Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[CzarNicholas]

So I take it Rio and Tijuana are no longer as good as they used to be?

But stopped going to Tijuana for a variety of reasons.

Will I ever return? Maybe? But doubtful.

[Mamag]

I got information that there are 2 new girls at Cherry massage
Has anyone seen them?

Can't find any new girls on their website

/ Karl.

Moya is still on their website.

But she left Cherry and works now at Mango massage.

[TConor]

One is Vill (Will) from SW.

I got information that there are 2 new girls at Cherry massage
Has anyone seen them?

Can't find any new girls on their website

/ Karl.

[Goatscrot]

Not sure you're barking up the right tree, the influx of other mongers only has marginal influence.

The main issue is fewer girls available, mostly due to demographics, and also rising incomes. Thailand had 5. 6 children per woman in 1970 (that cohort was 30 back in 2000), 3. 4 in 1980 (still women around in 2010), and just 1. 6 in 2000 (that's why we're seeing plenty of 40-50 year old hookers still on the game). On the income side, back in the early 2000's, many office girls (let alone lower income) could hardly make ends meet, and thus went to Thermae occasionally. These days, a fresh university graduate can hit 20 k baht right away, and goes up from there, no need to hook part-time.

The supply of working girls has dried up considerably, that's why we're seeing are mostly dregs for higher prices. Hottest girls are sure not working in the nightlife industry anymore, and neither are many average looking ones (I mean average as in middle-of-the-pack looks for 20-40 age group, not a euphemism for "ugly"). The demand has changed perhaps too, but if supply were as before, we'd surely be seeing many pretty girls and part-time girls around despite increased demand, although at a higher price point.

I'd say both you and Turgid are correct. I do agree with you; economic and demographic factors are the main issues, however the influx of Asian punters who are less demanding performance wise and punters who tend to have less experience overall with women effects things as well. Many times while out, especially in Pattaya, you see groups of guys who act like they are at a middle school dance, don't really know how to behave in a club, and seem like they have never even kissed a girl. Naive is not a strong enough word. For most of the old guard punters and regulars, Thailand was not our first rodeo. Far from it. We were well versed before we came here.

[Nyezhov]

I concur. When I want to get laid, I don't want to spend hours and hours looking for a gal. I want to go somewhere, pick one, enjoy, and get about my day. I can understand how a tourist, frequent visitor, or even a new resident might enjoy this, but after a time there are other things that one does and getting laid is just a part of what you do.

Well said.

[Crocodilexp]

I used to love "the hunt. " It was fun and always paid off. The sheer number of p4 p gals in and around sukhumvit 15-20 years ago was staggering. You literally could not go 20 mtrs without hearing "go with you." When the oilies took off 11 years ago, each PSE shop had at least 3 or 4 lookers who performed. It was a hunt, but a hunt on the sense that you were trying to pick the best out of a pretty good BUNCH. You'd see a great gal and if it was early you'd hesitate because the chances of something better was a good bet.

Perfectly said. I actually love the hunt, being surrounded by plenty of available women, actual sex is just the cherry on top.

I can still feel the excitement of the hunt in a few other places, but in Bangkok or Pattaya it's not rewarding or pleasant anymore. Mongering in Thailand used to be looking for diamonds in a pile of rocks (fine rocks, actually), but now it's more like trying to find a peanut in a turd. The quantity of turd doesn't make the hunt much more pleasant.

For me, the joy was in choosing among the abundance of decent girls at a reasonable price, not looking for one who's maybe acceptable looking among a thinning selection of hags, for relatively serious cash that is usually better spent elsewhere, especially considering declining service standards.

[Crocodilexp]

The major change came with the influx of Korean, Japanese and Chinese mongers. The girls became exposed to mongers willing to pay handsomely without long hard banging, demands for BBFS and CIM. They now get the hottest girls.

Not sure you're barking up the right tree, the influx of other mongers only has marginal influence.

The main issue is fewer girls available, mostly due to demographics, and also rising incomes. Thailand had 5. 6 children per woman in 1970 (that cohort was 30 back in 2000), 3. 4 in 1980 (still women around in 2010), and just 1. 6 in 2000 (that's why we're seeing plenty of 40-50 year old hookers still on the game). On the income side, back in the early 2000's, many office girls (let alone lower income) could hardly make ends meet, and thus went to Thermae occasionally. These days, a fresh university graduate can hit 20 k baht right away, and goes up from there, no need to hook part-time.

The supply of working girls has dried up considerably, that's why we're seeing are mostly dregs for higher prices. Hottest girls are sure not working in the nightlife industry anymore, and neither are many average looking ones (I mean average as in middle-of-the-pack looks for 20-40 age group, not a euphemism for "ugly"). The demand has changed perhaps too, but if supply were as before, we'd surely be seeing many pretty girls and part-time girls around despite increased demand, although at a higher price point.

[Turgid]

............ We became very spoiled in SE Asia in the late 90's and early 00's. To many of us the whole point of mongering is that it is not a challenge to find a great looking gal who performs for little money.

The major change came with the influx of Korean, Japanese and Chinese mongers. The girls became exposed to mongers willing to pay handsomely without long hard banging, demands for BBFS and CIM. They now get the hottest girls.

[Sky Jump]

7th heaven website seems to have recently put up a notice stating that it is strictly a 1 shot service, with no guarantee of a second shot no matter how early you come. Judging by your post, it's probably not changed the service the girls offer (Dew seems to have offered you a second shot) but I wonder. Would you have felt short changed if she hadn't offered you the extra shot?

https://www.7-heavenbkk.com/post/our-services-attention

Edit: ignore, I see this was discussed further down in the forum and is probably aimed at to be aimed at customers who get a full service and then demand a refund. Still curious whether folks would feel short-changed if you came in 10mins and they didnt offer the second shot.

