Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Mojo Bandit]

They had their freedom and then more and more fascistic elements and more and more western psyops and weapons showed up abetting a coup until the 'spirit of freedom?' was held hostage to extreme nationalism which has led to the present situation.

"western psyops and weapons showed up abetting a coup" - How delusional. The fact that the whole situation was public knowledge that the Ukranians did not want to be part of a pathetic Russian economic zone is just common sense. How pathetic is the russian economy! Choosing between russias pathetic 1. 5 trillion fiefdom and a 20 trillion free economy is common sense to anyone who is not delusional.

No sane human being would choose to be part of sadly ran economy that squanders resources on an epic scale and that could create wealth and oppurtunity for everyone but only rewards butt lickers instead of entrepreneurs. Russian does not have an economy. Cronyism where a handful of people are billionaires and everyone else is poor is not an economy. These are the facts.

Russia has more natural resources than any other country in Europe. It should therefor have the largest economy and most oppurtunity as any country in Europe. But hell no. Russia has ten times as many people and yet fewer millionaires than Belgium. Its a fucking economic joke. Russia economic management is the laughing stock of the world. No one needs to use psy ops to get someone to change their mind when its common sense.

I can see that some people do not respond to reason so they must live in a bubble of propaganda - I shall mute all such from here forward

[Reiner Otto]

Russia already had a demographic problem, with low birthrates among ethnic Russians. Now they've isolated themselves and tens (hundreds?) of thousands of the youngest, brightest, and best, are leaving.

Unfortunately, you will be right. Being a "Putin Fan" until annex of Crimea, having lived and worked several years in SPb, and several years in the South of UA, I still remember the brain-drain around year 2000, when, because of commercial issues, lot of very smart guys left their countries. I had an acquaintance, former Prof. of CS at SPb-State University, when starting his job in Redmond, with $icrosoft, he told me: 50% of my collegues here speak Russian.

And a lot of the "Russian Beauties" left to the West, too.

I appreciated it.

Looks, like history will repeat. Unless, Putler will be replaced, soon.

[Questner]

Here is a 'beauty', an illustration to all clueless w mongers who have no idea about the conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrMwaRzeLJI

[Jmsuttr]

They had their freedom and then more and more fascistic elements and more and more western psyops and weapons showed up abetting a coup until the 'spirit of freedom?' was held hostage to extreme nationalism which has led to the present situation.

By no means am I looking at Ukraine with rose-colored glasses, but it's quite interesting to see criticism of Ukraine for having nationalist elements while completely glossing over the existence of the same phenomenon in Russia. Here are a few comments and observations to consider:

1. Interview of Nikita Khrushchev's great-granddaughter in which she calls out Putin for his poisonous nationalism. And, while she's not shy about criticizing Ukraine, the US, and the West, she's crystal clear about Putin bearing sole responsibility for the war.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...new-new-russia

2. Russia and Putin have their own history of cultivating nationalist and Neo-Nazi groups. Which means that Putin's pointing the finger at Ukraine is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

https://theconversation.com/putins-f...o-nazis-178535

3. The concept of Russkiy Mir, which imbues Russian nationalism with a religious component and fervor. Russkiy Mir (my take) elevates nationalist desires into a crusade in which Russia has both the calling and the God-given right to unite and rule over Greater Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...-putin-kirill/

Western and Russian psyops have been going at each other since at least the Cold War. And, even assuming a worst-case scenario of Ukraine applying to join both NATO and the EU, those processes would have taken years, even if those organizations were favorably disposed. I'm no expert but, as I understand it, unanimous votes are required to admit new members. I can think of at least two (Germany and Hungary) that would very likely cast a negative vote.

Before Putin decided to invade, he was in a position of strength and had "soft power" in high degree. He could have chosen any number of paths but chose this one. Nobody forced his hand. Now he and Russia are royally screwed because, no matter how the war turns out, Russia will be a pariah state for years, if not decades.

[HulaHoops]

So not one pic since you been their? If so be careful no body sees you, hmmmm stay safe.

