Kyiv

[IndusMint]

Since the slow opening after corona I have been receiving plenty of contacts from girlfriends in ukraine, dubai, doha, bucharest pleading for financial help, it is right time for deals long term or short term, for details / contacts pm me.

[DramaFree11]

Moscow was once the most expensive city in Europe and those days could easily return. So if you develop a good set of contacts in Moscow now, it might be too expensive to visit those contacts in the future. There's also the possibility of another cold war between Russia and west, so that travel there becomes very difficult. Whereas Kyiv will likely be poor relative to western Europe for the next 50 years, and always open to westerners as allies against Russia. As for Petersburg, weather is terrible.

Think of Kyiv as a bargain market or yard sale: mostly overpriced junk, but with occasional underpriced jewels to be found by those with plenty of time and patience.

As many things on the Kiev thread are just not true. Here is another example. Moscow has been dirt cheap for a long time. I have given many examples of this. Simply not true about being expensive, you can read my reports.

Moscow will remain cheap as long as gas prices stay low and the financial crisis continues.

As far as the girls there is no comparison Moscow is way better.

Kiev is waste of time and resources. Definitely not a bargain.

[Kozerog]

Kiev vs Moscow or St Petersburg is always a hot topic on this thread.

Moscow was once the most expensive city in Europe and those days could easily return. So if you develop a good set of contacts in Moscow now, it might be too expensive to visit those contacts in the future. There's also the possibility of another cold war between Russia and west, so that travel there becomes very difficult. Whereas Kyiv will likely be poor relative to western Europe for the next 50 years, and always open to westerners as allies against Russia. As for Petersburg, weather is terrible.

Think of Kyiv as a bargain market or yard sale: mostly overpriced junk, but with occasional underpriced jewels to be found by those with plenty of time and patience.

[Gargano19]

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Ukrainian women are specially notorious for all kind of scams, needless to say I have been scammed by them a few times in my encounters. The last time was earlier this year by a student, an independent who I had been traveling with around the globe and seeing for a year. I also feel their beauty is exaggerated and they are not as attractive as their Russian counterparts, then again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I find them cold and manipulative and have vowed to avoid them.

Kiev vs Moscow or St Petersburg is always a hot topic on this thread. I have travelled both places as a tourist for a short time, and yes Russia was easier for me to find girls. Attitude wise too. I think the reason for that is options, Kiev just doesn't have that many options. Saying that, Both Kiev and Moscow were on list to travel this year, but don't know when I will visit there now. And how covid19 will change the scene?

[DramaFree11]

As with many others I too have had some not so pleasant experiences while mongering, we learn from our mistakes and move on and sometimes we repeat our mistakes, which is fine. Ukrainian women are specially notorious for all kind of scams, needless to say I have been scammed by them a few times in my encounters. The last time was earlier this year by a student, an independent who I had been traveling with around the globe and seeing for a year. I also feel their beauty is exaggerated and they are not as attractive as their Russian counterparts, then again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I find them cold and manipulative and have vowed to avoid them.

Well said, I could not agree more. Unfortunately this is what Kiev has become.

[John Corey]

We all had bad experiences with hooker and it's best to learn from it. Mine first experience as far as I can remember was full of crap.

One of my first experience with WG was years ago, seems like decades tho. It was a trainwreck. I met this girl on some escort site and exchanged contacts. She sent me couple of her pics and they looked hot. So I booked a room, asked her to come. We decided for 2 shots. She came and she looked way better than pics. Way hotter with tight curves and ready to be fucked. Now it was my first time with WG, so lot of things I did stupidly. Before even doing anything I asked how about we extend our meeting for whole night. WTF yes I know. She agreed and asked for full amount. Guess what, I gave her. Now she started rubbing my dick and I leaned in to kiss her. She moved away, and said, no kissing. LOL. Now I already asked for DFK, and she said she provides GFE. And now she said no kissing. If this has happened this or last decade, first of all I would not have given any money in advance and I would have kicked her out for turning and trying to rip me. But back then, I went ahead. Obviously she got the whole amount and she was in no mood to please me. So it was as mechanical as possible, and she wasn't even smiling when I was putting my dick in her. I couldn't come and asked her to leave. Which she did enthusiastically. Now like I said, trainwreck. But that was only time when some encounter went this bad.

