Medellin Reports

[MarquisdeSade1]

Thank you for this encouraging and well reasoned post! Here is the link to support the facts you have mentioned https://www.eltiempo.com/economia/se...ionales-533854.

For people like me, who are dying to get back to Medellin, a 14 day mandatory quarantine and needing to go through a secondary Latin America country that is in the first wave of allow countries is not a problem.

I don't know about anyone else but can I say reading your posts only makes a bad situation worse for me, the endless pining, your thirst is quite depressing, at least to me, yes many of us want to get there ASAP.

But I don't write about it on here, over and over and over and over.

[Blakman]

You just made my point duh. As long as humanitarian flights are running means comercials are not. When commercial starts there will be no need for humanitarian flights.

Wackman, you're turning into Trump, with these well-thought-out schoolyard nicknames! I love it!

The other countries part is a grey area, but like SJobs said, it would be a big gaping wet loophole for a guy like him that is willing to do whatever it takes to get back to paradise.

Really though, are we to assume that just because the US is offering humanitarian flights, that the Colombian government will have to wait until after the ultimate-scheduled flight to announce there will be international commercial flights? That sounds like an infinite amount of time, because the US has the responsibility to continue to offer those flights until normal commercial / tourism flights are available. Chicken or the egg. I would take the over on. 5 humanitarian flights being cancelled in conjunction with an announcement about commercial travel opening. Stay tuned, this is riveting stuff!

Has anyone been to centro this week? Any changes in the crowd / vibe as all this news has been coming out?

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[SlapShot10]

I am in the united states. And if there is humanitarian flights to the United States, it means theres no other airlines flying into the country at those times. I can give 2 shit about other countries. I do not live there. But I respect your technical assessment. I think slapshortie excuse I mean slapshot probably agrees.

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Wackman, you're turning into Trump, with these well-thought-out schoolyard nicknames! I love it!

The other countries part is a grey area, but like SJobs said, it would be a big gaping wet loophole for a guy like him that is willing to do whatever it takes to get back to paradise.

Really though, are we to assume that just because the US is offering humanitarian flights, that the Colombian government will have to wait until after the ultimate-scheduled flight to announce there will be international commercial flights? That sounds like an infinite amount of time, because the US has the responsibility to continue to offer those flights until normal commercial / tourism flights are available. Chicken or the egg. I would take the over on. 5 humanitarian flights being cancelled in conjunction with an announcement about commercial travel opening. Stay tuned, this is riveting stuff!

Has anyone been to centro this week? Any changes in the crowd / vibe as all this news has been coming out?

[Kafka]

The new 5 minute $5 Abbott test 97% accuracy will come with an app that actually will display results. There are others coming as well. Should be widely available in two months. You can buy a bunch and test chicas too.

Two questions: 1. What is the source of your statement that "proof of a covid negative test will be required"? 2. What is the definition of proof?

[Blakman]

I am in the united states. And if there is humanitarian flights to the United States, it means theres no other airlines flying into the country at those times. I can give 2 shit about other countries. I do not live there. But I respect your technical assessment. I think slapshortie excuse I mean slapshot probably agrees.

This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

On further note, the Ministry of Health mentioned today that international flights are eligible to resume after September 1st, the question will be what routes between what countries because those all depend on bilateral agreements, entry restrictions, etc. A number of factors. But what is clear is that the restriction to not allow international flights which has been in place since March, it will be removed as planned. Proof of a covid negative test will be required, and since it was stated that the reasoning behind lifting of the restrictions is "if biosecurity measures established are met by the airlines, the probability of a traveler being infected by Covid-19 is less than 1%" citing a recent study which concluded that the risk of contracting covid-19 during travel is no greater a risk than any other day-to-day activities. So my assumption is that they will not have a 14 day quarantine requirement, unless certain above risk countries are identified where cases are rising significantly. Some regional latin american countries probably will get the nod first before the USA but I don't think we will be far behind, since we have bilateral relations established with Colombia. But again, humanitarian flights and international flights are two very different things and just because one is operating between countries does not mean the other cannot between other countries until humanitarian flights end. That is silly.

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[Knowledge]

Two questions: 1. What is the source of your statement that "proof of a covid negative test will be required"? 2. What is the definition of proof?

