Medellin Reports

[HarryDubois]

I speak Spanish fluently, which helps a lot, but I look like a gringo. I'm in my 30's so not that old but I generally date girls in their early to late 20's.

I think the fact that you are fluent Spanish speaking and are dating age appropriate women puts you in a different category than 90% of the Americans visiting Medellin.

[Recondite]

That's really interesting, however is your Spanish fluent? Are you recognizable as a gringo tourist? Were the women about your own age? Did you meet them at a club (which I have heard is really difficult; Colombians come with their own closed friend groups) or in some other situation?

My impression is that a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa because she thinks he's hot is almost unheard of. More frequent seems to be a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa and not remembering anything until two days later.

There are plenty of chicas who want a gringo boyfriend, hope to find a mozo (be your mistress) to support them, or want an adventure / fun time (or multiple of these things). The same rules don't apply here as the US for dating especially in terms of age. This last time I was in Medellin I went on a date with a 21-year-old law student who lives in Luareles, is from a good family and who spoke fluent English. In addition to going out with me, she told me all about the 50-year-old gringo ex-boyfriend she'd recently broke up with after dating them for 8 months. The point is there are lots of local women who are interested in and open to dating foreigners for the reasons listed above including some fairly classy ones. Also remember, many enjoy going to nice spots and don't have the disposable income to make it happen every weekend on their own (so that's another reason she may say yes to going out with you). I've never found that being in country for a shorter time period (a week or two) has hurt my ability to get a date. I usually sleep with a few of the girls I go on dates with after the first date. I'm not saying all of these girls are classy or true "good girls", but they are girls that decided to sleep with me without receiving more than taxi money or possibly 50 k for a sitter, though sometimes neither of the two.

Now, I speak Spanish fluently, which helps a lot, but I look like a gringo. I'm in my 30's so not that old but I generally date girls in their early to late 20's. I don't pick up girls at clubs its mostly online for me 95% Facebook. I've hit it off with a few girls at stores, and on the street as well. I have chatted with a few girls over tinder but I take the same approach of screening their other social media, chatting extensively and dictating our plans for the date myself (I'd say this is the normal expectation with these women for a first date).

If you want to be as safe as possible I'd stick to casas during daytime hours. I'd avoid the Centro ones because you run a slight risk of getting robbed by a drug addict or you could step in a pothole and hurt yourself (I kid about the pothole especially though exactly that happened to me outside of New Life in 2020). Just sticking to pros on Facebook or the online pages doesn't guarantee your safety. I've heard stories of pros that scam, steal, and drug. Personal recommendations can help, though I can think of one girl I thought was chill and have been with that I heard had robbed another guy who let his guard down with her. Colombia is not the safest spot in the world and its not a beginner destination either. You need some street smarts and language skills will also help you a lot. My advice is to make plans to mitigate risks, don't be too trusting too quickly, trust your own instincts, and don't worry about bailing if something seems off.

[HarryDubois]

Oh my giddy aunt. Harry, can I be your agent? I will manage your financial affairs while your in Colombia. How does that sound?

If you can deliver that sweet sweet Latina pussy, you've got a deal. I'm sending my credit card info.

No but seriously is a million pesos a day too much or too little for a girl like this? Obviously assuming that the photo is accurate. Two hundred bucks sounds dirt cheap to me however I understand that Medellin prices are relatively low.

[HarryDubois]

Police reports and stats are one thing, hospital stats are another. If you can find it there was a good article a couple or three years ago on drug poisonings with scopolamine, and the numbers were in the 10's of thousands. Up to 100,000 for the country. I will try to find that and dig it out.

Maybe you mean this?

Unofficial estimates put the number of annual scopolamine incidents in Colombia at approximately 50,000.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130315...aspx?cid=12118

Also, I just joined a private facebook group called Colombia Scopolamine Victims and Alerts. I am attaching a couple of screen shots. Apparently the perpetrators are non-pros, at least generally.

[JustTK]

Police reports and stats are one thing, hospital stats are another. If you can find it there was a good article a couple or three years ago on drug poisonings with scopolamine, and the numbers were in the 10's of thousands. Up to 100,000 for the country.

Right. But the stats he reported were not even instances of scop, they were robberies. Of ocurse, the vast, vast majority of crimes go unreported, espec in countries where the polcie are corrupt or incompetent, or both, like in Colombia and the USA.

[JustTK]

I am attaching a photo. She is 19. Is a million pesos per day too much?

Oh my giddy aunt. Harry, can I be your agent? I will manage your financial affairs while your in Colombia. How does that sound?

