Zurich

[ShoesAndSocks]

Maybe,

That might have been the reason, maybe they didn't want a lower rate from a package customer and that's what motivated their behaviour.

Still, that level of "organization" amongst the girls is very off-putting. I imagine that mindset stems from a group of not very busy girls sitting around and stewing over a lack of business, which says a lot (bad) about the club itself.

Drinks are a very minor part of the FKK experience as far as I'm concerned (being pretty much a non-drinker). Based on my time in these clubs, the girls who focus on them are poor performers and/or alcoholics.

[Cowens]

At Neuenhof, if you don't take the package, then it's 49 entry and 99 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
With the 199 package, if the club still takes 49, then it's 75 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
Do you think the girls are asking for drinks from those who take a package to try and make up the difference (assuming they get a cut of the drinks you buy them)?
And, pre-paying doesn't happen anywhere else in FKK / Sauna clubs that I'm aware of. As you say, it introduces a risk that isn't worth taking for first timers.

I haven't been in the Neuenhof, but I have plenty of experience at the Cleo that belongs to the same group (Bitci) and uses the same pricing with "cheap" packages and prepaid rooms. From what I have seen, the price difference between the "package" price and the "normal" price (entry + room) is all absorbed by the club. The girl will get the same money for a room if you pay it full price or if you have a package. There is no way for them to distinguish how customers pay before the decision to go to the room. It is to mention also that at the Cleo, you will anyway pre-pay the first 30 minutes of each session if you haven't bought a package of if you go to additional rooms. If you have a package, you just give your key number to the girl and she goes alone to the reception to deduct your room from your prepaid package, otherwise you go with the girl and pay the full price for at least the first 30 minutes. It is always possible to stay longer and come back at the end to pay the additional fees. I wonder also how the clubs can survive economically with this model and drinks could be part of the answer. It can be also justify for a club to "lose" money during a launch period. Finally, there is a battle between the Bitci (Cleo, olymp, Zeus, etc.) and the Imperium (Globe. History, Palace, etc.) groups, and prices are the weapon of this war. The big issue with Bitci clubs (and Imperium also) is that management talent varies widely from club to club and they sometimes lack imposing a standard good service across their subsidiaries. This being said I haven't had any problems at the Cleo with the prepaid system in maybe 20 visits and had only 2-3 requests for drinks during this period, but I also keep the initial sofa chit-chat timing to 5-10 minutes and the prices for rooms are higher at Cleo, so girls might have less needs to make money on drinks.

[Sirioja]

Maybe,

That might have been the reason, maybe they didn't want a lower rate from a package customer and that's what motivated their behaviour.

I don't think when BTICCI make HH and packages and girls are used to, many Neuenhof girls coming from Cleo. When Globe girls give 20 on 140 to desk, I don't think BTICCI girls make less money from HH or packages entries than normal rate 120/30 , when many HH or packages entries. I think you were just unlucky about your girl, did you see Aida who looks natural attractive? Compare to photoshop porn silicon looks at Globe. I think you made a mistake on your discovery, when I would pay only entry 49 to discover and 1 hour would be 198 , so 247 versus 199 package but no risk nor pressure to go for only average. Some good girls at Cleo, with Aida and Mara ex Globe, so I think should be same at Neuenhof belonging to same group, even Olymp is lower level for looks, but each one own experience. When already compulsory mask in our ski resort, so I have to focus to speed to ski as soon good weather to free ride, but after I should try to discover Neuenhof and return to Cleo when sometimes free entry with foods, so no risk.

[Delta Indigo]

I am puzzled by the packages in this chain of clubs (never had the chance to visit any yet).

At Neuenhof, if you don't take the package, then it's 49 entry and 99 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
With the 199 package, if the club still takes 49, then it's 75 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
Do you think the girls are asking for drinks from those who take a package to try and make up the difference (assuming they get a cut of the drinks you buy them)?

And, pre-paying doesn't happen anywhere else in FKK / Sauna clubs that I'm aware of. As you say, it introduces a risk that isn't worth taking for first timers.

Maybe,

That might have been the reason, maybe they didn't want a lower rate from a package customer and that's what motivated their behaviour.

[KaveMan]

Certain mindsets believe that successful cheating is winning, even if it does not pay off in the long run.

I think your loss was actually minimized at 100.

They are running a scam and would have run up your drinks tab times two girls, surprise bucket of champagne and say cork is out too late, or added "fee" to credit card days later.

