Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

Agreed. Almost identical to my normal formula. Drinks and / or dinner, more drinks, shisha, back to the spot.

In my current experiment, I was looking for someone to link up with during the day, so my normal flow was quite interrupted and coffee dates and brunches become drinks / dinner daytime equivalent. I much prefer the relaxed environment of a hookah lounge or chill bar and the ambiance that the night time brings with it. Surprisingly, there are quite a few responses for daytime availability, but my effort has severely decreased in regards to the daytime experiment. On the flip side, my focus is totally renewed with new prospects in Lisbon and Madrid (1st time in Portugal). Put out some feelers and already the responses have been quite favorable. Love the rollercoaster..

Totally agree, but in Mexico, lunch dates are fine. 9 out 10 times the girl are planning on having sex, if there is any chemistry at all. In America lunch dates are big waste of time, normally. Not to mention my phone is blowing up from work. In the evening I can turn the phone off and relax.

[Turgid]

Have any of you guys ever met downright 100% pros on Seeking?

[LshRoomer]

I'the def avoid the coffee dates. My experience is it doesn't work well maybe it did for some guys or in the past but not for me. Allows a girl to get in her head. How much does she like you. Is it really worth it. You know his fingernails were a little dirty. Whatever. Rather with dinner and drinks you are both a little drunk. Laughing and having fun and it naturally flows to the bedroom. Neither one is considering the nuances of the relationship or the state of their fingernails. Dinner. Drinks. Bedroom. That's the formula IMO.

Agreed. Almost identical to my normal formula. Drinks and / or dinner, more drinks, shisha, back to the spot.

In my current experiment, I was looking for someone to link up with during the day, so my normal flow was quite interrupted and coffee dates and brunches become drinks / dinner daytime equivalent. I much prefer the relaxed environment of a hookah lounge or chill bar and the ambiance that the night time brings with it. Surprisingly, there are quite a few responses for daytime availability, but my effort has severely decreased in regards to the daytime experiment. On the flip side, my focus is totally renewed with new prospects in Lisbon and Madrid (1st time in Portugal). Put out some feelers and already the responses have been quite favorable. Love the rollercoaster.

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[Steve 9696]

This was an experience unlike any that I've had with SA and it's wasn't too surprising. There were definitely red flags that I probably ignored for the sake of exploration, thinking that maybe we could strike up a deal and it would be a new mountain to climb in my SB experience pool. LOL. Yeah. Failed experiment. 29 is the oldest that I've ever dealt with, with the average range being 20-24. Already adjusted my age filter in SA. Hahaha. The older girls are a bit more work and I'm not willing to output more effort just because. Note to self: experiment unsuccessful, continue to use what works.

The positive part of SA far outweighs the negative, so for me, it's lessons learned and time to prep for Spain / Portugal. Super excited to check out Lisbon, never been, but the SA scene already looks similar to Spain. Fingers crossed.

I still have some conversations going, so we'll see if any yield fruit. I had a coffee date with Francesca last week and she kinda went silent for a few days. I assumed she didn't feel the right vibe in person, but then she start writing more conversation worthy texts starting yesterday and this morning. Gymnast and definitely bangable, but a bit quirky. We'll see what happens.

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I'the def avoid the coffee dates. My experience is it doesn't work well — maybe it did for some guys or in the past but not for me. Allows a girl to get in her head. How much does she like you. Is it really worth it. You know his fingernails were a little dirty. Whatever. Rather with dinner and drinks you are both a little drunk. Laughing and having fun and it naturally flows to the bedroom. Neither one is considering the nuances of the relationship or the state of their fingernails. Dinner. Drinks. Bedroom. That's the formula IMO.

[Steve 9696]

Your new nickname is the, "Coach" Thanks for all the great reports and advice. I am back in MTY for another wild weekend. The trip is off to a great start, minus all the rain.

Thanks. The guy I am coaching put me in his phone as "pussy slayer". Haha. I'll answer to either one. 😂.

[Midwestern]

Quite often, an SB will take a picture of us together, especially when we are dressed up or out on the town having a fun time. You guys think there's any downsides to her having a picture of us together? Some of the pictures give away that we are cozy together. Keep in mind that I try to stay anonymous as much as possible. Thanks for your thoughts.

