Angeles City

[Banana Boi]

, most if these koreans / japanese / chinese are on big company expense accounts,

I will assume that the Korean and Japanese men who go to AC and Makati are the same demographics hitting Thailand, Vietnam, etc. That means they are in their 20's. Salary men from Korea and Japan DO NOT have big expense accounts. In fact, their income is very low compared to USA or Europe. Average wage for a salary man in his 20s in Korea is under 30k USD. A bit higher for Japan but still under 35 k USD. This is pre-tax! In other words, they do not have much disposable income. The problem is when a girl quotes them ridiculous prices they will say yes cause it's much cheaper than back home and there is no art of negotiation in Japan or Korea.

[NapaSlapper]

I've been offline since I sent in my TR's from my first visit last March. (Huge thanks to the rouges gallery here who provided me with info and advice!) But now I'm planning to return Feb 2024 for a full moth, mostly in AC.

I've been catching up on recent posts and see much (continued) discussion of the growing Korean presence and over consumption of "key" resources (I. E. : fresh pussy).

The stories all look similar: Some guy (a front man?) gets to the club early, tags the best hotties and pre-pays their bar fines. The chosen will then only pimp LDs until the van shows up to take them away for a few hours of easy-time with the Korean whales.

My question / idea: What if instead of trying to snag the bar girls before they get tagged, I just come in late, maybe after Midnight to enjoy those who return for an extra BF before the club closes? Am I over-simplifying the problem? Or should I plan on staying up late so I can, well, stay UP late?

The info you have been receiving of korean vans picking up the hottest girls that of course will actually barfine is 100% true, in fact a certain bar group have just ordered 3 more brand new vans to keep up with demand.

Many Certain girls in angeles will not barfine except with asians, they are asian only girls so no matter what time one hits the bar it will be a no from these girls.

Best advice is if you are a westerner, not too old, not too fat then hit the few western oriented bars, lollipop bar, geckos bar etc where one can easily get laid, the quality of ladies in these bars is low in honesty or try your luck online but again don't expect high quality girls as the koreans are also hunting online in numbers.

Unfortunately for westerners the angeles pool is rather slim if one is even the slightest fussy, either except what angeles has become or choose a different location where girls will not choose bed partners by race.

Happy mongering where ever you end up and please post a trip report.

[NapaSlapper]

I have. Your write-ups are such full of exaggeration, hyperbole, and BS.

More BS numbers. You mentioned 20 X previously. What is many, many times? If you look at the official statistics of tourist arrivals, the Korean numbers are not that much higher than the US. The percentages between East Asian and Western countries are similar. I am not sure what the percentages are in Angeles. Hard to say. Probably more Koreans than Westerners. In the Korean Bars, majority are Koreans. In the ex-pat bars, majority are Westerners. More Koreans playing poker; more Westerners hanging out at the outside places (Kokomos, Envy, and Phillies). Probably more Koreans inside of Clark; a lot of them play golf. Once I was on Walking Street at 12 pm. Ya, it looked like a 20 X ratio; I think Koreans like to go out early. But around 9 pm, ratio is more even. Maybe slightly more Koreans; not sure.

Q Bar is not a Korean bar. Obviously, you've never been to the Q Bar.

I doubt that's true. Some might be, but not enough to move the needle. How the hell would I or anymore know if they are on a business account. Ya, I know businesses in Korea and Japan pay for drinking among co-workers. But sending them on a sex-filled adventure to Angeles during the "Me too" movement. Especially the large corporations. I doubt that.

There aren't that many 350 pound guys there.

Westerners will not have trouble with any girls at the ex-pat bars. In the Korean bars, that's a different story. Not sure of the percentage. I've talked to a few of them. I don't think it's the tips. Koreans do not tip better than the Americans. The common answer is they are more culturally similar to the Koreans. Not sure. I haven't done enough research.

