Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[Andalus Expat]

I am also considering having a threesome (never had one) can experienced members of the forum tell me how it is really like? Is it really as fun as it seems to be. I know it is easier for the girls because they going to do half the work each but how is it like for you. Do girls in clubs also do it (I mean the lesbian show and stuff too). Any experiences and suggestions are appreciated.

It depends on what sort of experience you are after. The real thing or theatre? I do know girls who would thoroughly enjoy a booking like this. They like girl / girl interaction. They get off on each other. Just be prepared to be a spectator at times. And you'll need a lot more than an hour. There's girls I do this with regularly who very sympatico (sympatica?) Generally we go 3-4 hours or all night. OK, I'm not running up bills of 150 euros a head an hour. Half of the reason we're doing it is because they want to. So we have an arrangement. But they are putas. They won't work for nothing. (or mostly) And they tend to like some stimulants to enhance the proceedings & their consumption can be prestigious. So bills for those can be hefty for an all-night. That said, I've memories will keep me warm on winter nights.

There's been times when I've had a girl here, likes this sort of thing & we haven't been able to locate a pal. So we've gone through the ads with her doing the phoning & serious grilling. Mixed results. Couple of girls have been enormous fun & are now part of the "family". Other's have been just going through the motions. Unsatisfying for my girl, because she's on (or more exactly not on) the receiving end. And there was virtually a cat fight one night because my girl thought the other was taking the piss & took it personally.

As for renting a duo. You're really renting theatre as far as the girl / girl interaction is concerned. Why would it be anything else? Try matching two girls you don't know who don't work with each other? I wouldn't even bother. And bear in mind that all putas try to control their clients. With two you're outnumbered. You're just as likely to end up with two girls taking turns with you while the other plays around on Whatsapp. Or being pressured into an early dump & them taking the attitude you've had what you paid for, now fuck off. Club girls are notorious for that. Whatever their fanboyz say. Little incentive not to do so. If you're a tourist, they're never going to see you again.

[Qazwsx5]

A word of caution about what can result from these sorts of encounters in a public place. Think very carefully what you're doing. If they're willing to go back to your hotel with you, all you may risk is a bit of opportune pilfering. If the suggestion is you go to her place, you don't even know it exists. You may be headed for a secluded corner & a couple of her accomplices. You were targeted when you walked into the club / bar as a promising prospect, foreign, with money & this is payoff time. This happens a lot more than people think because few victims report such encounters to the police or even admit them to friends. A danger signal is the girl making fone calls or Whatsappery after you've agreed your agenda or along the way. Another is how long it's taken between first contact & departure. A girl you've bought a couple of drinks & been socialising with for a while is more likely to be genuine. Pressure to be away with her 5 minutes after meeting should get the alarm bells ringing. A team doing this can hit half a dozen venues in the course of an evening, so time's money.

A bit more down market but more of the same. The coloured girls who accost you by Fuengirola Port, Plaza Solymar in Benalmadena & various other locations along the coast are not necessarily prossies. You'll find when you're in some dark corner with a condom on your dick & your trousers round your ankles they're pickpockets. If her "friend" accompanied you on your excursion you can guarantee it. There's also Romanians pull the same stunt. Although if you're drunk or stupid enough to fall for the scam there's probably little point warning you.

Thanks very much for the info. Thats the reason I always have doubts picking up freelancers in bars and etc. I like the game and having a few drinks at the bar but then when I want to get to the main thing I do not want to take them back to my place and then I am afraid to go to their place, because you never know what to expect there. The street thing is not my thing but you are right you have to really drunk to stupid to fall into that trap but then again many people do actually fall so.

I like the high class ones in expensive bars (the disco part of la sala, downstairs is still for sale) but the problem is the place to take them afterwards.

I am also considering having a threesome (never had one) can experienced members of the forum tell me how it is really like? Is it really as fun as it seems to be. I know it is easier for the girls because they going to do half the work each but how is it like for you. Do girls in clubs also do it (I mean the lesbian show and stuff too). Any experiences and suggestions are appreciated.

[Andalus Expat]

Do you have any suggestions about picking up freelancers in marbella clubs?

