Pattaya Reports

[Raj Patela]

All my life I been poor. But it really doesn't matter no more. Cuz no matter what they say. SubCmdr gonna be OK.

You keep it 100 my brother. Much respect! Real recognize real.

In all aspects except for budget were are dead on point. I like Pattaya because strangely enough I have found my peace here. If I want to go hard in the paint, pull 10000 out of the ATM, roll up into Windmill 1 and have the mamasan move the cheap charlies out of my favorite seat cause me and my friend are each about to by a bottle and make it rain up in that mother fucker, I can do that. Balling on a budget for one night. The next night I can have one of my 1000ST girls come over. The next night my girl might come over and spent the night. When that happens I know I am going to get my dick sucked in the morning and blow a load of splooge into her mouth. She will still have time for a shower and a tea before she leaves for work. I ask you (not you my ISG brother because you already know what time it is) what exactly is there not to like?

Pattaya is fun. But you certainly cannot tell that from the all the negativity that gets posted up in here. LOL!.

Ballin at Windmill is Funny. Hahaha.

Sorry but your tones of posting leads one to believe you don't make it Rain 100's. 5 20's I believe.

You and your bud asking for Discount of 200 each if the TFgiro does does a double duty is Hillary ious.

[Raj Patela]

Are you curious to know what these girls plan was?

Ask Mr Explorer, he knows it all about off-hours hobbying of Pattaya working girls.

Pattaya is Booming they already had other customers lined up. Hahaha. Hahahaha. No offense.

[Jarango]

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You gave probably the best report I have seen here and it would have done justice in a professional environment. Two general questions.

1. Though you flew business class, you admit it was one of the world's longest flights. Was it worth it or should you have stated in the States or done your usual Costa Rican trip.

2. You are in your late 60's. Was it worth it? Were you able for the action?

I am roughly your age and I am getting some small health problems. Friends are popping off with worrying regularity. I ask with my own forthcoming early 2024 trip in mind.

[Raj Patela]

I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).

Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.

Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.

Reverse Engineering.

Buzzin did a vid on bacteria and the like recently of Pattaya. Since the Dr said it was an epidemic of Roman proportions what you want is Surely available.

You might have to think a bit, I kind of backhanded your Answer. Need to use a little intuitive defection.

[Belvaros]

Does anyone have a favorite Soi 6 bar? I seems to find the girls shuffle from bar to bar and most are all set up the same. Therefore, it's difficult to choose one or two favorites. However, Toy Box seems to have a constant line up of the same girls.

Sexy in the City. USA manager Rob is nice, girls are very friendly, a few glamours and pretty faces.

Toy Box. Always good on all accounts.

Exotica. Has some really great ST naughty girls.

[Belvaros]

Mods, can we add this to the reports of distinction, it is perfect.

I just recently completed a 4-week trip to Southeast Asia. My original itinerary was aggressive, and included Singapore, Ho Cho Minh City, Phnom Penh, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya and Bangkok. At the last minute I decided to scale it back and visited Singapore, HCMC, Pattaya and Bangkok. I will quote any prices in local currency unless I paid US dollars like on Agoda and Airbnb. Thai Baht was around 36 to the dollar the whole time. Singapore dollar was 1. 36 and the Vietnamese Dong was 24500. So, $100 is 36000 Thai Baht, 136 Sing dollars and 2,450,000 Vietnamese dong.

Transportation

Air

I got a good deal on a Singapore Airlines flight in Business Class by booking very early. The flight was from Newark to Singapore, a stopover in Singapore and then on to HCMC. My return was Bangkok to Newark, connecting in Singapore. I also had to book a round trip on United to get to and from Newark to connect with my Singapore flight. I really don't like to have separate tickets for flights like that as if something happens, you have to scramble to reschedule.

That EWR to SIN flight is long. Supposedly one of the longest flights in the world. Outbound it took almost 19 hours and the return over 17. The route on the outbound flight went eastward. Flying over Norway, Europe, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh. I was a bit paranoid about stray missiles. The return was over the Pacific, skirting Alaska and northern Canada. Luckily the service on the flight was excellent. Alot of decent food and plenty of drinks. I was able to catch some sleep but not enough.

I also flew on VietJet from HCMC to Bangkok. A budget airline similar to Spirit, I imagine. Spent almost an hour in the line to check in and then another hour to clear immigration. No issues with the actual flight. Next time I will probably spend a couple more $$ to fly a decent airline.

Taxi

I used Nam's taxi (namsladydrivers@gmail.com) for my trip from Bangkok Airport (BKK) to Pattaya (1200 baht) and from Pattaya to my Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7 (1500 baht). I like Nam's as they employ strictly older Thai ladies as drivers. You can find rides a few hundred baht cheaper but you never know who is driving. Some Thai taxi drivers act like they have a death wish. Nam's drive newer Toyota Camrys, a ton of room in the back seat. They drive very carefully, just at the speed limit. They are always early and ready to go. I highly recommend them.

In Singapore and Vietnam, I used Grab. Uber was pretty much non-existent. Pretty straight forward and you can charge to your credit card like you do with Uber. Only issue was that the location service for your pickup location wasn't that great at times. Short rides were incredibly inexpensive.

In Pattaya I only used Grab once to go to a bar in Jomtiem (I had never been there). The trip there was fine but the driver got lost on the way back. I have a feeling he did not read very well and could not interpret the map. The rest of the time I just used the Baht Bus. The best transportation value in the world. 10 baht gets you down to Soi 6 on Second road or up to Walking Street on Beach Road. I still haven't used the Baht Bus up and down Soi Buakhao yet.

Hotels

This trip I decided to change things up and do some Condo rentals.

Since I was only going to be in Singapore a few nights, I just rented a hotel room, the Hotel BenCoolen on Hong Kong street, very near Singapore's Chinatown. $135 a night on Agoda. Yes, Singapore is expensive. A decent hotel, OK breakfast with pretty poor Wi-Fi. I was in a building just adjacent to the main building and had my own key card to access the building and the elevator. Would have been totally guest friendly as no one would see you go up. I didn't try as I did most of my playing in Geylang.

In Vietnam I rented an Airbnb. $31.42 per night. It was located in the heart of Little Japan / Japan Town. It was a very nice unit, large bed, washer, full kitchen and pretty good internet. Only downside was that it was on the second floor (the third level) and to get upstairs you had to climb a very narrow, winding staircase. Not an issue except trying to lug my suitcase up and down those stairs.

In Pattaya I usually stay at the Areca lodge which is a great hotel right in the heart of the action. Good rooms, great pools and a very good buffet breakfast. But I tried to book a week there for this trip after I adjusted my itinerary and there were no rooms available. So, I ended up at the Honey Boutique Hotel on Soi Honey. It is right across the street from the Acqua Hotel (another very nice hotel but only had the small rooms).

The Honey Boutique was a decent and inexpensive hotel. About $23 a night including taxes. A pretty large room, balcony, good bath and shower. Breakfast was OK and it was a shared service between 3 of their hotels in a little adjacent restaurant. They advertise a pool on Agoda but you really get to use the pool at the 24/7 Boutique hotel across the street. Only real negative was that the Wi-Fi wasn't too great. I would stay again but only if nothing better, like the Areca was available.

