American Politics

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Not a word of that was supposed to be funny. It doesn't take $877 billion a year to protect our borders. That's what the USA spends on the military annually. I don't believe the $877 billion includes much if any of the $75 billion the US has spent on Ukraine. And it certainly doesn't include the additional $60 billion for Ukraine that Congress will probably soon authorize. Or the $14.5 billion we'll be sending to Israel.

And no, the bastards shouldn't be spending our hard earned money prosecuting victimless crimes like the "high end brothel network" either.

OK, I really don't know. If the Republicans nominate anyone besides Trump and Biden's the Democratic nominee, I believe the Republican wins. And if Trump runs against any Democrat except Biden, I think the Democrat wins. Neither of the two old men are popular. ".

Isn't everyone around here AARP eligible? At least us American Patriots are.

I hate everything about Dirty Joe, except his age.

I have no issue with his age.

I rather have a smart old guy that's been around the block a few thousand times (and no I'm not implying that applies to Dirty Joe).

As opposed to a younger dum ass unemployable "community organizer" from the ghetto in Chicago.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/u...ntial-bid.html

Jill.

RFK Jr.

Cornell West.

Rep Phillips.

Will Sen Joe Manchin jump in also?

[EihTooms]

EihTooms, now your scaring me!

Your parody and impression of a "Chicken Little" Republican ("...ahh the sky is falling!"), was just too scary good. For a split second there, I almost, mistook you for a Republican! (blasphemy, I know...kkkk!).

But in all honesty, you'd think by now, Repubs would have figured out, Americans don't want, gov't in their bedrooms. Or telling parents what to do with their own children. These "culture wars", "bedroom" and "parental rights" issues are very much proving to be a non-starter, for Repubs.

Notice how Gov. Ron de Santis, has toned-down his "woke" rhetoric, to an imperceptible low. Or how Gov. Youngkin, lost both Houses in Virginia, because he decided to rule on women 'bodily autonomy', "...telling women a 15-week abortion ban was reasonable!". And his NEXT trick, was to sell it too the rest of country, in a bid to enter the Republican Primary for the US Presidency. This political maneuver (or manure), I think should be called the "Youngkin belly flop".

Also note, Repub candidate for Kentucky Governor, Daniel Cameron, was Moscow Mitch's, groomed man-boy for the governorship. Could Moscow Mitch, be losing his touch on Kentucky? Is this yet another sign, that "moderate" Repubs are a dying breed?

As we enter the last 12 months before the next presidential election, bare in mind this is the time Repub candidates typically "tone-down" the sucker social issue stance they had been taking in order to get that dumb hillbilly entitlement checks money donations to see how big of a war chest they can bamboozle out of their sucker base for the run.

From here on most of the Repub candidates who have a shot at the presidency and Congress will start sounding for all the world like they could be mistaken for a reasonable Dem. Which is precisely the mistake they need the American electorate to make come election time given their Party's historic horrific economic and national security results.

And the recent election results, in fact virtually every election result since 2016 (absent the Repub-rigged Electoral College appointment of Trump) has been a wake up call for why they need to pretend to be an Earthling, a Democratic Earthling at that, before the next presidential election.

But never forget they are only pretending in order to muddy the waters about the consistently stark contrast in actual results for Dems vs Repubs after Repubs get elected and begin their inevitable and determined March to the next Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction and whatever other "Once in 100 Years" Disaster they can facilitate and produce.

[Spidy]

But but but Bidenomics is a disaster! Nobody can afford to buy anything! There are no jobs! The Unemployment Rate is skyrocketing! Our Armed Forces are waging war in Ukraine and Gaza! The caravans are coming to take the last 2 remaining jobs and murder us in our beds!

How can the Repub mission to outlaw Sex For Pleasure, Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Sex Outside of Marriage and Access to Contraceptives "trump" the living Hell Biden and the Dems have plunged America into after Trump and his classic Repub economic policy and stewardship handed them such typically wonderful Repub economic policy and stewardship results just 2 years and 9 months ago along with nothing but more classic Repub assistance and co-operation in improving the economy and the lives of Americans ever since?

Lolol.

EihTooms, now your scaring me!

Your parody and impression of a "Chicken Little" Republican ("...ahh the sky is falling!"), was just too scary good. For a split second there, I almost, mistook you for a Republican! (blasphemy, I know...kkkk!).

But in all honesty, you'd think by now, Repubs would have figured out, Americans don't want, gov't in their bedrooms. Or telling parents what to do with their own children. These "culture wars", "bedroom" and "parental rights" issues are very much proving to be a non-starter, for Repubs.