More BS that is repeated. I can almost guarantee you that no one (obviously not you) on this board knows any girl that will admit to having a trike driver lover / boyfriend. They may, but they will not admit to it. I often joke with the girls that they have a trike driver boyfriend. They ALL roll up their eyes and say "NO!" Same thing as the US. IMO, most girls do not want to admit that they want to seriously date a guy that works at McDonalds.

More BS. Just get the mamassan to point their green laser at the girls, and they will come and sit with you. They may not agree to the barfine, but they will definitely will want a ladys drink. Some girls are Korean only (especially at the Korean bars), some girls have sponsors / boyfriends (especially at XS). At the ex-pat bars, the girls will barfine with Westerners.

No they don't; or at least not to the scale that you are implying. How are they fighting. The girls usually act aloof, usually not desperate. They act calm. The mamasan will usually bring over the girls, for the Koreans to choose.

Actually, the couple of times I remember girls going crazy is when 2 young (I guess good looking) White guys walked into the bar.

For some of the girls. I admit, I do not know the percentages. It's funny that some guys here have to find a reason for the Westerners not being the preferred choice.

The funny thing is that I agree with your sentiment in a lot of the areas, but not to the degree and exaggeration that you state.

Haters will always be haters and try to disrupt and throw doubt on others for their agenda, I normally file these attempts and hate in the simpletons file.

Maybe making an angeles visit for more than a couple of days every multiple years will enable your good self to have a clue as to what's going on in angeles as of now.

As per your glowing report of dragons den bar again I throw doubt on your posts, have visited on 3 seperate occasions since your glowing report of a bar full of great lookers and only a crazy person would not visit, I could not disagree with you more, what I found on 3 visits (at the times you said to go) was 1 in 10 girls were just barely cute, no not a stunner, not great lookers, not perticularly slim or young in age, in fact most could be discribed as fat old dogs, maybe we just have a different level of wants in our bed partners.

As normal I find in life some have great taste in women and want to choose carefully, some are easily pleased, I find that those that are easily pleased are the ones singing angeles praises.

[Jarango]

Korean guys ... Usually they have their middle men who do this for a group

Well said. Market has changed. Place I am checking into has special Korans numbers so no doubt where they see their future and it ain't in Peoria.

[Sammon]

I've been offline since I sent in my TR's from my first visit last March. (Huge thanks to the rouges gallery here who provided me with info and advice!) But now I'm planning to return Feb 2024 for a full moth, mostly in AC.

I've been catching up on recent posts and see much (continued) discussion of the growing Korean presence and over consumption of "key" resources (I. E. : fresh pussy).

The stories all look similar: Some guy (a front man?) gets to the club early, tags the best hotties and pre-pays their bar fines. The chosen will then only pimp LDs until the van shows up to take them away for a few hours of easy-time with the Korean whales.

My question / idea: What if instead of trying to snag the bar girls before they get tagged, I just come in late, maybe after Midnight to enjoy those who return for an extra BF before the club closes? Am I over-simplifying the problem? Or should I plan on staying up late so I can, well, stay UP late?

It is impossible to flip the script with Korean guys barfining all hotties. These are not actual punters. Usually they have their middle men who do this for a group. For the bar and the girls it is a win win situation.

However with hundreds of available girls one should not have any problem finding one like able girl. Some girls and bars exclusively prefer Koreans. There are others who do not care. Not all Koreans pay exorbitant prices and tips.

[RainMania]

Just one consideration. Economic availability makes a man more or less interesting in the eyes of girls. Both in AC and in the rest of the world. So the competition with K boy is won by playing the same game as them, "the ability to spend", and let me say that a little empathy with girls (which kboy lacks, can help a lot. For my part, I have planned a trip for the spring and with flight and hotel already paid in advance I will use my budget of around 10 k a day for everything else. I think it will be more than enough to spend 2 weeks taking advantage of beautiful girls whether they are bar girls what a freelancer. I conclude by saying that. If you want to win an F1 grand prix you have to compete with a Ferrari and not with a Fiat 500.