A word of caution about what can result from these sorts of encounters in a public place. Think very carefully what you're doing. If they're willing to go back to your hotel with you, all you may risk is a bit of opportune pilfering. If the suggestion is you go to her place, you don't even know it exists. You may be headed for a secluded corner & a couple of her accomplices. You were targeted when you walked into the club / bar as a promising prospect, foreign, with money & this is payoff time. This happens a lot more than people think because few victims report such encounters to the police or even admit them to friends. A danger signal is the girl making fone calls or Whatsappery after you've agreed your agenda or along the way. Another is how long it's taken between first contact & departure. A girl you've bought a couple of drinks & been socialising with for a while is more likely to be genuine. Pressure to be away with her 5 minutes after meeting should get the alarm bells ringing. A team doing this can hit half a dozen venues in the course of an evening, so time's money.

A bit more down market but more of the same. The coloured girls who accost you by Fuengirola Port, Plaza Solymar in Benalmadena & various other locations along the coast are not necessarily prossies. You'll find when you're in some dark corner with a condom on your dick & your trousers round your ankles they're pickpockets. If her "friend" accompanied you on your excursion you can guarantee it. There's also Romanians pull the same stunt. Although if you're drunk or stupid enough to fall for the scam there's probably little point warning you.

[Andalus Expat]

We have to wait and see how it all ends up. The situation was very bad in 2020, it has slowly picked up a bit in the summer, lets hope 2022 will be better.

Do you have any suggestions about picking up freelancers in marbella clubs? Which are the best ones?

Thanks.

Navy Bar at Puerto Banus was always a good one. So was La Sala but I don't know if the disco side ever reopened.

As for freelancers, they come in two flavours. The fully professional. Can be top quality. Can be damned expensive. Sky's the limit, really. You can be looking at girl is hoping to latch on the yacht set & be expecting couple grand a day. No half hour, 50 euro quickies, with them. The other sort's the foreign girls here who shouldn't be. No residency etc. Nobody will touch them, work wise. Clubs, apartments, villas. Fines for having one of those found on the premises would be eye-watering. For the same reason, finding themselves an apartment to work in independent's problematic. If they have the money to get one. There's a lot of them float around sofa surfing in friend's flats, maybe hooking up with a guy for a while, if they can snag one. You can bump into them in any of the discos or busy bars. Normally sus them by being apparently unattached to a male & some friendly signals if they catch your eye. Sometimes found in pairs. I've always regarded them as a sport. A clash of intentions. You want to get into her knickers. She wants to get into your wallet. I make sure, if she needs feeding, it's at a restaurant of a mate where she'll get what she's given, not what she ordered. And keep her away from retailing, especially the expensive type. I wouldn't go back anywhere with one. Could be walking into anything. Stick to my own turf & make sure there's nothing stealable accessible to enquiring hands. And I let her see cash, not plastic, to avoid expensive ideas. One modest wad for show & the rest securely tucked away. It's a battle of wits, really. Some become very obviously poison, very quickly. Some turn out to be decent girls, down on their luck, making their way best they can. Two or three hundred could see you right for the night. Especially now with money so tight. I had a rather tasty Venezolana came like this a couple years back, stayed around for while. Would have been nice to keep her. Cheap enough to run. But it's buying into a lot of problems & responsibilities. Think of being stopped by the police on the way home in the car, one night.

2022 better? For someone coming down here with a pocket full of money to spend, yes. As long as we're not back in restrictions & lockdowns. For Spain, I doubt it. The shit's left the fan but is still airborne.