[Jay0940]

I have thought about that. It's certainly possible that I'll hand my seeking girl a million pesos and two minutes later she get's a phone call, her dog was just hit by a car, it's an emergency and she's gone. First of all, if she does that then she's just thrown away the remaining 6 million, so why would she do that, but who knows, it's possible. In that case I just lost a million (that's $210 US) which will not destroy my vacation and I will just open the old laptop, hunt around a little and head off to one of the better brothels, strip clubs etc. I'm in a location with thousands of other options.

So plan A is a mini-relationship. Plan be is the brothels.

The only thing which I am a little uncertain about are the exact prices in Medellin. I am attaching a photo. She is 19. Is a million pesos per day too much? Will it sound suspicious? I'll also spend a few dollars on her for her meals or if we go out to a club however that might be another $30 a day. In a lot of places you would need to pay several hundred dollars or more per hour for this girl. A million sounds low to me. So I am wondering if anyone has an opinion.

Just wanted to chime in. I agree with the earlier poster that your plan is unlikely to succeed. Medellin (as has been noted here countless times) is not like Lisbon or most of Europe. These chicas are truly go with the flow and few plan out what they're doing more than a day in advance. If she's having a good time with you, she'll stay and you'll be golden. If not, the excuses (sick friend, sick mom) will come. My advice is to just play it by ear day to day.

I was just there mid-January and had the same chica over every night for a week (I was working during the day). Excellent service, total GFE. 300 mil for toda la noche (8 pm - 10 am) every night. Then she crashed at my place (with her friends) for the weekend and it was 300 mil for the weekend (food costs made up for it). So yes, I would say 1 million pesos per day is an overpay. But it's your $$$ so if that's what you want to do. Go for it and have fun.

[Zeos1]

My perception is that being drugged and robbed in Medellin is possible, it's statistically very unlikely and if something is too good to be true (free sex on the first date with a hot young Paisa) then it isn't true. Walk away.

Police reports and stats are one thing, hospital stats are another. If you can find it there was a good article a couple or three years ago on drug poisonings with scopolamine, and the numbers were in the 10's of thousands. Up to 100,000 for the country. I will try to find that and dig it out.

The problem is that for guys seeing prostitutes, and then getting drugged, only a very small number would ever be reported to police. Guys I know that have been scoped in 100% of the cases did NOT report it. They survived, they lost some stuff, and they didn't want the world to know what happened.

So my perception is that if you are careless and see working chicas in Medellin or Bogota, you have a very high chance of it happening. Of course in most cases it would be in your own apartment, etc. So by following the great suggestions of folks like Jb and others on this board you can reduce that risk to negligible, but without taking some care you are a target.

[Turgid]

I've had sex with a few nonpros on the first date in Medellin......

It should probably read: "If you are looks challenged and offered sex on the first date, walk away".

[HarryDubois]

However, MDE is a large mongering scene, and in 1 area it might be the largest. That would be Facebook. Is there anywhere else with a Facebook scene to rival Medellin?

How do you find MDE working girls on facebook?

[HarryDubois]

I've had sex with a few nonpros on the first date in Medellin. So I'd disagree that it's rare or that there aren't Paisas out there interested in that. I'd go as far as to say that I'd have missed out on some of my best experiences taking your advice.

That's really interesting, however is your Spanish fluent? Are you recognizable as a gringo tourist? Were the women about your own age? Did you meet them at a club (which I have heard is really difficult; Colombians come with their own closed friend groups) or in some other situation?

My impression is that a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa because she thinks he's hot is almost unheard of. More frequent seems to be a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa and not remembering anything until two days later.

[HarryDubois]

Here's a common way it goes in Medellin:
Your new temp wife shows up and you give her enough to cover all her expenses for 1 month and promise 6 months more, paid each day, for another month. She realizes she forgot some things she needs, or she needs to give the money to her mother. Whatever the reason, she needs to leave, but she'll be right back.

I have thought about that. It's certainly possible that I'll hand my seeking girl a million pesos and two minutes later she get's a phone call, her dog was just hit by a car, it's an emergency and she's gone. First of all, if she does that then she's just thrown away the remaining 6 million, so why would she do that, but who knows, it's possible. In that case I just lost a million (that's $210 US) which will not destroy my vacation and I will just open the old laptop, hunt around a little and head off to one of the better brothels, strip clubs etc. I'm in a location with thousands of other options.

So plan A is a mini-relationship. Plan be is the brothels.