I apologise, we haven't taken any pictures. It just hasn't been our main focus since we've been here. I will make an effort on Wednesday to take a picture close to the motherland monument.

In regards to the statement: "I've never been in a place that's racist to white people before."

I am more relaxed and logical now. Basically because I know I will be leaving Kyiv soon and I admit the statement above was an over emotional one.

I realize now that it's not fair whatsoever to judge people based on how they behave during wartime. I understand perfectly now that during wartime, the native civilians are given priority.

At the time I made the statement, I was extremely stressed and not sleeping well whatsoever. As I have said before we made the wrong decision to come here.

That particular statement came from some situations my group and I experienced.

1. One situation was when we went to purchase some items / seek assistance and we were ignored / brushed aside, while Ukrainians were given preferential treatment.

Looking back at the situation now, I am not angry. In wartime, native civilians are given priority. Maybe if we were able to speak Ukrainian, the situation might have been different. However I am not angry whatsoever.

2. An argument with some older Ukrainian men that did become a bit heated / a little physical.

Reflecting on this situation, these men were angry and looking for someone to blame. There were no lasting injuries and as I said before, it's not right for me to judge the actions of people during wartime. They were just jealous that we are able to leave the country and they are forced to stay.

The situations above are outliers but at the time I wrote the post, they were very distressing and it seemed that people were angry.

Are most Ukrainians like the people above? No. Most are just doing their best to stay sane and calm during this crazy period. They just want to go back to their normal lives and for the Russians to leave.

The young man who is helping us. He is going above and beyond for us. He got us resources, translated and has been our guide. He is helping us to leave Ukraine and for that we are paying him a great amount. He has become our friend and even introduced us to his extended family. When we do leave, we are determined to keep in contact with him and he has mentioned that we will always be welcome to stay with him.

My earlier posts are a bit emotional to be honest. All people are going to act differently when their country is being bombed, attacked and they are at war. Especially in the early days of war. If my country was being invaded and attacked, my first priority would be ensuring the safety of my family and those around me. I won't care about anyone else outside of that circle. I will repeat again, it wasn't right for me to judge the actions of people during wartime.

I do admit it saddened me to be called a troll and a liar. I however understand what would make you guys think that. I am a lurker, I read and don't contribute. However I will change that, I will start posting more and contributing value to the forums. I have been to Ukraine many times and this website has been a great resource, Kyiv is a wonderful place as I am sure we all know. Once wartime is over, I am sure things will go back to normal. As long as the Russians don't shell everything to dust.

[RacShack]

Starts in 45 minutes. Will take pictures on Wednesday.

So not one pic since you been their? If so be careful no body sees you, hmmmm stay safe.

[Neurosynth]

I'll try take a picture somewhat close to the motherland monument. I won't post my face, I will write my name on a piece of paper.

And while you are at it perhaps you can explain what this means and why it's relevant here:

"I've never been in a place that's racist to white people before. ".

[Golfinho]

I have had a profound respect for the Ukrainian people's spirit to fight for their freedom since 2013.

If anyone had been paying attention in 2013 and 2014 when their corrupt president betrayed them and they rose up and protested and the more protesters they killed and kidnapped the more people showed up to protest and fight.

They had their freedom and then more and more fascistic elements and more and more western psyops and weapons showed up abetting a coup until the 'spirit of freedom?' was held hostage to extreme nationalism which has led to the present situation.

[The Cane]

Americans like to win. The LA Olympics was the best ever, no competition. I have has a productive day so far today and intend to stay on this winning track. No time to squander wrestling with American and their Fox News / CNN / Coca cola injections.

Speaking of injections, Russians like to win too, and will go to great lengths to do so by cheating, such as by injecting their athletes with banned substances. So much so that Russia can't even participate in the Olympics as a nation anymore! Rather, doped up Russian athletes must participate under the flag of the "Russian Olympic Commitee": https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/russia...y?id=79069924. And even then, a Ruskie still does not learn a lesson and tries to get away with cheating: https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/n...igure-skater/.. The only thing a Ruskie understands is strength. Peace through strength! War (and continued Ruskie cheating) through weakness! Sorry, but I could not ignore such "low hanging fruit".