Notice how Gov. Ron de Santis, has toned-down his "woke" rhetoric, to an imperceptible low. Or how Gov. Youngkin, lost both Houses in Virginia, because he decided to rule on women 'bodily autonomy', "...telling women a 15-week abortion ban was reasonable!". And his NEXT trick, was to sell it too the rest of country, in a bid to enter the Republican Primary for the US Presidency. This political maneuver (or manure), I think should be called the "Youngkin belly flop".

Also note, Repub candidate for Kentucky Governor, Daniel Cameron, was Moscow Mitch's, groomed man-boy for the governorship. Could Moscow Mitch, be losing his touch on Kentucky? Is this yet another sign, that "moderate" Repubs are a dying breed?

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Not a word of that was supposed to be funny. It doesn't take $877 billion a year to protect our borders. That's what the USA spends on the military annually. I don't believe the $877 billion includes much if any of the $75 billion the US has spent on Ukraine. And it certainly doesn't include the additional $60 billion for Ukraine that Congress will probably soon authorize. Or the $14.5 billion we'll be sending to Israel.

And no, the bastards shouldn't be spending our hard earned money prosecuting victimless crimes like the "high end brothel network" either.

OK, I really don't know. If the Republicans nominate anyone besides Trump and Biden's the Democratic nominee, I believe the Republican wins. And if Trump runs against any Democrat except Biden, I think the Democrat wins. Neither of the two old men are popular. ".

https://www.wcvb.com/article/federal...llars/45790565

[Spidy]

De Sade.

I'm liking you again. Don't let me down with crackpot ideas again, unless there is credible evidence. ...

Yeah, I like the wishful thinking, but don't get your hopes UP!

Methinks, you'd have better luck at qualifying for as a Member of Congress, in SubCmdr's "new rules" for holding federal office! (...kkkk!).

[Spidy]

I agree with you Spidy. Abortion accounts for a lot of it. Trump being the figurehead of the Republican Party didn't help either. And this isn't a good omen for Republican's chances in 2024.

Let hope Dems, run their campaigns accordingly and use Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia (an other 2023 primaries), as blueprints and go "all-in", on the policies that the majority of Americas care about.

At the same time, put Repubs on blast, for their "culture war", "woke" and non-starter issues.

[SubCmdr]

Given the the government needs so much financial help, maybe the Presidency of the United States of America should be restricted those with net worth of at least a billion USD.

Members of Congress should have a net worth of at least 100 million USD.

If you have been in the United States of America and managed to accumulate that kind of wealth, you should be willing to give back a few years to serve "your fellow Americans". If asked, I will serve. But with my current net worth I do not qualify under my new suggested restrictions.

[EihTooms]

Anybody remember the famous last words from Dwight David Eisenhower?

Sure. They reportedly were:

"I want to go. God take me. ".

https://www.myjournalcourier.com/new...e-16927998.php#text=Dwight%20 Eisenhower%2 see%20 who%20 had%20 suffered, afternoon%20 at%20 his%20 Texas%20 ranch.

Which presumably he really meant. Contrary to that earlier bit about warning us against the "Military-Industrial Complex". LOL. Few potuses benefited more in their entire working life, political advantage and presidency from the "Military-Industrial Complex" AND deficit spending than Ike.

That was like the punchline to a long sad joke of oil industry baby GW Bush's horrific presidency when he slammed America for being "Addicted to oil".

LOL. Funny revisionist history shit those dudes try to squeeze into their legacy just before the screen door smacks them in the butt on the way out.

[Tiny 12]

Anybody remember the famous last words from Dwight David Eisenhower?

Yes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eise...rewell_address

[SubCmdr]

Anybody remember the famous last words from Dwight David Eisenhower?

I don't know if they were his last words. But here is a favorite quote from him:

Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field - Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Governing looks mighty easy when you are a keyboard warrior and you are thousand miles away from the District of Columbia. - Subcmdr.

[Beijing4987]

Anybody remember the famous last words from Dwight David Eisenhower?

[Beijing4987]

De Sade.

I'm liking you again. Don't let me down with crackpot ideas again, unless there is credible evidence. I googled the words in my title and found five infamous re-elected US felons at " Cracked.com". There are other sites listing indited US representatives. All of them were much less popular the the Lord & Savior, who has very smart words and dint get us into war, or out of war, for that matter.

[Tiny 12]

WTF did someone write a military to protect our borders?

Is that supposed to be funny, it is not.

Here are some of our fine tax dollars at work.

https://www.aol.com/news/doj-announc...182557852.html

In more ways than one.

