Pattaya Reports

[Franciscass]

In an environment where the strong sales pitch is "Please take me! I love you! I know what you will like! Everything up to you! I want to make you happy! I do everything for you! Jing jing!" and in so many cases they really do mean it (i.e. Bangkok and other P4P destination in Asia and elsewhere), he found the level of refusal to agree to bareback in Pattaya either in the bar after a drink or in the room where all systems are Go with no mention of a condom and only repeated chants of "Up to you! I do everything for you!" until the moment of penetration when "the flow" comes to a screetching halt, to reach a high water mark of bullshit compared to other places in Thailand.

I was simply reporting his take on it and the word he used. I don't disagree with him. That is why I rarely bother with Pattaya and much prefer Bangkok.

I obviously misinterpreted your post ET. I thought you were saying refusing BB was bullshit.

Its more than bullshit its a scam if BB or anything else was agreed to and then refused back in the room.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

As a reluctant condom user, allow me to jump into this conversation. First, I am not aware that there is a Sagami 0.01 L condom on the market. The Sagami 0.01 Regular is too tight for average Western dicks. I can't use them. Second, as we all know, Sagami does make a 0.02 L condom. This size is adequate for me and most average Westerners and it is one of the best condoms on the market. I buy boxes of the damn things before every trip. HA HA. However, comparing the Sagami 0.02's feeling or lack thereof to BB is a joke. It is not even close, so although I come to SE Asia prepared for covered full service, if I find the girl is attractive and she looks and smells hygienic, I will always barback her when given the opportunity. Snip.

You are correct in that there does not appear to be a Sagami Large 001 available, but there are Okamoto Large 001 available, as I have bought them on ebay. I suggested trying the 001 condoms to Eih Tooms, not the 002.

[EihTooms]

I prefer BKK over Pat too for a variety of reasons, however, the last time I was in PATTAYA for a 4 night long weekend, I shagged 3 Go Go girls, and repeated with one of them, then one afternoon Soi 6 girl, and one afternoon Gentlemen's Club girl. I barebacked the repeat Sensations Go Go girl on the 2nd night and the Soi 6 girl. That's 2 out 5. Not bad and in line with my prior stats and I am pretty sure I could have barebacked the G Club gal too, but I chose caution with that one, although she was a charming little waif and I really enjoyed my time with her.

BTW, I had such a good time in Pat last time that I am doubling up and plan to spend 8 nights in Pat in May. What can I say? It's a fun town. 555.

Natty, I totally agree with you about the value of repeats. Can't say I routinely get takers for bareback on a repeat. But it happens.

And I am pretty much at your 25% rate of success in getting it when I just go with the flow, say nothing about it upfront before I take the girl and see what happens in the room.

But for those of us who are not even partially fine with wearing a condom and, therefore, getting an absolute No to bareback means no sexual finish is in store with this lady, 25% is a damn bad rate of success for getting any money's worth at all. LOL. My costs for pussy would be 4X the going rate.

So that is why getting an upfront agreement from a new girl is the much more practical though surely the much more challenging way to go. Even the repeat option, which I employ only occasionally these days, pushes my cost for that particular girl to 2X the going rate.

I am also a big enough fan of BBBJ+CIM to happily opt for that in the room on those go with the flow sessions that end with an absolute No to bareback. Unfortunately, it has become increasingly clear to me after much unofficial survey taking that girls who are adamant about wearing coverage also tend not to be very good at BBBJ+CIM. There are exceptions. But not many. So relying too much on that option to justify the time, trouble and cost has its perils, too.

[EihTooms]

Have you considered trying Oakmoto or Sagami large 001 condoms to see if they can provide enough sensation for you to come without going bareback?

I have tried so many of them over the years I must have tried those or something close. It seems most of the highly reviewed condoms are not available in Thailand so I have ordered them online over the years. Last year I ordered some Trojan NaturaLamb condoms on the recommendation of a fellow punter. They felt about the best I have ever tried. Of course, being made of organic material, they only prevent pregnancy and do nothing to prevent disease, if that matters to you. Says so right on the package. Which is why they felt so much better than others I suppose.

