Seeking Arrangements

[Wupoer]

The discussions lately on this forum has been so good! Thanks gents!

But let us not forget that pussy is never free. Be it SA or Tinder. A man is always expected to pay usually monetarily and let's not forget cost of time.

To me, it is clear that SeekingArrangement specializes in pairing the older mature men with younger women. Older men have a lot of maturity and worldly knowledge that a younger woman could benefit from not just from his money. Both of these things can help set the young woman up on a proper trajectory in life. This is why the older man and younger woman is a more natural pairing since both have what each other needs. The opposite scenario of an older woman and younger man does *not* hold as true. The older women usually lack the physical attributes that (most) younger males could get on his own. Let's face it. Woman do *not* age typically as well as men physically. For one, the vagina takes a beating through its lifetime with childbirth being just one of the assaults a vagina endures!

Don't get me wrong. I'm on SA for pussy myself but I would offer lending hand to my young woman if she wants from my worldly and industry experience. Just as long as she satisfies my physical needs. That doesn't happen with the k-girls I see weekly. With k-girls, there are both language and cultural barriers. With k-girls its 1 HR and that's it.

[Pessimist]

Reading this thread with great fascination and respect for some of the titans of ISG contributing. I'm intrigued but wonder if I've aged out from using this option. If a guys is in his mid 60's (But could pass for 10 years younger) does this mean he's out of the running for many SBs? I've found on some of my mongering trips that sometimes the real young ones (18-22) turn me down. I assume that, while Dad is a fantasy, they just aren't down with blowing grandpa LOL. I have other good attributes. I've got a Dad bod but am not obese. I'm kind, intelligent, funny and most important generous if I get what I want. I'm also with Steve that the chase sounds fun. My home area is way overpriced but when I start traveling domestically I might give it a try.

Another thing, I'm finding early 20's chicas I don't really vibe with. Often more comfortable with 25-35 yo.

I get the feeling that a lot of you guys who are touting SA are 40-50's. What say you about this?

Hi HB,

I am younger than you. So, I can't speak with any certainty related to older men. I will say though that at least some girls will be open minded. You should give it a try. You are saying anyway that you are looking for 25-35 age group. By that age, especially 30+, many girls have taken some hard knocks in life, are realistic. Some may be single moms, some may be stuck in low end jobs like receptionists, etc. These past months have been tough for many girls. They are looking for help. As long as you are kind, intelligent, not too pushy / clingy, normal, you will have a good amount of success. You are old enough that you will not be cheated, you can spot the scammers, you will not get too emotionally attached. Be patient, don't be too conscious of your age. It is only in your head, the girl is likewise inwardly focused and wondering if she is attractive enough for you because she knows you may have other choices.

Being in a overpriced city is unfortunate. Decide beforehand what your budget range is and stay patient and disciplined.

And please do tune out the naysayers and nabobs of negativity from here. A couple of recent posters were rude, clueless and I doubt very much that they had any experience whatsoever with real arrangements to be posting any sensible comments. I have been doing this for 4+ years, have been in arrangements with several dozens of girls / women and by and large they were nice, positive and fulfilling and I am quite positive that they were not with prostitutes. I have only pity for fools who think they know anything about me, the girls I had been with, to be making blanket claims about all guys and girls on a site that has millions of members of both genders. Safely ignore them, give it a try, and stay disciplined most importantly.

[Njoean197]

Planning a trip to Mexico for late June, I want to try the SA route in Cancun to start. Another member recommended I meet girls on SA from CDMX and invite them to stay with me in Cancun for a few days. I speak horrible Spanish. Is this doable? If CDMX opens up, I also want to spend a few days there as well. Any thoughts on how easy or hard it is to pull from SA? Any thoughts or opinions would be appreciated.

[HarvestBoi]

Reading this thread with great fascination and respect for some of the titans of ISG contributing. I'm intrigued but wonder if I've aged out from using this option. If a guys is in his mid 60's (But could pass for 10 years younger) does this mean he's out of the running for many SBs? I've found on some of my mongering trips that sometimes the real young ones (18-22) turn me down. I assume that, while Dad is a fantasy, they just aren't down with blowing grandpa LOL. I have other good attributes. I've got a Dad bod but am not obese. I'm kind, intelligent, funny and most important generous if I get what I want. I'm also with Steve that the chase sounds fun. My home area is way overpriced but when I start traveling domestically I might give it a try.

Another thing, I'm finding early 20's chicas I don't really vibe with. Often more comfortable with 25-35 yo.

I get the feeling that a lot of you guys who are touting SA are 40-50's. What say you about this?

