Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Paulie97]

Based on the swing counties I know. I believe Biden won the election. However, I am also distressed by how lax the Democrats want to make voting standards going forward. I have no problem with moving voting to Sundays, but I have a lot of problems with recent trends towards mail-in voting, unmanned voting boxes and vote harvesting efforts.

You would have to be naive to think that there is a lack of election integrity in some Democratic and Republican cities and counties in the United States. The money in our government is too big for unethical behavior not to follow. The "there's no evidence" line is a cop out. Most people know that you can't detect most voter fraud. And yet, people on both sides have still been convicted over the years..

Then you are "distressed" for no reason. Americans have been voting securely by mail for 150 years. And the FBI and other election security experts aren't distressed don't know what you think you know.

"In a press briefing on election security on Aug. 26, senior FBI officials said they've found no evidence of coordinated fraud with mail-in ballots and also highlighted how unlikely the scenario would be. 'It would be extraordinarily difficult to change a federal election outcome through this type of fraud alone, given the range of processes that would need to be affected or compromised by an adversary at the local level,' the FBI said. ".

https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/m...ble-to-commit/

Read the whole article for details and illustrations.

And you erect and knock down a straw man. No one is saying "no evidence" of fraud, but that it's rare and didn't come remotely close to changing the outcome of the 2020 election. And everyone's shit is together. Even the sham recount by a partisan group in Arizona turned up nothing. Yes we get all the conspiracy theories like 2000 mules, like out of all these "mules" none have loose lips and all are keeping the secret. Then there's the 60+ frivolous lawsuits that never got off the ground. Voter fraud is rare, with Trump's top election security official Chris Krebs calling the last election the most secure in US history. And voter fraud involves a felony and is impractical on an individual basis just to get in an extra vote for a preferred candidate, especially for someone here on a green card that would be deported.

Mail in voting is common in a number of countries, and we have seen plenty of success with it in the US. Conservatives are against it while for a number of ways to make it harder to vote because they are increasingly in the minority and cannot win national elections otherwise. They depend on low turnout. It's a solution without a problem, and we get it with the racist dog whistles and all the focus on and imagery of Hispanics in Arizona and blacks in Georgia and Philadelphia processing ballots, "Birth of a Nation" revisited, nothing new under the sun. That was Trump's calling card from the start, backlash from the first black president, and it continues. It sells and is lucrative. Anyway enjoy a bit more reading, or, if you don't like those, Google is full articles that oppose the ideas you are sympathetic towards. I'm taking a break from the monger forum war and politics for a while as I'm overwhelmed with work responsibilities. Plus I already thoroughly hashed this one out with the conservatives in the American politics forum. Am not up for a rerun, at least not so soon.

https://www.demandthevote.com/truth-about-voter-id

https://news.columbia.edu/in-mail-ab...-vote-election

[Paulie97]

Yeah debunked with leftwing lies.

Yep Bill, like your cohorts you just cry "fake news" and never read the article, nice and easy and requires little brain power. Here's you're guy. See attachment. His his criminality and history of spreading false information is well documented, as is the flawed methodologies, non-sequiturs, and omissions in "2000 Mules." Better luck in 2024. Wink.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2XJ0OQ

[WyattEarp]

Too bad 60+ frivolous lawsuits were laughed out the door. LOL Better luck in 2024.

P.S. Best wishes on your English language studies.

Based on the swing counties I know. I believe Biden won the election. However, I am also distressed by how lax the Democrats want to make voting standards going forward. I have no problem with moving voting to Sundays, but I have a lot of problems with recent trends towards mail-in voting, unmanned voting boxes and vote harvesting efforts.

You would have to be naive to think that there is a lack of election integrity in some Democratic and Republican cities and counties in the United States. The money in our government is too big for unethical behavior not to follow. The "there's no evidence" line is a cop out. Most people know that you can't detect most voter fraud. And yet, people on both sides have still been convicted over the years.

The Courts really don't want to intervene. They want state and local jurisdictions to get their shit together and keep it that way. Just my two cents.

[Jmsuttr]

From some news source: "Of course we want peace, but we also want our territories back," said Anna Ockmanko, 57, whose house in a small village outside of Kharkiv was destroyed when Russian forces invaded. "If not, then what are we suffering for?