For 10 k pesos a day, you can easily outspend 1-2 k-boys. The problem is the other 5-7 k-boys they came to angeles with, and the other 5-10 k-boys that will replace that group once they hop on the plane back to Korea after their weekend visit. You as the lone westerner will always be outnumbered, outgunned and outspent, there's no two ways about it.

You will still be able to get freelancers galore, but the bar scene for the most part will be a disappointment compared to your last experience from 8 years ago. That doesn't mean you won't be able to barfine pretty girls from the bar, but the availability of the best girls in bars will not be in your favour.

[Medellin65]

Hey Mr Alfa Romeo / Lamborghini / Masarati man What are you going to splurge 10 k a day on? Why not drop it to 4 k and give me the rest? I'll write poems to Alberto Adcari and Nino Farina for that, and sing you Bella Ciaio, Bandiera Rossa and Arivederci Roma better than Pavarotti himself as many times as you like. Make it 7 k for me and I'll wear a knock off Italian football shirt for as long as you are in town. Either way, just enjoy yourself.

Ah Ah Ah. I'm sorry I can only offer a beer. I need other money for my pleasure. And for the pleasure of my little friend into the pants.

[MrHappyKat]

I've been offline since I sent in my TR's from my first visit last March. (Huge thanks to the rouges gallery here who provided me with info and advice!) But now I'm planning to return Feb 2024 for a full moth, mostly in AC.

I've been catching up on recent posts and see much (continued) discussion of the growing Korean presence and over consumption of "key" resources (I. E. : fresh pussy).

The stories all look similar: Some guy (a front man?) gets to the club early, tags the best hotties and pre-pays their bar fines. The chosen will then only pimp LDs until the van shows up to take them away for a few hours of easy-time with the Korean whales.

My question / idea: What if instead of trying to snag the bar girls before they get tagged, I just come in late, maybe after Midnight to enjoy those who return for an extra BF before the club closes? Am I over-simplifying the problem? Or should I plan on staying up late so I can, well, stay UP late?

[GreenBud]

if you had been reading the forum of late

I have. Your write-ups are such full of exaggeration, hyperbole, and BS.

koreans out number westerners by many many times

More BS numbers. You mentioned 20 X previously. What is many, many times? If you look at the official statistics of tourist arrivals, the Korean numbers are not that much higher than the US. The percentages between East Asian and Western countries are similar. I am not sure what the percentages are in Angeles. Hard to say. Probably more Koreans than Westerners. In the Korean Bars, majority are Koreans. In the ex-pat bars, majority are Westerners. More Koreans playing poker; more Westerners hanging out at the outside places (Kokomos, Envy, and Phillies). Probably more Koreans inside of Clark; a lot of them play golf. Once I was on Walking Street at 12 pm. Ya, it looked like a 20 X ratio; I think Koreans like to go out early. But around 9 pm, ratio is more even. Maybe slightly more Koreans; not sure.

Q Bar is not a Korean bar. Obviously, you've never been to the Q Bar.

most if these koreans / japanese / chinese are on big company expense accounts, as many have said is hard if not impossible to compete with the likes of honda / toyota and the likes expense card.

I doubt that's true. Some might be, but not enough to move the needle. How the hell would I or anymore know if they are on a business account. Ya, I know businesses in Korea and Japan pay for drinking among co-workers. But sending them on a sex-filled adventure to Angeles during the "Me too" movement. Especially the large corporations. I doubt that.

why fuck a 350 pound western guy

There aren't that many 350 pound guys there.

Westerners will not have trouble with any girls at the ex-pat bars. In the Korean bars, that's a different story. Not sure of the percentage. I've talked to a few of them. I don't think it's the tips. Koreans do not tip better than the Americans. The common answer is they are more culturally similar to the Koreans. Not sure. I haven't done enough research.

trike driver lover.

