German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[GuyBrusg1957]

Thanks for the kind words O. I enjoy keeping track and sharing and I love it when I can help out fellow enthusiasts. Glad to hear it's useful and welcome. Keep flying the FKK flag till I return!

You should totally post a guide. All too often most the girls are just straight up scams and it's hard to find the diamond in the rough.

[Pessimist]

I thought this lady who did her college thesis on Sugar Babying did a really good job.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

It is cited in some more sensationalized articles.

https://www.mndaily.com/article/2019...y-of-minnesota

Like all sex work, it encompasses a wide variety of ages. A consistent theme of many female participants is that they do not consider themselves prostitutes. None of us really know quite what to think of that statement, since we all like prostitutes.

Now that the United States in particular has made it relatively more difficult for escorts to advertise, there appears to be an increase in the interest in the Sugar Baby system. For escorts and Johns with existing lists, the new USA Law was not quite as much of an immediate concern, but for a lot of the new "relationships", the Sugar Baby system is getting a lot of attention. But it is a different structure than seeing an escort since it is geared toward longer-term arrangements.

Time will tell how it all turns out. For what it is worth, internally the Sugar Baby sites are reported to be trying to keep more traditional escorts from joining and advertising by monitoring ads and conversations within their websites.

If you have been on sugar babe sites, and I would broadly extend this to apps like Tinder where also I find a decent number of paid sex choices, you will know that the success ratio is not 90% nor even 50%. I don't know what's the definition of prostitution. There are people who say all marriages involve prostitution to the extent the female provides sex in exchange for security and upkeep (not all marriages, as many western women these days make more money than their husbands). Be that as it may, my success rate in a place like any FKK club is near 99% or at least high 90's as I can remember very very few rejections in any club over time. I challenge any guy who can say he was rejected by less than 1% of the girls or 5% on a site like seeking.com, unless the guy is hitting up only loser skanks and fat no-hopers. I have to say my comments here are limited to US sugar babe sites, no clue how this works in EU.

But I do agree with you that the sugarbabe sites are very careful to keep out obvious escorts and prostitutes. I have seen a few porn stars here and there but even their accounts were shut down very quickly. The sites typically have boilerplate disclaimers about prostitutes not being welcome, and deals in the nature of ppm (pay per meet) also not being legal. They want to keep the site alive as they are probably highly profitable and the last thing they need is a regulator cracking down on them and shutting them down because they have the look and feel of prostitution sites.

But guys can quickly figure out if a girl is a tute or a normal girl trying to make some money on the side. For one, a professional will almost always be agreeable to your advances, will respond very quickly, will not want to know that much about you not has any real interest in you, will likely bring up the transaction and even the terms and payments within a short amount of time after saying Hello, and very likely give her number within the first few messages. A normal girl is much more likely to want to know something about you, spend a lot of time wanting to know what you have on mind, and be wanting some amount of wooing. A normal girl will also change her mind for no apparent reason, as many women do and block you. I have never been blocked by a tute unless I rejected her price.

And in my experience, a decent percent of the normal girls I have met on sugar babe sites were also on Tinder. I also didn't find a huge overlap between the "tutes on sugar babe sites" and high end escorts. This is my experience. YMMV.

[Gino02]

But what does that have to do with FKK's?

Personally I think the future lies in brain machine interfaces, and sex in a VR world where touch feels realistic. But it is at least 5 years away, and probably 10 before it has started maturing with content and good interfaces.

https://youtu.be/-cN8sJz50Ng

[Pessimist]

In Germany where I know, there is no standard rate and every girl asks or accepts different price. Your tactics and strategy ultimately decide how much you have to pay. I never paid more than 200 euro per hour and usually 150 euro for the first meeting with almost everything included (no anal and CIM which I haven't asked since they are not my thing), but after the first meeting, I usually paid less and sometimes 80 euro for 30 min because I am 30-min guy LOL.

Thank you.

Do you pay by the hour? Around here, the usual practice is to pay per meet, or even per week or per month if the deal becomes a long term arrangement. As Steve said, it could be a couple of hours or 3 or 4 hours, depending on mutual availability, mutual schedules and level of interest. That said, it is very rare for any meet to end in less than 2 hours in my experience.

[Bfsie]

I'm curious from the Europeans what kind of prices you are paying.

In Germany where I know, there is no standard rate and every girl asks or accepts different price. Your tactics and strategy ultimately decide how much you have to pay. I never paid more than 200 euro per hour and usually 150 euro for the first meeting with almost everything included (no anal and CIM which I haven't asked since they are not my thing), but after the first meeting, I usually paid less and sometimes 80 euro for 30 min because I am 30-min guy LOL.

[Mongerer88]

I don't understand what you mean with sugar baby, is it MILF prostitutes, if yes I will never pay for them so easy to get for free in normal life, for me the girls must be young, fresh. I am 60 YO and this is difficult to get, but to date a 35 or 45 YO woman is very easy if you have some cash and you are not too stupid.

