Angeles City

[Goferring]

Where are all these pinays who got rich with kboys money?

It's exceedingly rare to find a hooker in Asia who has made and kept a good sized nest egg. They tend to be very frivolous with their money and can go through it like water. What ever remains, family, boyfriend's and friends will quickly consume. The only girls I know who maged to get ahead by hooking are those that distanced themselves from their family and old friends. However, these are very strong bonds to break.

Even the IG girls are flying Business to Dubai for their glamour posts on Daddy's dime, not money they have saved up so that they can afford to work in the high income areas.

Cheers. G.

[NapaSlapper]

Here's a video worth your time. A show inside Shooters. I don't even really like Shooters that much. In the first group. 3 do-able, 1 superstar. In the second group, black tape, most are do-able, with 3 superstars. See any Koreans in the crowd? No, not that I care. Keep telling people AC isn't worth your time. I'm counting down the days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62t0Y-09KNA

You are kidding right?

Not sure who would travel half way around the world and actually pay anything for this type of girl quality.

Not trying to be mean, if your happy with this quality then ill leave them all to you, enjoy.

[FuriousGeorge]

It's a relative term. I count 4 AC superstars here (not in that first group). Who will do you bare for cheap or free. If that's not your jam, ok, become a billionaire and date a Victoria's Secret model.

Also nobody said this was the top tier of girls in AC. But this is a pretty typical lineup of what you’ll find in a western bar.

Superstars?! Well I am not trying to be a Prude. But have you considered Jakarta Indo? Place like Classic has ladies that Blow the Ballz off the Quality of the YouTube video of Shooters here. True, I liked AC back in the day and the English speaking ladies is a plus. But if this is top tier for AC PI - I don't think I'll be back. Not trying to be mean. Just saying the Beauty factor is lacking in my opinion.

[Banana Boi]

Here's a video worth your time. A show inside Shooters. I don't even really like Shooters that much. In the first group. 3 do-able, 1 superstar. In the second group, black tape, most are do-able, with 3 superstars. See any Koreans in the crowd? No, not that I care. Keep telling people AC isn't worth your time. I'm counting down the days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62t0Y-09KNA

Hmmm, maybe I'm expecting too much? Maybe I just have different taste than guys who go to AC? I wouldn't even buy any of those girls a lady drink let alone bar fine them.

I see an old man walking around with a SLR? Is this normal? You can just take videos and photos with your camera? Another girl was shooting video on her phone.

But have you considered Jakarta Indo? Place like Classic has ladies that Blow the Ballz off the Quality of the YouTube video of Shooters here.

The bottom of the barrel girls at Classic, Travel, Malio, King Cross, etc blow away any of these girls. Luckily we all have different taste so every girl can make money.

[GentileBear]

In the first group. 3 do-able, 1 superstar. In the second group, black tape, most are do-able, with 3 superstars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62t0Y-09KNA

Superstars?! Well I am not trying to be a Prude. But have you considered Jakarta Indo? Place like Classic has ladies that Blow the Ballz off the Quality of the YouTube video of Shooters here. True, I liked AC back in the day and the English speaking ladies is a plus. But if this is top tier for AC PI - I don't think I'll be back. Not trying to be mean. Just saying the Beauty factor is lacking in my opinion.

[NapaSlapper]

I've lived in Korea for a number of years, so I know the people well. As someone who is knowledgeable about the country, there are a few things that you might have overlooked in your analysis.

For instance, I happen to know that the youth in this country have a very large disposable income. Many of the young people who earn the relatively low average salary still have lots of disposable income because they have no bills. This might sound crazy to Westerners, but It's the norm in Korea to live with one's parents until marriage, and with marriage rates declining in Korea, more young men are living with their moms and dads well into middle age. No rent, no vehicle loan, free food and utilities, and a family phone plan mean that these young people have their entire salary to save or spend as they please. And unlike in America, in Korea there's no shame whatsoever with living with one's mom and dad. In fact, it's seen as financially prudent and socially beneficial.

I also know that the average salary mentioned by Banana Boi is just that, an average. And as it's an average taken across the entire country, including the poorer half who live outside the greater Seoul region, it skews low. Imagine how much higher the average income would be if you were to remove the poorest 10% or 20% from the equation. Without counting struggling farmers, unskilled construction workers, janitorial staff, food delivery men and the like, the true average increases by quite a bit.

Of course, the average is pulled in the other direction by the highest income earners, but they don't make as much as you might think. As many people already know, money earned from investment is not considered income. Thus the richest multi-millionaires and billionaires aren't actually included in the math at all. And even those with real estate investments (those who collect rent from tenants, which could be considered income) aren't counted because the vast majority live off of bank loans and use the collected rents to pay down these loans and thus avoid paying income tax altogether.

This is all to say that Koreans inclined to go on an international holiday, even to a place like Angeles City, almost certainly live in Seoul, probably earn well above the national average, and have plenty of disposable income.