Sad truth is that Ukrainians are suffering as punishment for their stupidity. Stupidity is not always punished in this world, but it usually is, and the punishment is typically severe, because that's the only way to get stupid people to learn. Same as teaching a stupid animal: since stupid animals can't / won't learn by logical reasoning, they have to be beaten silly with a stick until pain finally sinks in and forces them to learn.

Not the first to use following metaphor, but worth repeating over and over. If a robber points a gun at your stomach and says "give me all the money in your wallet", then you are very stupid not to comply, because certainly your life is with more than any amount of money. Yes, complying is cowardly surrender. And? Go back and read this metaphor over and over until you understand, because the alternative is what happens in the preceding paragraph: if you can't learn by reason, including via metaphors, then you will be probably be beaten silly with a stick, so to speak, to force you to learn.

From the Ukrainian perspective, they're fighting for their very lives. It's irrelevant whether you, or anyone else, agrees with that assessment. That's how Ukrainians view the situation and that's why their response is what it is. Using your robber scenario, if you believe (or are sure) that the robber intends to kill you, then you'll resist in any way possible and with all your might. The truly stupid reaction would be to do anything else.

So, to anyone sitting in their comfy chair, observing from a safe distance and opining that Ukraine should be doing this or that, I'm guessing a clear and loud "go fuck yourself" would be the likely Ukrainian response.

[Kozerog]

From some news source: "Of course we want peace, but we also want our territories back," said Anna Ockmanko, 57, whose house in a small village outside of Kharkiv was destroyed when Russian forces invaded. "If not, then what are we suffering for?

Sad truth is that Ukrainians are suffering as punishment for their stupidity. Stupidity is not always punished in this world, but it usually is, and the punishment is typically severe, because that's the only way to get stupid people to learn. Same as teaching a stupid animal: since stupid animals can't / won't learn by logical reasoning, they have to be beaten silly with a stick until pain finally sinks in and forces them to learn.

Not the first to use following metaphor, but worth repeating over and over. If a robber points a gun at your stomach and says "give me all the money in your wallet", then you are very stupid not to comply, because certainly your life is with more than any amount of money. Yes, complying is cowardly surrender. And? Go back and read this metaphor over and over until you understand, because the alternative is what happens in the preceding paragraph: if you can't learn by reason, including via metaphors, then you will be probably be beaten silly with a stick, so to speak, to force you to learn.

[Jojosun]

At it back in 2020, No wonder he Won https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0.

LOL, 2000 Mules.

Fine talk about reducing emissions, LOL "he is supposed to be committed to reducing emissions – but when President Joe Biden produced a little natural gas of his own at the COP26 summit, it was audible enough to make the Duchess of Cornwall blush."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...26-summit.html

The "Sleepy Joe" doze off https://news.sky.com/video/cop26-joe...video-12457263.

Come 2024 he'll be Gone With The Wind.

[Bill1963]

2000 mules debunked.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...ut-voting-mai/

Just another far right yawn, filed away with Hillary's emails, lock her up, Hunter's lap top, Bill Clinton's BJ, and Obama's birth certificate. But D'Souza, a convicted felon pardoned by Trump wanted some money from stupid people also. Why should Trump get it all?

Yeah debunked with leftwing lies.

Same lies the pathetic democrats are trying to spin inflation is because of Putin.

Luckily hardly anyone believes this and the democrats are on their way out like a bunch of dogs.

[Xpartan]

The only country in the world who has fought wars since WWII is US.

I wonder what can possibly possess a grown-up to say something so monumentally stupid.

[Jmsuttr]

The only country in the world who has fought wars since WWII is US. I don't have to mention where all they have waged war in the world, in the name of democracy, and how those countries are now.

If we see the histroy after WWII, we will know, there is always an understanding between these powers (US and Russia)! Even there are against each other. Irony!!

So in short, if US can start a war, they can stop a war too!!

Ukrainian president was supper confident of the support he is going to get from the west (especially US), check his speaches before the war.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2703784

If Russia doesn't want to stop fighting the war, the only way the US could make them stop would require the use of force by the US military, or NATO, or both.