[LshRoomer]

For sure, but as I am not paying upwards of a grand to sleep with her in between the free sex she's giving deadbeat jock it kinda doesn't bother me who else she's banging.

Furthermore as I haven't spent weeks desperately trying to convince her what a great guy I am so she will be nice to me and let me give her money, I actually don't care about the fact that she thinks more highly of the guy who doesn't give her money and expects her to screw him for free.

The fact that a wh () re thinks I am a first class asshole has never bothered me, but if I had spent weeks and hundreds of dollars to convince her I was a nice guy it might hurt a bit.

In an effort to avoid any bickering back and forth, distorting the goal of the forum, I'll try to keep my opinion (bc it is just my opinion) brief.

Hilo77, my fellow monger.

You came off strong, but I'll keep it respectful. We have a stark difference of opinion.

First, you are wrong that SA girls, as a whole, are prostitutes.

With that being said, I do realize that under the strict definition of prostitute (money for sex), then they would be considered as such. And I think that was your larger point. If you are paying, just like a prostitute, then why would you go through all this work with chatting, getting to know her, and drinking with her, just to do the same action that comes 10 x easier at a brothel. This is a good point, which has been discussed in this forum at least 100 times. If you RTFF, you would easily see that one of the purposes of this forum was to discuss another avenue that doesn't include the local brothel or FKK club. So I'm not sure why someone would go to a forum focused on eating carbs (for example) and start to deride the contributors for sharing pasta, cake and bread recipes!

Dude, RTFF. No one here is recommending to drop thousands for a good night out, or to pay these chicks before you meet or bang them, or to pay too much. We are saying the exact opposite. It's funny to me when people have opinions from something out of context, when all you have to do is RTFF. Recommendations have been to avoid chatting too long with a new SA girl before meeting, minimizing the effort pre-bang, so I'm not sure where you get your comment about spending weeks trying to convince. We have been suggesting to keep yourself safe, don't allow these chicks to scam you, guard your identity, get the most out of your experience (this is why all of us including you, are here) and avoid anyone that even resembles a pro. Midwestern made a good point. We are pointing out the techniques to find good performers for GFE.

It appears that you are viewing the hobby from a singular perspective (bust and go), while ridiculing those that behave counter to what you perceive as "the best way" to enjoy the hobby. If the guys here, including me, are having a fucking great time, for cheap (yes cheap. About 40/ hour, maybe less) and sometimes free, then the goal has been met. Not going to entertain your jock comments. Those were funny though. Not to beat the dead horse but before you go tell everyone they are doing it wrong, RTFF and get context.

Cost. Thousands? WTF are you talking about? Your opinion is misguided again. In EU, I'd be paying 150 and up per hour (maybe less for incall) for a regular escort (cold, mechanical, banged 10 guys that day). I don't' know about you but I want to bust 3 nuts at least, without being rushed. I'll easily chill with a SB for 6-8 hours for 300 eu (sometimes less or none). This is approximately 37 eu per hour. You can't get that cheap at an FKK. You may attempt to add in the cost of dinners, hookah lounges, skybars, and drinks, etc. I can't speak for the other guys, but I would be at these places anyway, with or without the girl, so it's not an added expense. For what many of us are looking for, we are probably paying less than you!

The experience. This the biggest deal for me. I'm all about GFE. Bust a nut and go doesn't appeal to me, doesn't float my boat, and I simply don't like it. I think I speak for many of the guys here, but I hated the cold encounters, scams, mechanical sex, clock watching, and the general aloofness that comes along when dealing with escorts / prostitutes. GFE is difficult to find consistently with prostitutes, if at all. There are some. I have a few escorts that I still use that provide great services, but this is not common and probably based somewhat on rapport. If you don't want GFE, then the sugar bowl probably isn't for you. SBs give those who want GFE on demand (when traveling, etc) a viable, more consistent option. Some may even bang without exchanging money, which again shits on your "they are all prostitutes" comment. The little bit of time that you take to get to know your SB (usually about a few days) before your outing will almost guarantee (there are exceptions) you a GFE session. Subsequent visits may be cheap, will be more relaxed, and from what I've seen, become more enjoyable. I personally have met girls on SA that I haven't paid at all and still banged. I implore you to show me a prostitute willing to do this.