Or they will hold your card, or passport or threaten calling police until you.

Some gang or crook has planted the girl at front desk and is running it until they are found out with card charge backs or real Manager is tipped off.

Have to keep in mind prostitution is a criminal enterprise and we have to build in risk premium for loss.

[ShoesAndSocks]

This report should be categorized under regretful experiences...

I am puzzled by the packages in this chain of clubs (never had the chance to visit any yet).

At Neuenhof, if you don't take the package, then it's 49 entry and 99 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
With the 199 package, if the club still takes 49, then it's 75 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
Do you think the girls are asking for drinks from those who take a package to try and make up the difference (assuming they get a cut of the drinks you buy them)?

And, pre-paying doesn't happen anywhere else in FKK / Sauna clubs that I'm aware of. As you say, it introduces a risk that isn't worth taking for first timers.

[Maxime]

Thanks for the Warming DI. This is exactly the reason I never go for prepaid (also not in Germany where they use to have this "all you can fuck" clubs. Terrible.

Sad you had to experience this.

[Delta Indigo]

This report should be categorized under regretful experiences. We are not talking about sub standard service from one or more girls, but rather systematic cheating.

I have been to other clubs in the chain and had no problems, except for this one. This is far from the cream of the crop, I think this is a bottle of the barrel type of club. So I had pre paid for the 199 CHF, 2 girls included package, I would never do this again in this club, not that I am ever going there again, ever again.

So I approached one of the girls for a session and she said she wanted to drink, wanted me to buy her a drink, I politely declined and then she told all the other girls to refuse to go with me. Some of them had been friendly before but were now shunning me.

I approached the front desk and told them about this, they kept defending the girls and blaming me and said that they could not refund part of my fee. I said this is obviously what happened and then they kept coming up with more excuses and lies. I don't have a problem with the fact that they did not completely believe me, I am astounded that customers satisfaction is such a low priority in this club. There were 2 girls at the front desk and obviously the one who was defending them had been a former working girl and was in league with them.

Normally Switzerland is relatively good for customer satisfaction, the club was totally indifferent and did not care. If you visit this club, I would never get the pre paid package in case something like this happens. The basic entrance is cheap and I should not have gotten the package in that case I would have had no regrets.

In the end the drinks were waived, but I lost 100 CHF as part of the deal. This never happens in Switzerland normally. My guess would be that the chain management would not approve of this, but the local club did. If you pre pay for service and then all the girls refuse to go with you, then they make money for free and maybe split it up at the end.

Or the girl whom I refused drinks to, took revenge this way. Then they made up numerous stories about my behavior and so on. I think they did not expect me to protest and would have been happy. But this chain's policy of pre paying is not a risk free venture. If you don't pre pay then the prices are not that low. I have never had an experience like this in any club in Switzerland. Times are tough and cheating increases when times are tough.

Certain mindsets believe that successful cheating is winning, even if it does not pay off in the long run.

[Belbo]

You told you had several rooms with her, but can't even speak with her at Globe, so she doesn't seem to remember. Usually, girls who have a regular, go to him.

Man, the jealousy is gnawing at you! LOL.

Sorry, but I am not as crazy to reveal the details, I'll keep them for me!

And for sure my idea of pleasure and fun in this world it is not linked to how much "successful" I am with the most wanted girls: on the contrary, normally I tend to avoid the superstars in Globe, because I do not believe that a girl, who is busy the whole day, can offer good performances to all customers. Sofia is the only girl for whom I have made an exception.

[Sirioja]

At least we won't fight for looks. Always subjective, but for sure I would be much more often at Globe if more girls on Adriana level for look and behavior. Full natural and fresh, looking like a woman, not a porn doll. She will be nearly perfect when finishing to erase her shoulder tattoo. Beautiful firm naturals, woman curves, milky skin. Lovely welcoming for behavior with me after our discovery, generous in room and honest. Part timer freshness. Unfortunately, even I know Saturday is best casting day, furthermore with her, when I don't care about crowd competition, but I have most of time better to do on Saturday with my sport on Summer I finished mid November and now ski Worldcup. On another forum, they elect Miss for each main club, Noemi was Miss 2019, Clair on 2020 when not even 1 vote for Sofia who would have been my Miss 2020, but Adriana would be my Miss 2021 even only 2 rooms with her, my only 2 rooms on my only 2 2021 Globe visits, when I found girls with more charm and elegance in Germany, what worth the most for me and for much less expensive, and then I m motivated to work to make them following my game, and I repeated many times. Each one own taste and standard of course.

