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06-01-20 10:42 #726
Posts: 22408Happy
Originally Posted by TeaInTheSun [View Original Post]
Anyway, when Switzerland is first after our bois de Boulogne to reopen risky playfield on 6 June like one of the most beautiful club I know, Freubad where I had a exceptional discovery of the club and 2 extreme GFE rooms with Anna. Ro on her second day, not speaking German nor English, but we really didn t need and her friend and desk understood, on last 1 August, as I told to desk: You are better than Globe, now they welcome me and propose me flexible package how I like, when my discovery cost 269 CHF, around 250 € with 2 rooms with a rare girl, really just fallen from the truck driven by her friend who seemed surprised I chose the newbie who couldn't speak, but a virgin fresh beauty versus a prostitute, even she was lovely. Nevertheless, better to be aware about risks and for relatives like wife, old mother. Quite impossible no virus in brothels, even when only Swiss until 15 June. So they delayed Globe opening to 19, because not enough girls and Swiss are not enough for business. But no need to rush, first I won t pay for mask sex, and I was so happy for my 2 first climbing days in my beloved mountains. When I arrived on Friday, I felt in my home land, I was so frustrated not to ski, I needed to go to walk with bicycle shoes in snow, I just felt good, when I remember some girls telling: this is not a place for you, at LR, GT, World, Sharks and Globe, not only once, one at LR proposed me to make appointment when and how long I wanted and then I could not stay in club, I know she tried her best to propose me, but as I told to Kate: appointment mean prostitution, where is desire? But wonderful France is for sure a place for me when my mother made me as a beauty lover, and I love so much our so beautiful mountains, when some may prefer our 3 big seas and little one Leman. Even I was quite impressed by performance after virus and 6 months without intensive sport, only killing skis on rocks for Christmas and giving up after 2 days, no interest to ski like this, but most important was to feel real freedom, no mask in mountains, and also great feeling on bicycle even more important than interesting climbing times. When I m sure I gave much more than 100 000 € in 7 years to Romania, if I go one day, I expect they will close Transfagarasan for me, to make a run as I told this is my only reason to go, to Megan, to compare with exceptionnal Prato Stelvio, when no need to go to Brasov to ski. What runs in la Madeleine or Cormet Roseland, motorbikes didn't insist, when over 160 in some lines, need left foot on brake to kick in, but less impressive than going downhill 70 km / h with very narrow tires bicycle, even more impressive than running 100 km / h on skis and so much more impressive than 250 on autobahns, so great fun in mountains and improving health and mood. So after working and paying tax under virus, I decided I will try to go on holidays every week end until end of my season in Mont Ventoux on end of September, in my wonderful country, of course I won't go to Negresco, I prefer to work and listen to my music: Californian Toto, legendary Led Zepellin, Neil Young, black heroe Jimi Hendrix, real musicians, US were the best for this, even falling down to Eminen now. Of course I want to go to Dolomiti for Giro legends, have to tell about 28% Gentille Bora leader in mountain Formolo, he will tell me: You are really crazy, this is just so hard intense to kill body, but I want to climb, just to push limits, to make sure, when over 50, but still have power for, when probably no professionnal will never do because may be too dangerous for their body when they didn't want to climb Zoncolan for years, so of course easy with girls after and really no need for viagra to be firm belly, ass and more. Sport give health and performance in bed. Many pleasures, just have to be able to make them in our life, and I want my great enjoyable 4 months Summer when I didn't have my Winter pleasure. I will work for this, before ski for Christmas wishing for snow.
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06-01-20 02:42 #725
Posts: 811Rise of the Planet of the Apes
As if the news wasn't bad enough already, a band of "highly intelligent" rhesus monkeys has attacked a medical center in Delhi and escaped with a batch of coronavirus blood test samples. It is not clear yet whether their scientists will be able to create an even deadlier strain, but they are a species known to have many grievances and I wouldn't rule out urban rioting or further acts of bioterrorism in the future.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...stant-11996752
(Like most primates, rhesus monkeys are polyamorous. If they were to take over, there would be a lot less hang-ups in society. In any conflict I would find my loyalties divided. But it is in the nature of polyamory to divide loyalties anyway.)
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05-31-20 23:08 #724
Posts: 22408Originally Posted by Tuber19 [View Original Post]
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05-31-20 22:51 #723
Posts: 22408Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
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05-31-20 22:50 #722
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
"we should not be using the term "scientific consensus" loosely" : glad you feel that way. I quite agree with you.
"verbiage used in the Director of National Intelligence" : Question: Is Director of National Intelligence the gold standard in your view? Are they supposed to be the most objective, scientifically oriented organization, the standard setting body so to speak? Obviously, if they are, then we should follow their lead. I was not aware that they are considered to be such gold standard.
"Scientists' primary reasons for casting doubt. " : I am curious if this is *all* the scientists, some scientists, most of the scientists. Any quantification would be helpful. For example, 99.9% of the scientists, or some such percent. Would that be virologists, epidemiologists, bio statisticians, all of them? US / China / EU / India / Japan /. ? I hope this reference to scientists is not a euphemism for the "consensus" which I think you now believe to be "loosely used".
