Makati

[Goferring]

I don't think it is 10 x cheaper

I agree its comparing apples and oranges but it's not hard to spend 10 k on a bargirl and 1 k for a freelancer.

Cheers. G.

[Member #4698]

Or just step outside: a Bottoms girl+drinks+tips can easily be 10 x the cost of the freelancer standing outside the front door. 😁.

I don't think it is 10 x cheaper, but yes, SW's on Burgos are substantially less, but again quality on average does drop off. None the less, I always look because I like to window shop and occasionally, ie once in a blue moon, I do spot an attractive, young, "massage" girl. It is a rare sighting, but it does occur and I have taken advantage of the opportunity. My most recent Burgos St. SW girl was 2 years ago. I posted a report at the time. She was barely 18. I had to check her ID twice to make sure. She was a very cute little spinner. Her price was 2,000 p plus I gave her a generous tip afterwards for her very good service. It could have gone either way, but after I licked her pussy she became very passionate and GFE. But I view her as the exception to the norm. Most Burgos SW's are undoable IMHO. But I liked this one for sure.

[Goferring]

This is true, but the quality falls off too, especially in metro MNL. Girls go where they can get can earn the most money.

True. Many just see the price and sticker shock but forget English speaking, looks, nice dress, perfume, safety, convenience etc.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

Because you can still find lots of cheap pussy in Asia, even Manila. The further you get from the tourists, the cheaper it gets.

Or just step outside: a Bottoms girl+drinks+tips can easily be 10 x the cost of the freelancer standing outside the front door. 😁.

[Member #4698]

you can still find lots of cheap pussy in Asia, even Manila. The further you get from the tourists, the cheaper it gets.

This is true, but the quality falls off too, especially in metro MNL. Girls go where they can get can earn the most money.

[Rick Rock]

Mongers visit one of the poorest cities / countries in the world and pay more than I would pay in an American strip club for BBFS with very hot 18 yo strippers?

Anyone can go to brothels in Europe and pay 50 e for very clean pretty girls, so why is everything so fucking upside down in Asia?

It's not upside down in Asia, just in the places with the tourists and newbies who don't understand how integral knowing the market and haggling is in some parts of the world. Why do I say this? Because you can still find lots of cheap pussy in Asia, even Manila. The further you get from the tourists, the cheaper it gets.

[Blanquiceleste]

Blanq, your inbox is full.

Done. Still on the road. Life is good.

[CzarNicholas]

Are we talking about the amount charged by the girl / bar or the amount paid by the punter? For both cases it's whatever the market will bare.

A businessman flush with expense account cash, a return visitor who knows the regular market prices and a Resident are all prepared to pay different amounts and all think they received a bargain.

Similarly a girl with a deer in the headlights newbie, a familiar face and a resident living near by when the rent is due will charge wildly different fees.

I know girls in Sabang who charge and receive 5 k ST from Korean / Chinese guys straight off the boat, 2 k for an hour or two, after hours during the day from customers they favour, and 500 for multiple shots all day from divemaster residents when the power bill comes in. These charges are for THE SAME GIRL just under different circumstances.

Enjoy. G.

A businessman flush with expense account cash, a return visitor who knows the regular market prices and a Resident are all prepared to pay different amounts and all think they received a bargain.

I will posit upon reflection that those that "pay" exorbitant rates, don't do so willingly.

Who pays more for anything than they have to?

They aren't "paying" more per se, but rather they are being charged more, a surcharge for a sundry of reasons.

Nobody wants to be that guy, so.

Don't be that guy.

[Keyser Soza]

After multiple visits to Angeles (and basically reading the whole forum from 2015 onward) I finally decided to test Manila or better Makati.

Due to work I only had 3 nights available for the hobby but tried to make the most of out it and I think I "visited" 90% of the bars.

My feeling goes with the majority of the ISG members that the best bars are Kojax, Plan be and Bottoms but let's go in order.

Day 1.

The first day I landed, took possession of the Airbnb Studio I rented 5 minutes from the bars and promptly directed my butt on Burgos street still in happy hour (it was around 18:30).

Being the rookie that I am I did not check the date and only at the first bar I discovered it was national holiday (Ninoy Aquino day) so I found most of the bars not very crowded.

Anyway, I decided to start from Shampoo (which I found really depressing) and shortly after I stepped into Tickles.

