German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Raj20]

I will be in Frankfurt for one night in end of June. Looking to spend sometime in one FFK, considering sharks and Oase. Need recommendations for regulars who have recently gone to these places and guide which one to go to. Reading reports sharks has better optics but more sharky behavior from girls? I am looking for longer sessions with a few girls rather than 30 min ones. Also if going to Sharks, is that easily accessible using public transport?

Thanks for the help.

[Sirioja]

I am more worried about the 40 to 70 cover charge at Babylon than anything else here. YY will get revived. Aca tried to stretch it as long as they could. But if the new thing is clubs after renovating bumps up entry prices by 75%, then that is more worrysome than anything else. Because that also draws from the budget we plan on spending on the girls. And in nrw especially, the clubs lineups usually are not over 50 girls. So chances are you may end up wanting to test the waters in two clubs instead of just one to bump up your luck. And with 70 e entries, it won't feel like a bargain any longer.

Babylon Elsdorf entry was 60 and could compete for club services with GT with better foods at Bab, higher level than LR, Aca. Bab was really improved, I don't agree with entry increased to 70 , but I wish good luck to Eddy because he spent to improve his club, he really welcome clients, I won't forget when I m not a regular how he tried to please me to watch ski. Was also amazing at 6 ens. NL when they didn't know me and found Eurosport 2 among Spanish channels, incredible, when at LR fat watch only Bundesliga 2.

From what locals seemed so happy to tell me, not sure YY will open soon, people living around don't seem to like this business.

Will be happy for Aca to stay alive, even when Kate ask me, no reason to return.

About condoms, no need to get a good BJ in NRW or Hessen, when girls like You, they will to please You back and some run for CIM business.

[Sirioja]

Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?

Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?

If you want Russian beauties not far from Germany, go to Brussels where 200/ h or Paris where 200/300/ h, but I find some Romanian beauties in FKK land and I create higher level with them than with most of escorts. My last one, 29 yo, long time in business, real woman type, smiled to all guys except me, so I tested her returning to my pretty discovery just in front of her. After my repeat with discovery, I went to Romanian, great surprise in bed, even I planned to return home, we took appointment for 2 hours later, she was a bit late, she apologized, much over 1 hour for our second room, but still 100 like for first, not the faintest money talk, she is super honest, like many others I think she is happy to get a bad guy for regular, so we both win. Just wish she won t change too fast, good point is she knows this business for years, but some girls are still fresh for woman part after years, when some lose freshness quite fast.

[Mr Ho]

This eBay seller may be legit, but it just makes me nervous. You can't buy them for that price at the local discount store in Japan (they are $16 there) and the $13 eBay price includes free shipping. For something this important I am willing to pay the extra for the piece of mind that they are legit and coming from Japan.

By the way, I hear they sell them in Germany with different franchise name, I think it is called big boy in Germany. Some mongers here were talking about it.

[Prizzo0528]

I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.

Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.

Thanks in advance.

PK.

If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.

[Pistons]

I'm not a doctor. But I do, at times, actually talk to women who do sex work. Try it sometime.

I can't address the case in Japan, but there are epigenetic effects that are almost Lamarckian in their effect. I. e. Environmental effects can alter the expression of genes in a way that can be inherited across generations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/s...ine-genes.html

(The applicability here is, of course, speculative. But it is not implausible.)

A far more interesting discussion is weather or not 'tall' is the norm for healthy people. There could be a bounce back towards shorter people after nutritional and environmental levels improved also. And then there is the height belt around the world too. Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude. Is that just pure coincidence? Is height related to stellar radiation, ground radiation? I am certain we are mostly guessing here on several fronts. And we only have parts of the picture. As you say, mainly speculations.

[Neurosynth]

As a 'doctor', do you find it useful to petition common people on why they are not taller?

As a side note, this was the common belief related to the height of Japanese people back in the 60's too. But at some point, they stopped growing even though their income and nutritional levels grew substantially.

I'm not a doctor. But I do, at times, actually talk to women who do sex work. Try it sometime.

I can't address the case in Japan, but there are epigenetic effects that are almost Lamarckian in their effect. I. e. Environmental effects can alter the expression of genes in a way that can be inherited across generations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/s...ine-genes.html

(The applicability here is, of course, speculative. But it is not implausible.)

[ZimmerBaby]

From 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJRBx0JjM_M

[Pessimist]

Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!