In Pattaya I then moved to a condo in the View Talay 6 building, room 22-838. I rented this through Dancewatchers. This was a very nice unit on the 22nd floor with a great view of the bay on the Walking Street side. I had a full kitchen, washer (no dryer), large comfortable King bed and mirrors everywhere, including over the bed. A nice 5. 1 TV setup which I really didn't use. Excellent internet with a dedicated router. I opted to get the daily housekeeping and that contributed to a pretty high cost of $70 per night.

The View Talay 6 building is conveniently located on Second Road right next to the Central Festival mall. In the basement of the mall is an incredible grocery / food court where you can get almost any imported food item you might want. On the first floor of the VT6 building are a number of massage shops, convenience stores and a little restaurant that was surprisingly good. I would definitely stay here again but would cut down on the housekeeping.

In Bangkok I rented an Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7. It was a little way down the Soi so it was isolated from most bar noise and had few motos racing around. It was about a 5-minute walk to Sukhumvit and was very close to the Nana BTS station. The condo was pretty good. Full kitchen, washer / dryer combo. Nice king size bed in a separate room. There was a balcony but it was small and really no view. Just good enough to catch a quick smoke and hang some laundry. Very fast Wi-Fi and TV had access to Netflix, Prime, etc. But you had to use your own account. The only downside was that only two towels and one set of sheets was provided so you had to do without while you laundered them. I did not contract for any housekeeping services. The room was on the second floor and the elevator was always available and pretty quick. You enter the building through the garage and the security guard there pretty much just acknowledges your arrival as a keycard is necessary to entire the main building. The unit ran about $53 per night taxes and fees included.

Nightlife

Singapore

As I stated earlier, Singapore is expensive. A beer will generally run from S $15 to S $20. A pack of cigarettes is around S $15. Vaping is very illegal.

The first night I found two Indian hostess bars a short walk from my hotel. I really didn't stay long enough to figure out exactly how things worked in there but I did drink a S $15 beer. It looked like the dancers on the stage would come and sit with you if you bought them a drink. I saw a couple of customers call some girls down from the stage, chat for a minute or two and then the girls returned to the stage. I'm guessing that the lady drink costa was a bit prohibitive or they told the guys they were "drinks only" I. E. , no bar fine possible. I did splurge on another beer, watched but didn't see anyone I really wanted to talk to so I left.

Next to one of the Indian bars was another bar where you walked up a narrow staircase. It was a bit creepy but I went up anyway. When I got to the bar, I was pleasantly surprised. It was a relatively large space playing 70's, 80's rock and roll and there were a lot of cute women and very few customers. I sat down at a table and ordered a beer and was very pleased when I was told it was only S $10. As I drank the beer two pretty little things sat down at my table and we began to chat. They were Filipinas as were most of the women there. They spoke great English. They were under contract to the bar and stayed as a group in housing supplied by the bar owner. Didn't sound like the best situation. We chatted for a while and they never hit me up for a drink or asked for anything so I ordered another beer. I asked them what it would cost to buy them a drink and I almost fell over when one said S $60 each. She did day that they get S $35 of that and they have a drink quota of 7 drinks. Unfortunately for them I told them that was way out of my budget range. They didn't act surprised or get angry and continued to chat with me while a finished my beer. I didn't even ask them what a barfine would cost since a beer was S $60 and I was pretty beat from my long flight from the US. I thanked them, left and went back to my hotel and slept for 10 hours.

The next night I went to Ipanema. This bar used to be the main freelancer spot in the infamous Orchard tower, but has moved to a new location. To find it search google for the Ipanema World Music Bar. The new bar was very nice. It was a huge space with a lot of comfortable table and bar seating. A very good Filipino band was covering old rock and roll standards. They had two very hot female singers and a killer guitar player. I went pretty early, around 9:30 and it wasn't too crowded but there were still a lot of very pretty, well dressed freelancers roaming the bar area. Almost everyone I spoke with was Vietnamese. Most appeared to be in their 20's / 30's. Almost every one of them came by to talk and unlike many places like this they didn't immediately hit me up for a drink. Since they are freelancers, they don't make money hustling drinks but want you to take them back to your hotel. Most of them started out saying their fee was S $300 - S $500. I just smiled and said no thank you and then you could see them go into negotiation mode. I ended up with a gorgeous (IMO), petite 29-year-old Viet woman for S $150 for two hours. She said she would spend the night if I bought her breakfast. That was a no brainer and had a great time. I know I still overspent that night but I did want to revisit the Ipanema experience as I had been there 15 years ago when Orchard tower was known as the four floors of working girls. The new venue was a lot tamer but still a very good time.

I had done my research and found that the Geylang District is where you go to visit the legal massage parlors. While they are called massage parlors, they are really just brothels. All of the pricing is all in, there is no basic massage price and then an upsell for HJ, BJ or full service. Here everything is included for one price. There are probably 50 to 75 separate parlors and they are all basically set up the same. Each place usually has women from a single country. The only ones I encountered were Vietnamese, Thai and Chinese. Supposedly there are a few Filipino shops but I never saw one. The Chinese were usually a little more expensive. The reason I got was that a lot of the locals speak Chinese so it was easier to interact. Prices ranged from S $80 to S $120 for 40 minutes or an hour (varies by shop). Some places you won't see anything you like. No problem to just go to the next shop. They are used to it. The ones that I visited it seemed the procedure was pretty consistent. You speak to the manager (usually a guy) out front and discuss what you want. You choose the girl from a lineup or a fishbowl. You pay the full price up front. You go to the back where you a led to a shower. She will usually shower with you to be sure you are squeaky clean (mutual scrubbing allowed) and I am sure they also do an inspection of your equipment to be sure you don't have any obvious diseases. You dry off and go to a private room with a decent sized bed. She covers it with towels, you lay down and the fun begins. You can get a massage if you want but it won't be very professional. Every place I was you could do just about anything you wanted though I did not ask about anal. If you want that I would ask the guy at the front door and I am sure he would have someone to suggest. BJ was uncovered, sex was wrapped. DATY, fingering, kissing was all on the table. The session ends when your time is up, not when you finish. Afterwards shower and optionally tip the lady for a job well done. There were many cute, young women in a lot of the shops. There were also quite a few grannies. I had no problem finding someone I liked in most of the shops.

Ho Chi Minh City

As I was only here a couple of nights, I really didn't get out of the Little Japan area very much. I planned to explore the freelancer bars on Pasteur St but never got around to it. I was very disappointed that my favorite freelancer bar, Apocalypse Now, shut down during Covid and never reopened. Japan Town is expensive when compared to the rest of HCMC as it has a lot of well-heel Japanese tourists. In Japan Town, there are two types of places. The first are massage parlors. Unlike those in Singapore, these at least pretend to be about massage. These places are well lit and the women working in them were for the most part young and attractive. They were all very well dressed in similarly colored outfits. There were usually 10 to 25 women to choose from. The entry fee is 400 K dong (about $16) for a basic one-hour massage. You pay that fee and go to a private room with either a bed or a large massage table. You shower together and I swear every woman I was with thoroughly washed every nook and cranny on my body. You get on the bed and she starts a pretty underwhelming massage. After about five minutes she has you flip, crawls on top of you and asks if you want extras. HJ was 500 K dong, BJ was 1 M dong and full service was 2 M dong. I usually opted for the BJ. Again, BJ uncovered, sex covered. I found the pricing and procedures pretty consistent across all of the shops I visited.

