Angeles City

[Engine Driver]

Any recommendations for some laxed and hands-on bars.

The type of hands on action you are seeking is at Tickles and Mirrors bars in Burgos Street, Makati. AC does not get that wild. If you buy an LD, the girl will come and sit with you and you may touch her. She is not going to get naked, unzip your fly, give you a blow job in public and let you slip a finger up her ass hole. AC is all rather tame.

[Dg8787]

TBG.

You did get scammed. You might not have paid directly to the scammers but your stay was shorted leaving you to run out of town and the country quicker than hell. You lost time and money.

Please give more details like the hotel you stayed in, where you did you eat? Or ordered in? What did you give the girl for the first date?

I personally like bargirls as I know I won't get scammed and there is some protection from it. You never know what you will get from online girls. They do look like a cheaper option but then it may really cost you!

[Thampi62]

Any recommendations for some laxed and hands-on bars.

I prefer Ponytails and Insomnia followed by Angel Witch among perimeter area. Ship wrecks in WS. For people watching and to try luck High Society.

[Member #4675]

Thank you for all the responses. Both private and here in the forum. Figured I respond to some of the questions / comments.

1. "If you are innocent, why did you run? Feels like an extreme reaction" - Look, I get it. After a couple of nights of sleep, a few thousand miles of distance and regaining the feeling of security, this entire episode feels like some dream and my reaction, in hindsight, feels silly and extreme. Thinking back, I guess I was acting in extreme caution. When she called me to mention the police complaint, I figured it could be one of two kinds of scams.

Scam 1- The woman is acting alone and hopes that the threat of a police complaint might make me pay her the amount she was asking for.

Scam 2 - The woman is partnering with the police and orchestrating this to get a big pay day (thousands of dollars).

Why did I run? I guess I could have called her bluff, but I figured it was not worth it. What if she was in fact involved with the cops and had I refused to pay, their next step would have been to barge into my hotel room and take me to the station where I would be threatened with jail unless I paid everything I owned? When I was talking to her on the phone, my first reaction was, "man how do I prove something I didn't do?" If it was down to her cousin's word over mine, did I really trust the judicial system of this country to follow the "innocent until prove guilty" motto? While I have grown up in a western country that has a strong rule of law, I trace part of my ancestory to a country where this is not the case. I have seen many second hand cases of how innocent people were not protected by the judiciary. So I decided to just leave. May be I could have just switched hotels or moved to a different city and stayed in Philippines rather than leaving the entire country, but I was just not ready to take that risk just to save my holiday or a few bucks. I am happy with my decision and if I am ever (god forbid) in such a situation again, I will probably take the same steps.

2. "Novice to the mongering scene" - I obviously fucked up, so I am not going to defend my mongering experience. But as I have been introspecting, its important to point out that I have more than 10 years of mongering experience and have visited Philippines and other countries in SE Asia and South America, multiple times. So I am quite disappointed in myself to have let this happen to me despite my years of experience. In hindsight, one of the biggest red flags was letting her cousins in my room to have lunch. May be I wanted to feel like the magnanimous foreigner offering free food to her family, may be I was just enjoying my time with her and I misconstrued the good times to mean she is a good person and let my guard down, or maybe I am in that stage of my life where I am seeking experiences from such encounters / trips that are more than just sex. In hindsight, I should have been more careful and obviously going to be moving forward.

3. "Why seek a lawyer if this didn't happen and you have already left the country?" - My rationale was, if the scam involved registering an actual complaint (I mean, its not hard to register a fake complaint), then do I really need an official complaint exist in some country, following me for the rest of my life? Who knows how that might come back to bite me. I figured, I at least find out. This was my initial reaction, but again, after couple of nights of sleep, all of this seems bizarre and distant. So may be I won't bother. But I don't know. The overtly cautious personality of mine might compel me to just find out than let the nagging thought persist in my head.

4. "If you actually did this, then you are not safe in your home country" - I didn't do it. I don't think I need to invest my time trying to convince an online stranger of my innocence.

5. Will I return to Philippines- I don't know. Certainly not in the near future. This entire episode has left me with a bad taste and revisiting this country will only bring back those memories. Not something I want to experience when I am on a vacation, looking to have a good time. May be once this has all faded off and I have regained my confidence, may be I will.

6. Lessons learned- Apart from the "don't let strangers, especially, if they look like minors, in the room", I will, from now on, always keep my actual hotel room safe from everyone and shift my encounters to an hourly rate hotel. This is easy as I generally prefer short time encounters anyway. I will also start taking photos of the IDs of the girls I hook up with. I already don't consume any alcohol on trips just so I stay sharp and have my senses with me, so I will just continue to do that.

