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[PedroMorales]

Frankly I have never felt I was being scammed in Vietnam unless it was very obvious..

Viets would disagree with that. They think Hanoi folk are hard necked scammers.

[Goferring]

I think Chocha Monger exaggerates.

The Asian Financial Crisis, AIDS, SARS, 9/11, Volcanos, Sunamis, Earthquakes : tourism and hookers survive them all. If anything, prices dropped during the panics, for those brave enough to hunt off season.

Sure, recoveries were not overnight but pussy remained for sale.

Enjoy. G.

[PedroMorales]

I think Chocha Monger exaggerates. The airlines and others that survive will need passengers and will give good deals literally to put bums on seats. I stayed in 5* Egyptian hotels after the Israeli tourists were moved down ($5 a night and the same for an all day taxi). After World war 1, German housewives sold themselves for pennies, as did Greeks after their economy went oops.

Let us not also forget Angeles bounced back after being covered in sludge.

Duterte aside, the supply will be there but what of the demand? Woen have been selling themselves ever since the devil banged Eve in The Garden of Eden so the game will continue. But where? The corona virus is just one more massive inconvenience on top of many others. I think it is time to shop local but the corner store does not provide the same products. With supply chains down, they are out of LBFMs.

[Mr Enternational]

Most definitely, the game has changed. The days when mongers boarded a flight, landed in Flipsville, and whipped their cocks out for service are over. It is anyone's guess if the good old days of BBFSCIP on arrival will ever return. Even when flights resume they will be pricey and there may be tighter entry restrictions and quarantine requirements. The Wuhan virus has not fully ravaged the Philippines yet. When the mass burials begin, mongers should expect increasingly draconian measures to fight the outbreak. Mongers creaming in their hands in anticipation of returning to LBFM Paradise should curb their enthusiasm and accept that it is not going to be more fun in the Philippines for quite some time.

It is really tripping me out how people in various threads are acting like this is just a normal holiday where everything is closed and tomorrow when the holiday is over everything will go back to normal. Well it is not that. It is economic destruction. First you have to understand like you said that the days of just waltzing up into a country are over. Then you have to realize that many people are out of work, which means people will not have money to travel as they did before. Nobody is going to send a plane loaded with 10 people to the Philippines, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Colombia, or any other place that mongers like to frequent. No hotel is going to open its doors to only service 3 mongers that just came into town.

There is supply and demand at work. Here in Pattaya pretty much everything that does not deal with food is shut down. Many hotels are closed. Many bars, massage parlors, salons are now even empty of their furnishings, which means they do not plan to open again. All the workers (including sex workers) have gone back to their villages. It will not be like tomorrow this thing is over and the place just fills up with tourists and workers again. It will be starting from zero; just like when it was a fishing village. It will take a gradual buildup. You are not going to get a bunch of girls with no mongers but it appears mongers are willing to go somewhere in hopes there will be girls there. Then if you do come in contact with the girls they are going to be afraid to catch something from you. The clubs and bars around here can not just pop back open because the owners do not have money to pay workers since they will have been closed the last few months. And who would even open a bar or club or hotel etc without any customers to patronize them?

Here we have guys planning when they are going to so and so and what they are going to do when they get there. All that stuff is subject to be shut down IF you can even get there. I am lucky that I have had my place here for the last 10 years, so I have all my creature comforts and everything set up just how I like it. There is no way I would want to be a tourist here at this time. You go get food and you go back to the place you are staying. I am sure that it stinks to high heaven. Shit, I do not have any earthly idea how I am going to even get back to the States when time comes. I can not just say I will go on June 10, because I have no idea if there will be any flights then if this virus shit is even over by then. I will just cross that bridge when I get to it. Any plans that you think you are making now are moot until this pandemic is over and things get sorted out.

[Goferring]

I used to go to the Philippines regularly. That stopped when my daughter insisted that I go to Vietnam for a trip together with her....

Goferring, If you have some specific questions shoot me a PM.

Nut.

Thanks for that. I have shot you a PM with some Q's but an enjoyable few hours or days sounds a lot better to me than a cascade of 40 minute hit and runs.

G.

[Amanut]

I used to go to the Philippines regularly. That stopped when my daughter insisted that I go to Vietnam for a trip together with her. I had concerns primarily around language. We quickly learned the Google Translate is your friend. Problem solved. She was a great teacher. She came from Aus. And I from Canada. We met in Hanoi. Over the course of 30 days, we did planes, trains, and automobiles from Hanoi to Saigon and into Cambodia. If your looking for an interesting cultural trip this is a great place to come. I am primarily a dating site guy, but once you know a Vietnamese woman she will offer ideas of where to travel together and have actually been there herself as compared to a Filipina who has just heard of a place and wants to see it. The next time I came back I spent a lot of time on the dating sites. I eventually met a few ladies that were interested in meeting and spending time together. They are more work, but at the same time I found them more attractive and once you have established a report They are enthusiastic open minded lovers.

My thoughts are:

The transportation system in Vietnam is far superior to the Philippines.

Your not paying first world prices in a third world hotel, plus most hotels have a pretty good breakfast included.

The food is far superior to the Philippines. Even street food is spectacular.

Morning iced coffee and chats with other customers watching the streets come alive are enlightening.

Flights are affordable and regular although your taking your chances on being late with VietJET.