This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

On further note, the Ministry of Health mentioned today that international flights are eligible to resume after September 1st, the question will be what routes between what countries because those all depend on bilateral agreements, entry restrictions, etc. A number of factors. But what is clear is that the restriction to not allow international flights which has been in place since March, it will be removed as planned. Proof of a covid negative test will be required, and since it was stated that the reasoning behind lifting of the restrictions is "if biosecurity measures established are met by the airlines, the probability of a traveler being infected by Covid-19 is less than 1%" citing a recent study which concluded that the risk of contracting covid-19 during travel is no greater a risk than any other day-to-day activities. So my assumption is that they will not have a 14 day quarantine requirement, unless certain above risk countries are identified where cases are rising significantly. Some regional latin american countries probably will get the nod first before the USA but I don't think we will be far behind, since we have bilateral relations established with Colombia..

[Just Incognito]

Damn dude, I don't know what kind of licensed medical professional you were, but if you were to get sick, I mean like ICU level sick, costs aside, there is no better place to be than in the US. Heck most 3rd world hospitals haven't even heard of far less have ecmo treatment for example, but like I said, to each their own, rationalization is a powerful thing, especially when youthful warm pussy is calling..

[Deleted by Admin] Sorry, but the US really isn't 'exceptional' on most things. Americans are not living in the most free country and the world, they don't have the most rights, and they don't have the best medical care -or medical system.

I'd much rather be in most hospitals in Northern Europe if I had Covid-19. I would trust the care more in some places in southeast Asia as well (Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Singapore). I think you might get better overall care in Costa Rica for this as well.

I had some medical work in Colombia--better care than anything I ever had in the US-I was genuinely impressed with the medical facilities and hospital in Barranquilla! (Though, maybe, with the specifics of covid Colombia wouldn't be preferable to the US).

I would also trust the Covid medial treatments in Australia and New Zealand over any medical facility in the US.

[Just Incognito]

This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

But, why even offer the humanitarian flights now if they are just going to have regular international flight--probably to / from the same destinations as the humanitarian flights-anyway? It makes no sense. If they were about to open up international flights in a week or 2. They wouldn't need to offer 'humanitarian' flights now.

[SJobs]

This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

On further note, the Ministry of Health mentioned today that international flights are eligible to resume after September 1st, the question will be what routes between what countries because those all depend on bilateral agreements, entry restrictions, etc. A number of factors. But what is clear is that the restriction to not allow international flights which has been in place since March, it will be removed as planned. Proof of a covid negative test will be required, and since it was stated that the reasoning behind lifting of the restrictions is "if biosecurity measures established are met by the airlines, the probability of a traveler being infected by Covid-19 is less than 1%" citing a recent study which concluded that the risk of contracting covid-19 during travel is no greater a risk than any other day-to-day activities..

Thank you for this encouraging and well reasoned post! Here is the link to support the facts you have mentioned https://www.eltiempo.com/economia/se...ionales-533854.

For people like me, who are dying to get back to Medellin, a 14 day mandatory quarantine and needing to go through a secondary Latin America country that is in the first wave of allow countries is not a problem.

[Elvis 2008]

https://www.eltiempo.com/economia/se...YwrbAgWi-JxaNo

It is official. I am confused as hell at the moment.

[Puntz79]

If theres the presence of humanitarian flights it means no other international flights. Until humanatarian flights become non existent then there will be no other international flights. Its you who don't have a clue.

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This is not true. Humanitarian flights are coordinated between the embassies of different nations and the airlines. That's why when one is scheduled, they go ahead and announce it (I. E. For American citizens, this airline, this date etc). International flights depend on bilateral agreements between the countries, humanitarian flights do not have anything to do with international. To give an example, Iberia and Avianca have operated humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. The same with Spirit and between the USA and Colombia. If Colombia has bilateral agreements with Mexico, Peru, Chile etc. It can restart international flights between Colombia and those countries, while also allowing humanitarian flights between Spain and Colombia. Just because there are humanitarian flights taking place, it does not mean international flights cannot restart.