Thank you for all of the comments. I feel bit more relaxed sharing this all here. This is a great forum and I have benefited from it. I have been a passive consumer of content on this website but I used to repay in other ways by being a paid member of the site. I will try to do more moving forward and start to actively post about my trips too.

Thank you all and especially to those who DM'ed me with support and suggestions.

[WestCoast1]

If you did not do it, you have no worries.

Respectfully disagree. A variety of this type of scam exists for this reason: Its profitable. Young ladies do this for a living. Most likely its just a scam involving the girls, not the police (or a fake police officer). He really did make mistakes, the biggest one was to allow a new girl to bring other young ladies into his hotel (that kind of activity is the province of your many-years, many-visits regulars).

NI asked if the OP made the right call by running. Maybe. You have to have experienced this to understand the fear: being jailed for something you didn't do. Only the gent in the situation can make that call. It is extremely difficult to: Prove something you DIDN'T do.

If you did not do anything wrong, you really need to post the name of the scammer you met online and maybe prevent another guy from having the same issues with her.

I might agree, and post her pic and a pic of her eye dee. However, I doubt the OP bothered with any of that (another mistake; had he taken a picture of the girl and her eye dee, there is little chance that she would have bothered with any of this).

[Goferring]

Not that I am stupid enough to go with younger girls than the law says but (experienced mongers) would you have fled like he did?

Was his response extreme? Whats the best way to handle this situation? (on the basis that he didn't do anything with younger girls).

Assuming TBG was a new guy to town with little idea how things work then he did the right thing. Its always better safe than sorry.

In the end it cost him very little and none of it went to the fraudster.

The best response is not to get into similar situations in the first place: get blind drunk, chase skanks, stagger home at 4 am, just don't do all 3 at once. Stay under the radar: girls and cops are looking for easy marks so don't be that guy that's throwing money around with abandon, chasing really young girls or putting yourself into risky situations.

If shit does go down then pay early and pay at the scene. Do not escalate the situation and sort it out with family or at the police station. The more people involved, the more it will cost and the longer it will take. If you go in to a cell, you are fucked.

If you want to talk your way out of it and call their bluff, know what you are talking about and do it confidently. I had a girl threaten to call the cops on me once and I just handed her my phone and told her she could call any General in my contact list that she wanted. That I said this in the local language and knew many LE helped.

Enjoy. G.

[Run Mann]

Let me know if you have any advise.

Send a PM to the most knowledgeable man in these parts, Sir Choca Monger. He will advise you of the steps to take in this situation.

[NewImage]

Not that I am stupid enough to go with younger girls than the law says but (experienced mongers) would you have fled like he did?

Was his response extreme? Whats the best way to handle this situation? (on the basis that he didn't do anything with younger girls).

[PedroMorales]

If you did not do it, you have no worries.

This is wrong. The laid back vibes make us relaxed and let down our guard. Vet everyone you let into your space there and size up all possible risks. You are conducting a business transaction, not going to the Proms. As I have repeatedly said, you must have a long check list of danger signs. One such sign is inviting dodgy women to your room for no purpose. The system there is corrupt and no one will make the necessary effort to rescue you from yourself. The dude made the right choice by splitting. Look at these women as Apache scouts. Once they report back, the Big Chief, as often as not a ladyboy, wonders if you are worth scalping.

You don't want to be sipping a good Domaine Leroy Chambertin Grand Cru and the door comes in on you.

You do not want to get entangled with what passes for the Pinoy law system. Do not play the odds. Russian Roulette is better if you want to go out with a bang and not a whimper in an over crowded Pinoy prison with no room service.

[Robbaf]

Later in that night this girl starts frantically calling me telling me that her cousin, who turns out to be minor is threatening to go to the police saying I had sex with her and she is currently held by the police but she can protect both of us if I come and pay some money as bride to the cops (just a small amount as apparently she was friends with the cops).

Let me know if you have any advise. Apologies for the grammatical, spelling errors. I am typing this while still shaken by the whole episode!

Write if off as a lesson learned. If it was a true setup, I think they (cops) would have been waiting at the hotel for you to return to your room. The fact that she texted you lead more to she is working a scam. If you did not do it, you have no worries. As others have said if you did, what were you thinking?

If you did not do anything wrong, you really need to post the name of the scammer you met online and maybe prevent another guy from having the same issues with her.