The other type of venue was Japanese styled hostess bars. In these bars you basically buy drinks to have a very good-looking woman sit with you. They almost all speak passable English and Japanese. Apparently, this type of bar is very popular in Japan. Drinks for me were a bit pricey at 160 K dong but the lady drinks were 400 K or 500 K dong. I didn't ask about bar fines as I was getting satisfied in the massage parlors. I am sure, if available, it would be very expensive. I think that a lot of these women are "drinks only". I didn't spend too much time in these places.

One bar that was unique for Little Japan was Miss Saigon. This bar name is popular here in HCMC but this one is a little hole in the wall in Little Japan. I popped in there at 6 pm to get out of a downpour, on my way to dinner. It was the only bar I could find that opened before 8 pm.

Inside I got a beer and it was reasonably priced, around 45 K dong. There were 4 young women working in the bar, all attractive but not drop dead gorgeous. They were just working, chatting up the customers but not hustling, trying to get drinks. They played a lot of old western music and would let you pick songs for them to play off Spotify. The bar started to fill up with expats, Australian and UK folks. They seemed to be regulars as they knew the waitresses well. I saw they did buy the ladies a round of shots and I asked them how much it was. They were $160 K dong, about $6. 50. Not bad for a lady drink. I ended up buying them a round of shots myself and other customers did too. The owner came in, an attractive Viet MILF, she bought a couple of rounds. Everyone was getting hammered, especially the barmaids. They also were getting quite friendly with all of us. I'm sure a reasonable bar fine could have been negotiated but I was frankly this old guy was way too buzzed to do anything about it. I ended up leaving around midnight as I wanted to be sure I could find my way back to the apartment. I had a ton of drinks myself and bought a couple of rounds for the ladies and some drinks for a couple of the expats and probably spent around $60. I never did get dinner.

Pattaya

Pattaya is a playground. There are hundreds of bars, massage places and other venues centrally located that cater to our hobby. There were a lot more bars open than when I visited a year ago and most were staffed with a lot of women. Unfortunately (for them) there still weren't that many tourists for them to ply their trade so there was kind of a slight feeling of desperation. I visited a lot of them and there is no way to recount everything. I am just going to talk about some places that stood out. As an aside, most bars officially close at 2 am but will stay open later with the lights out if they still have customers. They exception are the nightclubs which really don't even get started until 11:30 pm or later. I seldom make it to closing time.

Walking Street

I only went down there a couple of times and that was primarily to visit one of my favorite bars in Pattaya, the Bamboo Bar. Around 10 or 10:30 Bamboo gets really crowded. The women are all freelancers and the majority are 30+ and quite a few into their 40's and 50's though I did see a few younger ones that probably are enjoying the lack of competition from other young women. They are always dressed nice and ready to party. Drinks at Bamboo are a bit pricey for Pattaya but there is no lady drink surcharge. Normal freelancer rates seemed to prevail with 1 k TO 1. 5 k be ST and 2. 5 K to 3 K be LT.

I hit a couple of Walking Street gogos and didn't stay very long. Drinks were very pricey and there was a lot of pressure to buy lady drinks. Bar fines were in the 1 K plus range and most of the women were starting negotiation at 5 K.

Hit a couple of beer bars on the main strip and the drink prices were surprisingly reasonable though when sitting you are constantly hounded by the myriad of ladyboys that hang just outside on the street.

Went into the original Windmills and it is just a raunchy as I remember it. For the price of a lady drink or two you can fondle, kiss, lick to your heart's content. I did not stop in top their new location just across the street.

Soi 6

It seemed like almost every bar location was open and fully staffed. Unfortunately, few customers but a caveat, I usually went early, just around 8 pm. The women are aggressive trying to pill you into their bar and I pity the poor Japanese dudes that walked down the street, they were literally mobbed. To me almost all of these bars are pretty much the same so if you see a woman you like, follow her in and buy her a drink. Most of the places I went were quoting 400 be for the room and 1500 be for them though a few were asking for 2 Kb and sticking to it.

Visually, one place stood out. About halfway down the street is a bar I believe is called Flirts. It looked like they had a "No Silicone" hiring policy. All of the women were petite and apparently natural. A few were simply adorable. Unfortunately, they had the balloons up that night for a party and they were jammed. The music was loud and really nowhere to sit.

LK Metro

I didn't hit any of the LK Metro gogos except for Kink. I think this place rivals Windmills on the raunchy scale and the women were a bit more attractive. Typical gogo drink and bar fine prices.

I also hit Billabongs on a couple of evenings. Live band (not too bad) every night and beers are two for one at 120 be. Manyu of the women working there are way past their sell by date but there were a few younger and attractive ones. Barfine was 300 be and typical takeaway price was 1. 5 k be.

Soi Buakhao / Soi Diana Area

Buakhao is probably my favorite Soi to just walk, sightsee and stop into a bar for a quick drink. It is also home to my favorite late-night snack, Bronx pizza. Many of the bars have live music and most of the workers can be barfined. Prices vary drastically from bar to bar but most are in the reasonable range. Some places do have some higher barfines as they are short-staffed and really don't want all of the women leaving before closing time.

A new nightclub opened on the corner of Soi Buakhao and Soi Chaiyapoon, Club Juju. This place has a live band, lots of seating and no real dance floor. Drink prices weren't outrageous for a nightclub and the server were very efficient. A lot of bar workers come here when their shift ends as well as a lot of regular freelancers. Since this is a nightclub, no lady drink surcharge and no barfine though most women wanted 2 K to 3 k be to go out. Since it doesn't start until very late you are probably going to be getting back to your room around 3 or 4 am and they will usually want to spend the night instead of getting a grab that late. So, you do generally get a little morning activity as well for the fee. One caution. Quite a few ladyboys frequent this place and they are usually dressed to kill and look pretty good. Don't get too drunk you can't tell the difference.

A couple of new bars on Soi Diana that had some attractive women working. The beer bar complex up toward second road was usually pretty dead. One of my favorite bars just to catch a drink and bullshit is Luck Bar right across from the Areca Lodge. I don't know why, but this bar always has a good crowd, despite the fact that there are only a couple of attractive women working there.

Soi Chaiyapoon

The road which I was told was recently "fixed" is still a mess of potholes. After a good rain it can be difficult to walk down the street without getting your feet soaked. No real bars stood out but I did hit Maggie Mays a few times. They have a couple of younger and pretty cute ones on staff now but they get scooped up pretty quickly. I did hook up with one of them and I believe it was 500 be for the room and 1500 be for her.

Not really on Chaiyapoon but down Soi Excite is Club Excite. I went in there after a disappointing trip to Soi Bongkot (see below) and was pleasantly surprised. Had a very pleasurable session with a very petite, almost western looking woman. Same prices as Maggie Mays. Afterward, I asked her what it would cost for her to visit me in my hotel after work (she was that good looking and gave great service) and she said 3 K be LT. Didn't pull the trigger.