I thought this lady who did her college thesis on Sugar Babying did a really good job.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

It is cited in some more sensationalized articles.

https://www.mndaily.com/article/2019...y-of-minnesota

Like all sex work, it encompasses a wide variety of ages. A consistent theme of many female participants is that they do not consider themselves prostitutes. None of us really know quite what to think of that statement, since we all like prostitutes.

Now that the United States in particular has made it relatively more difficult for escorts to advertise, there appears to be an increase in the interest in the Sugar Baby system. For escorts and Johns with existing lists, the new USA Law was not quite as much of an immediate concern, but for a lot of the new "relationships", the Sugar Baby system is getting a lot of attention. But it is a different structure than seeing an escort since it is geared toward longer-term arrangements.

Time will tell how it all turns out. For what it is worth, internally the Sugar Baby sites are reported to be trying to keep more traditional escorts from joining and advertising by monitoring ads and conversations within their websites.

[Bfsie]

I don't understand what you mean with sugar baby, is it MILF prostitutes, ...

No, it is not MILF prostitutes. I only do sugarbabies at age 18 and 19, as many readers here probably know from my previous posts that my preference of the girls is under 20 (18+). Actually one of my sugar babies was a virgin when I had sex with her the first time, whom I still see from time to time. I wrote about her in one of my previous posts although I wasn't sure if she was a virgin at that time and she admitted to me recently she was indeed a virgin.

[Pistons]

Good question and I think they should. I think that sugarbaby / sugardaddy is the future of paid sex if mongers look for paid sex with good quality.

Now 80% of my sessions are with sugar babies. That is why I haven't posted anything here for a while and don't plan to write anything here in the future except on the subjects related to sugarbaby. Thank Steve, Pessimist and others for bringing up this subject. I would try to contribute my take on this subject if it comes up here in the future.

But what does that have to do with FKK's?

Personally I think the future lies in brain machine interfaces, and sex in a VR world where touch feels realistic. But it is at least 5 years away, and probably 10 before it has started maturing with content and good interfaces.

[Member #4636]

I don't understand what you mean with sugar baby, is it MILF prostitutes, if yes I will never pay for them so easy to get for free in normal life, for me the girls must be young, fresh. I am 60 YO and this is difficult to get, but to date a 35 or 45 YO woman is very easy if you have some cash and you are not too stupid.

Sugar babies are not MILFS, girls offering illusion to older and generous men and in exchange they get a flat monthly income or they pay for their studies, travel etc. A more modern way of prostitution, it is like an agreement between both sides.

[ExpatLover]

Good question and I think they should. I think that sugarbaby / sugardaddy is the future of paid sex if mongers look for paid sex with good quality.

Now 80% of my sessions are with sugar babies. That is why I haven't posted anything here for a while and don't plan to write anything here in the future except on the subjects related to sugarbaby. Thank Steve, Pessimist and others for bringing up this subject. I would try to contribute my take on this subject if it comes up here in the future.

I don't understand what you mean with sugar baby, is it MILF prostitutes, if yes I will never pay for them so easy to get for free in normal life, for me the girls must be young, fresh. I am 60 YO and this is difficult to get, but to date a 35 or 45 YO woman is very easy if you have some cash and you are not too stupid.

[Pessimist]

Good question and I think they should. I think that sugarbaby / sugardaddy is the future of paid sex if mongers look for paid sex with good quality.

Now 80% of my sessions are with sugar babies. That is why I haven't posted anything here for a while and don't plan to write anything here in the future except on the subjects related to sugarbaby. Thank Steve, Pessimist and others for bringing up this subject. I would try to contribute my take on this subject if it comes up here in the future.

FKKs are awesome but they are great if you live in Germany and perhaps live in close proximity to some of the nicer clubs. They also work for the folks who are wealthy enough to fly several times a year to DE and spend several thousand dollars per trip.

For others, their neighborhood mongering is still the way to go. Yes, if the dude can fly to Frankfurt a couple of times a year those FKK visits are still cherished. But a man needs sex not just twice a year but all year around.

In the past, local laws and politicians and LE made local mongering difficult. The issue was always about information. But today, governments' ability to control information is breaking down.

I have said before but there is a thriving semi professional and amateur paid sex scene in the US. I have been using it for more than a handful of years. The good news is that with time, the supply and demand have both grown and it has become a bigger, deeper market. Interestingly, when a market becomes bigger, wider, deeper, prices become standardized without a regulating agency like a FKK owner. Sure, prices are local and vary between NYC and Omaha but in any given locality prices are now in a narrower range than even 3 years ago based on my experience. Whereas in the past I might have gotten quotes of 150 to 1000 per meet from Poorly informed girls a few years ago, now they are in a smaller narrower range if you exclude a few extreme outliers.

You can find these girls on multiple platforms too. Tinder has a thriving semi pro market. The other gentleman mentioned seeking.com and there are other sites although seeking.com is the largest. Many girls are on multiple sites. There are perennial girls whose sole income stream comes from being a sugarbabe and there are others who come to a site to make a quick thousand for an upcoming iPhone purchase or to pay for a plane fare and do this as a one time.