Have to agree with your detailed explanation 100%.

I too have visited Korea on business trips, have hosted many korean business associates from Korea here in angeles, have quite a few korean business owner friends here who I often bar hop with.

I findn the koreans to be humble, extremely polite and easy to get along with and extremely generous.

Yes they party in slightly different ways to westerners but for sure their way plays into their hands as they are always with the better looking, slim, younger girls, there is no denying that.

Yes many westerners take exception at their massive numbers in angeles and are envious of their popularity by the angeles bar girls, I have no problem with it, I have already come to terms with what angeles has become and am at peace with that, as I previously said, for those of us that live here then we are not going without pussy, one just need to find other ways to get get laid, spend enough time here and most find a wife, girlfriend that is not a working girl and much higher quality than what is found in most bars.

[FuriousGeorge]

Here's a video worth your time. A show inside Shooters. I don't even really like Shooters that much. In the first group. 3 do-able, 1 superstar. In the second group, black tape, most are do-able, with 3 superstars. See any Koreans in the crowd? No, not that I care. Keep telling people AC isn't worth your time. I'm counting down the days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62t0Y-09KNA

[MoonShot]

That is a lot of posts about the Koreans. I would just say focus on yourself and don't worry about the Koreans. When I am in Angeles, I don't worry about the Koreans and what they do or don't do. I just try my best to have fun. I don't interact with them and they don't bother me so it's all good.

Now, if you're not happy with Angeles City, remember that the PI is not just Angeles City. I don't spend as much time anymore in Angeles City. I have been visiting Cebu and working the online dating sites. It takes a bit more work but I am happy with the results.

[Bonjovi3]

I will assume that the Korean and Japanese men who go to AC and Makati are the same demographics hitting Thailand, Vietnam, etc. That means they are in their 20's. Salary men from Korea and Japan DO NOT have big expense accounts. In fact, their income is very low compared to USA or Europe. Average wage for a salary man in his 20s in Korea is under 30k USD. A bit higher for Japan but still under 35 k USD. This is pre-tax! In other words, they do not have much disposable income. The problem is when a girl quotes them ridiculous prices they will say yes cause it's much cheaper than back home and there is no art of negotiation in Japan or Korea.

I've lived in Korea for a number of years, so I know the people well. As someone who is knowledgeable about the country, there are a few things that you might have overlooked in your analysis.

For instance, I happen to know that the youth in this country have a very large disposable income. Many of the young people who earn the relatively low average salary still have lots of disposable income because they have no bills. This might sound crazy to Westerners, but It's the norm in Korea to live with one's parents until marriage, and with marriage rates declining in Korea, more young men are living with their moms and dads well into middle age. No rent, no vehicle loan, free food and utilities, and a family phone plan mean that these young people have their entire salary to save or spend as they please. And unlike in America, in Korea there's no shame whatsoever with living with one's mom and dad. In fact, it's seen as financially prudent and socially beneficial.

I also know that the average salary mentioned by Banana Boi is just that, an average. And as it's an average taken across the entire country, including the poorer half who live outside the greater Seoul region, it skews low. Imagine how much higher the average income would be if you were to remove the poorest 10% or 20% from the equation. Without counting struggling farmers, unskilled construction workers, janitorial staff, food delivery men and the like, the true average increases by quite a bit.

Of course, the average is pulled in the other direction by the highest income earners, but they don't make as much as you might think. As many people already know, money earned from investment is not considered income. Thus the richest multi-millionaires and billionaires aren't actually included in the math at all. And even those with real estate investments (those who collect rent from tenants, which could be considered income) aren't counted because the vast majority live off of bank loans and use the collected rents to pay down these loans and thus avoid paying income tax altogether.

This is all to say that Koreans inclined to go on an international holiday, even to a place like Angeles City, almost certainly live in Seoul, probably earn well above the national average, and have plenty of disposable income.

[Jarango]

Where are all these pinays who got rich with kboys money? ... I have many contacts on Facebook, Instagram and Wapp and when they show me the places where they live I see poverty and misery... In Italy ... Bottom line. For me spending 5 k php for a LT with a young pinay

Medellin, You disappoint me. Angles, "our" part, is a transient population. They come, they get tatted up and they leave. Those who have sound business sense can do well. I have met them, they know they can make big and steady bucks and they settle in. One of them, not a hooker, has married her daughters off the medium level EU diplomats. Another, a hooker, has a thriving pig business in Visayas.

I look at the single moms on Pinay and I almost weep for them, doomed as they are.

We all love Italy but you are not in Italy. Pay local prices and blend in. When in Rome.

Why are you doing tours of slums to see where they live? That is simply life.