Soi Bongkat

A short moto taxi ride from the Buakhao area are 4 or 5 gentlemen's clubs located side-by-side in what would be classified as a strip mall in the states. I hit all of them and didn't see anything I was interested in. Since it wasn't even dark outside yet, I was probably there too early.

Soi Honey

Some new bars have opened on Soi Honey. One of them is Lips Lounge about halfway up the Soi. Apparently, the owner of this bar used to own the notorious Pandoras gogo in LK Metro (I don't know if this is true or not). Well Lips Lounge has a similar format. About 3 or 4, medium attractive ladies dancing on stage and another 4 or 5 waiting their turn. Call any of them over and buy them a drink. After one or two drinks you will find your fly down and the lady giving you head. You can also reciprocate if you choose to. No additional charge for this service but they do expect a significant gratuity.

Stopped in the Runway Bar and the night I went I was not really impressed with the quality of the ladies working. They good ones might have already been barfined.

A new gentlemen's club, the Honey Lounge has opened. I stopped in late and there really weren't any women left to choose. Pricing similar to Maggie Mays.

Lots of "dirty" massage places on Soi Honey, Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Buakhao. Generally, 300 be for the room and 1 K be for the woman for an hour of full service. Lots of very attractive ladies soliciting work at these places. Also, a lot of over-the-hill ones. Just be sure to pick a woman as there are quite a few ladyboys mixed in at the shops.

Bangkok

I was staying down Sukhumvit Soi 7. Last year I would have spent some time at the Beer Garden, but alas, it is no more. It has been replaced with a beer bar complex. As it was convenient and there were some good-looking women, I did drink here on a few occasions. I never did bar fine from here though so I do not know the prices.

Walking a few blocks up Sukhumvit, you will find the Thermae bar. This is a basement bar underneath the Ruamchitt hotel. Inside the bar you are quickly ushered to the counter where you are required to order a drink. Not cheap, not expensive for Bangkok. In the middle of the bar is kind of an open island where you can sit if there are seats available. The two time I went there it was absolutely packed with freelancers, a lot of them quite attractive, in every conceivable shape and size. The girls here are usually dressed in normal clothes (not * ware) and are not aggressive but will eyeball you, smile and wave if they are interested. A lot of people report that the women are mostly trying to attract Asian customers and will pretty much ignore westerners. I did not find this to be the case. I'm 68 years old, very white, tall, not overweight but definitely not these girl's ideal mate and I got all of the attention I could handle. Since this is a freelancer destination there is no bar fine and no lady drink surcharge. Take home fee was 1. 5 K to 2 K be. A couple of them said 3 K but you could tell they were just testing the waters. What I did find that a lot of these women only wanted to short time as they had to go to work in the morning.

Outside of Thermae all the way from Soi 11 to Soi 15 are a ton of freelancers just hanging out waiting for an interested customer. They were not aggressive and for the most part were dressed in regular, casual clothes. I did have probably one of my best sessions from one of these girls. Petite, sexy and a little dynamo for almost 2 hours. I probably overpaid at 1500 be but I was not disappointed.

Went to Nana Plaza a couple of times. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of incredible women in the gogos but it is incredibly expensive to drink for yourself and the lady drinks are outrageously priced. And as soon as you sit down, the mamasan or server is putting on a lot of pressure to buy at least one lady drink for a dancer and of course one for herself. I really didn't hang in any one gogo for very long.

The bars just outside of Nana Plaza on Soi 4 are good places to meet women. There are the servers who are barfinable as well as many freelancers hanging around. Drinks weren't too outrageous in these bars and the talent was pretty good. Hooter, across the street has some incredibly good-looking servers but I doubt that they can be barfined. I didn't ask but I imagine if you are a younger guy with some game, you could probably arrange an after-shift rendezvous (for a price of course).

There are a lot of small bars and some nightclubs on Soi 11. I never stayed up late enough to hit the clubs but did hit some of the smaller bars. Like most of Bangkok, a lot of pressure to buy the lady drinks.

Soi 7/1 is the debauchery soi. Two BJ bars most of the way down the soi, Annies, I believe it used to be Dr. BJs (not to be confused with the now closed famous massage place) and Wood Bar. Both of these places are pretty much the same. You pay 800 be to have a woman take you in a back room for a BJ. The women are a bit older and not that good looking but it is very dark inside. I did have to partake one time just for the experience. It was underwhelming but it was only 800 be.

Summary

Overall, I had a great time. I made the same mistake I make every trip, overdoing it the first few days then having to really scale back for a bit. I will return if I can find a reasonably priced business class flight. I will probably skip Singapore the next time just because of the cost factor. I do want to explore more of Vietnam as I am really attracted to the women. And of course, I would hit Thailand again, maybe spending a few nights in Chiang Mai.

I think my next major trip might be in April or May. I saw United had some not to outrageous flights to Manila that only stops once from my hometown. I would of course visit Angeles City but will look for another area, maybe Cebu or Subic to spend a few nights. I will probably only spend a couple of nights in Manila, just before and after my flights.

[BackpackBrian]

I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).

Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.

Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.

I was in Pattaya 2 months ago and I'll give some feedback for you.

Don't discuss BBFS, just go for it. Any negotiation will always lead to higher prices for you.

I spent most of my time in the gentleman's club (Passion, Kineree, etc), but also went to different SOI's, the high end Gogo's, beer bars and had some street walkers.

Here is how I approached it and so should you.

Gentleman's clubs.

I take the girl to the room. No negotiation for BBFS before going to the room, just a clarification on the price for sex, usually by the manager / mamason.

In the room, if the chemistry was good we started in right away and I tried to go BBFS without even attempting to put on a condom, many of the girls were ok with it.

In other cases, I jumped into the shower, she followed me in and I would start to have BBFS with her in the shower. If this was ok with her I knew we would continue in bed.

I would say about 60-70% of the girls from the GC's I went with were ok with BBFS+CIP.

Soapy's. Only went to Soi Honey on this trip as they are a little more expensive, but when in Rome!

Started sex with condom after bath and rub down, but after about 10 minutes I took the condom off and was able to persuade her to have BB sex.

She was a little reluctant but gave in after a few seconds of persuasion. I ended up giving her a $20.00 tip after. Massage - $70.00 + $20.00 tip = $90.00 US.

Street Walkers.

Didn't go with that many, but had a few back to my room.

Most asked if I had a condom and I said no. So BBFS was with most, but not all.

Prices ranged between $35-$50 US.

Gogo bars.

Same rule applies here, did not discuss BBFS, but received it with about 50% of the high end gogo girls.

I was expecting to have some say no, which they did, because they are a little more educated about STD's from their managers, etc so if they come down with something from you they are out of business. Because they cost so much more than beer bar girls, GC's, SW's, etc. , some were willing to give me that service without paying extra. (never offer to pay more because they will all want more).

I think BBFS is dependent on you and the girl. If you are under 45 years old, fit, attractive (by her standards) you will be better equipped to get what you want.

In Thailand, I wouldn't ask for BBFS up front unless you are not in this category and want her to charge you more. I'm sure the high end Gogo bar girls would ask for an arm and a leg for BBFS if you try and negotiate up front before leaving to your hotel room. So I avoid any and all pre negotiated prices for extra services. Remember this line, "It's always better to ask for forgiveness after than permission before" translate this into punting and you will always pay more and receive less if you try to negotiate all up front in Pattaya.