[Qazwsx5]

My experience of clubs is really from the time I was doing a lot of travelling around Spain. I had a home up on the French / Belgian border, convenient for the UK, & a house in SW France I was refurbishing. The Pyrennees were visible from the top of the hill & crossing into Spain a couple of hour's drive. Ended up renting a place at Sagunto as a staging point. Later a house in the mountains south of Granada & eventually here. So there was a period of a lot of long distance regular commuting. Either north via Madrid, Burgos, Biarritz or the Med coast to Perpingan. Occasionally Zaragoza, Huesca for Toulouse. Don't know how many clubs I've seen in all. Spot the neon from the highway, drop in break the journey. I prefer the smaller one's, not the meat racks get talked about on the club board. Friendlier. Less hustling. Closer to the traditional Spanish brothel. (There's one on the A92 Granda / Almeria's like something out of the Wild West. Including unwelcome patrons exiting horizontally airborne through the front door. The woman runs it wields a mean baseball bat) Yes, I know E92 has its long term girls. Knew a few of them outside the club. The names don't mean much to me because I'm familiar with real names not work names. Maybe some are still there. I rarely visit clubs now because I have no reason to. I don't pay girls for their company. Only sex. I have a social life. It's hard to think of anything more tedious than being on the receiving end of a club girl's sales patter. FKK will always mean Freikorperkultur to me & my interest in watching middle aged Germans playing tennis naked is marginal. My Germany was the Western one & West Berlin & a great playground it was. I can monger quite successfully in UK, France, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Portugal & Romania if the mood takes me. I'd like to try Russia. My sole experience of massage places was the result of trying to get alongside a rather tasty Colombiana masajista. Successfully. She was the girlfriend for a while & still close friend. I have had all the massages I will ever need. That said, I did run one for a couple of years in the Los Boliches villa. Profitably. Got the pricing right.

Prossies have been part of the furniture since I was a wet-behind-the-ears teenager living in an Earls Court bedsit & hanging round West End coffee bars. The final London address was Queensway & a couple of Thai girls had a flat downstairs. Used to come up & sunbathe on the roof terrace. I like prossies. They're fun. Also the first go-to anywhere for useful information not found in the guidebooks. They're networked in & know everything worth knowing. The game may be the oldest profession but it's also the oldest form of unemployment. There always have been & always will be far more women wanting to rent the assets they're sitting on than there are punters wanting to pay for them. There's a few woman make a successful living at it. Most don't. For the reason they got into it in the first place. They're lazy, unreliable, not very bright, lying, unpostables who couldn't hold down a proper job if the wanted to.

I'd certainly like to post more information on here, help guys connect with girls. For the benefit to the girls, if nothing else. Problem being, it would need to be useful information. This site is not a particularly good place to do this. For a start it's not in real time. Moderation puts the posts appearing considerable time after they're uploaded. Plus the lag before they're read. Then there's the moderation policy forbids the posting of the girls' advertised phone numbers. So there's only linking to Pasion ads, which by their nature are ephemeral. That's against a situation where there's far more girls trying to work here than there's ever been & a lot less money going around. They come, they stay a few days, they go try & find somewhere better. The apartments keep changing. The list I posted a couple of months back was sound at the time. Avenida Acapulco seems to have gone. At least none of their numbers are live & I haven't heard of anyone working there. They may have reopened somewhere else with different numbers. There was the number I called yesterday, trying to get in touch with a girl. The one who answered said she'd never heard of her & wherever she was wasn't in an apartment in Camino de Coin. The forum message service would be quicker. But the current board users seem to be reluctant to cough up the trivial membership fee enables it. I have a circle of acquaintances down here & we share up-to-date information. If someone wants to contact me via the website number they're welcome. But please do so if you're actually here. Not like some idiot in Ireland, at 4 AM, regarding a possible holiday in October. The fuck-off you will receive will be profound. The best I can do here is to try & point people in the right direction for getting a successful punt & the pitfalls to avoid.

Qazwsx5 "this company owns about 5 other venues in Spain (all of them expensive)".

That's interesting. The only other Imperativa. SL interest I could see was a possible branch in Madrid. Although that could just be a nameplate at the accountants. 4 m turnover (the only such figure I've been able to find) would be about what I'd expect a place like Scandalos / Malaga to be moving & that's nowhere near what one would expect from a total of six sites. Are you saying Imperativa's a subsidiary of a head group? That could break both ways, of course. Lack of diversity in a business isn't necessarily a good thing. They may own the property, but it depends with whose money? The cap's 2.5 m (if that means anything). Although it's about what would have been required to set up a place like that; But companies don't usually fund the asset themselves.