Fortunately for me, she runs less fast than a horse, anyway I didn't need to run after her on Saturday 7 August when she welcome me and remembered a lot about our too fast discovery after 2.30 am on Saturday beginning of July. Club was closed when we finished.

[Sirioja]

How do you know that she did not recognize me?

Are you by chance jealous, or what, of Sofia, after she seems to have rejected you and preferred having public sex with a old ugly man? LOL.

Agree, nice girl, who now is in Amesia only on the week-end and works during the week in Club Seline.

You told you had several rooms with her, but can't even speak with her at Globe, so she doesn't seem to remember. Usually, girls who have a regular, go to him. For sure, I saw her going to geriatric, but sex in public was not with him or I didn't see.

[Belbo]

I prefer only 1 top girl meaning beauty, rather than 60 average looks. I m surprised Sofia doesn't recognize you remembering your rooms, or maybe she changed under Globe business? When I m used girls I got, welcome me as did Swiss Adriana at Globe. When I was with a girl, if she doesn't welcome me after, then she is not interesting for me. I.

How do you know that she did not recognize me?

Are you by chance jealous, or what, of Sofia, after she seems to have rejected you and preferred having public sex with a old ugly man? LOL.

remember elegant GFE Milena at Amesia. I'm more excited by women images.

Agree, nice girl, who now is in Amesia only on the week-end and works during the week in Club Seline.

[Sirioja]

Adriana is a Swiss WG who works only Saturday or sometimes Friday. Since she is Swiss and not often in the club she can be quite busy. She is 21, good body, looks a few years older, not a pretty face, a bit horse face.

At least we won't fight for looks. Always subjective, but for sure I would be much more often at Globe if more girls on Adriana level for look and behavior. Full natural and fresh, looking like a woman, not a porn doll. She will be nearly perfect when finishing to erase her shoulder tattoo. Beautiful firm naturals, woman curves, milky skin. Lovely welcoming for behavior with me after our discovery, generous in room and honest. Part timer freshness. Unfortunately, even I know Saturday is best casting day, furthermore with her, when I don't care about crowd competition, but I have most of time better to do on Saturday with my sport on Summer I finished mid November and now ski Worldcup. On another forum, they elect Miss for each main club, Noemi was Miss 2019, Clair on 2020 when not even 1 vote for Sofia who would have been my Miss 2020, but Adriana would be my Miss 2021 even only 2 rooms with her, my only 2 rooms on my only 2 2021 Globe visits, when I found girls with more charm and elegance in Germany, what worth the most for me and for much less expensive, and then I m motivated to work to make them following my game, and I repeated many times. Each one own taste and standard of course.

[PaulInZurich]

...I have no clue who is Adriana...

Adriana is a Swiss WG who works only Saturday or sometimes Friday. Since she is Swiss and not often in the club she can be quite busy. She is 21, good body, looks a few years older, not a pretty face, a bit horse face.

[Sirioja]

Last time I was there, there were far less than 60 girls and the overall atmosphere were really down; the level was clearly better than Amesia, but in the end I counted only two girls with whom I would have a session.

I have no clue who is Adriana, while with Sofia I am not the "fox and the grapes" type, it gnaw at me a great deal that the 3 times I saw her since June I could not even exchange a few words, let alone have a session with her! Ironically, one day she was probably even free, but I had already given everything and about to leave and lost the moment, before she was quickly engaged by another customer; I am still kicking myself!

However, I have already made the mistake to go to the club to chase only one girl and no way I'll repeat it!

Silicon depends, fake tits can be also nice, as long as they are not like balloons and fits in the body of the girl; while porn theater kills my desire, I do not mind tattoos.

And yes, I do not mind as well that in Clubs the girls work as prostitutes and behave as prostitutes; what else should they do?

Agree, Amanda can be the reason why I may go back to Amesia.

I prefer only 1 top girl meaning beauty, rather than 60 average looks. I m surprised Sofia doesn't recognize you remembering your rooms, or maybe she changed under Globe business? When I m used girls I got, welcome me as did Swiss Adriana at Globe. When I was with a girl, if she doesn't welcome me after, then she is not interesting for me. I remember elegant GFE Milena at Amesia. I'm more excited by women images.