This, for me, is quite different than BBFS in Germany in places like Sharks, Palace, Artemis, etc where the girls nickle and dime you for each and every extra service now.

In Germany I always negotiate up front and ask if I can have BBFS. Some girls say yes, others say no. Sometimes I will try and persuade them anyways, but if they are educated on STD's as they are required to take weekly tests, many will decline unless they are really desperate for the money.

And in some cases I ask in the room. Most girls will ask for more (+50 E) for it.

I've had many sessions in FKK's where the girl will approach me and tell me I can do whatever I want to her.

When I hear those words and she looks good, off we go, no condom is used with BBFS+CIP.

Last disclaimer. I usually don't go with the youngest, prettiest little spinner in the clubs, bars, etc. I seek out the more mature, MILF types that have been around the block.

Maybe that's why I usually get what I want. YMMV will depend on your looks.

My advice is to get and use Prep from your doctor to reduce the risk of getting something you don't want.

Also use condoms.

[HardDrive]

I just recently completed a 4-week trip to Southeast Asia. My original itinerary was aggressive, and included Singapore, Ho Cho Minh City, Phnom Penh, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya and Bangkok. At the last minute I decided to scale it back and visited Singapore, HCMC, Pattaya and Bangkok. I will quote any prices in local currency unless I paid US dollars like on Agoda and Airbnb. Thai Baht was around 36 to the dollar the whole time. Singapore dollar was 1. 36 and the Vietnamese Dong was 24500. So, $100 is 36000 Thai Baht, 136 Sing dollars and 2,450,000 Vietnamese dong.

Transportation

Air

I got a good deal on a Singapore Airlines flight in Business Class by booking very early. The flight was from Newark to Singapore, a stopover in Singapore and then on to HCMC. My return was Bangkok to Newark, connecting in Singapore. I also had to book a round trip on United to get to and from Newark to connect with my Singapore flight. I really don't like to have separate tickets for flights like that as if something happens, you have to scramble to reschedule.

That EWR to SIN flight is long. Supposedly one of the longest flights in the world. Outbound it took almost 19 hours and the return over 17. The route on the outbound flight went eastward. Flying over Norway, Europe, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh. I was a bit paranoid about stray missiles. The return was over the Pacific, skirting Alaska and northern Canada. Luckily the service on the flight was excellent. Alot of decent food and plenty of drinks. I was able to catch some sleep but not enough.

I also flew on VietJet from HCMC to Bangkok. A budget airline similar to Spirit, I imagine. Spent almost an hour in the line to check in and then another hour to clear immigration. No issues with the actual flight. Next time I will probably spend a couple more $$ to fly a decent airline.

Taxi

I used Nam's taxi (namsladydrivers@gmail.com) for my trip from Bangkok Airport (BKK) to Pattaya (1200 baht) and from Pattaya to my Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7 (1500 baht). I like Nam's as they employ strictly older Thai ladies as drivers. You can find rides a few hundred baht cheaper but you never know who is driving. Some Thai taxi drivers act like they have a death wish. Nam's drive newer Toyota Camrys, a ton of room in the back seat. They drive very carefully, just at the speed limit. They are always early and ready to go. I highly recommend them.

In Singapore and Vietnam, I used Grab. Uber was pretty much non-existent. Pretty straight forward and you can charge to your credit card like you do with Uber. Only issue was that the location service for your pickup location wasn't that great at times. Short rides were incredibly inexpensive.

In Pattaya I only used Grab once to go to a bar in Jomtiem (I had never been there). The trip there was fine but the driver got lost on the way back. I have a feeling he did not read very well and could not interpret the map. The rest of the time I just used the Baht Bus. The best transportation value in the world. 10 baht gets you down to Soi 6 on Second road or up to Walking Street on Beach Road. I still haven't used the Baht Bus up and down Soi Buakhao yet.

Hotels

This trip I decided to change things up and do some Condo rentals.

Since I was only going to be in Singapore a few nights, I just rented a hotel room, the Hotel BenCoolen on Hong Kong street, very near Singapore's Chinatown. $135 a night on Agoda. Yes, Singapore is expensive. A decent hotel, OK breakfast with pretty poor Wi-Fi. I was in a building just adjacent to the main building and had my own key card to access the building and the elevator. Would have been totally guest friendly as no one would see you go up. I didn't try as I did most of my playing in Geylang.

In Vietnam I rented an Airbnb. $31.42 per night. It was located in the heart of Little Japan / Japan Town. It was a very nice unit, large bed, washer, full kitchen and pretty good internet. Only downside was that it was on the second floor (the third level) and to get upstairs you had to climb a very narrow, winding staircase. Not an issue except trying to lug my suitcase up and down those stairs.

In Pattaya I usually stay at the Areca lodge which is a great hotel right in the heart of the action. Good rooms, great pools and a very good buffet breakfast. But I tried to book a week there for this trip after I adjusted my itinerary and there were no rooms available. So, I ended up at the Honey Boutique Hotel on Soi Honey. It is right across the street from the Acqua Hotel (another very nice hotel but only had the small rooms).

The Honey Boutique was a decent and inexpensive hotel. About $23 a night including taxes. A pretty large room, balcony, good bath and shower. Breakfast was OK and it was a shared service between 3 of their hotels in a little adjacent restaurant. They advertise a pool on Agoda but you really get to use the pool at the 24/7 Boutique hotel across the street. Only real negative was that the Wi-Fi wasn't too great. I would stay again but only if nothing better, like the Areca was available.

In Pattaya I then moved to a condo in the View Talay 6 building, room 22-838. I rented this through Dancewatchers. This was a very nice unit on the 22nd floor with a great view of the bay on the Walking Street side. I had a full kitchen, washer (no dryer), large comfortable King bed and mirrors everywhere, including over the bed. A nice 5. 1 TV setup which I really didn't use. Excellent internet with a dedicated router. I opted to get the daily housekeeping and that contributed to a pretty high cost of $70 per night.

The View Talay 6 building is conveniently located on Second Road right next to the Central Festival mall. In the basement of the mall is an incredible grocery / food court where you can get almost any imported food item you might want. On the first floor of the VT6 building are a number of massage shops, convenience stores and a little restaurant that was surprisingly good. I would definitely stay here again but would cut down on the housekeeping.

In Bangkok I rented an Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7. It was a little way down the Soi so it was isolated from most bar noise and had few motos racing around. It was about a 5-minute walk to Sukhumvit and was very close to the Nana BTS station. The condo was pretty good. Full kitchen, washer / dryer combo. Nice king size bed in a separate room. There was a balcony but it was small and really no view. Just good enough to catch a quick smoke and hang some laundry. Very fast Wi-Fi and TV had access to Netflix, Prime, etc. But you had to use your own account. The only downside was that only two towels and one set of sheets was provided so you had to do without while you laundered them. I did not contract for any housekeeping services. The room was on the second floor and the elevator was always available and pretty quick. You enter the building through the garage and the security guard there pretty much just acknowledges your arrival as a keycard is necessary to entire the main building. The unit ran about $53 per night taxes and fees included.