We have to wait and see how it all ends up. The situation was very bad in 2020, it has slowly picked up a bit in the summer, lets hope 2022 will be better.

Do you have any suggestions about picking up freelancers in marbella clubs? Which are the best ones?

Thanks.

[PayForIt]

Quick question if I may. Do you currently need to wear face masks in Scandalos or Estark?

Thinking about heading to CDS but hate them.

No requirement for masks in either club.

[Andalus Expat]

A couple of points in response to your reply. I am in Spain 6 months of the year normally. Business and travel restrictions have prevented that this year though Im still likely to make it over 5 months in 2021. So I don't live there. But I'm there enough to know what is going on and I agree that there has been (and is continues to be) damage to businesses. But the big clubs are not going out of business or anywhere near it. I dont just rely on what managers say - I trust what I actually see - Scandalos and E92 bouncing with punters several nights per week. I also trust what some of the girls I know say.

The owner can sack a girl in the sense that s/he can tell her she is no longer free to enter the club / work in the bar / use the rooms / pay for a room. It happens. The drink is extra income for the club and for the girl. I'm not in agreement about it only being girls' way of extracting money from mugs. It is nice to get into a bit of party mode and buying a few drinks for girls who have been short of work in the past 12 months is no bad thing. I'm sure they are delighted to receive your 10 euros each time! I dont give money to girls I dont want hassling me - I politely but firmly tell them I am not interested.

My experience of clubs is really from the time I was doing a lot of travelling around Spain. I had a home up on the French / Belgian border, convenient for the UK, & a house in SW France I was refurbishing. The Pyrennees were visible from the top of the hill & crossing into Spain a couple of hour's drive. Ended up renting a place at Sagunto as a staging point. Later a house in the mountains south of Granada & eventually here. So there was a period of a lot of long distance regular commuting. Either north via Madrid, Burgos, Biarritz or the Med coast to Perpingan. Occasionally Zaragoza, Huesca for Toulouse. Don't know how many clubs I've seen in all. Spot the neon from the highway, drop in break the journey. I prefer the smaller one's, not the meat racks get talked about on the club board. Friendlier. Less hustling. Closer to the traditional Spanish brothel. (There's one on the A92 Granda / Almeria's like something out of the Wild West. Including unwelcome patrons exiting horizontally airborne through the front door. The woman runs it wields a mean baseball bat) Yes, I know E92 has its long term girls. Knew a few of them outside the club. The names don't mean much to me because I'm familiar with real names not work names. Maybe some are still there. I rarely visit clubs now because I have no reason to. I don't pay girls for their company. Only sex. I have a social life. It's hard to think of anything more tedious than being on the receiving end of a club girl's sales patter. FKK will always mean Freikorperkultur to me & my interest in watching middle aged Germans playing tennis naked is marginal. My Germany was the Western one & West Berlin & a great playground it was. I can monger quite successfully in UK, France, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Portugal & Romania if the mood takes me. I'd like to try Russia. My sole experience of massage places was the result of trying to get alongside a rather tasty Colombiana masajista. Successfully. She was the girlfriend for a while & still close friend. I have had all the massages I will ever need. That said, I did run one for a couple of years in the Los Boliches villa. Profitably. Got the pricing right.

Prossies have been part of the furniture since I was a wet-behind-the-ears teenager living in an Earls Court bedsit & hanging round West End coffee bars. The final London address was Queensway & a couple of Thai girls had a flat downstairs. Used to come up & sunbathe on the roof terrace. I like prossies. They're fun. Also the first go-to anywhere for useful information not found in the guidebooks. They're networked in & know everything worth knowing. The game may be the oldest profession but it's also the oldest form of unemployment. There always have been & always will be far more women wanting to rent the assets they're sitting on than there are punters wanting to pay for them. There's a few woman make a successful living at it. Most don't. For the reason they got into it in the first place. They're lazy, unreliable, not very bright, lying, unpostables who couldn't hold down a proper job if the wanted to.