[LshRoomer]

Sorry to hear man. Yeah US is a lot of work. No doubt they are out there if you are willing to put in the work but not easy. Just wanted to message because you talked about Spain and Portugal. I just returned from there and OMG both places are an SA paradise! Haven't had a chance to report yet but think under 23, genuine, hot and willing. So much fun and true essence of what SA is. I got a tad too lucky with no gifts exchanged with a couple of them. Will report soon hopefully. Enjoy there. I can't wait to go back.

This was an experience unlike any that I've had with SA and it's wasn't too surprising. There were definitely red flags that I probably ignored for the sake of exploration, thinking that maybe we could strike up a deal and it would be a new mountain to climb in my SB experience pool. LOL. Yeah. Failed experiment. 29 is the oldest that I've ever dealt with, with the average range being 20-24. Already adjusted my age filter in SA. Hahaha. The older girls are a bit more work and I'm not willing to output more effort just because. Note to self: experiment unsuccessful, continue to use what works.

The positive part of SA far outweighs the negative, so for me, it's lessons learned and time to prep for Spain / Portugal. Super excited to check out Lisbon, never been, but the SA scene already looks similar to Spain. Fingers crossed.

I still have some conversations going, so we'll see if any yield fruit. I had a coffee date with Francesca last week and she kinda went silent for a few days. I assumed she didn't feel the right vibe in person, but then she start writing more conversation worthy texts starting yesterday and this morning. Gymnast and definitely bangable, but a bit quirky. We'll see what happens.

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[Chola]

Home runs definitely do exist. I'm in talks with a few girls now that seem promising. This morning, I headed out to see the 29 year old single mom knowing that the story I was going to write tonight was going to be awesome and intriguing. LOL. I was wrong.
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Sorry to hear man. Yeah US is a lot of work. No doubt they are out there if you are willing to put in the work but not easy. Just wanted to message because you talked about Spain and Portugal. I just returned from there and OMG both places are an SA paradise! Haven't had a chance to report yet but think under 23, genuine, hot and willing. So much fun and true essence of what SA is. I got a tad too lucky with no gifts exchanged with a couple of them. Will report soon hopefully. Enjoy there. I can't wait to go back.

[DramaFree11]

So I stay in touch w another ISG member who had good luck w SA in Mexico. I've been coaching up his US game and by god with a lot of persistence he hit pay dirt in a major western US city. Scored a 19 year old who WANTED to go bareback (not negotiated ahead) and took a full load of CIM and swallow. I've seen her pics and she's legit hot and naughty. And only 400 beans. It CAN be done. With game and persistence. Good luck out there!

Your new nickname is the, "Coach" Thanks for all the great reports and advice. I am back in MTY for another wild weekend. The trip is off to a great start, minus all the rain.

[AmericanPi]

That's a crazy story.

I think you were more generous overlooking more massive waving red flags than many would be. That just sounded like she was a tired prostitute meeting her next back alley John. It sounded trashy as F.

I imagine you took a shower when you got home.

Home runs definitely do exist. I'm in talks with a few girls now that seem promising. This morning, I headed out to see the 29 year old single mom knowing that the story I was going to write tonight was going to be awesome and intriguing. LOL. I was wrong.

After buying some coffee for us, I pulled up to her house and saw a Pest control truck there. This was strange because she has complained multiple times that she doesn't have a car and has to use Uber as her main mode of transport. Already the Spidy senses were tingling. I drove around the block looking for somewhere to park so I could walk to her house instead of parking in her driveway. No luck. The neighborhood was residential and there were no guest parking spots. After pulling into her driveway and arming myself (you never know what you will encounter), I approached and knocked on the door.

There is a preconceived notion that must be mentioned here. After everything she told me, I was absolutely under the impression that she probably lived alone (with her 3 kids) and her place was that of a single mom that doesn't have a high earning salary. Ok, now you know what was deep in my head as I approached the front door. After ringing the bell, she answered and let me in. We all have varying degrees of experience with price tag women (SBs, escorts, etc) and that usually serves as a guide for the first moments of a new encounter. Here are some things that I noticed within the first 30 seconds of meeting / greeting.