The only thing which I am a little uncertain about are the exact prices in Medellin. I am attaching a photo. She is 19. Is a million pesos per day too much? Will it sound suspicious? I'll also spend a few dollars on her for her meals or if we go out to a club however that might be another $30 a day. In a lot of places you would need to pay several hundred dollars or more per hour for this girl. A million sounds low to me. So I am wondering if anyone has an opinion.

[TjBrazil]

There is no reason why you should be robbed of 7000 dollars because you shouldn't bring that much cash to a third world country in the first place. It's an idiot rookie move. The biggest change I made is getting a Schwab debit card. There is no reason anymore to bring a bunch of cash and convert at a cambio. Just take out the minimum you need for that night from an ATM and Schwab will reimburse you the fees. Back in the day Schwab denied my checking account because my credit sucked. Once they changed their policy a few years ago, and stopped using credit scores for checking, I was able to get approved. Now I never bring a lot of cash.

Today, I have a Schwab and SoFi checking account. Neither charges international fees or cash withdrawal fees. You don't get reimbursed at sofi for ATM convenience fees but everything else is free. Always have 2 checking accounts. You need 2 for backup in case one gets declined because of their BS fraud alerts because you swiped at McDonald's twice in a row which actually happened to me. 2 k in each account and you're gold. If someone scopes you or breaks in they ain't getting much because you shouldn't have much. My last trip I brought a whole 300.00 in cash. That's it.

[Recondite]

My perception is that being drugged and robbed in Medellin is possible, it's statistically very unlikely and if something is too good to be true (free sex on the first date with a hot young Paisa) then it isn't true. Walk away.

I've had sex with a few nonpros on the first date in Medellin. So I'd disagree that it's rare or that there aren't Paisas out there interested in that. I'd go as far as to say that I'd have missed out on some of my best experiences taking your advice.

Any situation meeting a stranger is not going to be 100% safe but you can mitigate the risk. I like to meet women with a robust social media presence and who seem super open and willing to talk about their lives and backgrounds extensively before we meet. I'm also going to be mindful of where we are meeting (I chose), order transportation myself and keep an eye on drinks etc. If the girl gives me a good vibe, seems to trust me and let me take the lead, and seems like she has nothing to hide during a date I'll consider inviting her to my apartment.

[JjBee62]

I found an article in Spanish about drugging and robbing. These are some excerpts with the translation courtesy of Google Translate.

602 people affected by thefts in Medellin, between 2016 and 2018, at the hands of criminals who submitted their will by supplying them with drugs.

Most of the crimes are concentrated in the Center, El Poblado and Laureles, as well as in a commercial sector of Itag.

According to the investigation of the Prosecutor's Office, bars, taverns and discos are the places where the most contacts are established between the perpetrator and his victim, with 228 cases in the last two years; Taxis follow (45); social networks (17); and the house of the affected person (14), who is generally a single woman or an old man, where criminals enter asking for a borrowed bathroom or a glass of water.

An important part of those affected are homosexuals, especially in the circuit of the Center of Medellin. Alejandro Gamboa, an activist for human rights and the Lgbti community, believes that "for cultural reasons, the places where same-sex people socialize the most are still partying places, and that makes them more vulnerable to this crime."

The complaints received by the Medellin Prosecutor's Office indicate that in 168 cases the aggressors were men, while 97 were perpetrated by women. Regarding the victims, men bear the worst part, with 358 complaints filed, while women filed 88 (period January 2017-April 2018).

The Secretary of Security of Medellin, Andrs Tobn highlights the importance of self-care: "in places of partying and liquor consumption, it is preferable to be accompanied by trusted people, so that the state of alcoholism does not make us vulnerable. We must bear in mind that on the street not everyone who treats us well is a friend."

https://m.elcolombiano.com/antioquia...mba-FA10322667

Women in Medellin are seldom if ever interested in casual sex with a tourist unless he is paying her. *.

https://medellinvip.net/how-to-pick-...-party-groups/

The few first hand accounts of victims which I have found online have all been foreign men meeting non-pros who were consenting to have sex for free on the first meeting.

This guy got robbed of $7,000 although he was allegedly very careful with his drink.

https://youtu.be/6x7u6JSXv_w

My perception is that being drugged and robbed in Medellin is possible, it's statistically very unlikely and if something is too good to be true (free sex on the first date with a hot young Paisa) then it isn't true. Walk away.

Statistics become a lot less important when you become one.

People lie, embellish and bend the facts to put themselves in the best light. Chances are you've done it plenty of times. The more embarrassing the situation, or the greater the consequences, the more likely they are to bend the truth.

What you should be taking from that stuff is:

1. People get drugged and robbed.

2. People get drugged and robbed by people who have access to their drink.

3. A person who can afford international travel to get laid makes a good target.