I'd certainly like to post more information on here, help guys connect with girls. For the benefit to the girls, if nothing else. Problem being, it would need to be useful information. This site is not a particularly good place to do this. For a start it's not in real time. Moderation puts the posts appearing considerable time after they're uploaded. Plus the lag before they're read. Then there's the moderation policy forbids the posting of the girls' advertised phone numbers. So there's only linking to Pasion ads, which by their nature are ephemeral. That's against a situation where there's far more girls trying to work here than there's ever been & a lot less money going around. They come, they stay a few days, they go try & find somewhere better. The apartments keep changing. The list I posted a couple of months back was sound at the time. Avenida Acapulco seems to have gone. At least none of their numbers are live & I haven't heard of anyone working there. They may have reopened somewhere else with different numbers. There was the number I called yesterday, trying to get in touch with a girl. The one who answered said she'd never heard of her & wherever she was wasn't in an apartment in Camino de Coin. The forum message service would be quicker. But the current board users seem to be reluctant to cough up the trivial membership fee enables it. I have a circle of acquaintances down here & we share up-to-date information. If someone wants to contact me via the website number they're welcome. But please do so if you're actually here. Not like some idiot in Ireland, at 4 AM, regarding a possible holiday in October. The fuck-off you will receive will be profound. The best I can do here is to try & point people in the right direction for getting a successful punt & the pitfalls to avoid.

Qazwsx5 "this company owns about 5 other venues in Spain (all of them expensive)".

That's interesting. The only other Imperativa. SL interest I could see was a possible branch in Madrid. Although that could just be a nameplate at the accountants. 4 m turnover (the only such figure I've been able to find) would be about what I'd expect a place like Scandalos / Malaga to be moving & that's nowhere near what one would expect from a total of six sites. Are you saying Imperativa's a subsidiary of a head group? That could break both ways, of course. Lack of diversity in a business isn't necessarily a good thing. They may own the property, but it depends with whose money? The cap's 2.5 m (if that means anything). Although it's about what would have been required to set up a place like that; But companies don't usually fund the asset themselves.

[Qazwsx5]

Hi, so my favourite is https://tantracorporalcenter.com. Not the cheapest but great looking ladies. Used to be an incredible duo of Valeria (blonde) and Nura (Spanish) but both gone now. Not been since before pandemic. Facilities are fabulous. Apartment 19 D in Plaza de la Merced. Discreet though you have to walk to a restaurant to get to the front door. But if you press the buzzer when your time of appointment is there they just open with no questions. Have never had a bad experience in here. Also never had FS despite requests!

In Banus, https://www.happyrelaxtime.com/ is excellent. Easy parking by the BMW or Porsche garage. Bit villa like operation where you arrive, get shown into a room, the beauty parade takes place. Normally about 7 or 8 girls and you have to choose one there and then. Not what I like to do, and not as good as sitting in a club lounge, chatting then picking based upon a bit of chemistry, but it is a reasonable alternative. Most of the girls will do FS for an extra 100. But this makes this an expensive alternative to clubs. If you have already paid 150 for the erotic massage and now being asked 100 more for FS, it is a 250/ hour punt. That is worse than the price in Scandalos where you had 50 girls to choose from! Nice facilities underground.

Another option in Banus is https://www.facebook.com/BanusZenMassage/. You can have a perfectly "normal" massage here without any extras. But if you just turn up they will show you two price lists. With the erotic list separate. Minimum 120/ hour. Not FS. Just HJ and previous requests for more were rejected. Told only HJ available. Think it depends on the girls though.

In answer to "is it worth it?" I'm afraid that depends on how you feel / what you are willing to spend. On occasions when I don't want to hit a club, or don't want to drink, or am tired and want an early night but fancy fun, this is a reasonable alternative for me. And it always does include a massage not just the erotic bit. But if you just want sex my guess is you would either go to a villa or wait for the clubs to open, unless you know some escorts who are not bait and switch who you trust. The latter being a lot cheaper. I am not a villa fan normally because I have been to some where 6 very ugly girls are trotted out and then having to make your excuses to leave means they know you thought they were all unattractive and you get some feisty comments before leaving. At least in a massage place you can say you just want a normal massage with no sex and pay a much lower price and enjoy the massage! I'm sure there are other options on massage. There are two Chinese operated ones second line of P Banus. Tried both and both awful! But would be good to hear from others who have had better experiences at other places along the coast.