Not a word of that was supposed to be funny. It doesn't take $877 billion a year to protect our borders. That's what the USA spends on the military annually. I don't believe the $877 billion includes much if any of the $75 billion the US has spent on Ukraine. And it certainly doesn't include the additional $60 billion for Ukraine that Congress will probably soon authorize. Or the $14.5 billion we'll be sending to Israel.

And no, the bastards shouldn't be spending our hard earned money prosecuting victimless crimes like the "high end brothel network" either.

I believe Democrats will win the presidency in 2024 LMFAO

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/u...ults-2024.html

OK, I really don't know. If the Republicans nominate anyone besides Trump and Biden's the Democratic nominee, I believe the Republican wins. And if Trump runs against any Democrat except Biden, I think the Democrat wins. Neither of the two old men are popular.

[EihTooms]

I don't think that makes sense. If they call 300 Democrats, 300 Independents, and 300 Republicans, and all 300 Republicans refuse to answer questions, then the poll will only reflect the view of Democrats and Independents. And Democrats and Independents have a more favorable view of Biden than Republicans.

Interesting thought. I thought that prior to, say, 2020, Republicans outperformed polls because they were more motivated to actually go and vote. And in 2022, that flipped. Democrats were mad as hell because Trump tried to steal an election, so they were more motivated to vote. In other words, I thought the poll results were good, and but didn't take into account who would actually go to the effort to vote. Anyway your idea might partly explain what happened in 2022, when Republicans underperformed the polls.

You could be right about this too. I'll preface by saying I don't think anyone who's rational can believe in every position espoused by the Democratic or Republican Party.

Perhaps Democrats, like members of a religious cult or Russian Communists in the 1920's or German Nazi's in the 1930's, strongly identify with their party, regardless of whether the positions of the party make sense. And Republicans, "Bothsiders" and "Neithersiders" are more inclined to answer surveys and vote in accordance with what they believe makes the most sense. That's probably being too hard on Democrats though.

I think the jury is back and the verdict is in on how certain poll responses simply do not jive with what the poll respondents really believe and will do at crunch time.

For example, since forever I have heard that most people think Repubs "handle the economy better" than Dems. Same as the polls are saying now. You know, that mythical image of Republican policy wonks cooly and unemotionally studying the data, knowing their Economics 101 text books by heart, always cutting taxes, never raising taxes, making the government smaller, getting the gub'ment off our back, pro business, therefore empowering the job creators, paying the bills on time and so on. That mythical image of them that has never existed but their loyal benefactors in Mainstream Media work so hard to fabricate and promote.

Yet, what does the American electorate do when Repub economic policy and stewardship is presiding over another serious economic downturn, businesses are closing, jobs are being wiped out by the millions, unemployment rates are skyrocketing or even just when jobs creation has been low to barely noticeable? When "better handling of the economy" is really needed and in a big hurry?

What did the real world "polls" tell us about the true feelings of the American electorate on that critical issue when fanciful wishes about a "better handling" of an economy where businesses are thriving, jobs creation is roaring along, poverty is declining, wages are improving, retail spending is up, inflation almost doesn't exist, the debt is plunging, deficits are nowhere to be found, the gub'ment is off our backs, nobody pays taxes and it doesn't cost anybody anything no longer apply? Oh, and eating pizza and chocolate cake will cause you to lose 10 pounds per week?

The election of 1932,1960, 1976,1992, 2008 and 2020 is the result of that real world "poll. ".

There is no real world polling data on what happens when outgoing Dems have left the economy in a shambles, jobs creation has been atrocious or worse and the American electorate runs to a Repub to "better handle" the economy because none of those required conditions have existed since the creation of modern polling surveys.

On the poll sampling issue, I think you will find that the highly MSM-celebrated recent poll showing Biden down by a few points vs Trump in 5 of those 6 swing states the sampling of self-identified Repubs was a few points higher than that of Dems in all but one state, Pennsylvania. That is vs what most recent polls say is virtually an even split for Dems and Repubs at about 25% each with a record number higher claiming to be Independents.

That poll sampled more than 3,000 respondents, a very high number for a poll. Why did they call so many people? Did they start out with a goal to call, say, 3,016 or whatever respondents and let the sampling chips fall where they may? I don't think so.

If they had hit their 3,016 respondents goal and it turned out all but 16 of them were self-identified Dems they would have called another 3,000 or 4,000 respondents until the sampling finally got to a less laughable balance.

They ask about political affiliation at the end of the survey. So I think they keep calling and calling until they finally get a breakdown of political affiliations that somewhat match the way other surveys and perhaps even registrations and voter rolls say the three are represented. And in that survey's methodology it looks to me like they stopped when the Repub sampling was still a few points higher than the Dem sampling by a few points in all but one state. Perhaps due to time constraints.