Kyiv

[Lucky Nuts]

I'll be arriving back in Kyiv this week if Zelensky doesn't change the policy again before Tuesday. With Yummy's expert guidance I've been working the Seeking Arrangment site hard for a couple weeks now and have a good list of girls to hit the ground running. Last year I enjoyed visiting the "secret" apartments that an agent connected me with. I've lost all that info on my old phone because the friggin whatsapp version went "out of date". I still have the agent's contact info so could go through him again. But if anyone here could PM with with apartment specifics on location and how to enter I'd much appreciate it and be happy to repay you with my SA contact highlights after I leave Ukraine in three weeks. Or if you want to trade one for one girl contact info that's good too. Anyone in town PM me to meet for a beer. I'll also be in Odesa part of my trip.

[Claro Que Si]

Allina, 27, red blonde hair. Wears a shirt on flix saying,. Worst 10 minutes of my life'

Hey,

Have you been with her? If yes, may I ask how it was, the price, services, time, attitude, what's she like. Anything. Thanks!

[Desin]

My current thoughts condensed in a few quotes:

Another consideration, gentleman should be self-sufficient, fully capable to find the girl on his own.

SA is a LOT of work. I have contacted dozens of girls, maybe hundreds. The idea of messing up the very few successes I have had from all that hard work by posting a link would be stupid.

Add to this Mamba, Badoo, Tinder, Telegram, Viber and agency sites, and we might see that the amount of time put to the effort of finding that special girl who is nice to have and one that you don't want to share will equal to two digit number of hours. Hopefully not three digit.

Those who enjoy this part of the process will not mind. It might be an essential part of the joy of the whole experience. It's a way to spend time.

But it's also quite ridiculous.

I can admit I take enjoyment of it. But it also takes too much time. A perfect guilty pleasure, that is.

[Sorbonne]

Would not doubt it. Some very smart people. You figure they could use their smarts to become successful legitimately instead of scamming people, but I guess a criminal enterprise is a lot easier.

Ukraine is a country where you bribe HR to get a job.

[Member #4722]

I'll just add that Kiev has also become the world's hub for young tech scammers.

Would not doubt it. Some very smart people. You figure they could use their smarts to become successful legitimately instead of scamming people, but I guess a criminal enterprise is a lot easier.

[Member #4722]

Can I get a link to that article? I'm wondering if they mention any of the venues I'm familiar with.

I'm actually going to be switching over from Ukrainian to learn Russian starting today. I may spend time in Saint Petersburg. Given I can stay in Russia 180 days at a time it's a good option in between 90 day stints in Kiev Lviv and Kharkiv.

Essentially the goal is to either find a super hot 18-21 year old petite girl who wants to get spoiled or run through as many as possible in respect to the Eastern Euro girls.

I looked for an online link before I posted but I guess it's in the print version only. It was a sidebar "hot music destination" I think right before covid hit.

[Riina]

Rolling Stone Magazine wrote about the Kiev music scene right before the pandemic. They had a whole article stating how Kiev is the "next Berlin" for music.

I'll just add that Kiev has also become the world's hub for young tech scammers.

[IdiotSavant]

Can I get a link to that article? I'm wondering if they mention any of the venues I'm familiar with.

I'm actually going to be switching over from Ukrainian to learn Russian starting today. I may spend time in Saint Petersburg. Given I can stay in Russia 180 days at a time it's a good option in between 90 day stints in Kiev Lviv and Kharkiv.

Essentially the goal is to either find a super hot 18-21 year old petite girl who wants to get spoiled or run through as many as possible in respect to the Eastern Euro girls.

[Member #4722]

Rolling Stone Magazine wrote about the Kiev music scene right before the pandemic. They had a whole article stating how Kiev is the "next Berlin" for music.

[Member #4722]

Literally no one here cares about your shitty opinions, delivered in mangled English. Do everyone a favor and go away.

[YummyPL]

I didn't know prostitutes in Kiev are open to meeting for a snack so you can examine them. Thanks for sharing.