1. She didn't smile; Her hair was just like the pictures. She was the attractive girl in the pictures a long time ago. She had become something else once the smoking, possibly drugs, and bad lifestyle habits caught up to her.

2. Bad teeth. Her grill was bad with brown teeth. I wouldn't even let her give me a BJ. No way.

3. Her house was nice. Like very nice, with a pool in the back, etc. Way too nice for a struggling mom of three.

4. An obvious gut. I'm not being picky, but her pics showed no resemblance of a gut or anything close. She is thin, with a weird gut. Wasn't into it. Damnit, I'm in my forties with a six pack, I can expect my SB to not have a belly. This was one of those bellies that I couldn't just overlook.

5. She didn't give me a hug or anything warm. It's amazing how so much happens in the first 30 seconds of meeting.

6. She took me right to her room. I had visions of chilling on the couch, talking, building up, kinda regular SB stuff. No.

So, as I'm standing in her room, she started to take the pillows off the bed while we were chatting. She seemed really tired (it was about 11 am) and I couldn't get over how brown her teeth were and how bad they looked. She was definitely the girl in the pics, but a more degraded, beat up version. She told me that she lives with other people, so I said, "oh, you have roommates?" She responded that no they own the house and she has her room and her kids have another room. They have a deal that any company has to go right to her room and not chill in the main area. That was enough for me. I left and said F it. I'll be in Spain and Portugal in 3 weeks. I'm just going to chill til then. I may give another local a try, but my gosh if they are anything like this, it's truly not worth my time.

Oh. I had a fallback in case things didn't work out. I hit up the fallback. That was a bust too. She said that she wanted a deposit for the 400 for taking time out of her day. We all make more money than these girls. If we put an hourly number to our income, it is leagues above theirs in 97% of the cases. It kills me when they talk about how precious their time is, without recognizing they are talking to execs and professionals that have heavy demands on their time and that we are carving time out for them. Some girls get that, like my SB in london, my sb in Spain, my sb in Prague. WTF is wrong with these american girls (obviously not all, I've had wins in the US)?

Be safe out there.

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[Akibono]

So, as I'm standing in her room, she started to take the pillows off the bed while we were chatting. She seemed really tired (it was about 11 am) and I couldn't get over how brown her teeth were and how bad they looked. She was definitely the girl in the pics, but a more degraded, beat up version. She told me that she lives with other people, so I said, "oh, you have roommates?" She responded that no they own the house and she has her room and her kids have another room. They have a deal that any company has to go right to her room and not chill in the main area. That was enough for me. I left and said F it. I'll be in Spain and Portugal in 3 weeks. I'm just going to chill til then. I may give another local a try, but my gosh if they are anything like this, it's truly not worth my time.

Oh. I had a fallback in case things didn't work out. I hit up the fallbac
k. That was a bust too. She said that she wanted a deposit for the 400 for taking time out of her day. We all make more money than these girls. If we put an hourly number to our income, it is leagues above theirs in 97% of the cases. It kills me when they talk about how precious their time is, without recognizing they are talking to execs and professionals that have heavy demands on their time and that we are carving time out for them. Some girls get that, like my SB in london, my sb in Spain, my sb in Prague. WTF is wrong with these american girls (obviously not all, I've had wins in the US)?
Be safe out there.

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First, there are a lot of flakes here in the US. That is why a girl asks to be paid for her time. I would not pay since they can be scamming you. Second, lots of drug usage and bad circumstances here. In the EU the social safety net means that decent people will never live like the poor in the US. We are really a shit hole country except for those who are rich.

[Steve 9696]

Home runs definitely do exist. I'm in talks with a few girls now that seem promising. This morning, I headed out to see the 29 year old single mom knowing that the story I was going to write tonight was going to be awesome and intriguing. LOL. I was wrong.

After buying some coffee for us, I pulled up to her house and saw a Pest control truck there. This was strange because she has complained multiple times that she doesn't have a car and has to use Uber as her main mode of transport. Already the Spidy senses were tingling. I drove around the block looking for somewhere to park so I could walk to her house instead of parking in her driveway. No luck. The neighborhood was residential and there were no guest parking spots. After pulling into her driveway and arming myself (you never know what you will encounter), I approached and knocked on the door.