Ignoring the other comments. Look dude. We all get sex from many venues. Home, on the road, wherever. Some paid. Some free. Some an exchange (I did IT work one time for a CIF BJ. LOL). Some people are into fetishes. Some are vanilla. Everyone swims in their own lane. I want GFE without a relationship (don't have time for that) and it needs to be somewhat real and consistent. That's what my search is for and this forum has been helpful in that regard. If I were a brothel guy, my aim would be different. I personally don't see how brothel guys bang a girl that just finished with another guy, and you see that guy walking away? But, it's not for me to judge. It's my preference. Let those guys have their fun. For me, SBs are a waaaay better use of my funds. 200 - 300 ensures a whole night full of fun, when I don't' have time to court a normal girl. So are SBs pretty much prostitutes? Yeah, some, kinda, not really, it's blurry. Would I group a regular SB together with an FKK girl or a regular escort? Hell no!

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[Big Boss Man]

For me, there is more to it than just the sex. I have been watching movies about artists and models. Specifically how a young woman can be a muse and reignite passions in an older man. The two movies that the 22-year old and I both had watched were "La Belle Noiseuse" and "Breakfast at Tiffany's". She understood her role. She was able to compare herself to Holly Golightly and tell me how she was different. During the Covid-19 pandemic, I have been taking a writing class. In fact, I wrote a short story about our first meeting. I submitted it for publication already. In the story, I compare her to a gypsy in one paragraph. So even the scammer part of her is intriguing to me. I recognized it immediately. For me, I have to feel like a fool to be able to write about it. How many guys here have been made a fool by a beautiful woman? Don't we all have a Bezukhov pursuing a Helene story in our lives?

Like I told her, it would have been easier to meet her in her own country where there are legal brothels. There I could go get my rocks off and then take her to dinner and have a conversation. Of course, she is not going to go to dinner with a man forty-five years her senior just because she enjoys it. At least, I don't think she would. On the other hand, I don't want to pay for her education without a sexual component. So we came to an impasse.

[DramaFree11]

Hilo, normally I wouldn't respond to a such a rant, but you put some thought into your screed, so I thought I'd reply.

On SA, there are gals that provide GF experiences that are much better than regular prostitutes, and some gals that provide hellish experiences much worse than regular prostitutes. In this thread, we are merely discussing on how to find the former. That's all.

I hooked up with 24-25 SBs, and this is out of about 50-60 meet-and-greets. None of them were prostitutes. Zero. No exaggeration. You might think I got fooled by some of them, but I didn't. Half of the 24-25 never even asked me for a dime. My SBs included a law student, an accountant, a restaurant owner, a Berkeley undergrad, a PhD student, a website designer, a stage hand, a recent divorcee, several people starting a new business, etc. They weren't lying. We talked about all this shit while we were shooting whisky or drinking wine. We all know there are young gals that are into older and successful guys. How else are we going to easily make the connection, other than via SA? Many of these SBs genuinely liked me. Again, I wasn't fooled. I can tell when a gal really likes me. But there definitely are prostitutes on SA and other undesirables, but we mostly try to avoid them. They are pretty easy to spot.

BTW, no one ever said we were giving up prostitutes to find SBs. While I was active on SA, I continued to sleep with prostitutes on a weekly basis.

Sorry, I have to disagree girls on SA are definitely prostitutes. They may be slightly higher classes. Remember most everyone on the site is lying in one form or another and it is definitely transactional.

Have to disagree with you on this one.

[Hilo77]

Hilo, normally I wouldn't respond to a such a rant, but you put some thought into your screed, so I thought I'd reply.

On SA, there are gals that provide GF experiences that are much better than regular prostitutes, and some gals that provide hellish experiences much worse than regular prostitutes. In this thread, we are merely discussing on how to find the former. That's all.

I hooked up with 24-25 SBs, and this is out of about 50-60 meet-and-greets. None of them were prostitutes. Zero. No exaggeration. You might think I got fooled by some of them, but I didn't. Half of the 24-25 never even asked me for a dime. My SBs included a law student, an accountant, a restaurant owner, a Berkeley undergrad, a PhD student, a website designer, a stage hand, a recent divorcee, several people starting a new business, etc. They weren't lying. We talked about all this shit while we were shooting whisky or drinking wine. We all know there are young gals that are into older and successful guys. How else are we going to easily make the connection, other than via SA? Many of these SBs genuinely liked me. Again, I wasn't fooled. I can tell when a gal really likes me. But there definitely are prostitutes on SA and other undesirables, but we mostly try to avoid them. They are pretty easy to spot.

BTW, no one ever said we were giving up prostitutes to find SBs. While I was active on SA, I continued to sleep with prostitutes on a weekly basis.

Fair enough, so you use it as a dating site to meet a better class of girlfriend, most of us would use Tinder for that and not expect to pay to screw the dates, but each to his own.