The closeness of the beaches makes it more attractive even for a day trip.

Frankly I have never felt I was being scammed in Vietnam unless it was very obvious.

I was going back again in February after I was there in October except for this pesky virus. Hopefully September.

I am finding that with the virus issues and income challenges, more ladies are overtly suggesting a mutual trip with her for fiscal rewards.

Goferring, If you have some specific questions shoot me a PM.

Nut.

[Goferring]

Comparing Phi and Viet is useless for mongering. Firstly the problem is the language. Unless you live there and cultivate friendships you will not get the cream of the crop....
Economy in Vietnam has greatly improved and less and less girls are in prostitution unlike Philippines. In Philippines we have exploding population which works in our favor.

Few years ago I did some business there and had business contacts. They arranged some nice girls. But none would allow BBFS. They would stay LT.

Thanks for that. I guessed that the scene in VND is almost industrial. '000's of serious lookers available on kynu, hot tocs etc conveyor belts but for 45 minutes, with a list of in / exclusions. Normally, I enjoy a much more relaxed session.

Thanks again. G.

[Sammon]

I'm debating whether to extend my post Convid19 trip to Philiipnes or add a side excursion to Vietnam.

I've been to Vietnam before and had a great time but it was over 10 years ago.

So far research has identified:

Philippines has a greater opportunity for BBFS, LT, part timers and I already know my way around, have contacts etc.

Vietnam has generally better looking girls at all price points, copious opportunities for very cheap 45 minute HJ / BJ / FS sessions, more expensive and less common LT options and it would be something different.

Anyone else care to compare or contrast the two options? Any major points that I may have missed?

Thanks. G.

Comparing Phi and Viet is useless for mongering. Firstly the problem is the language. Unless you live there and cultivate friendships you will not get the cream of the crop. Most good looking girls are taken by Chinese who are entrenched in Vietnam. Yes, there are many.

Entertainment venues and girls but you are not going to Find Philippine warmth and friendship.

Economy in Vietnam has greatly improved and less and less girls are in prostitution unlike Philippines. In Philippines we have exploding population which works in our favor.

Few years ago I did some business there and had business contacts. They arranged some nice girls. But none would allow BBFS. They would stay LT.

[Goferring]

I'm debating whether to extend my post Convid19 trip to Philiipnes or add a side excursion to Vietnam.

I've been to Vietnam before and had a great time but it was over 10 years ago.

So far research has identified:

Philippines has a greater opportunity for BBFS, LT, part timers and I already know my way around, have contacts etc.

Vietnam has generally better looking girls at all price points, copious opportunities for very cheap 45 minute HJ / BJ / FS sessions, more expensive and less common LT options and it would be something different.

Anyone else care to compare or contrast the two options? Any major points that I may have missed?

Thanks. G.

[Chocha Monger]

June? He will be lucky to get there by November.

Most definitely, the game has changed. The days when mongers boarded a flight, landed in Flipsville, and whipped their cocks out for service are over. It is anyone's guess if the good old days of BBFSCIP on arrival will ever return. Even when flights resume they will be pricey and there may be tighter entry restrictions and quarantine requirements. The Wuhan virus has not fully ravaged the Philippines yet. When the mass burials begin, mongers should expect increasingly draconian measures to fight the outbreak. Mongers creaming in their hands in anticipation of returning to LBFM Paradise should curb their enthusiasm and accept that it is not going to be more fun in the Philippines for quite some time.

[Mr Enternational]

I would recommend not considering travel here until at least June.

June? He will be lucky to get there by November.

[GoodEnough]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the OP won't get in this month as a tourist even if he wants to: no VOAs are being issued to foreign arrivals and most airlines have cancelled inbound flights anyway.

I was scheduled to be there now but I'm expecting delays of several months before its wise and possible.

Enjoy. G.

That's correct, no flights and no visas, but in theory I believe that's supposed to be lifted the end of April. I think most people here are betting on an almost complete lockdown that will last at least through May. There's no reason to be here now as hotels are closed, even Air B&B places aren't accepting anyone, the streets are deserted and all bars (together with most other businesses) are closed. I went off of our property today for the first time in about 10 days to buy some meds, and it was like driving around a ghost town. The condo in which my friend is staying in Davao will not allow anyone in to visit him.

I have a friend who has a condo on Burgos St and he tells me that it too is deserted and nothing is open.

GE.

[Goferring]

I would recommend not considering travel here until at least June.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the OP won't get in this month as a tourist even if he wants to: no VOAs are being issued to foreign arrivals and most airlines have cancelled inbound flights anyway.

I was scheduled to be there now but I'm expecting delays of several months before its wise and possible.

Enjoy. G.

[GoodEnough]

Noooooo.

I was supposed to go last month. Was hoping to take a trip this month.

I would recommend not considering travel here until at least June. The local quarantines keep getting extended and the death rate keeps creeping up, and the government seems serious about keeping the lockdowns in place until the death rate falls dramatically. Testing here is still sparse and public health resources are not abundant, and the government is exercising great caution in lifting restrictions which are getting even tighter in many areas, including Davao where I live.

GE.

[TheTech08]

I am surprised nobody has posted an update.

Philippines has announced an extension of the Extended Community Quarantine (ECQ) until at least April 30.

No flights in or out before that date.

Noooooo.

I was supposed to go last month. Was hoping to take a trip this month.