Robb.

[Turgid]

.............Let me know if you have any advise. Apologies for the grammatical, spelling errors. I am typing this while still shaken by the whole episode!

On the other hand if you did have sex with the minor you could be in for serious problems even in your home country.

[Turgid]

Folks, thought I share my recent Angeles city experience. I found a girl on a dating site who I messaged with and agreed to meet when I come to AC. Once I reached out to all the girls I had connected with including her. We exchanged viber numbers and she agreed to come to my room later in the afternoon.

At the specified time, the front desk called me to confirm that a visitor was here to see me. I let her in and we had a really good time. So we agreed to meet again the next day too.

On the second instance once she came into the room, she said her two cousins are nearby and would like to have lunch at the hotel (we were anyway about to order in room service). I didn't really give it much thought and honestly two extra meals wouldn't break my bank. They both arrived and we had lunch and all of them left.

Later in that night this girl starts frantically calling me telling me that her cousin, who turns out to be minor is threatening to go to the police saying I had sex with her and she is currently held by the police but she can protect both of us if I come and pay some money as bride to the cops (just a small amount as apparently she was friends with the cops).

I made up some excuse and told her I am currently outside Angeles and that it will take me at least two hours to get to my hotel. In the meantime I dash to the hotel, pack up everything, call a cab to the Manila airport and book a one way flight out of the country for a flight scheduled to leave 4 hours later. All this while she is texting me telling me how she is in a safe house now and she will be jailed in the morning etc etc and I kept telling her I am on my way.

Thankfully I reached the airport and left the country, safe, without paying any money.

She still continues to message me saying she will "tell everything to the judge" unless I pay her the money. She oscillates between threats and beggary to convince me to pay. I am obviously not going to pay anything.

I am considering consulting a lawyer in Manila just to be safe In case they have in fact filed a case against me. I want the lawyer to verify this for my own peace of mind. If on the odd chance that they have filed a bogus claim just to scare me more, doesn't hurt to have a lawyer.

If any of you know a good lawyer in Manila, please DM me.

I have intentionally kept the dates and locations a bit vague.

Let me know if you have any advise. Apologies for the grammatical, spelling errors. I am typing this while still shaken by the whole episode!

If you did not have sex with the minor I don't see what you have to worry about. If you did not have sex with the minor then you know its a scam and they know its a scam. If that's the case then why on earth do you need a lawyer? At financial expense and loss of entertainment to yourself you evaded the scammers by fleeing the country; when they come to that realization they will just look for another victim.

[D Cups]

Folks, thought I share my recent Angeles city experience. I found a girl on a dating site who I messaged with and agreed to meet when I come to AC. Once I reached out to all the girls I had connected with including her. We exchanged viber numbers and she agreed to come to my room later in the afternoon.

At the specified time, the front desk called me to confirm that a visitor was here to see me. I let her in and we had a really good time. So we agreed to meet again the next day too.

On the second instance once she came into the room, she said her two cousins are nearby and would like to have lunch at the hotel (we were anyway about to order in room service). I didn't really give it much thought and honestly two extra meals wouldn't break my bank. They both arrived and we had lunch and all of them left.

Later in that night this girl starts frantically calling me telling me that her cousin, who turns out to be minor is threatening to go to the police saying I had sex with her and she is currently held by the police but she can protect both of us if I come and pay some money as bride to the cops (just a small amount as apparently she was friends with the cops).

You did the right thing TBG.

[PedroMorales]

Posters seem to forget in the casino, the house always wins. Years ago, I picked up a hooker in my home town, we had some drinks, back alley fun and then more drinks where she insisted.

Though it is true the hookers of Pampanga are all angels, you must remember the ladyboys and others trying to ponce a living from them and feeding them lines to do you over. As they are not master criminals, their stories will have more leaks in them than the Iraqi navy. Swim with the sharks but be ready for evasive action. Weigh up each and every one of their moves for a scam.

[Goferring]

So either this is a case of YMMV or me and my friends have been fucking absolute dogs for all these years. Because I do not have any friends that are paying AC freelancers 2,000, 2,500, and 3,000 pesos. If those are the prices they are giving you then you are being had or they are using hella price discrimination.

Enough of this he said / she said arguement.

What are others paying online hookups in the Philippines? I'm assuming no one is fucking pigs just to save 500 p. 😁.

I'm 2 k in the provinces, 3 k in major towns. All LT or half that for ST.

Cheers. G.