.

This final report follows my last one that I invited a girl with prepaid 3000 php, but she passed out as soon as we reached home.

Finally, I want to thank you all for the tips and advice here, and via PM. I know I made a lot of rookie mistakes, I know it is worrying that I am so much into one girl. Nevertheless, I am neither financially, physically hurt badly, nor is my mood ruined. I have great memories and nothing too bad happened so far. As a naive rookie, I count my trip as pretty successful. Now I only need to wean myself off from the dopamine / Oxytocin rush in the past 3 days. Thanks for all your help.

[VictorHugo99]

Sure agree FT.

My tuition of US400 paid one time to a scammer has helped to transform my present approach in Phil.

Wisdom pays.

Vic.

I consider these costly shit / scam experiences to learn something as Tuition paid, not really a mistake at all since I gained knowledge. Rationalization that works for me.

[KY694]

I picked up the third girl I talked to in High So and sticked to her so I dunno about this: what is the usual age range of girls in High Society and bars? While it varies greatly among individuals, I think Filipino girls age well, many 30 years old are still very fuckable to me. For me, it looks like girls on the dance floor are all between 20-27, but I won't be surprised if many 30 years old are among them.

Say, for a well maintained 22 years old girl, how many more years can she expects to still be popular and earn good money in bars or High society? I assume that most girl will start to prepare an exit plan like marriage at the age of 27? I doubt if many guests would want to marry a working girl and vice versa, so these girls will probably need to find a guy the normal way or marry a guest who is 30 years older than them.

[ForkTruck]

Totally agree.

The mistakes I've made before and sometimes still make would make KYs story seem minor.
But post like KYs are a good reminder to us all seniors that shit could still happen and not to let our guard down.
Thanks KY for the reminder.

I consider these costly shit / scam experiences to learn something as Tuition paid, not really a mistake at all since I gained knowledge. Rationalization that works for me.

[D Cups]

I just left PH. It is very sad to leave. It feels like the hang-overs and emptiness you have after a great night out. The feeling will take some time to fade. Final report will follow.

You did pretty good for your first trip, KY! Once you bang that PI GFE pussy it becomes addictive! The post-PI depression is completely normal. As for getting a job in the PI well we do have some ISG members who work in PI but those jobs are few. Maybe others can comment on that. I am planning retirement there in three years. Subic or Dumaguete or South Cebu. Used to be stationed at Clark in the heyday 80's and now I just relive my youth every annual visit. Don't take the generational thing personally. I'm sure you are good at your job. Cheers.

[Niteluvr]

I dunno how this turned into a whole generation thing. There is always a bias when the older folks criticize the younger one. You always remember the stereotype when it fits, not when they don't. I am not sure where the "limited initiative" thing come from. I actually did read a lot of the forum posts in both Manila and AC threads, of course, I could have missed a lot of things. My problem is I am like an open book, easy to read. Yet, I have hard time reading others or assuming an ill intention. I can be conned even in safer environment like in US. I am particularly bad at this among my peers, there is nothing to do with the generation. Reading posts help familiar myself, but won't completely eliminate the chance of me being scammed. Most of the time, I learn things the hard way. The key is not to be scammed too badly the first time, so that I am willing to try again and keep learning. I am not bad at my professional work, but when it comes to this thing, I am dumb like a rock.

I just left PH. It is very sad to leave. It feels like the hang-overs and emptiness you have after a great night out. The feeling will take some time to fade. Final report will follow.

It's not really a generational thing, just some senior mongers reflecting on their first times and mistakes and then comparing them with yours. EVERYONE makes mongering mistakes when first starting out and anyone who claims otherwise is full of crap. Sounds like you had a good time and learned a lot so that's what counts. First time I left Korea back in the day at age 20, I did not want to get on that airplane as I'd had a fantastic year there.

[Sharka]

In all truthfulness, you made some pretty basic rookie mistakes. However, any Senior Member who turns these into a Newbie bashing exercise has very selective memory. We've all had our share of great times and disaster seasons. I'd suggest that anyone who pretends that every time was an error free fuckfest is only kidding themselves.

