Seeking Arrangements

[TjBrazil]

Most all that monthly stuff and big ticket items is the exception not the rule. PPM is common but don't call it that if she's a newbie. Need to be sensitive to her not feeling like a hooker. See my newbie guide on this topic tho it's buried quite some pages back now. Be prepared to pay minimum $400 and more likely $500 these days in either of those cities. Maybe more than 500 in LA. Someone on the ground may comment.

500 is a lot. Not looking to spend that. More like 200.

[Steve 9696]

Hi Elvis:

First, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. Yep, a lot of what you say is true in general. However, for me, I am very, very happy in my marriage. My wife is beautiful, smart, funny, reasonable, and gives me a lot of freedom. I absolutely love her. It is just that I have fucked her over 1,000 times already. We still fuck, but we have more fun eating out, watching movies, going on trips, etc.

I simply like fucking as many women as possible. And if the women I am fucking likes fucking me too, then it's even cooler, as it is more passionate.

I might be totally wrong, but I think a lot of mongers are happily married and love their wives.

Yeah we definitely in different situations. My wife and I are like brother / sister — I do love her — but like a sister. Someone you care for but are not romantically inclined with. She's a really nice person so not quite the drama Elvis was experiencing. But I did take steps a couple years back to not allow certain life control she had put on me. Nonetheless not a free and clear man. We will see once the kids are out of high school where this goes.

[Steve 9696]

Can guys with experience using SA in the states give me a quick rundown on what I can expect if I use it in LA San Diego and Vegas. I have used it in Mexico and Colombia but that's a different world than the states. I started to use it in LA and was talking to this girl but the pandemic hit so I just canceled the account since sunset strip was closed.

I'm considering trying it again. I'm not looking to pay a girl.

Monthly fee. I just want to pay per meet. Do most of the American girls agree to this or are there really a lot of guys that buy the girls cars and jewelry pay for their college. I can't compete with that. What do you guys think.

Most all that monthly stuff and big ticket items is the exception not the rule. PPM is common but don't call it that if she's a newbie. Need to be sensitive to her not feeling like a hooker. See my newbie guide on this topic — tho it's buried quite some pages back now. Be prepared to pay minimum $400 and more likely $500 these days in either of those cities. Maybe more than 500 in LA. Someone on the ground may comment.

[TjBrazil]

Can guys with experience using SA in the states give me a quick rundown on what I can expect if I use it in LA San Diego and Vegas. I have used it in Mexico and Colombia but that's a different world than the states. I started to use it in LA and was talking to this girl but the pandemic hit so I just canceled the account since sunset strip was closed.

I'm considering trying it again. I'm not looking to pay a girl.

Monthly fee. I just want to pay per meet. Do most of the American girls agree to this or are there really a lot of guys that buy the girls cars and jewelry pay for their college. I can't compete with that. What do you guys think.

[Midwestern]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.

I met a lot of girls claiming to be undergraduate or graduate students on SA. I am a pretty smart person all around, and so I would ask them what they are studying, and based on their answer I would then ask them a few easy questions. If they are telling the truth about being a student, then answering the questions is both easy and fun for them. If they tell ignore you, then they were probably lying. Of course, a phony could look up answers on the internet, but liars on SA are too lazy to do that.

[Midwestern]

Hi Elvis:

First, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. Yep, a lot of what you say is true in general. However, for me, I am very, very happy in my marriage. My wife is beautiful, smart, funny, reasonable, and gives me a lot of freedom. I absolutely love her. It is just that I have fucked her over 1,000 times already. We still fuck, but we have more fun eating out, watching movies, going on trips, etc.

I simply like fucking as many women as possible. And if the women I am fucking likes fucking me too, then it's even cooler, as it is more passionate.

I might be totally wrong, but I think a lot of mongers are happily married and love their wives.

MW, it is pretty obvious to me that you and Steve are not happy in your marriages.

So I know why you and Steve monger, escapism.

I get the treadmill you and Steve are on because I was on it. Shame, get with another woman, feel better, be shamed again.

[Blue Swede]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.

Expert or not. .

In situations where I am in doubt that the girl in te picture (s) is the girl I am going to meet, I send her a selfie, where I am holding a handwritten piece of paper saying "Hi *girl name* from *BlueSwede*" and asking her to do the same back.

If she refuses = case closed. Most girls think this simple gesture is a bright idea. .

[Pessimist]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.

Have you met her in person? Until you do, every letter you read online / phone is just electrons rearranged in ether to amuse you.

Whether she is a coed or not is not truly relevant, is it? We are paying for looks, personality, quality of time spent, perhaps sex or whatever floats your boat. Arguably, if she is an educated, enlightened coed the conversations will be interesting, etc. But first things first, until you meet her in person everything s / he may have typed in any message through SA or private chats on mobile are to be treated with a large degree of skepticism.

If you have met her, you know who or what she is; then, not a single "expert" from this forum can help that much more because you have met her and we have not.

[Steve 9696]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.