But at the end of the day you have not contradicted anything I have said, the SBs have made it clear by the very fact that they are on SA that they view the relationships they seek as transactional. They are looking for "older and successful" guys (you are one of these presumably) to have sex with and to get paid for doing so. Sure they are intelligent lasses, they know how to stroke "older and successful" guys' egos and will never say that outright, but the fact that they are on SA is a pretty big neon flashing sign.

I can tell that you are not so naive as to believe you are the only "older and successful" guy that these recent divorcees and Berkely undergrads are shooting wine and whiskey with. You are cool with that, you enjoy the GFE while having your ego stroked, that's nice. I enjoy it when I am in a brothel and the h**ker pretends like she is my girfriend for the hour, it's a bonus if it happens and she'll get a nice tip at the end of it.

The fact remains, however, that you are paying a hell of a lot of money and going through huge efforts to sleep with (ok, semi) prostitutes, and that just amazes me.

But like I say, each to their own.

[Hilo77]

Hey,


But in all fairness: professional wh () res have deadbeat, jock losers too, LOL.

For sure, but as I am not paying upwards of a grand to sleep with her in between the free sex she's giving deadbeat jock it kinda doesn't bother me who else she's banging.

Furthermore as I haven't spent weeks desperately trying to convince her what a great guy I am so she will be nice to me and let me give her money, I actually don't care about the fact that she thinks more highly of the guy who doesn't give her money and expects her to screw him for free.

The fact that a wh () re thinks I am a first class asshole has never bothered me, but if I had spent weeks and hundreds of dollars to convince her I was a nice guy it might hurt a bit.

[Midwestern]

Look guys, these "SBs" of which you speak are prostitutes, very expensive prostitutes and prostitutes that play hard to get and take a lot of time and effort to have sex with, you know what that makes them? Very bad prostitutes.

Hilo, normally I wouldn't respond to a such a rant, but you put some thought into your screed, so I thought I'd reply.

On SA, there are gals that provide GF experiences that are much better than regular prostitutes, and some gals that provide hellish experiences much worse than regular prostitutes. In this thread, we are merely discussing on how to find the former. That's all.

I hooked up with 24-25 SBs, and this is out of about 50-60 meet-and-greets. None of them were prostitutes. Zero. No exaggeration. You might think I got fooled by some of them, but I didn't. Half of the 24-25 never even asked me for a dime. My SBs included a law student, an accountant, a restaurant owner, a Berkeley undergrad, a PhD student, a website designer, a stage hand, a recent divorcee, several people starting a new business, etc. They weren't lying. We talked about all this shit while we were shooting whisky or drinking wine. We all know there are young gals that are into older and successful guys. How else are we going to easily make the connection, other than via SA? Many of these SBs genuinely liked me. Again, I wasn't fooled. I can tell when a gal really likes me. But there definitely are prostitutes on SA and other undesirables, but we mostly try to avoid them. They are pretty easy to spot.

BTW, no one ever said we were giving up prostitutes to find SBs. While I was active on SA, I continued to sleep with prostitutes on a weekly basis.

[PilotPaul]

Do you feel good knowing that after you pay hundreds of dollars to fcuk them they go home and share the money with the sort of deadbeat, jock losers that used to bully you at school? Is this some sort of reverse revenge thing going on?

For me I know that SA provides me with better 'bang' for my mongering buck. My current girl sticks around for 4 hours of sexual activity for $300 whereas a similar professional would be asking $2,000. On my business trips where I have take a SB for a set weekly fee of $700 and had a sexual companion for 7 nights.

[Big Boss Man]

OK total respect to fellow mongers out there and whatever floats your boat is your thing and it's not for me to judge but good heavens there seem to be a lot of deluded fools on this thread (perhaps you aren't deluded but you actually enjoy the experience of being taken for a fool, if so I apologise).

It is just another game and I am bored. I usually go to Europe in the summer and probably will not go this year. I get tired of prostitutes too. With Covid 19, it would be a little better if the girl is maybe only fucking one other guy. You can find straight out hookers in my town on Seeking.

[SavePros321]

OK total respect to fellow mongers out there and whatever floats your boat is your thing and it's not for me to judge but good heavens there seem to be a lot of deluded fools on this thread (perhaps you aren't deluded but you actually enjoy the experience of being taken for a fool, if so I apologise).

I usually post on another specific forum, but bored with this WuFlu lockdown I started looking around to see how the rest of the world lives and I came upon this thread.

The more I read the farther my chin dropped toward the floor. I could barely believe the naivety that I was reading on a forum dedicated to having sex with prostitutes.

Look guys, these "SBs" of which you speak are prostitutes, very expensive prostitutes and prostitutes that play hard to get and take a lot of time and effort to have sex with, you know what that makes them? Very bad prostitutes.