I tried them for 3 sessions with 3 different girls. I never finished in any of those sessions. But I did remain sort of erect long enough for the girl to go crazy in cowgirl for a while. I would say it was about 80% fully erect. Which meant all that cowgirl pounding was happening on a dick that was getting squeezed and pulled along the way like an accordian. That action bruised enough of the internal tissues of my dick to leave me with more than moderate pain for a few days afterwards until everything healed. No sex during that time.

I have not used one of those since then.

[Member #4698]

That is why I rarely bother with Pattaya and much prefer Bangkok.

I prefer BKK over Pat too for a variety of reasons, however, the last time I was in PATTAYA for a 4 night long weekend, I shagged 3 Go Go girls, and repeated with one of them, then one afternoon Soi 6 girl, and one afternoon Gentlemen's Club girl. I barebacked the repeat Sensations Go Go girl on the 2nd night and the Soi 6 girl. That's 2 out 5. Not bad and in line with my prior stats and I am pretty sure I could have barebacked the G Club gal too, but I chose caution with that one, although she was a charming little waif and I really enjoyed my time with her.

BTW, I had such a good time in Pat last time that I am doubling up and plan to spend 8 nights in Pat in May. What can I say? It's a fun town. 555.

[EihTooms]

"Turned off by the bullshit".

Jeez ET, a girl who doesn't want to risk contacting a STD by going bareback is what? A dud a failure, a freak, a loser.

BBFS is not safe something almost all working girls know and wisely chose not to do.

I sympathize with your problem of not be able to pop with a cover, your regular testing, circumcision vasectomy etc but why denigrate girls who don't want to risk their health.

In an environment where the strong sales pitch is "Please take me! I love you! I know what you will like! Everything up to you! I want to make you happy! I do everything for you! Jing jing!" and in so many cases they really do mean it (i.e. Bangkok and other P4P destination in Asia and elsewhere), he found the level of refusal to agree to bareback in Pattaya either in the bar after a drink or in the room where all systems are Go with no mention of a condom and only repeated chants of "Up to you! I do everything for you!" until the moment of penetration when "the flow" comes to a screetching halt, to reach a high water mark of bullshit compared to other places in Thailand.

I was simply reporting his take on it and the word he used. I don't disagree with him. That is why I rarely bother with Pattaya and much prefer Bangkok.

[Member #4698]

Have you considered trying Oakmoto or Sagami large 001 condoms to see if they can provide enough sensation for you

As a reluctant condom user, allow me to jump into this conversation. First, I am not aware that there is a Sagami 0.01 L condom on the market. The Sagami 0.01 Regular is too tight for average Western dicks. I can't use them. Second, as we all know, Sagami does make a 0.02 L condom. This size is adequate for me and most average Westerners and it is one of the best condoms on the market. I buy boxes of the damn things before every trip. HA HA. However, comparing the Sagami 0.02's feeling or lack thereof to BB is a joke. It is not even close, so although I come to SE Asia prepared for covered full service, if I find the girl is attractive and she looks and smells hygienic, I will always barback her when given the opportunity.

And as I have reported numerous times, my bareback percentages climb to near 75% and higher with subsequent repeats. As a result, there is not one favorite repeat girl that I plan to see when I return to SE Asia, that I will not bareback when I see her. All my perennial repeat girls bareback me. This is why I will spend a good deal of my time and money on condom sex with attractive New Girls, because I don't want to cut down on the widest possible field of good looking eligible girls when I go out hunting, especially when I know that the keepers will all eventually bareback me. Of course, there are countries, I won't name them on the open forum, where the girls are much more open to bareback than Thai girls. I think we all know which countries I am referring to. So, it's up to each and everyone of us on how we want to handle this condom conundrum. Rock on!