Nightlife

Singapore

As I stated earlier, Singapore is expensive. A beer will generally run from S $15 to S $20. A pack of cigarettes is around S $15. Vaping is very illegal.

The first night I found two Indian hostess bars a short walk from my hotel. I really didn't stay long enough to figure out exactly how things worked in there but I did drink a S $15 beer. It looked like the dancers on the stage would come and sit with you if you bought them a drink. I saw a couple of customers call some girls down from the stage, chat for a minute or two and then the girls returned to the stage. I'm guessing that the lady drink costa was a bit prohibitive or they told the guys they were "drinks only" I. E. , no bar fine possible. I did splurge on another beer, watched but didn't see anyone I really wanted to talk to so I left.

Next to one of the Indian bars was another bar where you walked up a narrow staircase. It was a bit creepy but I went up anyway. When I got to the bar, I was pleasantly surprised. It was a relatively large space playing 70's, 80's rock and roll and there were a lot of cute women and very few customers. I sat down at a table and ordered a beer and was very pleased when I was told it was only S $10. As I drank the beer two pretty little things sat down at my table and we began to chat. They were Filipinas as were most of the women there. They spoke great English. They were under contract to the bar and stayed as a group in housing supplied by the bar owner. Didn't sound like the best situation. We chatted for a while and they never hit me up for a drink or asked for anything so I ordered another beer. I asked them what it would cost to buy them a drink and I almost fell over when one said S $60 each. She did day that they get S $35 of that and they have a drink quota of 7 drinks. Unfortunately for them I told them that was way out of my budget range. They didn't act surprised or get angry and continued to chat with me while a finished my beer. I didn't even ask them what a barfine would cost since a beer was S $60 and I was pretty beat from my long flight from the US. I thanked them, left and went back to my hotel and slept for 10 hours.

The next night I went to Ipanema. This bar used to be the main freelancer spot in the infamous Orchard tower, but has moved to a new location. To find it search google for the Ipanema World Music Bar. The new bar was very nice. It was a huge space with a lot of comfortable table and bar seating. A very good Filipino band was covering old rock and roll standards. They had two very hot female singers and a killer guitar player. I went pretty early, around 9:30 and it wasn't too crowded but there were still a lot of very pretty, well dressed freelancers roaming the bar area. Almost everyone I spoke with was Vietnamese. Most appeared to be in their 20's / 30's. Almost every one of them came by to talk and unlike many places like this they didn't immediately hit me up for a drink. Since they are freelancers, they don't make money hustling drinks but want you to take them back to your hotel. Most of them started out saying their fee was S $300 - S $500. I just smiled and said no thank you and then you could see them go into negotiation mode. I ended up with a gorgeous (IMO), petite 29-year-old Viet woman for S $150 for two hours. She said she would spend the night if I bought her breakfast. That was a no brainer and had a great time. I know I still overspent that night but I did want to revisit the Ipanema experience as I had been there 15 years ago when Orchard tower was known as the four floors of working girls. The new venue was a lot tamer but still a very good time.

I had done my research and found that the Geylang District is where you go to visit the legal massage parlors. While they are called massage parlors, they are really just brothels. All of the pricing is all in, there is no basic massage price and then an upsell for HJ, BJ or full service. Here everything is included for one price. There are probably 50 to 75 separate parlors and they are all basically set up the same. Each place usually has women from a single country. The only ones I encountered were Vietnamese, Thai and Chinese. Supposedly there are a few Filipino shops but I never saw one. The Chinese were usually a little more expensive. The reason I got was that a lot of the locals speak Chinese so it was easier to interact. Prices ranged from S $80 to S $120 for 40 minutes or an hour (varies by shop). Some places you won't see anything you like. No problem to just go to the next shop. They are used to it. The ones that I visited it seemed the procedure was pretty consistent. You speak to the manager (usually a guy) out front and discuss what you want. You choose the girl from a lineup or a fishbowl. You pay the full price up front. You go to the back where you a led to a shower. She will usually shower with you to be sure you are squeaky clean (mutual scrubbing allowed) and I am sure they also do an inspection of your equipment to be sure you don't have any obvious diseases. You dry off and go to a private room with a decent sized bed. She covers it with towels, you lay down and the fun begins. You can get a massage if you want but it won't be very professional. Every place I was you could do just about anything you wanted though I did not ask about anal. If you want that I would ask the guy at the front door and I am sure he would have someone to suggest. BJ was uncovered, sex was wrapped. DATY, fingering, kissing was all on the table. The session ends when your time is up, not when you finish. Afterwards shower and optionally tip the lady for a job well done. There were many cute, young women in a lot of the shops. There were also quite a few grannies. I had no problem finding someone I liked in most of the shops.

Ho Chi Minh City

As I was only here a couple of nights, I really didn't get out of the Little Japan area very much. I planned to explore the freelancer bars on Pasteur St but never got around to it. I was very disappointed that my favorite freelancer bar, Apocalypse Now, shut down during Covid and never reopened. Japan Town is expensive when compared to the rest of HCMC as it has a lot of well-heel Japanese tourists. In Japan Town, there are two types of places. The first are massage parlors. Unlike those in Singapore, these at least pretend to be about massage. These places are well lit and the women working in them were for the most part young and attractive. They were all very well dressed in similarly colored outfits. There were usually 10 to 25 women to choose from. The entry fee is 400 K dong (about $16) for a basic one-hour massage. You pay that fee and go to a private room with either a bed or a large massage table. You shower together and I swear every woman I was with thoroughly washed every nook and cranny on my body. You get on the bed and she starts a pretty underwhelming massage. After about five minutes she has you flip, crawls on top of you and asks if you want extras. HJ was 500 K dong, BJ was 1 M dong and full service was 2 M dong. I usually opted for the BJ. Again, BJ uncovered, sex covered. I found the pricing and procedures pretty consistent across all of the shops I visited.

The other type of venue was Japanese styled hostess bars. In these bars you basically buy drinks to have a very good-looking woman sit with you. They almost all speak passable English and Japanese. Apparently, this type of bar is very popular in Japan. Drinks for me were a bit pricey at 160 K dong but the lady drinks were 400 K or 500 K dong. I didn't ask about bar fines as I was getting satisfied in the massage parlors. I am sure, if available, it would be very expensive. I think that a lot of these women are "drinks only". I didn't spend too much time in these places.

One bar that was unique for Little Japan was Miss Saigon. This bar name is popular here in HCMC but this one is a little hole in the wall in Little Japan. I popped in there at 6 pm to get out of a downpour, on my way to dinner. It was the only bar I could find that opened before 8 pm.

Inside I got a beer and it was reasonably priced, around 45 K dong. There were 4 young women working in the bar, all attractive but not drop dead gorgeous. They were just working, chatting up the customers but not hustling, trying to get drinks. They played a lot of old western music and would let you pick songs for them to play off Spotify. The bar started to fill up with expats, Australian and UK folks. They seemed to be regulars as they knew the waitresses well. I saw they did buy the ladies a round of shots and I asked them how much it was. They were $160 K dong, about $6. 50. Not bad for a lady drink. I ended up buying them a round of shots myself and other customers did too. The owner came in, an attractive Viet MILF, she bought a couple of rounds. Everyone was getting hammered, especially the barmaids. They also were getting quite friendly with all of us. I'm sure a reasonable bar fine could have been negotiated but I was frankly this old guy was way too buzzed to do anything about it. I ended up leaving around midnight as I wanted to be sure I could find my way back to the apartment. I had a ton of drinks myself and bought a couple of rounds for the ladies and some drinks for a couple of the expats and probably spent around $60. I never did get dinner.