And I think LE is neither able to nor interested in killing this market. When it is a peer to peer messaging between several millions of guys and guys and you do the math, they simply do not have the bandwidth. Everyone is participating — doctors, lawyers, respectable businessmen, perhaps even many policemen, pols. As long as the girls are not standing in the seedy part of town and a guy picking her up while you are behind them at the traffic lights, no one is complaining. And you cane discrete in your communication. No one asks "do you want to fuck for $300?" just in case LE is snooping. "What do you like to do" "I'm open to anything" voila. You know the girl will put out for sex, then meet in person and negotiate pricing.

Plus, the other change that has happened is that in the western societies, girls have a very laid attitude to sex now, far more lax than even 20 years ago. Making a quick 300 for a hookup is no longer such a taboo. Everyone is happy. Be nice, look and smell nice and spend some time in developing a relationship, the girl provides a nice GFE experience willingly and she even enjoys the hookup as much as you do.

As I said in another post which seems deleted for some reason, it is far more advantageous if you live in a less expensive region. I'm curious from the Europeans what kind of prices you are paying. In the more expensive cities like NYC and SF, $400 doesn't go very far. But try your luck in Dallas or Houston, Phoenix or Atlanta, Indianapolis or Tampa, you can get quite lucky for 300 or even 200. I travel a good amount for work, and have established semi regular sugarbabes in a few cities. And in my own city, there are several hundreds even in the 18 to 25 year age range who are happily putting out.

Don't get me wrong, I still love FKKs and still making multiple trips a year. But it is not my only avenue for paid sex.

[Bfsie]

Does anyone think that admin might create a topic for Sugar Daddy dating?

Good question and I think they should. I think that sugarbaby / sugardaddy is the future of paid sex if mongers look for paid sex with good quality.

Now 80% of my sessions are with sugar babies. That is why I haven't posted anything here for a while and don't plan to write anything here in the future except on the subjects related to sugarbaby. Thank Steve, Pessimist and others for bringing up this subject. I would try to contribute my take on this subject if it comes up here in the future.

[Downandup]

Steve9696, completely off topic but much appreciated. I've wondered if this would be a good way to hook up and I think that one day I might use it if circumstances allow.

Does anyone think that admin might create a topic for Sugar Daddy dating?

[Willsg]

Hello everyone,

Firstly, thank you to everyone for the brilliant reports and reviews on this forum. It's definitely made it a well of knowledge for those of us who're less familiar or new to the scene.

I'm going to be in the region in October and will be making a special detour to Frankfurt for my first and probably only experience of the FKK scene ever!

However, I only have 1 night! Try as I may, I won't get more than the 1 night in Frankfurt. So I really to make the visit worth it and while I've done a bit of research here, I still thought I'the ask all of you for any advice that might tip the scales in terms of clubs or travel arrangement.

In terms of club, I've pretty much settle on either Sharks or Oase as everything I've read here points to those beings the biggest in terms of size and LU. I doubt I could make both in the same night so given that.

1. Is there a clear winner in terms of whether I should choose Sharks or Oase? Or are both on the same level and it just comes down to preference? I'll be going on Sat night.

2. Should I stay in Frankfurt or Darmstadt if I go to Sharks?

3. How much is taxi to Oase or Sharks from Frankfurt and are they easy to come by?

Thank you all for your help!

[Sirioja]

From 2011 to 2015, when was golden years, I remember my Russian nights in Paris, Milano or Torino. It, taking escorts at 10.30/11 pm, starting with restaurant with Paris by night visit, sometimes perfume or Disney gift for child for little mum, then they were so passionate for sex until 3/4 am, for 200/250 out of agency, sometimes cancelling appointments. I think about 20 Russian nights. With Anna from Ufa in Ural, far deep Russia, had in Paris, Milano and Torino. I remember our first night, I booked her on a Saturday evening at 10.30 pm, not our first meeting, when I arrived she was exhausted because she had nothing to eat, she started to cry so I told her: we go to restaurant, she kissed me, shame on me on champs Elysées and in the restaurant, the model on high heels with the tramp in sport clothes. She asked me where were toilets in restaurant, I showed her and asked her when she had short skirt: when You come back, You put off your panty and give me, erotic game in restaurant and after in Paris. We stayed together until 8 am, I ordered a big breakfast for her, when I booked her for 1 hour for 250,50 % for star escorts agency. She was free on Sunday, I had to take care of my mother, but Anna asked me to return to her after, I came back to her, taking her visiting again Paris, then restaurant, then bed again. She didn't tell about money, I put 200 on table when I left at 4 am, sent her message to tell her, she answered: I understood what man You are. Unfortunately 5 months later she was attacked by a fake client who robbed escorts threatening them, but we kept on meeting in Italy for more than 1 year. So enjoyable nights, more real and quite cheap rate compare to agency. At this time, my company paid most of diners and even few presents, and I was the less expensive guy for restaurant spending.