Thanks for great info.

I like a good erotic massage and then full service, because that is the way it should be, you want full service after an erotic massage (for me the point of erotic massage is to enjoy the sex much more) , it seems that it is a hit and miss in these places (depends on the girl etc) and as you righty say it gets very expensive in that one place in marbella (250 and I suppose that is whole thing in an hour).

I have heard good things about paula in mijas. Now that teddybear also recommends her, that's worth the try, because she gives full service.

[PayForIt]

I have seen your posts on massage places, are they really worth it? Is everything included or you just go there for massage? Can you recommend the best one on the CDS that you have visited?

Thanks.

Hi, so my favourite is https://tantracorporalcenter.com. Not the cheapest but great looking ladies. Used to be an incredible duo of Valeria (blonde) and Nura (Spanish) but both gone now. Not been since before pandemic. Facilities are fabulous. Apartment 19 D in Plaza de la Merced. Discreet though you have to walk to a restaurant to get to the front door. But if you press the buzzer when your time of appointment is there they just open with no questions. Have never had a bad experience in here. Also never had FS despite requests!

In Banus, https://www.happyrelaxtime.com/ is excellent. Easy parking by the BMW or Porsche garage. Bit villa like operation where you arrive, get shown into a room, the beauty parade takes place. Normally about 7 or 8 girls and you have to choose one there and then. Not what I like to do, and not as good as sitting in a club lounge, chatting then picking based upon a bit of chemistry, but it is a reasonable alternative. Most of the girls will do FS for an extra 100. But this makes this an expensive alternative to clubs. If you have already paid €150 for the erotic massage and now being asked 100 more for FS, it is a 250/ hour punt. That is worse than the price in Scandalos where you had 50 girls to choose from! Nice facilities underground.

Another option in Banus is https://www.facebook.com/BanusZenMassage/. You can have a perfectly "normal" massage here without any extras. But if you just turn up they will show you two price lists. With the erotic list separate. Minimum €120/ hour. Not FS. Just HJ and previous requests for more were rejected. Told only HJ available. Think it depends on the girls though.

In answer to "is it worth it?" I'm afraid that depends on how you feel / what you are willing to spend. On occasions when I don't want to hit a club, or don't want to drink, or am tired and want an early night but fancy fun, this is a reasonable alternative for me. And it always does include a massage not just the erotic bit. But if you just want sex my guess is you would either go to a villa or wait for the clubs to open, unless you know some escorts who are not bait and switch who you trust. The latter being a lot cheaper. I am not a villa fan normally because I have been to some where 6 very ugly girls are trotted out and then having to make your excuses to leave means they know you thought they were all unattractive and you get some feisty comments before leaving. At least in a massage place you can say you just want a normal massage with no sex and pay a much lower price and enjoy the massage! I'm sure there are other options on massage. There are two Chinese operated ones second line of P Banus. Tried both and both awful! But would be good to hear from others who have had better experiences at other places along the coast.

[VsPanties]

Quick question if I may. Do you currently need to wear face masks in Scandalos or Estark?

Thinking about heading to CDS but hate them.

[Qazwsx5]

I don't only monger in clubs BTW. As Qaz can confirm, I am seeing a regular ex-92 girl outside of the club. I have several regulars outside of clubs. I also like the erotic massage places and have reported on many in Malaga and Puerto Banus over the years in this very forum..

I have seen your posts on massage places, are they really worth it? Is everything included or you just go there for massage? Can you recommend the best one on the CDS that you have visited?

Thanks.

[Qazwsx5]

Scandalo seems to be owned by Imperativa. SL If you can interpret European company balance sheets, their '20 annual accounts will be published in the near future. They should encompass at least the first months of Covid lockdowns & restrictions.

Yes, that is right, this company owns about 5 other venues in spain (all of them expensive) it is their strategy to go for rich clients, the situation is bad but they are too big to fall (at least for the foreseeable future) they also possibly own the property so do not have many bills coming in.