In tickles I had the same experience of other mongers whereby after 30 minutes the girls started blowing me in turn (3 or 4 different girls, not sure as I was not paying too much attention to the rotation). I paid 3 ladies drink and we moved in a less visible area and they really started getting into it. Too bad that after few minutes they asked an absurd amount of LD to finish the job. To their surprise I refused, and when I explained how silly the request was as I could have bar-fined 3 of them for that price blame went to the "greedy" Mamasan (which I think was plain BS). Anyway I was not in a mood to ruin my evening there so I thanked them and put my second brain back in the underwear and left.

I then started hopping between all the clubs down to Rogues, jumped on the other side of the road and ended up in Bottoms.

This was the surprise of the day (and also of the week). Well managed, not too much pressure on the LD, funny mamansan (which I always appreciate) and tons of very beautiful girls.

So here comes the first comparison with Angeles: the amount of 8 and 9 girls was just amazing (I am quite picky and I really had hard time to choose one). At the end I settled on an unusually tall girl (I think almost 6 feet) and I called it a night.

The girl spent with me until 11 am and I really enjoyed her.

Day 2.

After work I decided to test the bars I skipped the previous day basically the ones north of Shampoo) and bar hopped until 11 (on purpose to wait for the second shift). Most bars could not compare with Bottoms but I think both Kojax and Plan be had even better girls, A bit on the pushy side but I enjoyed the experience and spent an hour or so in both. I also found one which I very much liked (sorry I don't remember the name but it is between Rougues and Bourbon) where absolutely no pressure was applied. It has a very large setup and 3 billiard tables where girls were rotating. Spent 20 minutes with a the bustier Filipina I have ever seen but the tits were so hard (the surgeon really exaggerated) that even a tit-job would have been unpleasant. I thanked her and moved back to Bottoms.

Mamasan suggested me another girl and given the previous night experience I did not even interview her. She was a bit skinny for my tasted but with a killer smile.

Back to the room it turned into the best deep-throat experience of my life. She had almost no gag reflex and kept "moisturizing" me to the point I had to dry up with a towel. She was really really into (and me too) so I decided not to bone her and spend the following 30 minutes just enjoying her mouth. At 11 she left too with a 1 K tip after I tried uselessly to make her come.

Day 3.

I was only freed of my work at 2 am after which I headed directly to Bottoms and BF the previous girl again. We bar-hopped a bit together (sadly some of the bars refused her entry) she suggested a threesome (which I refused because I really wanted to enjoy her), ate a bit and then around 4 we reached my apartment.

This time I made it point of honor to make he come (and I also wanted to see her orgasming) and after 40 minutes (and a lot of effort and sweat) she finally gave up and came. After this I let her recover a few minutes and then I finished as well in her mouth.

I woke up at 10 am and she promptly gave me the experience of the trip (truly unforgettable) I don't remember the last time I came so much.

Got her number and email and promised her to contact her at my next visit.

Overall a very good visit and now I really understand why so many more experienced mongers prefer Manila over Angeles. Given I like to indulge myself in barhopping and drinking (that constitutes bit part of my expenses) I also found Makati not so expensive (you can do all within 8-9 K LT). I also found the attitude much more GF oriented (which I appreciate) and the girls can normally sustain a decent conversation and speak good English.

Willingly the happy hour could just cut the costs in half but I noticed that except the best bars the others have low quality girls in the happy hours shift.

[CzarNicholas]

Are we talking about the amount charged by the girl / bar or the amount paid by the punter? For both cases it's whatever the market will bare.

A businessman flush with expense account cash, a return visitor who knows the regular market prices and a Resident are all prepared to pay different amounts and all think they received a bargain.

Similarly a girl with a deer in the headlights newbie, a familiar face and a resident living near by when the rent is due will charge wildly different fees.

I know girls in Sabang who charge and receive 5 k ST from Korean / Chinese guys straight off the boat, 2 k for an hour or two, after hours during the day from customers they favour, and 500 for multiple shots all day from divemaster residents when the power bill comes in. These charges are for the same girl just under different circumstances.

Enjoy. G.

Great post!

A businessman flush with expense account cash, a return visitor who knows the regular market prices and a Resident are all prepared to pay different amounts and all think they received a bargain.

If I go into a restaurant in the business district in an american city to have a nice meal, and look at the menu and the prices read 5-10 x what is sane I'm leaving, lest one be a chump.

Regardless of what I can afford, or how "flexible"/ generous my expense acct, I still know I'm getting fucked not the other way around, and I'm way overpaying even if I get some kind of discount.

Or if I stick my company with the expense.

[WestCoast1]

Blanq, your inbox is full.

[Goferring]

How much is too much.

I think there should be a figure reasonable men can agree upon.