It is true that some girls will represent as coeds when they are not. But I've never had a blatant bait and switch on SA so as Kong as you don't fall for some "pay my gas upfront" or BS like that. As long as she has more than one pic the likelihood is she is the girl in the pics. You will only know for sure when you meet face to face. I've had a couple scams where I live (never elsewhere) where you set the date and get going there or show and They want money before they show. Nope. Not happening. But other than that which is annoying but not expensive I've always met the girl in the pics. Usually better in person.

P.S. Happy to take a quick peek and render an expert opinion (haha) if you want to message me her city and screen name.

[Akibono]

No, chemically speaking, you are going to always get a bigger rush of dopamine, testosterone, and endorphins with a new girl. The problem is that it gets harder and harder to get those highs the more you play. I would rotate my girls to once every 2 weeks to keep things fresh when I was married.

But that is the problem with being married. You are limited on what you can get. When married, I got the best women physically had to offer but not the best emotionally. One is pleasure, and the other is happiness.


Yes, I found my dream girl, and no, it is not like the thrill of a new date and the unknown excitement. I can tell you that my foursome adventure was more fun than hanging out with my gal, but there is a different chemical high I get with her, something you probably do not even realize is missing in your life.

And that is peace.

I do not have to worry about what is on my phone any more because I am just with her. There is peace with that. There is also peace in the sense that I know no other woman is going to fuck me like mine is. I have said she is a 10 with regards to looks, sex, and character, but a woman that good has options. Why is she going to fuck a married guy? She would rather earn her own money than deal with those negative feelings. You do not want to admit that is there but women do not want to be fucking married men even if they say otherwise..

Yes, I agree with much of that. But I can also count just a very, very few girls that were exceptional. I would never get tired of them no matter how many times I have been with them. They just have a certain emotional set that is unique if you pick it up. You always regret not having one more session before they go away. And that is why we do it. We are always looking for that 380000 carat sapphire.

[Akibono]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.

[Elvis 2008]

I'the be willing to bet that most guys on this board have figured out monogamy is a sham foisted on us by culture that has nothing to do with human nature. Man was definitely built to fuck far and wide and spread his seed and propagate our awesomeness. So it really should come as no surprise you want something new. We are wired to find new nubile girls who are young and fertile and move on to them and then repeat this repeatedly. It's basically how we are wired from birth IMO.

The reason for monogamy is not what you think. The Catholic Church ran brothels for centuries, but there was one guy who changed all that, and you may have heard of him. His name is Christopher Columbus.

Yeah, actually the crews who went from the old world to the new came back to the old world with something new, syphilis. Syphilis ravaged Europe and in 1550 the Anglican Church was the first to put in the phrase "Forsaking all others" in the marriage vows.

So monogamy was emphasized in the places where syphilis was an issue but not so much in places where it was not a problem. I think God was not happy with man and enslavement and when Colonialism ended after WW2 that is when the cure of syphilis, penicillin, was made widely available.

It is funny how monogamy though has been sold by the church as being righteous. I remember first reading the Bible and how it was common practice in Biblical times for a man to fuck his slave if his wife could not bear children. Adultery was not meant that a married man fucked a woman other than his wife. It was actually him fucking a woman he did not own. It had to be that. But the Biblical meaning was altered when syphilis hit.

[Elvis 2008]

There used to be a time when I could fuck the same hot girl almost every day for a year. Now, I lose interest after about one month.

About you bros? Can you do long term arrangements?

I am currently in an arrangement with a girl with great tits and she seems to genuinely like me. She never wants to stop fucking when we fuck. But after two months of her, I have already starting looking elsewhere and fucking other girls, even girls that are not as hot.

Is there something wrong with me? Am I just spoiled? Is active mongering with WGs making me jaded and bored easily?

No, chemically speaking, you are going to always get a bigger rush of dopamine, testosterone, and endorphins with a new girl. The problem is that it gets harder and harder to get those highs the more you play. I would rotate my girls to once every 2 weeks to keep things fresh when I was married.

But that is the problem with being married. You are limited on what you can get. When married, I got the best women physically had to offer but not the best emotionally. One is pleasure, and the other is happiness.

MW, it is pretty obvious to me that you and Steve are not happy in your marriages. I went through the usual litany of reasons not to divorce but the truth is I just did not want to give up the money and was afraid of the change. The divorce process totally sucked balls. But even though it was hell to go through, I cannot believe I stayed married to the ***** as long as I did.

It is funny in the sense that one reason that I fought divorce was how much it would cost me, but if today someone offered me a billion dollars to get back with that *****, I would tell them no. Seriously.

So I know why you and Steve monger, escapism. My ex could tell I went to a strip club because she said it was the only time I came home happy, but that was just a temporary fix.

When my ex was mentally beating the shit out of me, I would escape to a woman who would boost my ego. I did not care if the woman I paid was lying, I needed any boost I could get.

Hell, even my ex's divorce lawyer fired her when she made a run on his ego. The woman could make the Pope feel inadequate. I think women push men to cheat much of the time so they can claim to be the victim. Women know when they are sapping men's egos.