I've done this with all my SA girls except one (the count is at 12 now). I have not done this with the few Mamba girls. And while in the end, the SA girls are surely prostitutes, the ones I have met are at least partially under the illusion that they are not. They are "regular girls" that appreciate a "little help." It has also weeded out quite a few flakes. If they don't want a pre-meeting, then I generally discard them right away unless they are appropriately communicative online. If we decide to meet and they have trouble with the pre-meeting, then I discard them without regret. At this point there have been 4 that were too flaky and I canceled our pre-meeting. On the other side of that, they also get to examine you.

[Riina]

For the longer meetings I always insist on a meeting beforehand where we just talk over drinks or a light meal. Minimal cost in my mind. Pretty much less expensive than a regular date for sure.

I didn't know prostitutes in Kiev are open to meeting for a snack so you can examine them. Thanks for sharing.

[YummyPL]

So, yes, a longer session is better, but it is not a good idea to agree to three hours for a first time session. What if in the first five minutes you realize that there is no chemistry? My bad. Brief experiences have been when I realized there was no chemistry, and I just went ahead with the deed because I had already committed to paying her. On the other hand, if you have good chemistry and a good time, she will not be too concerned with the time.

I understand what you are saying. For the longer meetings I always insist on a meeting beforehand where we just talk over drinks or a light meal. Minimal cost in my mind. Pretty much less expensive than a regular date for sure.

Both my SA#4 and SA#5 basically attacked me with kisses the first time we were BCD, so I actually slowed them down. Maybe I should just call for takeout and take my chances. But so far I am happy with the choices I have made, and I feel very comfortable with how I have been compensating my companions.

[Stevie69]

Well, you are clearly above average, but even by your time estimates, the total comes up to about one hour. If she likes you and enjoys her time with you, she will not mind is you go a little over an hour, particularly if you spent a third of the time pleasing her. In my experience, bad interactions have lasted less than 30 minutes, and good ones, one to 2 hours, but I have agreed to or paid more than for one hour. The girls with whom I had good interactions always came back for more, and were never too concerned about the time.

So, yes, a longer session is better, but it is not a good idea to agree to three hours for a first time session. What if in the first five minutes you realize that there is no chemistry? My bad. Brief experiences have been when I realized there was no chemistry, and I just went ahead with the deed because I had already committed to paying her. On the other hand, if you have good chemistry and a good time, she will not be too concerned with the time.

For some of us, it is for a lot more than pumping our dicks in them for 5. 5 minutes. On Saturday, SA#4 stayed just short of 4 hours. We were kissing off and on for well over 30 minutes of that. I went down on her twice for probably 20 minutes total. She gives a nice blowjob but probably not more than 5 minutes but without me finishing. The actual sex with my dick being in her pussy was probably a total of about 20 minutes over 2 times. The rest of the time was spent cuddling, talking, touching each other, photos, drinking tea, etc.

When it comes to sex, my problem is not finishing too soon, it is being able to finish at all. Without the conversation, foreplay, kissing, touching, kissing her body, and other lead-up activities, then I could fuck until my lungs exploded and still not finish and eventually I would stop from discomfort or boredom. I would be happy if I could finish in 3 minutes sometime, but it rarely, rarely happens. For me sex is in my mind. If I don't have the foreplay triggers, then I am useless and can't finish at all. If you give me the right girl with the right foreplay, she can easily get me to finish 3 times in 3 hours if I want to (but I usually only do 2 and sometimes even 1). And that is the problem with most professionals--they treat sex as a solely physical thing without touching the mental aspects of sex and it does nothing for me. I don't practice Tantric sex as Kozerog does, but I do have my own psychology of sex..

[DramaFree11]

Good work! 1500 UAH is probably what she would have charged you, so you got it half price.

Good advice about at the door. I made that mistake a couple times during the Quarantine. Very uncomfortable if it is near you apartment. Some guys say they have no problem with this, but I do feel bad. I usually give them the benefit of the doubt, but if they are over weight or completely different photos, I say no.