As with many others I too have had some not so pleasant experiences while mongering, we learn from our mistakes and move on and sometimes we repeat our mistakes, which is fine. Ukrainian women are specially notorious for all kind of scams, needless to say I have been scammed by them a few times in my encounters. The last time was earlier this year by a student, an independent who I had been traveling with around the globe and seeing for a year. I also feel their beauty is exaggerated and they are not as attractive as their Russian counterparts, then again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I find them cold and manipulative and have vowed to avoid them.

[YummyPL]

But that was only time when some encounter went this bad.

Some lessons are learned the hard way. Anyone that has been doing this a long time in various parts of the world has learned some hard lessons.

[Gargano19]

I was able to watch her journey from her town to Kiev so I think it was actual. But yeah I was naive to agree to pay that much just for the date. Still learning hard lessons LOL.

We all had bad experiences with hooker and it's best to learn from it. Mine first experience as far as I can remember was full of crap.

One of my first experience with WG was years ago, seems like decades tho. It was a trainwreck. I met this girl on some escort site and exchanged contacts. She sent me couple of her pics and they looked hot. So I booked a room, asked her to come. We decided for 2 shots. She came and she looked way better than pics. Way hotter with tight curves and ready to be fucked. Now it was my first time with WG, so lot of things I did stupidly. Before even doing anything I asked how about we extend our meeting for whole night. WTF yes I know. She agreed and asked for full amount. Guess what, I gave her. Now she started rubbing my dick and I leaned in to kiss her. She moved away, and said, no kissing. LOL. Now I already asked for DFK, and she said she provides GFE. And now she said no kissing. If this has happened this or last decade, first of all I would not have given any money in advance and I would have kicked her out for turning and trying to rip me. But back then, I went ahead. Obviously she got the whole amount and she was in no mood to please me. So it was as mechanical as possible, and she wasn't even smiling when I was putting my dick in her. I couldn't come and asked her to leave. Which she did enthusiastically. Now like I said, trainwreck. But that was only time when some encounter went this bad.

[Lucky Nuts]

Showing WhatsApp location as proof is not a new scam by hookers. There are many apps which can spoof WhatsApp live location, and it's just couple of button clicks away.

I was able to watch her journey from her town to Kiev so I think it was actual. But yeah I was naive to agree to pay that much just for the date. Still learning hard lessons LOL.

[Gargano19]

Was she really where she said? Would a VPN be able to fool Whatapp? Never underestimate the IT capabilities of these girls. You should have offered to pay her ONLY her bus ticket, upon proof o f payment. , both ways, of course. If you hit it off during dinner, then you could have offered a little more.

Showing WhatsApp location as proof is not a new scam by hookers. There are many apps which can spoof WhatsApp live location, and it's just couple of button clicks away.

[Sorbonne]

Any field reports at this time?

I would love to see some old timers here who have migrated to Kiev and are well-immersed in the game to come out and tell us how much they are enjoying the current situation.

[Guntherus]

I've played our game all over the globe and Ukraine is the only place I did get sort of scammed so be cautious they are both more desperate for cash than most places and more cunning to acquire it. I met a girl on Seeking Arrangement that had model-like drop dead gorgeous pics. So we connected on Whatsapp and she agreed to send more pics to prove real. We negotiated at length our "arrangement". It was difficult because she lived several hours outside of Kiev where I was. After teaching her how to use whatsapp "live location" to verify she did in fact live hours away from Kiev we agreed I pay her $100 to make the trip and have dinner with me. As an aside the Last Barricade Restaurant is a must visit if you enjoy great theme restaurants. This theme being Ukraine's freedom from Russia's control. Request the tour. Great ambiance and excellent food too at very reasonable prices. We had an awesome date so to speak. The deal was that if all went well I would pay $100 more for her to stay overnight with me and bus home in the morning...