More BS that is repeated. I can almost guarantee you that no one (obviously not you) on this board knows any girl that will admit to having a trike driver lover / boyfriend. They may, but they will not admit to it. I often joke with the girls that they have a trike driver boyfriend. They ALL roll up their eyes and say "NO!" Same thing as the US. IMO, most girls do not want to admit that they want to seriously date a guy that works at McDonalds.

Have many times barhopped with western friends and its almost impossible to get any attention from the few younger, attractive, slim girls,

More BS. Just get the mamassan to point their green laser at the girls, and they will come and sit with you. They may not agree to the barfine, but they will definitely will want a ladys drink. Some girls are Korean only (especially at the Korean bars), some girls have sponsors / boyfriends (especially at XS). At the ex-pat bars, the girls will barfine with Westerners.

girls are fighting each other to sit with them,

No they don't; or at least not to the scale that you are implying. How are they fighting. The girls usually act aloof, usually not desperate. They act calm. The mamasan will usually bring over the girls, for the Koreans to choose.

Actually, the couple of times I remember girls going crazy is when 2 young (I guess good looking) White guys walked into the bar.

westerners are at the bottom of the list.

For some of the girls. I admit, I do not know the percentages. It's funny that some guys here have to find a reason for the Westerners not being the preferred choice.

The funny thing is that I agree with your sentiment in a lot of the areas, but not to the degree and exaggeration that you state.

[Jarango]

10 k a day for everything else Ferrari and not with a Fiat 500.

Hey Mr Alfa Romeo / Lamborghini / Masarati man What are you going to splurge 10 k a day on? Why not drop it to 4 k and give me the rest? I'll write poems to Alberto Adcari and Nino Farina for that, and sing you Bella Ciaio, Bandiera Rossa and Arivederci Roma better than Pavarotti himself as many times as you like. Make it 7 k for me and I'll wear a knock off Italian football shirt for as long as you are in town. Either way, just enjoy yourself.

[Medellin65]

On my messenger profile, on wapp and instagram I have at least fifty contacts: bargirls, freelancers, students, shop assistants, girls next door, ready to enter my bed for 2/3 k LT. Doesn't this seem like a sufficient number? Tell me where in your country you have so many options, without considering the barfines that can be done and fishing in shopping centers or discos.

Of course, Angeles is no longer what it once was but the whole world has changed and we have had to adapt everywhere. 10/12 years ago I took a young and beautiful pinay to bed with 1500 pesos. But it's true that I earned 1200/1300 euros a month. Now I earn 3000/3500 so the proportions remain almost unchanged if I have to pay 4000/4500 pesos.

[NapaSlapper]

Just one consideration. Economic availability makes a man more or less interesting in the eyes of girls. Both in AC and in the rest of the world. So the competition with K boy is won by playing the same game as them, "the ability to spend", and let me say that a little empathy with girls (which kboy lacks, can help a lot. For my part, I have planned a trip for the spring and with flight and hotel already paid in advance I will use my budget of around 10 k a day for everything else. I think it will be more than enough to spend 2 weeks taking advantage of beautiful girls whether they are bar girls what a freelancer. I conclude by saying that. If you want to win an F1 grand prix you have to compete with a Ferrari and not with a Fiat 500.

Not so easy, if you had been reading the forum of late you would have seen many members posts explaining why koreans are the girls go to choice, including koreans out number westerners by many many times with 500 more arriving every day to replace those that have just left, most if these koreans / japanese / chinese are on big company expense accounts, as many have said is hard if not impossible to compete with the likes of honda / toyota and the likes expense card.

But mostly money only plays a small part in who an angeles bargirl chooses, why fuck a 350 pound western guy who is old enough to be the girls grand daddy high on viagra and wants porn star perfomance all night long into the morning when she can choose a slim much younger korean that takes her out for food, clubbing, pays the same or more and many times does not even fuck the girl or is happy with a quick 1 pop and release so the bar girl has plenty of time to go back to the bar and secure a 2nd or 3rd paying asian punter, or just go hang with her pinoy husband / trike driver lover.