UPDATE Marbella:

Lots of independent girls are now in the discos and beach clubs in marbella, just make eye contact and they approach you, asking price is about 300 an hour but quality is real good. If you want to have a good night out and then have fun, just go to one of the famous clubs over there.

Estark:

Lots of girls working (50-60) , at night very busy on weekends (not good since the good looking ones are nearly always upstairs), best days to visit I think are Wednesdays and Thursdays.

Golden cock:

It is open non stop for the last 7 - 10 days. Not many cars in the parking, but seems that at least there are some girls working there.

Can someone give an update on some new independent girls and villas? Slumi marbella is also full of 9's. Please share if you have tried some of them.

[PayForIt]

It's Jummy1 who posted the message which was deleted by admin.

Apologies. You are quite right.

[Haitek]

A couple of points in response to your reply. I am in Spain 6 months of the year normally. Business and travel restrictions have prevented that this year though Im still likely to make it over 5 months in 2021. So I don't live there. But I'm there enough to know what is going on and I agree that there has been (and is continues to be) damage to businesses. But the big clubs are not going out of business or anywhere near it. I dont just rely on what managers say - I trust what I actually see - Scandalos and E92 bouncing with punters several nights per week. I also trust what some of the girls I know say.

The owner can sack a girl in the sense that s/he can tell her she is no longer free to enter the club / work in the bar / use the rooms / pay for a room. It happens. The drink is extra income for the club and for the girl. I'm not in agreement about it only being girls' way of extracting money from mugs. It is nice to get into a bit of party mode and buying a few drinks for girls who have been short of work in the past 12 months is no bad thing. I'm sure they are delighted to receive your 10 euros each time! I dont give money to girls I dont want hassling me - I politely but firmly tell them I am not interested.

I don't only monger in clubs BTW. As Qaz can confirm, I am seeing a regular ex-92 girl outside of the club. I have several regulars outside of clubs. I also like the erotic massage places and have reported on many in Malaga and Puerto Banus over the years in this very forum. I will occasionally frequent the villas but don't like the entry then immediate requirement to select modus. If you consider clubs nursery slopes you must think escorting is a black run! IMHO its the opposite! Oh for sure you run far more risk of bait and switch escorting (so more dangerous). As someone who has been mongering for over 30 years all over the world (not just on CDS) I believe I would be considered "experienced" but if you consider me inexperienced you are entitled to your opinion. But you rather express that you are an undoubted authority on mongering on the CDS when in fact your actual knowledge of the club scene appears limited or restricted to an odd visit, or out of date. It is partly why there is a benefit in having a clubs only blog so that punters who like the club scene best get to report on it. I am not aware of you posting a single positive review on there!

I'm not sure punters do really understand what is going on or what the "splendid opportunities" are. But I openly invite you to share those splendid opportunities for the benefit of everyone who reads this forum. You recently published a long list of possible venues. I have absolutely no doubt many found it invaluable. I think if you post a list of the splendid opportunities from your experiences it will be equally well received.

As Haitek rightly observed, before his post was deleted for being argumentative, possibly due to the tone or vocabulary, there is little point in you and I sparring in this forum. I don't say you are not not experienced. You clearly are. I don't accuse you, and would not do so, of "knowing fuck all" (as you did).

So let's get back to focusing on what these forums are actually supposed to be about: the imparting of really useful information for the benefit of all mongers. Whether you know more, or less than me or anyone else is frankly totally irrelevant! And I agree with Haitek that members of these forums are not logging in to read silly spats. They want information on good places to go, great girls to see, good experiences of great service, bad experiences and who to avoid. So by all means do share the splendid opportunities and I do not doubt that you will know what they are from your clearly extensive knowledge of the mongering scene on the CDS. I will be as interested to read those experiences and will personally be delighted to scrap a debate on when all the puticlubs will close or not. Let's just see shall we. Meanwhile - let's get back to the true purpose of the forums so that guys are reading about what they really want information on.

It's Jummy1 who posted the message which was deleted by admin.