Pattaya

Pattaya is a playground. There are hundreds of bars, massage places and other venues centrally located that cater to our hobby. There were a lot more bars open than when I visited a year ago and most were staffed with a lot of women. Unfortunately (for them) there still weren't that many tourists for them to ply their trade so there was kind of a slight feeling of desperation. I visited a lot of them and there is no way to recount everything. I am just going to talk about some places that stood out. As an aside, most bars officially close at 2 am but will stay open later with the lights out if they still have customers. They exception are the nightclubs which really don't even get started until 11:30 pm or later. I seldom make it to closing time.

Walking Street

I only went down there a couple of times and that was primarily to visit one of my favorite bars in Pattaya, the Bamboo Bar. Around 10 or 10:30 Bamboo gets really crowded. The women are all freelancers and the majority are 30+ and quite a few into their 40's and 50's though I did see a few younger ones that probably are enjoying the lack of competition from other young women. They are always dressed nice and ready to party. Drinks at Bamboo are a bit pricey for Pattaya but there is no lady drink surcharge. Normal freelancer rates seemed to prevail with 1 k TO 1. 5 k be ST and 2. 5 K to 3 K be LT.

I hit a couple of Walking Street gogos and didn't stay very long. Drinks were very pricey and there was a lot of pressure to buy lady drinks. Bar fines were in the 1 K plus range and most of the women were starting negotiation at 5 K.

Hit a couple of beer bars on the main strip and the drink prices were surprisingly reasonable though when sitting you are constantly hounded by the myriad of ladyboys that hang just outside on the street.

Went into the original Windmills and it is just a raunchy as I remember it. For the price of a lady drink or two you can fondle, kiss, lick to your heart's content. I did not stop in top their new location just across the street.

Soi 6

It seemed like almost every bar location was open and fully staffed. Unfortunately, few customers but a caveat, I usually went early, just around 8 pm. The women are aggressive trying to pill you into their bar and I pity the poor Japanese dudes that walked down the street, they were literally mobbed. To me almost all of these bars are pretty much the same so if you see a woman you like, follow her in and buy her a drink. Most of the places I went were quoting 400 be for the room and 1500 be for them though a few were asking for 2 Kb and sticking to it.

Visually, one place stood out. About halfway down the street is a bar I believe is called Flirts. It looked like they had a "No Silicone" hiring policy. All of the women were petite and apparently natural. A few were simply adorable. Unfortunately, they had the balloons up that night for a party and they were jammed. The music was loud and really nowhere to sit.

LK Metro

I didn't hit any of the LK Metro gogos except for Kink. I think this place rivals Windmills on the raunchy scale and the women were a bit more attractive. Typical gogo drink and bar fine prices.

I also hit Billabongs on a couple of evenings. Live band (not too bad) every night and beers are two for one at 120 be. Manyu of the women working there are way past their sell by date but there were a few younger and attractive ones. Barfine was 300 be and typical takeaway price was 1. 5 k be.

Soi Buakhao / Soi Diana Area

Buakhao is probably my favorite Soi to just walk, sightsee and stop into a bar for a quick drink. It is also home to my favorite late-night snack, Bronx pizza. Many of the bars have live music and most of the workers can be barfined. Prices vary drastically from bar to bar but most are in the reasonable range. Some places do have some higher barfines as they are short-staffed and really don't want all of the women leaving before closing time.

A new nightclub opened on the corner of Soi Buakhao and Soi Chaiyapoon, Club Juju. This place has a live band, lots of seating and no real dance floor. Drink prices weren't outrageous for a nightclub and the server were very efficient. A lot of bar workers come here when their shift ends as well as a lot of regular freelancers. Since this is a nightclub, no lady drink surcharge and no barfine though most women wanted 2 K to 3 k be to go out. Since it doesn't start until very late you are probably going to be getting back to your room around 3 or 4 am and they will usually want to spend the night instead of getting a grab that late. So, you do generally get a little morning activity as well for the fee. One caution. Quite a few ladyboys frequent this place and they are usually dressed to kill and look pretty good. Don't get too drunk you can't tell the difference.

A couple of new bars on Soi Diana that had some attractive women working. The beer bar complex up toward second road was usually pretty dead. One of my favorite bars just to catch a drink and bullshit is Luck Bar right across from the Areca Lodge. I don't know why, but this bar always has a good crowd, despite the fact that there are only a couple of attractive women working there.

Soi Chaiyapoon

The road which I was told was recently "fixed" is still a mess of potholes. After a good rain it can be difficult to walk down the street without getting your feet soaked. No real bars stood out but I did hit Maggie Mays a few times. They have a couple of younger and pretty cute ones on staff now but they get scooped up pretty quickly. I did hook up with one of them and I believe it was 500 be for the room and 1500 be for her.

Not really on Chaiyapoon but down Soi Excite is Club Excite. I went in there after a disappointing trip to Soi Bongkot (see below) and was pleasantly surprised. Had a very pleasurable session with a very petite, almost western looking woman. Same prices as Maggie Mays. Afterward, I asked her what it would cost for her to visit me in my hotel after work (she was that good looking and gave great service) and she said 3 K be LT. Didn't pull the trigger.

Soi Bongkat

A short moto taxi ride from the Buakhao area are 4 or 5 gentlemen's clubs located side-by-side in what would be classified as a strip mall in the states. I hit all of them and didn't see anything I was interested in. Since it wasn't even dark outside yet, I was probably there too early.

Soi Honey

Some new bars have opened on Soi Honey. One of them is Lips Lounge about halfway up the Soi. Apparently, the owner of this bar used to own the notorious Pandoras gogo in LK Metro (I don't know if this is true or not). Well Lips Lounge has a similar format. About 3 or 4, medium attractive ladies dancing on stage and another 4 or 5 waiting their turn. Call any of them over and buy them a drink. After one or two drinks you will find your fly down and the lady giving you head. You can also reciprocate if you choose to. No additional charge for this service but they do expect a significant gratuity.

Stopped in the Runway Bar and the night I went I was not really impressed with the quality of the ladies working. They good ones might have already been barfined.

A new gentlemen's club, the Honey Lounge has opened. I stopped in late and there really weren't any women left to choose. Pricing similar to Maggie Mays.

Lots of "dirty" massage places on Soi Honey, Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Buakhao. Generally, 300 be for the room and 1 K be for the woman for an hour of full service. Lots of very attractive ladies soliciting work at these places. Also, a lot of over-the-hill ones. Just be sure to pick a woman as there are quite a few ladyboys mixed in at the shops.

Bangkok

I was staying down Sukhumvit Soi 7. Last year I would have spent some time at the Beer Garden, but alas, it is no more. It has been replaced with a beer bar complex. As it was convenient and there were some good-looking women, I did drink here on a few occasions. I never did bar fine from here though so I do not know the prices.