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Snip. But here is the kicker. That friend of mine had essentially the same rate of failure to hook up with a good girl who gives good service in Pattaya as I do! LOL. Now, I need to clarify that he is strictly a barebacker, same as me. So that is the minimal starting point for him to qualify for "good" sex for money. And he is fine with "going with the flow" as well as clearing up all the condom issues before taking a girl. Snip.

Have you considered trying Oakmoto or Sagami large 001 condoms to see if they can provide enough sensation for you to come without going bareback?

[Sammon]

"Turned off by the bullshit".

Jeez ET, a girl who doesn't want to risk contacting a STD by going bareback is what? A dud a failure, a freak, a loser.

BBFS is not safe something almost all working girls know and wisely chose not to do.

I sympathize with your problem of not be able to pop with a cover, your regular testing, circumcision vasectomy etc but why denigrate girls who don't want to risk their health.

For those of us who are used to barebacking we look to bareback. We did mongering long time and barebacking was normal especially in Thailand Nd Philippines. Still you can find some in Thailand and common still in Philippines. Never in China unless you are dating a girl. Most other countries are No.

Having said that one can always try and if the girl agrees to take the risk so be it.

I would not bareback a street walking girl. I have taken girls from massage places and some are willing. From a go go bar it is a hit and miss.

Not wanting to go bareback entirely depends on the girl.

[Franciscass]

Oops! Make that South Asians.

[Franciscass]

But here is the kicker. That friend of mine had essentially the same rate of failure to hook up with a good girl who gives good service in Pattaya as I do! LOL. Now, I need to clarify that he is strictly a barebacker, same as me. So that is the minimal starting point for him to qualify for "good" sex for money. And he is fine with "going with the flow" as well as clearing up all the condom issues before taking a girl.

In his 4 nights there he found exactly one girl that he had an attraction for and was good to go bareback with him. And she was actually a rather plain jane compared to all the hotties tripping over themselves to just touch him.

He was so turned off by the bullshit, he just repeated that same girl two days.

Go figure.

All show and no go with too many of the Pattaya/Soi 6 girls? Could be. At least as far as what my friend and I consider worth the time, effort and money, that is.

"Turned off by the bullshit".

Jeez ET, a girl who doesn't want to risk contacting a STD by going bareback is what? A dud a failure, a freak, a loser.

BBFS is not safe something almost all working girls know and wisely chose not to do.

I sympathize with your problem of not be able to pop with a cover, your regular testing, circumcision vasectomy etc but why denigrate girls who don't want to risk their health.

[EihTooms]

I am too recent here to have known the "old" Soi 6 but I reckon 60 % of the girls eschew eye contact with me. That leaves enough girls to have sex with but I can't help thinking why the fuck so many don't want my business. They see me walk by 5 times a week shortly after opening time when clients are few.

On my trip to Pattaya a week or so ago, I was there primarily to meet and hang out with a friend of mine of several years from Wales. He is 28 years old, tall, blonde, handsome, built like Superman, a face like a young Paul Newman, quick-witted, personable, speaks more Thai than I do, lives a few months of the year in Hua Hin with his beautiful Thai girlfriend and their baby.

To say I am virtually invisible to the girls when I walk around with him is an understarement. LOL. Every other dude in the vicinity is invisible when this guy is strolling by. Eye contact? The girls climb over each other to jump on him. He can easily get it for free or nearly free most places, but he is not silly enough to accept it for free when he knows the girls need money.

He was fine with the looks of many Soi 6 girls. As I posted earlier, in terms if looks, on this trip to Pattaya I saw a few more better looking girls on Soi 6 than I'd seen before. Maybe that is a mixed blessing due to this Nightwish group's influence.

But here is the kicker. That friend of mine had essentially the same rate of failure to hook up with a good girl who gives good service in Pattaya as I do! LOL. Now, I need to clarify that he is strictly a barebacker, same as me. So that is the minimal starting point for him to qualify for "good" sex for money. And he is fine with "going with the flow" as well as clearing up all the condom issues before taking a girl.

