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03-07-22 03:10 #241
Posts: 2002Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]
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03-07-22 03:07 #240
Posts: 2002Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
What else are you driveling about? EU will be the same thing as NATO? What does it even mean? Why elect Yanukovich? I have no idea, but it's their business, not yours or mine. Why wait until the rejection of the EU agreement to revolt? Because that's when it was rejected. Why rearm? Gee, I don't know, maybe because Russia always threatened to invade? Who the hell are you to tell a sovereign nation what to do?
The only sensible thing here is that they shouldn't have touched the language. In a country with 20% of ethnic Russians it was foolish and insensitive. The rest is pure garbage.
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03-07-22 02:21 #239
Posts: 1261Originally Posted by LazySummer [View Original Post]
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03-07-22 01:42 #238
Posts: 516Originally Posted by MojoBandit [View Original Post]
I would invite you to compare your Article 9 of the "Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation" with Article 5 of the NATO treaty.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive...exts_17120.htm
There's a big difference between "immediately hold contacts and consultations" and NATO's "The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all" provision.
Now, that doesn't mean China couldn't interpret Article 9 to include armed assistance, IF they wanted to and IF it served their interests. But that treaty only commits them to contacts and consultations, nothing more.
Like you, I've been a China and Russia watcher for many years. I can't recall reading or hearing any expert assert that China and Russia have a binding mutual defense pact. And, given the current state of affairs, I think we'd be hearing a lot about it. If, however, you have a link or reference to an expert who does make that assertion, I'd certainly be glad to check it out.
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03-07-22 00:34 #237
Posts: 99The Purpose of the Forum
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03-06-22 23:57 #236
Posts: 6461Bully Empires
Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]
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03-06-22 21:57 #235
Posts: 1261Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Article 9 of the 2001 Sino-Russian Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation states: "When a situation arises in which one of the contracting parties deems that peace is being threatened and undermined or its security interests are involved, or when it is confronted with the threat of aggression, the contracting parties shall immediately hold contacts and consultations in order to eliminate such threats. ".
https://warsawinstitute.review/issue...tary-alliance/
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03-06-22 21:34 #234
Posts: 1261Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
https://warsawinstitute.review/issue-2020/russia-china-a-limited-liability-military-alliance/
https://thediplomat.com/2016/12/behi...-relationship/
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3067.html
https://tass.com/politics/1379867?ut...rer=google.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_S..._of_Friendship
https://warontherocks.com/2020/08/th...e-cooperation/
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...1836911b1dbc45
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mili...s-trade-player
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03-06-22 20:03 #233
Posts: 2844The Czechs didn't take on a Bully.
The Warsaw pact countries led by The Evil Empire invaded Czechoslovakia in August 1968,occupied it for few months, set up a puppet government, then withdrew their armies.
The rest is now history, But how does the Czech Republic now stand in world rankings?
'The Czech Republic Among the 20 Happiest Countries In The World'. https://www.praguemorning.cz/the-cze...-in-the-world/.
https://kafkadesk.org/2019/10/02/cze...es-for-expats/
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03-06-22 16:24 #232
Posts: 1264Excellent!
For being a sex site, that was one heck of a good report on McGregor and other aspects of our air defense and offensive capacities in Europe and beyond. Perhaps, Flynn and McGregor are BFF?
Originally Posted by MojoBandit [View Original Post]
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03-06-22 15:07 #231
Posts: 625Originally Posted by Fred54 [View Original Post]
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03-06-22 14:46 #230
Posts: 516Originally Posted by MojoBandit [View Original Post]
China always puts their own interests first, obviously, and they also have a history of issues, problems, and conflicts, with respect to Russia. For example, China makes mention from time to time of their "Century of Humiliation" at the hand of western powers. It's a powerful motivation that drives them to keep striving for power and dominance in world affairs. Well, Russia was one of the offending countries, in China's view. Do a search for Amur Annexation to see how much land China was forced to cede to Russia, including Vladivostok.
That's not to say they don't have some common interests. China is happy to use Russia to poke the West in the eye. But any help Russia gets is likely to come at an exorbitant price and China would love for Russia to become economically dependent on them. They would love to bleed Russia of oil and other resources at a huge discount and their history with Russia makes it likely they'd see the current situation as an opportunity to balance the ledger to some degree.
It's also worth pointing out that China needs the West, especially Europe, more than they need Russia. Russian GDP is less than that of Italy and can't replace the money China gets from Western markets. So China is walking a tightrope and is unlikely to be the savior to Russia that many think.
Here's a crude analogy: Since they're both predators, Russia in a military way and China in an economic way, their relationship is a bit like pairing Freddy Krueger from Friday the 13th with Michael from Halloween. How long before they turn their knives on each other?
P.S. The link you shared only mentions an agreement for closer coordination and cooperation which, while certainly a matter of concern, doesn't rise to the level of a mutual defense pact. I have a hard time envisioning China ever putting their soldiers in harm's way for Russian interests.
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03-06-22 14:39 #229
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by MojoBandit [View Original Post]
Russia and China are the same? Please don't try to explain that here Colonel General Mojo. Such insight is best kept in the highly classified think tank war room, the one in your head.
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03-06-22 12:27 #228
Posts: 1261Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]
He says Americans do not want such and such and Europe does not want such and such - and yet the vast majority want to send weapons and even the majority want to impose no-fly zone. I do not suppor us or NATO setting up a no-fly zone. I know how risky that is. I believe they support it becuase they do not understand that a know fly zone requires shooting down planes and that is the same as sending in troops. ( In a world where there were no nuclear bombs I would love to see it - our F22s would dominate them so fast it would be a sight to see)
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-americans-broadly-support-ukraine-no-fly-zone-russia-oil-ban-poll-2022-03-04/
I know who Colonel MacGregor is and I know there is a reason he was only a colonel and did not get selected to be a general. I am a US Army veteran and I am on several group pages of FB and other places with thousands of other veterans. They all say Macgregor is a nut case who should just go live in Russia. He was babbling nonsense about missiles. Look it up man, all of our missiles in eastern europe are defensive missilles designed to knock missiles out of the sky. They are not offensive weapons. He is a nutjob. He is literally lobbying for a foreign power saying we should not have a missile defense - which by the way is mostly ineffectiv to Russian misssiles and is directed at missiles from North Korea.
You realize Macgregor was in he was in "friends of the soviet union" (if you do not believe me check his wiki page it is in the first paragraph) and most vets I know think he got recruited by the Russian intelligence then, I do not know for sure of course but shit it makes sense. Everything he suggest doing is a benefit to Russia at the expense of the free world. I also know that the vast majority of US Army generals think his suggestions would weaken our nation's defense beyond repair.
It also amazes me with how many people are not up on international relations enough to realize that Russia and China are the same. They have a mutual defense pact. They are the same animal in this regard. So you cannot hope to fight one and not the other. So weakening our position in Europe or NATO is also appeasing China as much as appeasing Russia well but it seems politically convenient for people to ignore.
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...y-cooperation/
I know is it is a sad day when Americans start taking sides with a Tyrant over people who choose to live free. Ukrainians are literally saying right now "live free or die". To them it is not a bumper sticker. The president of Ukraine was offered a way out of the country and he said "I need ammunition not a ride". That is now how a corrupt leader acts. That is how a lover of theor country and of freedom acts. I am done now. Americans who do not believe in freedom should just all move to russia. I do not understand what they are waiting for.
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03-06-22 10:34 #227
Posts: 1261Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]