Walking a few blocks up Sukhumvit, you will find the Thermae bar. This is a basement bar underneath the Ruamchitt hotel. Inside the bar you are quickly ushered to the counter where you are required to order a drink. Not cheap, not expensive for Bangkok. In the middle of the bar is kind of an open island where you can sit if there are seats available. The two time I went there it was absolutely packed with freelancers, a lot of them quite attractive, in every conceivable shape and size. The girls here are usually dressed in normal clothes (not * ware) and are not aggressive but will eyeball you, smile and wave if they are interested. A lot of people report that the women are mostly trying to attract Asian customers and will pretty much ignore westerners. I did not find this to be the case. I'm 68 years old, very white, tall, not overweight but definitely not these girl's ideal mate and I got all of the attention I could handle. Since this is a freelancer destination there is no bar fine and no lady drink surcharge. Take home fee was 1. 5 K to 2 K be. A couple of them said 3 K but you could tell they were just testing the waters. What I did find that a lot of these women only wanted to short time as they had to go to work in the morning.

Outside of Thermae all the way from Soi 11 to Soi 15 are a ton of freelancers just hanging out waiting for an interested customer. They were not aggressive and for the most part were dressed in regular, casual clothes. I did have probably one of my best sessions from one of these girls. Petite, sexy and a little dynamo for almost 2 hours. I probably overpaid at 1500 be but I was not disappointed.

Went to Nana Plaza a couple of times. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of incredible women in the gogos but it is incredibly expensive to drink for yourself and the lady drinks are outrageously priced. And as soon as you sit down, the mamasan or server is putting on a lot of pressure to buy at least one lady drink for a dancer and of course one for herself. I really didn't hang in any one gogo for very long.

The bars just outside of Nana Plaza on Soi 4 are good places to meet women. There are the servers who are barfinable as well as many freelancers hanging around. Drinks weren't too outrageous in these bars and the talent was pretty good. Hooter, across the street has some incredibly good-looking servers but I doubt that they can be barfined. I didn't ask but I imagine if you are a younger guy with some game, you could probably arrange an after-shift rendezvous (for a price of course).

There are a lot of small bars and some nightclubs on Soi 11. I never stayed up late enough to hit the clubs but did hit some of the smaller bars. Like most of Bangkok, a lot of pressure to buy the lady drinks.

Soi 7/1 is the debauchery soi. Two BJ bars most of the way down the soi, Annies, I believe it used to be Dr. BJs (not to be confused with the now closed famous massage place) and Wood Bar. Both of these places are pretty much the same. You pay 800 be to have a woman take you in a back room for a BJ. The women are a bit older and not that good looking but it is very dark inside. I did have to partake one time just for the experience. It was underwhelming but it was only 800 be.

Summary

Overall, I had a great time. I made the same mistake I make every trip, overdoing it the first few days then having to really scale back for a bit. I will return if I can find a reasonably priced business class flight. I will probably skip Singapore the next time just because of the cost factor. I do want to explore more of Vietnam as I am really attracted to the women. And of course, I would hit Thailand again, maybe spending a few nights in Chiang Mai.

I think my next major trip might be in April or May. I saw United had some not to outrageous flights to Manila that only stops once from my hometown. I would of course visit Angeles City but will look for another area, maybe Cebu or Subic to spend a few nights. I will probably only spend a couple of nights in Manila, just before and after my flights.

[MrHappyKat]

I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).

Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.

Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.

[CaliGuy33]

I am here now, so sadly you are mistaken. Everything on here is on big debate LOL.

I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2022.

I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2023.

I can say definitively that hotel prices went up between those two trips, very noticeably in fact.

I don't think they'll go higher than where they are at now though, tourists numbers will dwindle, high season will disappoint.

When I return during low season in 2024 I expect the prices will be same as in 2023. But we'll see.

[Banana Boi]

if I had to chose one between all the soi 6 bars I tried I would say Roxy

Roxy is always fun. One of my favorite Soi 6 girls since 2016 is Mook at Roxy. Not sure if she's currently there she comes and goes. I no longer go to the room with her but I do buy her drinks. She's a lot of fun even downstairs.

The rumor is that Soi Buakhow will be changed to one way Real Soon Now.

Going North to South I hope. That's how I get to Walking Street!

[SubCmdr]

All my life I been poor. But it really doesn't matter no more. Cuz no matter what they say. SubCmdr gonna be OK.

I never said you posted with a double standard mate. I said I hope there is no double standard. I see your posts and you are one of the only guys on here who actually knows what they are talking about.

The only difference between you and me is this hobby is more of a priority for me over buying gadgets LOL. Gadgets are my 2nd weakness. If I see a stunner and she will do what I want, I will pay large. The most I have paid for an over night is 20 K baht. The least I have paid for an overnight is 2000 Baht. For ST, the most I have paid was 10,000 baht. The least was 800 baht.

I like to go out to the bars and buy drinks for the ladies as it creates a good vibe and I have great fun. Often getting freebies in bars like Club Fate, Maggie Mays, and Cat flaps behind the curtains..

You keep it 100 my brother. Much respect! Real recognize real.

In all aspects except for budget were are dead on point. I like Pattaya because strangely enough I have found my peace here. If I want to go hard in the paint, pull 10000 out of the ATM, roll up into Windmill 1 and have the mamasan move the cheap charlies out of my favorite seat cause me and my friend are each about to by a bottle and make it rain up in that mother fucker, I can do that. Balling on a budget for one night. The next night I can have one of my 1000ST girls come over. The next night my girl might come over and spent the night. When that happens I know I am going to get my dick sucked in the morning and blow a load of splooge into her mouth. She will still have time for a shower and a tea before she leaves for work. I ask you (not you my ISG brother because you already know what time it is) what exactly is there not to like?

Pattaya is fun. But you certainly cannot tell that from the all the negativity that gets posted up in here. LOL!.

[Raj Patela]

Live reports. I'm sitting on the Beach surrounded by 8 of Pattaya's best beach road girls.

An old Norwegian prototype Monger goes up to Undoubtedly the ugliest one and offer 700 baht. No deal.

I thought his offer was way too High. She really really really unattractive. While among the other 7 there are Ok looking ones.

Sorry but I can't tell service Level s by just looking at them. Hahaha.

OMG Pattaya is fun.

[Raj Patela]

Real Life Dow and Dirty on the Soi. You know which one Chat.

So I settled,. It's really hard to find an Attractive Girl. Not Stunner just attractive to my tasete. Baitoey being an Ideal.

1. She said she charges normal 2,500 but has never had a Customer at that price. Is she a 2,500 girl?

2. Her speech pattern was odd. Kind of Creepy.

3. There was no Chemistry. Just how it goes Chat.

4. Anyone notice people are able to sit on the Pattaya Beach without the Mafia getting in their face. Good thing.

[Paolo99]

Did that and headed to the hotel to then find Ploy to be in a big hurry! As you can imagine, not a great experience. Came down to find the friend waiting for her. LOL, they obviously had other plans!

Are you curious to know what these girls plan was?

Ask Mr Explorer, he knows it all about off-hours hobbying of Pattaya working girls.