In his 4 nights there he found exactly one girl that he had an attraction for and was good to go bareback with him. And she was actually a rather plain jane compared to all the hotties tripping over themselves to just touch him.

He was so turned off by the bullshit, he just repeated that same girl two days.

Go figure.

All show and no go with too many of the Pattaya/Soi 6 girls lately? Could be. At least as far as what my friend and I consider worth the time, effort and money, that is.

[Goatscrot]

I believe you are right. I don't have enough experience to tell the difference of how the girls look when they come from Isaan compared to other parts of the country, but I am sure there are differences. The girl I was with this weekend comes from someplace near Phuket she told me and that is far from Isaan I think.

You are the second guy responding that doesn't think it's impossible to find part-time weekend working girls in Pattaya that comes here from Bangkok to work during the weekends. Mr Enternational also has experience from girls working in the discos coming for the weekend, from Bangkok. The rest of the guys saw it as bullshit coming from a girl when they heard the story of a girl being in University in Bangkok during the weeks and come to freelance in Pattaya during the weekends.

I think it's refreshing to hear your and Mr Enternationals voices and I see you as open minded to see that the reality can be like that, and that not all girls found in Beach Road or the discos by default are lying trashy girls that basically are full of lies. I do know many girls lie but I don't assume that just because I hear a different story, that it must mean that the girl is lying. Those guys that automatically see girls as full of lies and not to be trusted at all, well to me that is being just narrow-minded, prejudiced and to see the girls in a simple-minded stereotype way.

Mr E and I have lots of experience in Thailand. I've lived here for over 20 years. Gals have been supplementing their incomes by doing a bit of P4 P on the side ad nauseam. Back in the day Thermae would be filled with part-timers the last weekend of the month as gals wanted to make a bit more than their meager office jobs paid them. I had gals drive me to the PB Hotel in their cars. BKK gals have been hitting Pattaya to work forever as well. They feel less exposed and are less likely to be seen by people they know there. Perhaps they head down with a friend and they both are looking for a little extra money. When they go to a disco and find a dude they are attracted to and he gives them some money, then they feel less like a working gal as opposed to putting a post up on finfinfan.

[Mr Enternational]

I reckon 60 % of the girls eschew eye contact with me. That leaves enough girls to have sex with but I can't help thinking why the fuck so many don't want my business.

How do they know that wanting your business means they need to make eye contact with you? Some people prefer passive and others prefer aggressive. Others are complaining about too many ugly chicks making eye contact with them.

If I like someone then I will make my interest known by giving them a hello and go from there. I won't say well if they are not jumping all over me or doing what in my mind they should be doing, then they do not want my business.

[Bdonkadonk]

I remember meeting part-time weekend workers in Pattaya down from BKK 15 plus years ago, mainly in discos. Most were great fun and far better looking that the run of the mill Isaan lasses.

I believe you are right. I don't have enough experience to tell the difference of how the girls look when they come from Isaan compared to other parts of the country, but I am sure there are differences. The girl I was with this weekend comes from someplace near Phuket she told me and that is far from Isaan I think.

You are the second guy responding that doesn't think it's impossible to find part-time weekend working girls in Pattaya that comes here from Bangkok to work during the weekends. Mr Enternational also has experience from girls working in the discos coming for the weekend, from Bangkok. The rest of the guys saw it as bullshit coming from a girl when they heard the story of a girl being in University in Bangkok during the weeks and come to freelance in Pattaya during the weekends.

I think it's refreshing to hear your and Mr Enternationals voices and I see you as open minded to see that the reality can be like that, and that not all girls found in Beach Road or the discos by default are lying trashy girls that basically are full of lies. I do know many girls lie but I don't assume that just because I hear a different story, that it must mean that the girl is lying. Those guys that automatically see girls as full of lies and not to be trusted at all, well to me that is being just narrow-minded, prejudiced and to see the girls in a simple-minded stereotype way.