The irony is not how bad my ex was but how typical she was. I know guys whose wives were even worse than mine was.

So yeah, I was like you in the sense that I thought why is it that I cannot commit to one woman, but the truth is MW, what woman is going to give all of herself emotionally to you if you are married?

Yes, I found my dream girl, and no, it is not like the thrill of a new date and the unknown excitement. I can tell you that my foursome adventure was more fun than hanging out with my gal, but there is a different chemical high I get with her, something you probably do not even realize is missing in your life.

And that is peace.

I do not have to worry about what is on my phone any more because I am just with her. There is peace with that. There is also peace in the sense that I know no other woman is going to fuck me like mine is. I have said she is a 10 with regards to looks, sex, and character, but a woman that good has options. Why is she going to fuck a married guy? She would rather earn her own money than deal with those negative feelings. You do not want to admit that is there but women do not want to be fucking married men even if they say otherwise.

I get the treadmill you and Steve are on because I was on it. Shame, get with another woman, feel better, be shamed again. The stress is unreal. I did not even get how much there was until I was out of the marriage.

So yeah, a woman is always going to be inadequate if she is just there for pleasure. Long term is built not on pleasure but on your being happy and the only way you have that is with a woman who lowers your stress levels not adds to them.

[Elvis 2008]

Thanks for the tips, Elvis and Steve. Elvis, I'm assuming you're using the desktop site? As I'm using the android app and don't see anything. I have noticed that it seems like I'm not seeing everything available whenever I browse the women. Also, how "fresh" would you say is still good? I'm not getting to Colombia until October (yes, I know I'm starting my search way too early, but it's my first time to Colombia and on sugaring sites and I'm like a dog with a new bone. I can't help myself.) But I'm looking at girls who've joined around January. May this year. Are you guys typically catching girls that are only a month or two in? Do you guys have a typical "best by" date, or do you meet up with them first and play it by ear to discern their intentions?

Lois,

I am just giving out advice now and not playing the game. I found the woman of my dreams.

I read google has banned the Seeking app I read from the play store. I cannot say I am surprised. It is the sex prison after all. But I always used the desktop version.

What is important is not so much how long that the woman has been on the site as much as she has been on other dates. Most of the women I met my first time there in 2019 were on their first date. Since I have been and had success and others followed, then the site got more popular and the johns and working girls invaded. So if they have been on the site a while, ask them how many dates they have been on.

So yeah, talk all you want. I get it. You are excited. Just do not be surprised when you get there and the women you have been super excited to meet flake out on you.

My first trip there I fell in lust with the pic of a woman in Barranquilla. So I fly out to see her and she knows I am there to see her and she flakes on me. I had a back up girl, a Morena that agreed to meet me that night, and she blew me away. She was one of the top three or five fucks I had in Colombia.

The next morning, about an hour before I left, the woman I was in lust with shows up. She is as stunning as I thought but everything was covered, but she was stuck up and a completely forgettable fuck. She asked for a crazy amount to fly to Bogota and meet me and I passed. I had Santa Fe bitches I paid $10 to who were better in bed than she was.

Point is you never know what is going to happen. I have had so many hotties that flaked and had so many women who I thought were not that great who looked awesome in person and fucked the shit out of me without asking for a dime. Just go with the flow. Enjoy your talks but do not build up expectations with any one girl.

I will say that once you actually meet a girl and are seen to be real, rescheduling is not an issue at least it was not for me. So if you have a great session, maybe go a second time with that one versus trying to score with new strange.

[Elvis 2008]

Wow Elvis! Thank you so much for such a detailed post, your advice has been so helpful navigating the SA landscape in Colombia. One thing I'm curious about and would greatly appreciate your input on is going market price or avg price for the date. The girls who quote their rate upfront before negotiating seems to vary greatly from 200 k COP - 600 k COP. It seems that most will settle for 150 k - 200 k, however, I'm trying to figure out the normal going rate for a Colombian chica on Seeking and I'd really appreciate knowing your thoughts and experience on this, what have you paid / been quoted in the past, what is your take on current avg price a Colombian chica on seeking will take, and how would you recommend navigating the negotiations. Thanks again for helping out me as a beginner with all this. Any additional input or insight from others on the forum is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

I do not like to haggle over $25 which is the difference between what 200 K and 300 k is. I would give the women 300 K and be done with it, and I had no complaints. Any woman asking for 600 k is full of themselves, and I would not say another word to them. They are throwing out a crazy number to see if you are dumb enough to pay it or have no fucking clue to as to the value of a dollar (or Peso).

$75 or 300,000 k is like a weeks' work in Colombia.

I had a chocolate bunny in Santa Fe who I would pay 100 k COP or $30 or so for an hour, and she was better looking, more toned, and a better fuck and masseuse that most anyone I met from seeking. She was GFE with me, and I liked her, but she was not really GF or wife material.

I went on seeking to find wife material even if you do not want to get married if you know what I mean. Any woman asking for 600 k up front is done with me. There are too many other options to fuck around with that.