"scientists do not know the origins" - I have the same question as above, I. E. Who are the scientists in this reference. I personally believe there are investigations going on at the moment and it is too early to say anything conclusive. I keep scratching my head why some scientists are still doing investigations if this is such a settled question -- for example, no one is investigating that earth goes around the sun. That to a lay person like me would be settled science.
"The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2" - thank you for the link. The date of this paper is March 17,2020. Is this the most authoritative paper in your view? Yes, it has 114 citations but it is tough to place in context, given that it is a Nature paper, it was from mid March and research intensity related to Corona has increased since west is now being impacted much more. Any future work after mid March would naturally cite a paper from Nature, given that this is a new topic which is of interest to many scientists working to solve this problem all over the world.
The paper says the following "It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus" - they do not say what this probability is supposed to be. The further say "since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible" - again, they are not able to definitively say a lab is not involved. Finally, they conclude with "More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another". Their entire theme is that based on the evidence and data they currently have access to, they have made some probabilistic estimates, but just that -- probabilistic and estimate, about a novel virus.
"My point is the scientific evidence has absolved CCP from genetically manipulation" -- it has? I would love to see any link to this particular claim. Would that be the aforementioned consensus? Or is it the probabilistic estimate in the one Nature paper, whose authors do not have access to the source info and which they make a clear note of ("Obtaining related viral sequences from animal sources would be the most definitive way of revealing viral origins".
Absolved is a very definitive claim. "Scientific evidence has absolved" is an even bigger claim. It would be lovely to see your links to the resources in which such a claim can be verified. For lay men like me who are not at the obvious high level of scientific learning as others, it would be even better if this absolution is presented in black and white.
Thank you again for your very helpful answer.
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05-31-20 20:49 #721
Posts: 284Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
I know this will not happen, but I think dealing with the virus with one strategy for ALL ages is non sense.
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05-31-20 16:02 #720
Posts: 6730The way you can that this is how it works, is when you read articles about the various topics, and everything is rethorics. While there is zero scientific hard evidence involved in the article itself. In other words, paid propaganda.
And when do people pay for propaganda. Well according to two renowned owners of big pr bureaus I know: 'only when there is something to hide. If there is nothing to hide, they just assume there is no reason to pay for the PR'.
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05-31-20 15:58 #719
Posts: 6730Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
And this thing about 'scientific consensus' is a framing word to imply above and below rethorics (can't recall the English term), so that no one who is lacking a professor degree will dare to object. Usually these types of strategies are paid for through a communication bureau.
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05-31-20 15:10 #718
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
Scientists' primary reasons for casting doubt on the "man-made" conspiracy theory are as follows: (1) manipulation leaves evidence that other virologists can detect. (2) virologists are not clever enough to construct a coronavirus that is harmful to humans unless they use one of the six other coronaviruses known to be harmful to humans as a template. SARS-CoV-2 only has an 80 percent resemblance to SARS-CoV-1 that triggered the outbreak in 2003.
As stated before scientists do not know the origins (zoonotic path it took to infect humans). But a peer-reviewed paper, which I will repost the link to states "Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus". This paper has been cited 114 times. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9.
Preprint allows authors to get feedback. Some Indian researchers posted a paper to bioRxiv, suggesting similarities between SARS-CoV-2 and HIV. "A stream of comments on Twitter and bioRxiv soon followed, questioning the methodology and conclusions, and the paper was withdrawn": https://www.timeshighereducation.com...tial-preprints#survey-answer.
Both CCP and POTUS seem to want to make "factual claims" without evidence. Politicians are conmen. My point is the scientific evidence has absolved CCP from genetically manipulation. But that doesn't mean that CCP is completely innocent. Perhaps the Wuhan scientists were studying a naturally-occurring virus that they knew to be harmful to humans and did not disclose this to the world. Perhaps the outbreak was accidental. And perhaps they "deliberately" waited two extra days before locking down Wuhan, in hopes that the virus would spread enough to inflict damage to other nations. That still neatly fits into the POTUS' narrative of CCP weaponising the virus.
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05-31-20 12:31 #717
Posts: 2207To be precise, the girl has all the symptoms of covid 19 and had 13 customers, but the paper doesn't say if they were infected.
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05-31-20 11:57 #716
Posts: 49Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
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05-31-20 09:12 #715
Posts: 22408Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
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05-31-20 08:40 #714
Posts: 22408Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
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05-31-20 00:24 #713
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Are there are any studies which are not pre-print but peer reviewed and accepted by majority / most of virologists and epidemiologists that traces the exact path of the virus from whatever is the original source to humans, and importantly do such studies conclusively prove that no Wuhan lab was ever involved?
If so, please do provide such links.
It would also be useful to know what is your definition of consensus, and who are part of this consensus that you have referenced many times. Please also state what is the exact wording of this consensus when was this consensus formed. Thank you, much appreciated.
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05-30-20 21:38 #712
Posts: 22408Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]