There is a preconceived notion that must be mentioned here. After everything she told me, I was absolutely under the impression that she probably lived alone (with her 3 kids) and her place was that of a single mom that doesn't have a high earning salary. Ok, now you know what was deep in my head as I approached the front door. After ringing the bell, she answered and let me in. We all have varying degrees of experience with price tag women (SBs, escorts, etc) and that usually serves as a guide for the first moments of a new encounter. Here are some things that I noticed within the first 30 seconds of meeting / greeting.

1. She didn't smile; Her hair was just like the pictures. She was the attractive girl in the pictures a long time ago. She had become something else once the smoking, possibly drugs, and bad lifestyle habits caught up to her.

2. Bad teeth. Her grill was bad with brown teeth. I wouldn't even let her give me a BJ. No way.

3. Her house was nice. Like very nice, with a pool in the back, etc. Way too nice for a struggling mom of three.

4. An obvious gut. I'm not being picky, but her pics showed no resemblance of a gut or anything close. She is thin, with a weird gut. Wasn't into it. Damnit, I'm in my forties with a six pack, I can expect my SB to not have a belly. This was one of those bellies that I couldn't just overlook.

5. She didn't give me a hug or anything warm. It's amazing how so much happens in the first 30 seconds of meeting.

6. She took me right to her room. I had visions of chilling on the couch, talking, building up, kinda regular SB stuff. No.

So, as I'm standing in her room, she started to take the pillows off the bed while we were chatting. She seemed really tired (it was about 11 am) and I couldn't get over how brown her teeth were and how bad they looked. She was definitely the girl in the pics, but a more degraded, beat up version. She told me that she lives with other people, so I said, "oh, you have roommates?" She responded that no they own the house and she has her room and her kids have another room. They have a deal that any company has to go right to her room and not chill in the main area. That was enough for me. I left and said F it. I'll be in Spain and Portugal in 3 weeks. I'm just going to chill til then. I may give another local a try, but my gosh if they are anything like this, it's truly not worth my time.

Oh. I had a fallback in case things didn't work out. I hit up the fallback. That was a bust too. She said that she wanted a deposit for the 400 for taking time out of her day. We all make more money than these girls. If we put an hourly number to our income, it is leagues above theirs in 97% of the cases. It kills me when they talk about how precious their time is, without recognizing they are talking to execs and professionals that have heavy demands on their time and that we are carving time out for them. Some girls get that, like my SB in london, my sb in Spain, my sb in Prague. WTF is wrong with these american girls (obviously not all, I've had wins in the US)?

Be safe out there.

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Ouch but surely your not too surprised. I didn't want to pipe up and burst your bubble before the date but late 20's mom (in the US) is a nonstarter for me. When she invited you to her house you had to know things are off somehow. No quality girl is going to invite a stranger to where her kids stay. I stick to 21-24 in the US with no kids (that I know about). Any time I violate the rule I pay the price. Best bet 22-24 with nose ring and tatts. 😋. Ps I acknowledge ur experience was waaaay worse than even I expected. Yikes. I feel ur pain!

[LshRoomer]

Home runs definitely do exist. I'm in talks with a few girls now that seem promising. This morning, I headed out to see the 29 year old single mom knowing that the story I was going to write tonight was going to be awesome and intriguing. LOL. I was wrong.

After buying some coffee for us, I pulled up to her house and saw a Pest control truck there. This was strange because she has complained multiple times that she doesn't have a car and has to use Uber as her main mode of transport. Already the Spidy senses were tingling. I drove around the block looking for somewhere to park so I could walk to her house instead of parking in her driveway. No luck. The neighborhood was residential and there were no guest parking spots. After pulling into her driveway and arming myself (you never know what you will encounter), I approached and knocked on the door.