That would a) Play into Putin's hands by allowing him to frame the conflict as existential, with Russia's nationhood at stake, and; b) Exponentially raise the risk that nuclear weapons could be used.

Also, you're mistaken as to a fundamental fact. Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine, not the US and not American arms manufacturers. It was Putin, and he alone, who started the war. And, since he started it, the war will continue until Putin, or his successor, gives the order to stop.

Any questions?

[Paulie97]

The only country in the world who has fought wars since WWII is US. I don't have to mention where all they have waged war in the world, in the name of democracy, and how those countries are now.

If we see the histroy after WWII, we will know, there is always an understanding between these powers (US and Russia)! Even there are against each other. Irony!!

So in short, if US can start a war, they can stop a war too!!

Ukrainian president was supper confident of the support he is going to get from the west (especially US), check his speaches before the war.

Now he talks, west needs to do more! That is when we need to think! What went wrong!!

Remember, war brings money / economic growth!! In the expense of people of a country. In this case, its the Arms manufacture of US, with the money fo tax payers!!

When the congress passes a multibillion aid! For arm supply, its taxpayer money paid to the Arms manufacturs!

Check the share prices of US arms manufactures in last 3 months!!.

All you've done is ignore all of Jmsuttr's points and concerns while repeating the same assertions all over again, but this time tacking on double exclamation marks at the end of each sentence. And you earn a demerit by adding the ludicrous claim that the US has been the only country involved in war since WW II. We should expect better, even in a hooker forum. Why don't you go back and try again? Wink.

[Mike963]

The only country in the world who has fought wars since WWII is US. I don't have to mention where all they have waged war in the world, in the name of democracy, and how those countries are now.

If we see the histroy after WWII, we will know, there is always an understanding between these powers (US and Russia)! Even there are against each other. Irony!!

So in short, if US can start a war, they can stop a war too!!

Ukrainian president was supper confident of the support he is going to get from the west (especially US), check his speaches before the war.

Now he talks, west needs to do more! That is when we need to think! What went wrong!!

Remember, war brings money / economic growth!! In the expense of people of a country. In this case, its the Arms manufacture of US, with the money fo tax payers!!

When the congress passes a multibillion aid! For arm supply, its taxpayer money paid to the Arms manufacturs!

Check the share prices of US arms manufactures in last 3 months!!

Its important to stop the war, to save the people!! But who cares of the people!!

I'm sure there are plenty of ways to look at the situation, including views from 10,000 feet that focus on which players (countries and companies) might benefit from, or be taking advantage of, the conflict.

But it's hard for me to concern myself with such issues while Ukrainians are being killed, captured, tortured, and their cities reduced to uninhabitable rubble.

When confronted with that in-your-face reality, there are only a very few questions at the top level of priority:

Q: Who bears primary responsibility for the conflict?

A: Russia.

Q: Who is the only party with the ability to unilaterally bring an end to the conflict?

A: Russia.

Q: How can the conflict be stopped?

[Paulie97]

No wonder he Won https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0.

Viral fake news, taken out of context and easily debunked.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...p-call-joe-bi/

[Paulie97]

2000 Mules.

2000 mules debunked.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...ut-voting-mai/

Just another far right yawn, filed away with Hillary's emails, lock her up, Hunter's lap top, Bill Clinton's BJ, and Obama's birth certificate. But D'Souza, a convicted felon pardoned by Trump wanted some money from stupid people also. Why should Trump get it all?

[Paulie97]

At it back in 2020. No wonder he Won https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0.

LOL, 2000 Mules.

Too bad 60+ frivolous lawsuits were laughed out the door. LOL Better luck in 2024.

P.S. Best wishes on your English language studies.

[Jojosun]

Looks like he said North Korea when he meant to say South Korea. Big deal, is hardly worth the cap key. Many of Trump's gaffes and word salads are legendary, such as "oranges of the investigation" Ha Ha. But even that isn't worth the cap key or steering us off topic in a Kyiv discussion, even though Biden had enough going on between his ears to mop the floor with Trump in two debates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUPsNgmXR7M

At it back in 2020. No wonder he Won https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0.

LOL, 2000 Mules.