If I am paying for an hour I always bring that up first. I like to finish with the second shot.

[Kuratla]

I'm not for certain but I think Baron's opened in 03 or 04 and it was the first of the PSE establishments. Tulip I think was 05.

I agree that Soi 4 is about the best deal running. Some duds out there, but you can week out the chaff with a good interview. Some of the Viets down by the old Raja Hotel entrance are just stunning. Blow the Thai gals away looks wise for sure. They ask for 2 k, but methinks 1. 5 will do.

Tulip opened in May of 2005.

[J A Karl]

I got information that there are 2 new girls at Cherry massage
Has anyone seen them?

Can't find any new girls on their website

/ Karl.

[Goatscrot]

I was not aware that Oilies started to take off 11 years ago. Simply because that is when I first tried Tulip and other Oilies not much earlier. In my early times I was mainly a Soapies customer, but they declined badly over the years, for levels of fun and service.

In early 2000's I was coming back to the bar scene after a few years absent, and was difficult because I did not have much clue what the prices should be. The steep rise had already happened some time earlier I think, given that bargirl LT in 1991 was 400 to 500 Baht (plus BF maybe 160 Baht roughly). Right now, prices seem to have doubled again, since early 2000's (or is it tripled? Doubling over say 15 years is not that ridiculous. 4. 7% compound interest. Maybe a little steep. If tripled that is too much.

Prices remained low in Oilies due to the continual drop in quality of the girls, and the continual increase in the competition, any other factors? The Bar scene never had that level of strong competition, and got flooded by the Japanese customers too.

Yeh I hate how bargirls can make reasonable to good money just by just dancing now, and obviously that has added a lot of pressure to selling drinks and drink prices. Even ugly girls seem to think they are worth 3 K for ST now, clearly not value for money. I probably can get a girl for 2. 5 K at Thermae with no BF, but I struggle to get a good one, so its false economy. Better off with a Soi 4 girl way cheaper and some of them performing well for my needs (its a gamble), or a good Oily girl when can find one. Only had two Soi 4 girls worth repeating in recent years (but that is far better than my Thermae success rate).

I'm not for certain but I think Baron's opened in 03 or 04 and it was the first of the PSE establishments. Tulip I think was 05.

I agree that Soi 4 is about the best deal running. Some duds out there, but you can week out the chaff with a good interview. Some of the Viets down by the old Raja Hotel entrance are just stunning. Blow the Thai gals away looks wise for sure. They ask for 2 k, but methinks 1. 5 will do.

[Nyezhov]

So I take it Rio and Tijuana are no longer as good as they used to be?

Nothing is as good as it used to be. But that doesn't mean its bad.

[EihTooms]

I don't quite get it. The challenge is to find a girl that appeals, enough. If you want a challenge, you go looking for freebies, with the non hookers.

I am not sure how paying hookers can be considered a challenge. Okay Bar girls can knock you back and they do, but Oily MP girls rarely knock back a customer.

So yeh its a challenge for me, but that is in the Thermae. I often can't get the girls I prefer, beaten out by the japanese. So I don't waste my time there any more.

Not all of us enough time available away from the Mrs, to be spending a lot of time hunting. Hence a BJ shop is for desperate days when time is very short.

I agree. I have never sensed that there is the least bit of challenge to get a girl who would easily qualify among the top 5% best lookers, not even in Thermae, frankly. Ok, maybe the 5 best lookers in Thermae out of 200 girls on a busy night might turn away as a 66 year old farang approaches them. Big deal. They would probably be lousy in bed anyway.

No, the ONLY real challenge in the Thai P4P scene is finding or convincing an above average looking girl to engage in BBFS+CIP or, to a lesser degree, BBBJ+CIM. That's it. Ok, Anal is a special problem all its own.

But if you are the kind of customer who is fine with covered FS and never or rarely chooses a CIM finish to an otherwise oral foreplay BBBJ, then the entire country of Thailand's P4P girls, with the possible exception of girls who are into Japanese customers and are at that moment within eye view of a Japanese man, are available to you at their going rate 365/24/7. I suppose even getting a simple oral foreplay BBBJ and/or DFK is a small challenge these days. But one could still count yourself meeting a huge challenge if an above average looking Thai girl agrees to BBFS+CIP and yet refuses to do either of those two things. Otherwise, no challenge, no hunt, no negotiation, no discussion, nothing more is required but to say Hi and decide on how much baht it will cost.

However, the goal of getting well laid and well sucked outside the P4P scene, a "freebie", is a challenge. And I actually group direct P4P girls, dating site girls, girls you meet just cruising around town, etc as similar in that challenge. LOL. With rare exception the dating site girls and the girls you meet around town in restaurants and malls are as likely to be hitting you up for financial aid (because they need it) as a girl working in a go-go bar anyway. The only difference is in how soon and for how much.

[Syzygies]

I concur. When I want to get laid, I don't want to spend hours and hours looking for a gal. I want to go somewhere, pick one, enjoy, and get about my day. I can understand how a tourist, frequent visitor, or even a new resident might enjoy this, but after a time there are other things that one does and getting laid is just a part of what you do.

Yeh, we do have other things to do, and posting is only another time waster, but I have not even mongered for the last 4 weeks. Many years ago I had no Mrs or GF and had lots of time for surveying (2004), but not now. I certainly don't want to be going to discos at 1 or 2 am and wasting hours in there.

Having a list of regulars, cuts down my search time a lot, the challenge then is patiently waiting for them to be available, but hopefully getting on with other things till that fuck time arrives.

Its raining almost non stop and many provinces are flooded. I am happy enough just to be not underwater. Everywhere is soggy.