Have many times barhopped with western friends and its almost impossible to get any attention from the few younger, attractive, slim girls, barhop with koreans and the girls are fighting each other to sit with them, it is what it is, unfortunately girls choose their bed partners if at all and the westerners are at the bottom of the list.

As always, good luck with your your trip and plan to out spend the asians and please post a few photos and trip report.

[NapaSlapper]

Just one consideration. Economic availability makes a man more or less interesting in the eyes of girls. Both in AC and in the rest of the world. So the competition with K boy is won by playing the same game as them, "the ability to spend", and let me say that a little empathy with girls (which kboy lacks, can help a lot. For my part, I have planned a trip for the spring and with flight and hotel already paid in advance I will use my budget of around 10 k a day for everything else. I think it will be more than enough to spend 2 weeks taking advantage of beautiful girls whether they are bar girls what a freelancer. I conclude by saying that. If you want to win an F1 grand prix you have to compete with a Ferrari and not with a Fiat 500.

Not so easy, if you had been reading the forum of late you would have seen many members posts explaining why koreans are the girls go to choice, including koreans out number westerners by many many times with 500 more arriving every day to replace those that have just left, most if these koreans / japanese / chinese are on big company expense accounts, as many have said is hard if not impossible to compete with the likes of honda / toyota and the likes expense card.

But mostly money only plays a small part in who an angeles bargirl chooses, why fuck a 350 pound western guy who is old enough to be the girls grand daddy high on viagra and wants porn star perfomance all night long into the morning when she can choose a slim much younger korean that takes her out for food, clubbing, pays the same or more and many times does not even fuck the girl or is happy with a quick 1 pop and release so the bar girl has plenty of time to go back to the bar and secure a 2nd or 3rd paying asian punter, or just go hang with her pinoy husband / trike driver lover.

Have many times barhopped with western friends and its almost impossible to get any attention from the few younger, attractive, slim girls, barhop with koreans and the girls are fighting each other to sit with them, it is what it is, unfortunately girls choose their bed partners if at all and the westerners are at the bottom of the list.

As always, good luck with your your trip and plan to out spend the asians and please post a few photos and trip report.

[Medellin65]

Wait a moment, you have not been in angeles for over 8 years but know what's going on in angeles as of now? The mind boggles.

Take a few moments to read through the forums last 50 pages, I think you will find that anyone who has been in Angeles recently and have made a report are all saying quality is well down, drinks only girls and Asian only girls are way up, runners, short time only girls are alive and well, many of the slim ok looking girls only barfine with Asians or not at all, its all there to read if you take the time.

The blanket statement of Angeles city has something for everyone used by a certain couple of angeles appologists does not stand up to reason, why, nobody knows another guys taste in women so cannot speak for others in reality.

Maybe making a recent visit and seeing what is actually going on will have you singing a different tune, I await your trip report.

Just one consideration. Economic availability makes a man more or less interesting in the eyes of girls. Both in AC and in the rest of the world. So the competition with K boy is won by playing the same game as them, "the ability to spend", and let me say that a little empathy with girls (which kboy lacks, can help a lot. For my part, I have planned a trip for the spring and with flight and hotel already paid in advance I will use my budget of around 10 k a day for everything else. I think it will be more than enough to spend 2 weeks taking advantage of beautiful girls whether they are bar girls what a freelancer. I conclude by saying that. If you want to win an F1 grand prix you have to compete with a Ferrari and not with a Fiat 500.

[Dg8787]

For a number's check, you went there way too late. You seem to double down on your mistakes, like the "Lolipop" example.

I say with 98% probability, you are not even in Angeles now.

I would double down on the balance of 2%. It's just another Ed rerun.