Are we talking about the amount charged by the girl / bar or the amount paid by the punter? For both cases it's whatever the market will bare.

A businessman flush with expense account cash, a return visitor who knows the regular market prices and a Resident are all prepared to pay different amounts and all think they received a bargain.

Similarly a girl with a deer in the headlights newbie, a familiar face and a resident living near by when the rent is due will charge wildly different fees.

I know girls in Sabang who charge and receive 5 k ST from Korean / Chinese guys straight off the boat, 2 k for an hour or two, after hours during the day from customers they favour, and 500 for multiple shots all day from divemaster residents when the power bill comes in. These charges are for THE SAME GIRL just under different circumstances.

Enjoy. G.

[CzarNicholas]

I think MS1 is saying that even 7 k is too much to pay, as its a month's pay for others. However I agree with ME on this, its a win for several reasons:

1) Blanq got a Burgos gogo girl for 7 K, several thousand less than normal.

2) Blanq was able to cut thru the clutter that keeps other gents from paying less because they are too meek to inquire about it (which to me is embarrassing for the gent).

3) It slows down the pesky waitress from trying to pull that bola on the next customer (there's a chance she gets a cut of any extra on over-price).

4) It teaches the rest of us a good lesson: most things in Phils are negotiable (issue: many gents are not able or don't desire to negotiate).

Mongers visit one of the poorest cities / countries in the world and pay more than I would pay in an American strip club for BBFS with very hot 18 yo strippers?

Anyone can go to brothels in Europe and pay 50 e for very clean pretty girls, so why is everything so fucking upside down in Asia?

Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Don't be that guy.

Post-script.

This is funny.

"there's a chance she gets a cut of any extra on over-price" theres so much "extra" the janitor gets a cut, the valet guy, the plumber, the garbage man et al LMAO.

[CzarNicholas]

I think MS1 is saying that even 7 k is too much to pay, as its a month's pay for others. However I agree with ME on this, its a win for several reasons:

1) Blanq got a Burgos gogo girl for 7 K, several thousand less than normal.

2) Blanq was able to cut thru the clutter that keeps other gents from paying less because they are too meek to inquire about it (which to me is embarrassing for the gent).

3) It slows down the pesky waitress from trying to pull that bola on the next customer (there's a chance she gets a cut of any extra on over-price).

4) It teaches the rest of us a good lesson: most things in Phils are negotiable (issue: many gents are not able or don't desire to negotiate).

I believe Goferring posts about overpaying and establishing oneself as an easy mark.

I believe you sent me a pm before my trip to MNL for what bars to hit I went in kojax and the mamasan Amy was telling me the prices and I was laughing before she even finished and walked out.

If a hooker tells me a crazy price I don't bother bringing her down on price, she has started so high, even if we meet in the middle she still wins big time.

I was in probably one of the bars with maybe the highest prices in the Philippines the girls were saying 10000-20000.

I think I got the prettiest one to my hotel (if not one of the top ones), I paid her 1000 php to leave after I finished lmao.

Wc considering local wages, which must be done, how much do you think is sane?

1 days pay? A week? A month? A year?

How much is too much.

I think there should be a figure reasonable men can agree upon.

Only the most unreasonable will disagree.

I will just throw out some numbers.

A FL, max 1000 for st.

Barfine 2000 for st because they only get say 50%.

If I won the lottery I couldn't overpay.

I couldn't enjoy the sex knowing I was paying more than its worth.

I rather walk down the street and give it to the maimed beggars and kids that look homeless, which I do.

[WestCoast1]

Definitely would call that a win.

7000 plus drinks is a win for whom? I believe that's approx a months salary at the mall. Why doesn't this post line up with what you're usually saying.

It does line up with what I always say. I said it was too much for me to be paying personally. And I do not believe a 3rd world hooker garners that type of payment for a few hours. But when you compare to what guys report paying at those Burgos places and considering he had no problem talking it down 2500, is where the win is and where note should be taken.

I think MS1 is saying that even 7 k is too much to pay, as its a month's pay for others. However I agree with ME on this, its a win for several reasons:

1) Blanq got a Burgos gogo girl for 7 K, several thousand less than normal.

2) Blanq was able to cut thru the clutter that keeps other gents from paying less because they are too meek to inquire about it (which to me is embarrassing for the gent).

3) It slows down the pesky waitress from trying to pull that bola on the next customer (there's a chance she gets a cut of any extra on over-price).

4) It teaches the rest of us a good lesson: most things in Phils are negotiable (issue: many gents are not able or don't desire to negotiate).