Interesting. The mindset of my girl is probably fixed on the fact that I paid her a sort of alimony without any active contribution from her. Her (almost) only contribution was photos and videos she kept sending me as signals that she was happy with all the attention she got from me. Maybe not so direct lies, when she assured me that I was the only contact from Mamba that she met or written to. But she must have interpreted my relatively generous lack of demands as her liberty to let go of the monogamous life I was steering her to. And she let me believe she agreed to. Besides the piercing of clit, I had persuaded her to stop shaving, which she hated, but surrendered to, as a signal of her adherance. I know, it is a bit creepy to some, but I like natural looks.

Kiev girls may need a stronger hand than I used, and the same applies to your girl when you slipped her the 100 dollar bill and not getting her confirmation that there was a mutual understanding. Why did she not tell you from the start that there was a special rule for first date? Did she invent it as she saw the opportunity? As you implicate, they are often more street wise than we, and read us well, especially when we don't have the language. I fully understand Koserog's logic and approve of it, but in our selfish efforts to keep some girl for us alone we also must take notice of individual character and intentions. I picked my girl partly because of her child, which she seems to protect like a lioness, but makes her more receptive to a submissive status with a foreign guy, who is considering to settle down in Kiev for some years to come. I am still open to rescue some part of my dream, but other girls are already under my arentgen-eye!

[Misterxxx]

Hey DramaFree,

I'm of the same opinion. I had a trip planned to Kiev and L'viv which has been cancelled due to the unpleasantness. When the world opens again, I'm looking for find a new quality place for our hobby (I'm usually in Prague or London).

From what I've read, Ukraine seems pretty cheap. Where are these cheaper / better places that you mentioned sir? Where would you direct someone instead of Kiev?

PM me if you don't want to bore the thread with details.

Safe mongering!

The difference between Ukraine and other countries is: women are too proud. Money is spent directly. For useless things. The girls live as if they were rich. However, there is no money to pay the next rent or the next taxi. But still they try to squeeze money out of customers.

OK. Not all women are like that. Some men are lucky and the women contacted are not bad. I'm glad I met a lot of these girls too. However, the chance of experiencing a flop is greater in Ukraine than in other countries. It starts with wrong profiles and fake photos. Dates when the girls don't appear. Without a message. Or "I'm coming right away". But 5 hours later she is still not there and the phone is off. If you are in Ukraine for a long time, you get used to it. But if you only go to Ukraine for a few days, you will quickly get annoyed.

[Stevie69]

I've played our game all over the globe and Ukraine is the only place I did get sort of scammed so be cautious they are both more desperate for cash than most places and more cunning to acquire it. I met a girl on Seeking Arrangement that had model-like drop dead gorgeous pics. So we connected on Whatsapp and she agreed to send more pics to prove real. We negotiated at length our "arrangement". It was difficult because she lived several hours outside of Kiev where I was. After teaching her how to use whatsapp "live location" to verify she did in fact live hours away from Kiev we agreed I pay her $100 to make the trip and have dinner with me. As an aside the Last Barricade Restaurant is a must visit if you enjoy great theme restaurants. This theme being Ukraine's freedom from Russia's control. Request the tour. Great ambiance and excellent food too at very reasonable prices. We had an awesome date so to speak. The deal was that if all went well I would pay $100 more for her to stay overnight with me and bus home in the morning. After dinner I slipped her the $100 as agreed fully expecting she would stay. But she told me she never does that on the first meeting. Oh well! I'm still glad I had met her but was surprised she was willing to spend about 8 hours on a bus roundtrip (I could follow her on whatsapp) for $100. Actually I was shocked any hot girl would spend that much time on a bus for $100. But I guess that's the state of affairs in Ukraine.

Was she really where she said? Would a VPN be able to fool Whatapp? Never underestimate the IT capabilities of these girls. You should have offered to pay her ONLY her bus ticket, upon proof o f payment. , both ways, of course. If you hit it off during dinner, then you could have offered a little more.

[Lucky Nuts]

Correct, Moscow is 1000 times better

I've been on the fence about visiting St. Pete and Moscow for some time now but think I'll go ahead and apply for the visa and do it on my next trip to that region. But I will also be visiting Kiev again so guess I like it more than some others here. Once you find the private apartments with university girls that speak fluent english it's all good. Paid $100 worth of UAH and insisted they come back to my place which took some convincing but was eventually agreed upon. The hard part is finding those "secret" apartments.