[PayForIt]

Rather than fly down for the odd visit, I live & operate here. And I'm well aware of the damage the past year & a bit has done to businesses. And is still being done.
PayForIt, I wouldn't regard someone who confesses himself he can't operate off of the nursery slopes of the puticlubs & FKKs as an experienced monger. It's a very small slice of the sport. I'd have more respect for Teddy Bears who hacks it without difficulty.
"when I want a girl to have a drink with me I will slip her 20 euros. She goes to the bar and buys her drink which costs her 10 if she buys it. Cost to me 20. Cost to the girl 10. Money in club till 10 only instead of the 15 they take out of the 30. One of the two owners says he would sack a girl if he saw this."

How would he sack her? She doesn't work for the club. She's a paying guest in the hotel. You have the transaction the wrong way round. The drink is the girl's way of extracting money from the mugs.

But I hope it's useful to those punting down here to understand what's going on. There really are some splendid opportunities.

A couple of points in response to your reply. I am in Spain 6 months of the year normally. Business and travel restrictions have prevented that this year though I’m still likely to make it over 5 months in 2021. So I don't live there. But I'm there enough to know what is going on and I agree that there has been (and is continues to be) damage to businesses. But the big clubs are not going out of business or anywhere near it. I don’t just rely on what managers say - I trust what I actually see - Scandalos and E92 bouncing with punters several nights per week. I also trust what some of the girls I know say.

The owner can “sack” a girl in the sense that s/he can tell her she is no longer free to enter the club / work in the bar / use the rooms / pay for a room. It happens. The drink is extra income for the club and for the girl. I'm not in agreement about it only being girls' way of extracting money from mugs. It is nice to get into a bit of party mode and buying a few drinks for girls who have been short of work in the past 12 months is no bad thing. I'm sure they are delighted to receive your 10 euros each time! I don’t give money to girls I don’t want hassling me - I politely but firmly tell them I am not interested.

I don't only monger in clubs BTW. As Qaz can confirm, I am seeing a regular ex-92 girl outside of the club. I have several regulars outside of clubs. I also like the erotic massage places and have reported on many in Malaga and Puerto Banus over the years in this very forum. I will occasionally frequent the villas but don't like the entry then immediate requirement to select modus. If you consider clubs “nursery slopes” you must think escorting is a black run! IMHO its the opposite! Oh for sure you run far more risk of bait and switch escorting (so more dangerous). As someone who has been mongering for over 30 years all over the world (not just on CDS) I believe I would be considered "experienced" but if you consider me inexperienced you are entitled to your opinion. But you rather express that you are an undoubted authority on mongering on the CDS when in fact your actual knowledge of the club scene appears limited or restricted to an odd visit, or out of date. It is partly why there is a benefit in having a clubs only blog so that punters who like the club scene best get to report on it. I am not aware of you posting a single positive review on there!

I'm not sure punters do really understand what is going on or what the "splendid opportunities" are. But I openly invite you to share those splendid opportunities for the benefit of everyone who reads this forum. You recently published a long list of possible venues. I have absolutely no doubt many found it invaluable. I think if you post a list of the splendid opportunities from your experiences it will be equally well received.

As Haitek rightly observed, before his post was deleted for being argumentative, possibly due to the tone or vocabulary, there is little point in you and I sparring in this forum. I don't say you are not not experienced. You clearly are. I don't accuse you, and would not do so, of "knowing fuck all" (as you did).

So let's get back to focusing on what these forums are actually supposed to be about: the imparting of really useful information for the benefit of all mongers. Whether you know more, or less than me or anyone else is frankly totally irrelevant! And I agree with Haitek that members of these forums are not logging in to read silly spats. They want information on good places to go, great girls to see, good experiences of great service, bad experiences and who to avoid. So by all means do share the splendid opportunities and I do not doubt that you will know what they are from your clearly extensive knowledge of the mongering scene on the CDS. I will be as interested to read those experiences and will personally be delighted to scrap a debate on when all the puticlubs will close or not. Let's just see shall we. Meanwhile - let's get back to the true purpose of the forums so that guys are reading about what they really want information on.