There is a preconceived notion that must be mentioned here. After everything she told me, I was absolutely under the impression that she probably lived alone (with her 3 kids) and her place was that of a single mom that doesn't have a high earning salary. Ok, now you know what was deep in my head as I approached the front door. After ringing the bell, she answered and let me in. We all have varying degrees of experience with price tag women (SBs, escorts, etc) and that usually serves as a guide for the first moments of a new encounter. Here are some things that I noticed within the first 30 seconds of meeting / greeting.

1. She didn't smile; Her hair was just like the pictures. She was the attractive girl in the pictures a long time ago. She had become something else once the smoking, possibly drugs, and bad lifestyle habits caught up to her.

2. Bad teeth. Her grill was bad with brown teeth. I wouldn't even let her give me a BJ. No way.

3. Her house was nice. Like very nice, with a pool in the back, etc. Way too nice for a struggling mom of three.

4. An obvious gut. I'm not being picky, but her pics showed no resemblance of a gut or anything close. She is thin, with a weird gut. Wasn't into it. Damnit, I'm in my forties with a six pack, I can expect my SB to not have a belly. This was one of those bellies that I couldn't just overlook.

5. She didn't give me a hug or anything warm. It's amazing how so much happens in the first 30 seconds of meeting.

6. She took me right to her room. I had visions of chilling on the couch, talking, building up, kinda regular SB stuff. No.

So, as I'm standing in her room, she started to take the pillows off the bed while we were chatting. She seemed really tired (it was about 11 am) and I couldn't get over how brown her teeth were and how bad they looked. She was definitely the girl in the pics, but a more degraded, beat up version. She told me that she lives with other people, so I said, "oh, you have roommates?" She responded that no they own the house and she has her room and her kids have another room. They have a deal that any company has to go right to her room and not chill in the main area. That was enough for me. I left and said F it. I'll be in Spain and Portugal in 3 weeks. I'm just going to chill til then. I may give another local a try, but my gosh if they are anything like this, it's truly not worth my time.

Oh. I had a fallback in case things didn't work out. I hit up the fallback. That was a bust too. She said that she wanted a deposit for the 400 for taking time out of her day. We all make more money than these girls. If we put an hourly number to our income, it is leagues above theirs in 97% of the cases. It kills me when they talk about how precious their time is, without recognizing they are talking to execs and professionals that have heavy demands on their time and that we are carving time out for them. Some girls get that, like my SB in london, my sb in Spain, my sb in Prague. WTF is wrong with these american girls (obviously not all, I've had wins in the US)?

Be safe out there.

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[Steve 9696]

I am tired of US as well. Have a trip coming up to SF. Will give it a shot.

But already planning my trip to Europe in summer. Trying to identify stories to tell at home for solo EU trip Europe rocks.

So I stay in touch w another ISG member who had good luck w SA in Mexico. I've been coaching up his US game and by god with a lot of persistence he hit pay dirt in a major western US city. Scored a 19 year old who WANTED to go bareback (not negotiated ahead) and took a full load of CIM and swallow. I've seen her pics and she's legit hot and naughty. And only 400 beans. It CAN be done. With game and persistence. Good luck out there!

[Gfefan]

I am tired of US as well. Have a trip coming up to SF. Will give it a shot.

But already planning my trip to Europe in summer. Trying to identify stories to tell at home for solo EU trip Europe rocks.

Europe is my preference when it comes to SA, but once in a while a domestic US trip comes up. In the most recent case, I hit SA, renewed my sub, and went to work. The whole process just felt like I had to put in a bit more work, in comparison to EU SBs.

Whatever the case, after my trip, my membership was still active. Orlando completely failed and maintained its reputation in my head as one of the worst places to monger, I usually don't engage on my own turf, but figured I would see if I could find a cute spinner that I could call when the mood strikes. Wasn't looking for my "normal SB" where we go out to party, drink, smoke shisha and explore the city. Instead I pretty much wanted a local flexible girl, that wasn't a pro, but that I could have "escort level" access to. Hahaha.

Stumbled across a slim chick, 29, with a pretty face, and tits that I can't wait to see. Haha. Our coffee date fell though, so we agreed to have another coffee date at her place, but I have to bring pastries. LOL She's a single mom and I'm curious to see how things are going to pan out. Good, bad, or indifferent, you have to report on the mission. Haha.

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