[Medellin65]

Where are all these pinays who got rich with kboys money? Perhaps a few dozen compared to the hundreds perhaps thousands of Pinays living in Angeles City. I have many contacts on Facebook, Instagram and Wapp and when they show me the places where they live I see poverty and misery and almost all of them are desperate due to the difficulty of paying the rent or buying enough food for them and their families. So Angeles still offers the possibility for us Westerners to "buy sex" on the cheap. In Italy if you want to have fun for 1 hour with a beautiful young girl the prices start from 150/200 euros, unless you are satisfied with a road one which still costs you 50 euros (3000 php) for a 15 minute quickie. Bottom line. For me spending 5 k php for a LT with a young pinay girl is still a good deal, I know it's cynical to say but it's true.

[Jarango]

I lived in Japan for 3 years and had this Japanese co-worker. He would have to save up money for 2 months, just to monger with one girl every other month. Prices in Japan are CRAZY! MANY Clubs won't allow foreigners inside. We were able to get into some whenever he was with us. One bar we went to had like a $100 (US) cover charge and to take the girl across the street to the hotel for 1 hour was $300 (US).

Japan, like the United States or anywhere else, has horses ad hookers for courses. It is awash with love hotels and its hooker industry is vibrant, as is that of the USA, with its lot lizards. A lot of Japanese do ok and are not on that kind of gross money. They get short holidays and some of them will use it to bang Thai and Pinay hookers. Most will not pay that stupid prices and it is silly to think they do.

I spoke to a European night club owner and I asked him if he got many VIPs and. Or old creeps. He said yes but lots of ordinary dicks save up for a month and then blow it all in a night, acting large.

Like it or lump it, Pampanga is now a major Korean monger destination.

I said in an earlier message, the hotel I stay at has Korean phone numbers. It also has a KAKAO ID but no wattsapp or viber. Kakao seems to be it in Korea but it gets awful reviews.

Here are the airlines using Clark and their destinations Korea is it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_...tional_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations.

[WestCoast1]

One bar we went to had like a $100 (US) cover charge and to take the girl across the street to the hotel for 1 hour was $300 (US).

I have friends in the US who go back to the Redbook website days (2000's) were giving $200/ hour 20 years ago, $300/ hour pre-covid (Redbook closed down around 2014-15), and covid / post-covid its $500/ hour (with fewer girls available) for college-age hotties. That's a clock-watched hour, +condom, 1-pop ends the session, money given in advance. Another guy I knew but lost touch with around the mid-2010's utilized Playboy-material lookers in LA and NY. I nearly choked one day when he said something like this when I asked him what they cost: "In the good old days in the 90's it was $500. Now I don't touch anything under $1000 an hour. I know guys who pay five times that" for the same 1 hour. Do recall a former NY Attorney General and Governor who was caught paying $ thousands per hour for the fancy flesh.

While I prefer the lower end of the $ for my feminine company, I find it odd that some of the gents on ISG rail against ladies in poor countries who happen to command a pretty penny with high-end clientele.

[PIpimp]

I will assume that the Korean and Japanese men who go to AC and Makati are the same demographics hitting Thailand, Vietnam, etc. That means they are in their 20's. Salary men from Korea and Japan DO NOT have big expense accounts. In fact, their income is very low compared to USA or Europe. Average wage for a salary man in his 20s in Korea is under 30k USD. A bit higher for Japan but still under 35 k USD. This is pre-tax! In other words, they do not have much disposable income. The problem is when a girl quotes them ridiculous prices they will say yes cause it's much cheaper than back home and there is no art of negotiation in Japan or Korea.

I lived in Japan for 3 years and had this Japanese co-worker. He would have to save up money for 2 months, just to monger with one girl every other month. Prices in Japan are CRAZY! MANY Clubs won't allow foreigners inside. We were able to get into some whenever he was with us. One bar we went to had like a $100 (US) cover charge and to take the girl across the street to the hotel for 1 hour was $300 (US).

[JordCo]

I will assume that the Korean and Japanese men who go to AC and Makati are the same demographics hitting Thailand, Vietnam, etc. That means they are in their 20's. Salary men from Korea and Japan DO NOT have big expense accounts. In fact, their income is very low compared to USA or Europe. Average wage for a salary man in his 20s in Korea is under 30k USD. A bit higher for Japan but still under 35 k USD. This is pre-tax! In other words, they do not have much disposable income. The problem is when a girl quotes them ridiculous prices they will say yes cause it's much cheaper than back home and there is no art of negotiation in Japan or Korea.

Right. Whereas it might have happened for a few mid or senior level employees a few times, then get's reported as the norm. 95% of them aren't successful enough to be having extravagant weekend trips paid for by their company. Work culture in Japan and Korea is you'll bust your ass for us and you'll be grateful. They're not being flown around Asia every weekend on luxury holidays. Far from it.

However they do come in groups and they do overspend on girls, but let's not exaggerate it here.

Also men in general still have more leverage over women in Korea. Not like the west. If anyone is ruining the scene all around the world it's the Western simps sponsoring these girls they'll never meet in real life. This is 90% a Western thing and has had a far bigger effect overall when it comes to availability of girls.