Reports like yours are also informative to readers, showing some of the pits falls to watch out for. You may not have enjoyed them but the bad times also provided something for us to smile at. 😁.

It's great to read that you had a good time in the end.

Cheers. G.

Totally agree.

The mistakes I've made before and sometimes still make would make KYs story seem minor.
But post like KYs are a good reminder to us all seniors that shit could still happen and not to let our guard down.
Thanks KY for the reminder.

[KY694]

This final report follows my last one that I invited a girl with prepaid 3000 php, but she passed out as soon as we reached home.

She woke up. I was still thinking if she would just leave, if I should ask for my money back. Somehow we started watching some facebook silly things together, had some laughs and light kisses. Soon, the light kisses turned into deep kisses with our tongues playing with each other. That was hot. I spent a lot of time kissing and touching her perfect body. She gave very genuine moaning that reflected what I was doing. I tasted her sweet pussy and got so turned on. We had sex mostly in missionary, mainly because I wanted to see her more. She told me I look handsome (Somehow I can maintain hard but had a hard time cumming (I don't understand it). Each time we have sex, the whole thing would last almost 2 hours, I can imagine at the end it must be hurting a bit for her. (I can also see that when she got off from bed). She was still always eager to help me cum. She would go on top when I got tired and kept rocking my world. We were both so much into the sex, I think that's what makes the sex so great for me. No time pressure, no bitching about too much efforts needed.

I told her I wanted to keep her until I leave PH. No money issue was discussed. We talked more about her life. She brought me to her home village (quite a poor place, compared to AC downtown). She introduced me to people. She even called up her sister to introduce me. I get to know how she interacts with friends and family. She is a lovely girl with a great heart. Outside the work, she is just a normal village girl. It is like living a double life. And life is really so different in the village, I am grateful to have learned a lot of new things (for example, being a city boy, it was the first time I shower without hot water, just from the tap). People in the village is very friendly, some of the kids constantly ran to me and tried their limited English to make jokes. I had a nice time. My girl and I hanged out the whole day. We almost never stopped hugging, kissing or holding hands. Deep and light added together, we could have kissed 300-600 times in 3 days: P. I liked her so much, I asked her to be my girlfriend. After that, when we were still kissing, she put my dick, unprotected, into her pussy. It felt so good, I could not say no or withdraw. I should never have done that to her, if she gets pregnant, it would be bad for her and me. Luckily every time I managed to withdraw from her well before I feel like cumming and cummed outside. Girlfriends or mongering, it is the first time ever in my life to have sex without condoms. Oh man, I love it.

Total damage: 8000 php to the girl. Roughly 1200 per day for food, transport and alcoholic drinks (just a rough number). Of course it is including my and the girl's bill, not hers alone. She never asked for gifts. I think I spent 12 K in 3 days with and on her. Now I know some of you will only spend 6 K or so in 3 days. I might have spent 6 K too much, which is only 115 USD. However, the sex and GFE in these 3 days were probably the top 3 GFE I had in my life (OK, but I am also not an experienced monger). I am not trading it for 12 K or even 18 K PHP. My trip lacks diversity and is definitely a failure for some of you, but I cannot care much anymore. It was obvious what I wanted, and I got exactly that in such a short trip. What more can I ask for? The only downside is now I am upset when the girl is not replying my messages, and when I imagine she is having sex with some old rich Koreans. Don't worry, I know what is going on. Time will make it fade away. I was also so sad to leave. I really wanted to go to PH every 2 months, but with my salary and my vacation day in US, it would be impossible. It will take some time to heal the good trip hangover. It happened once to me before.

Finally, I want to thank you all for the tips and advice here, and via PM. I know I made a lot of rookie mistakes, I know it is worrying that I am so much into one girl. Nevertheless, I am neither financially, physically hurt badly, nor is my mood ruined. I have great memories and nothing too bad happened so far. As a naive rookie, I count my trip as pretty successful. Now I only need to wean myself off from the dopamine / Oxytocin rush in the past 3 days. Thanks for all your help.