I don't wish to single out one poster but this post summed it up for me, why on earth should you have to go to all that trouble to have sex with a woman whom you are paying to have sex with?

I used to go through all that effort as a young man desperately seeking to have sex with a woman I fancied, the dates, the dressing up, the trying to impress, the attempt to prove I have game, the spending money on expensive dinners in the sad hope that she might find me acceptable to her, the disappointment when she decided I didn't meet her high standards or that she actually had a better offer that night. But see, I wasn't paying these women money to have sex, I wanted sex at the end of it without payment.

Hey,

This guy gets it, LOL. One of the best posts that I've read in a long while.

I don't have anything further to add.

But in all fairness: professional wh () res have deadbeat, jock losers too, LOL.

[SavePros321]

I played my hand and I lost. Big deal. I will treat them as prostitutes from now on. I thought there was a difference between an arrangement and an escort. I have met her in person. I thought she would be great to have as a sugar baby. This woman is a good-looking UC student. She kept saying she did not want to be a working girl. One report on ISG said that an UC Berkeley woman received $3000 a month. I was trying for $2000. I will not give her any more money but she is still texting me once a day. Right now she is at one of the local demonstrations. I am probably a fall back position for her now. Have fun with your $30 dollar tattooed hookers with a kid in Medellin if that is your thing. I will probably meet you down there one day.

Not my place to tell a grown man what to do with his money.

Anytime I see those kinds of numbers floated around, I then ask myself:

"What is it that one woman could do for me for that amount of money?

I know that:

- If I wanted to spend $3000 on sex, I could find 10 college babes who would be more than happy to take $300 per meet up. Or 2 chicks that I really dig who I can give $300 to 5 times each.

- I could spend $3000 on YouTube, Instagram, and Facebook ads and make $30,000.

- Don't even get me started on Medellin. My last trip I banged 20 different women and only spent $1500 on the endeavor.

I could go on, but nothing leads me to the conclusion that any one woman would be worth $3000 for any reason whatsoever.

[Hilo77]

It took a degree of effort to seal the deal. We all know this to be true. The chatting, ghosting, and picture trading is endless and you do have to find those girls that show heightened interest or ask why don't you write them often in order to increase your probability for success.

OK total respect to fellow mongers out there and whatever floats your boat is your thing and it's not for me to judge but good heavens there seem to be a lot of deluded fools on this thread (perhaps you aren't deluded but you actually enjoy the experience of being taken for a fool, if so I apologise).

I usually post on another specific forum, but bored with this WuFlu lockdown I started looking around to see how the rest of the world lives and I came upon this thread.

The more I read the farther my chin dropped toward the floor. I could barely believe the naivety that I was reading on a forum dedicated to having sex with prostitutes.

Look guys, these "SBs" of which you speak are prostitutes, very expensive prostitutes and prostitutes that play hard to get and take a lot of time and effort to have sex with, you know what that makes them? Very bad prostitutes.

I don't wish to single out one poster but this post summed it up for me, why on earth should you have to go to all that trouble to have sex with a woman whom you are paying to have sex with?

I used to go through all that effort as a young man desperately seeking to have sex with a woman I fancied, the dates, the dressing up, the trying to impress, the attempt to prove I have game, the spending money on expensive dinners in the sad hope that she might find me acceptable to her, the disappointment when she decided I didn't meet her high standards or that she actually had a better offer that night. But see, I wasn't paying these women money to have sex, I wanted sex at the end of it without payment.

Then I discovered prostitutes and my world became clearer. I want sex? I pay for it and I get it on my terms and she does my bidding. No more desperately trying to please, I have what she wants and if she wants it I better get what I want no questions asked, no begging, and as I am the customer I will set the terms of the deal.

See how simple that is guys?

What in the name of absolute fcuk are you putting yourselves through all these hoops for to get what everyone else here is getting with minimal effort?

Did you not suffer enough rejection in your lives as young adolescents? Are you desperately trying to recreate that teenage angst as older men?

Are you trying to prove something to yourselves about your alpha male status? Because I hate to break it to you, you're all coming across as pussy-whipped cukcs. You're putting up with all the shit of middle-class, middle-aged, married American guys desperate to have sex with hot young women and paying top dollar for all the aggravation.

Wake up guys, you clearly have money to burn, take the easy option and just pick an honest, professional wh () re instead of these woman who are treating you worse than your wives.

Do you feel good knowing that after you pay hundreds of dollars to fcuk them they go home and share the money with the sort of deadbeat, jock losers that used to bully you at school? Is this some sort of reverse revenge thing going on?