[HulaHoops]

Starts in 45 minutes. Will take pictures on Wednesday.

[Jmsuttr]

Americans like to win. The LA Olympics was the best ever, no competition. There is emerging competition in Ukraine in the form of Russian ordnance. Most of Asia, the Lev ant (which the US destroyed) and Africa (which the US rape) are watching, many wondering if Americans will be turned on the way Germans were after 1945.

I have not bothered reading your essay as there is no point. American expansionism is being blocked in Ukraine. That is the first necessary but not sufficient condition. Western Europe is going to take a massive hit because of US / NATO meddling. "Putin" can only be blamed so long.

I have has a productive day so far today and intend to stay on this winning track. No time to squander wrestling with American and their Fox News / CNN / Coca cola injections.

Two classic ways of trying to avoid admitting defeat:

1. Change the subject (box checked).

2. Abandon the original argument (box checked).

It must be your worst nightmare that your pathetic ad hominems keep getting pummeled by simple logic and argumentation. Just like it must be Putin's worst nightmare that he's exposed just how weak his military is. As I've posted previously, Ukraine's future will not be an easy one, but Russia's future is in the shitter.

Russia already had a demographic problem, with low birthrates among ethnic Russians. Now they've isolated themselves and tens (hundreds?) of thousands of the youngest, brightest, and best, are leaving. Will that be offset by people emigrating into Russia? Not very likely, given current conditions, except maybe a few Syrians who have it even worse in their own country.

No matter what the outcome of the war, win, lose, or draw, Russia is well and truly fucked. And Putin is solely responsible. The rest of the world already knows all this. Putin's big problem will be when the chickens of awareness come home to roost.

[HulaHoops]

Hello all,

Not much to report. It seems we will be leaving Kyiv to the border. We've paid a local to help us with transportation as I've mentioned before.

I had a long post written up as to proving my validity however it didn't get posted for some reason. Ah well.

As I have said before I have no reason to mislead or lie to others. If you let me know any pictures of landmarks in Kyiv you want me to post, I will take a picture and write my name on a piece of paper to prove my validity and that I'm actually in Ukraine.

As for the poster who is also in Ukraine. I don't have the PM facility.

Will every foreigner that comes to Ukraine get attacked? Of course not. We came at a specifically ridiculous and emotionally tense time. I hope other foreigners come to Ukraine and post their reports. If they disagree with my reports that's fine, they just had a different experience. The more reports on the forum the better..

I'll try take a picture somewhat close to the motherland monument. I won't post my face, I will write my name on a piece of paper.

Sun begins to set around 6 pm here in Kyiv so I will do it during the afternoon for maximum sunlight.

When I mention exposing my identity, I mean showing proof that I am actually in Kyiv. I cannot show my face as I am sure you all understand.

Kyiv is going into a curfew Tuesday evening, I will try to get it done before then.

Please also accommodate that it takes about a day or two after posting before my posts show here. Because of my low post count.

[PedroMorales]

My previous post had, as its central theme, the increasing influence of the US and NATO in Europe. Since you've not only failed to refute, but also affirmatively conceded the point, the argument has been conclusively won (by me).

Americans like to win. The LA Olympics was the best ever, no competition. There is emerging competition in Ukraine in the form of Russian ordnance. Most of Asia, the Lev ant (which the US destroyed) and Africa (which the US rape) are watching, many wondering if Americans will be turned on the way Germans were after 1945.

I have not bothered reading your essay as there is no point. American expansionism is being blocked in Ukraine. That is the first necessary but not sufficient condition. Western Europe is going to take a massive hit because of US / NATO meddling. "Putin" can only be blamed so long.

I have has a productive day so far today and intend to stay on this winning track. No time to squander wrestling with American and their Fox News / CNN / Coca cola injections.

[The Cane]

This guy is totally unhinged and removed from reality.

So best to just ignore "Evo" versus wasting valuable time on him.

[VinDici]

Tell me something I don't know. Zelensky, a clown ....

This guy is totally unhinged and removed from reality.