Yeah I pretty much said the same thing a couple of days ago. Businesses and companies close all the time and new companies are born. Sharks itself is not that old and it is in my view, the #1 club by far -- certainly in terms of number of girls. Over the years, my visits to NRW and other clubs have been tapering down and I'm spending most of my money in a few big clubs.

Club managements should focus on running a tight ship, know their customers, and make sure they are able to provide what their customers want.

In my view, the clientele is changing. And club managers need to focus on this changing mix and pay attention.

First, the international mix has clearly gone up over time.

I know that members will pooh pooh the importance of internationals and whether they matter at all. They do for some clubs.

The big Frankfurt clubs have been dependent on international mix for a while. It is not just the Male attendance, but also WGs who are dependent on them. A trained Asian hunter can make 500 off a big spending Asian man in a single session. To her it does not matter if the Male attendance per day declines from 250 to 200. She just needs 4 or 5 big spenders per week that can hand over 400 to 500 each and her week is done. If the club is able to attract a decent number of such men, it can also retain 30 to 40 Asian hunters. So there is a symbiotic relationship there. Given that at least 30% to 40% of club revenues come from WGs, club managers should focus on this aspect. Mainly they need to make sure their girls have enough business and are happy. Unhappy girls leave the club and that in turn turns off the Male demand.

Some niche clubs like Bernds will survive for a long time but then again they know their customers.

Like in many industries, this business too has the potential to bifurcate into a few niches. Fly in tourists want to focus on a few mega clubs. They have a huge fixed cost of airfare and hotel and vacation days used up etc so they do not want to risk going to a middling club, find that the service sucks or there is a lot of sharky upselling or worse yet, doors closed. They want predictable clubs, reasonable pricing, a large LU to choose from, even positive reviews on sites like ISG to incent their travel, ease of transportation and good and inexpensive hotels nearby. It does not matter to them if they need to pay 10 or 20 tip on a 50 session. What does matter is that you spend 2000 on flight and hotel and have only 40 average looking girls with lousy service.

I am not a local but if I were, I would probably want a low entry fee, easy commute close to my home, and some reliable girls. I would not necessarily need to visit a club because I can also do local escorts, RLD, other things. And I am not looking to binge fuck 5 girls per visit, but have one or two sessions per visit and repeat this on a consistent, weekly basis. This does help those smaller niche clubs that cater to those needs.

The ones that are caught in the middle are those with no defined clientele, average facilities, weak LU and uncaring managements that do not grasp changing dynamics of the market.

[Downandup]

Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!

Magnum could turn out to be something interesting. It has been in administration for some time and a new operator has just taken over this week.

[Pistons]

Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!

Except there is nothing concerning regarding YY, Aca nor Babylon price hike suggesting these would have gone down first. Capitalism is a bit like Game of Thrones. And it is almost never the most noble of good solution nor company that prevails. We always end up with a tyrant. Just look at Microsoft or Apple or Facebook. Tyrants in their own ways.

[Pistons]

Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!

I am more worried about the 40 to 70 cover charge at Babylon than anything else here. YY will get revived. Aca tried to stretch it as long as they could. But if the new thing is clubs after renovating bumps up entry prices by 75%, then that is more worrysome than anything else. Because that also draws from the budget we plan on spending on the girls. And in nrw especially, the clubs lineups usually are not over 50 girls. So chances are you may end up wanting to test the waters in two clubs instead of just one to bump up your luck. And with 70 e entries, it won't feel like a bargain any longer.

[SinglePro]

Party soon over?

FKK Yin Yang, closed.

FKK Acapulco, closed.

FKK Babylon, cover charge now 70 instead of 40.

Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!

[Jimmy Boy 99]

This eBay seller may be legit, but it just makes me nervous. You can't buy them for that price at the local discount store in Japan (they are $16 there) and the $13 eBay price includes free shipping. For something this important I am willing to pay the extra for the piece of mind that they are legit and coming from Japan.

Some of the sellers on eBay are in Japan and shipping from there.

[Steve 9696]

You can get Okamoto 001 condoms on E-bay. Best deal is six 3-condom boxes for $56 (about $3. 11 each).

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...l1313&_nkw=001+condom+large&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1&Brand=Okamoto%7 CSagami&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_odkw=001+condom&rt=nc&_dcat=176994.

This eBay seller may be legit, but it just makes me nervous. You can't buy them for that price at the local discount store in Japan (they are $16 there) and the $13 eBay price includes free shipping. For something this important I am willing to pay the extra for the piece of mind that they are legit and coming from Japan.