On further note, the Ministry of Health mentioned today that international flights are eligible to resume after September 1st, the question will be what routes between what countries because those all depend on bilateral agreements, entry restrictions, etc. A number of factors. But what is clear is that the restriction to not allow international flights which has been in place since March, it will be removed as planned. Proof of a covid negative test will be required, and since it was stated that the reasoning behind lifting of the restrictions is "if biosecurity measures established are met by the airlines, the probability of a traveler being infected by Covid-19 is less than 1%" citing a recent study which concluded that the risk of contracting covid-19 during travel is no greater a risk than any other day-to-day activities. So my assumption is that they will not have a 14 day quarantine requirement, unless certain above risk countries are identified where cases are rising significantly. Some regional latin american countries probably will get the nod first before the USA but I don't think we will be far behind, since we have bilateral relations established with Colombia. But again, humanitarian flights and international flights are two very different things and just because one is operating between countries does not mean the other cannot between other countries until humanitarian flights end. That is silly.

[SlapShot10]

What is the point of scheduling "humanitarian flights" (let us reflect on the meaning of the word "humanitarian") and bearing their high cost, when there are commercial regular flights scheduled?

I don't have an answer for your question, but my tongue-in-cheek point is that I highly doubt the government / Minister of Transport / etc. would make a decision so far in advance that no humanitarian flights would need to be cancelled. It is a fluid situation that is being investigated and prepared for on a daily basis. So, the job of the foreign governments is to provide humanitarian flights. The job of the local government is to open international travel when they see fit. Those will likely overlap, and thus, humanitarian flights will be cancelled once commercial flights are approved to open. I thought it was funny that because a humanitarian flight is scheduled a month from now, we should assume that means something can't change. Everyone does realize we've had the quarantine extended about 8 times, here, and there have been about 15 target dates for travel re-opening discussed on this board? When Duque announces a date for international travel to open, the humanitarian flights will stop, and any future dates will be removed. This isn't rocket science.

[PVMonger]

The point is when weighing up risks its important to stay objective. That is not something most mongers do well faced with the prospect of youthful paisa pussy. 180 k deaths in the US so far, at this rate Colombia is on the way to the same numner per capita, just a couple of months behind, with the prospect of going even higher. As a comparison, in the US its roughly 40 k MVA deaths and a similar number of gun deaths......over and entire year! Yet that is a risk we have learnt to accept and live with. If you look at the locations caught off guard or that let be, then the death rates per capita was like 4-5 x the national average. Imagine if a place like MDE were to get to that. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there through that period. I think by next summer everything blows over and its quite safe again. The risks of crime and car accidents are on the low side compared to this real and present contagious disease in a society where community spread is rampant.

Sure each monger will decide for himself, and maybe a young, fit, 30 yr old will not care. I am not here to comvince anyone, but framing the risk as just another similar level to the usual risk is not accurate.

I never knew that gun deaths and automobile accident deaths were contagious.

[Black Page]

Humanitarian Flights cannot be cancelled once they are scheduled. Only Commercial Flights are allowed to be cancelled.

What is the point of scheduling "humanitarian flights" (let us reflect on the meaning of the word "humanitarian") and bearing their high cost, when there are commercial regular flights scheduled?

[GeneHickman]

What's the advice? I'm getting whiplash from trying to follow the discussion that now touches on Europe, New York and Arizona / Mexico. Surf touched on a salient point. Coronavirus is historically bad but there are many other health threats (including traumatic accidents) that can hit without warning. If there are doubts about surviving health care delivery in Colombia then it's not a place where you can live, or even play. If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths? Is it a case of misleading statistics? Anyway, I think I agree it's best to stay away if you would not feel safe.

The point is when weighing up risks its important to stay objective. That is not something most mongers do well faced with the prospect of youthful paisa pussy. 180 k deaths in the US so far, at this rate Colombia is on the way to the same numner per capita, just a couple of months behind, with the prospect of going even higher. As a comparison, in the US its roughly 40 k MVA deaths and a similar number of gun deaths......over and entire year! Yet that is a risk we have learnt to accept and live with. If you look at the locations caught off guard or that let be, then the death rates per capita was like 4-5 x the national average. Imagine if a place like MDE were to get to that. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there through that period. I think by next summer everything blows over and its quite safe again. The risks of crime and car accidents are on the low side compared to this real and present contagious disease in a society where community spread is rampant.

Sure each monger will decide for himself, and maybe a young, fit, 30 yr old will not care. I am not here to comvince anyone, but framing the risk as just another similar level to the usual risk is not accurate.