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03-13-18 04:01 #17950
Posts: 1065My March tour in Kiev
This is a quick report on my last tour. I tried few different sources to find proper girls but eventually struck with GIA. The point is that I prefer longer session about four hours or even longer, but never keep the girl overnight. Lack of BBBJ, DATY and DFK are deal breakers for me. There are a couple of optional requirements: freshly shaved / epilated pussy and DIGITS. I am not a big fan of GREEK, but I like to have this option to know that I am not restricted if I want to.
There is a belief that GIA is a very expensive option. It is expensive if you book the girls for one hour and don't care about DFK and BBBJ. However, if you prefer to stay longer, GIA prices look quite reasonable. A four-hour session with DFK, BBBJ, DATY and more start at 8000 UAH, which means modest 2000 UAH / hour.
I tried another agency that supposed to be more affordable than GIA. The girls are ranged between 1500 and 2500 UAH / HR, which is significantly less than GIA's first-hour range between 4000 and 6000 UAH / HR. But GIA's rate includes DFK and BBBJ. That "affordable" agency charges +1000 UAH for DFK and +1000 UAH for BBBJ. It brings the price up to 4000 UAH / HR. No words on DATY and DIGITS, no confidence in girls' look and service and each hour cost the same: 4000 UAH. It means that four-hour session with my minimal abbreviations will fall to 16000 UAH, which is twice more expensive that GIA's entry level 8000 UAH / HR.
After those very simple calculations, I called GIA and never regret. As I book the girl, I ask the dispatch to make sure that DIGITS allowed, and the pussy is smooth. She always obliged.
I wanted to try something new and brought from Canada Nuru gel and Nuru plastic bed cover. I wanted to try Nuru FS with the Ukrainian girls since this service is crazy expensive in Toronto. If you don't know what Nuru means, google video "nuru massage" or even better "Asa Akira nuru massage" to find how sharp is that.
Below are my quick reviews. I speak both Russian and Ukrainian, so if I said "perfect talker" it means not in English, but in Russian mostly. I do not describe girls' appearance since photo and description on GIA's website are accurate.
Day 1. Zhanna, GIA.
Rather milfy, soft body. Great service: DFK, BBBJ with DT and BLS, CFS, DATY, FIV, FIA, GREEK, Pussy Slide, Italian. Everything was perfect. She accepted any positions in both FS and GREEK. I would say Zhanna was the best GREEK provider in that venue. Also, she is a perfect talker. Damage 10,000 UAH /4 hrs including extra for GREEK. The only girl in Kiev I repeat. I cannot explain why. She is neither really good looker nor the best performer, but it did click with her. Some special chemistry. Zhanna is rather soft PSE than GFE.
Day 2. Masha, GIA.
Really good looking girls. Perfect body. Formerly massage parlour attendant. She talked non-stop while massaged me but I did not listen. Some silly girly stuff. The massage was perfect. No FIA and very superficial FIV was allowed. DFK, BBBJ, no DT or BLS but great HJ on the balls and, perfect Body-Slide with the oil (she did not want to try Nuru gel. CFS in any positions. No GREEK. Damage 9500 UAH /4 hrs. No extras, just higher rate girl.
Day 3. Nastya, Indy.
She was recommended on the local forum. Perfect body, GND face, 23 years. Average skills. The first girl, I tried Nuru. She really liked it. Orgasmed few times due to tight body friction over her clit. This is normal in Nuru practice. DFK, BBBJ, FIV, CFS, perfect Body Slide with Nuru gel. I had to guide her through the process since her experience is still limited. GFE with some elements of PSE. Damage 6200 UAH / hrs including taxi. Definitely to repeat, but I am afraid that her price could go up because she is well reviewed and getting too popular.
Day 4. Nina, GIA.
The most sophisticated girls I saw in Kiev so far. She looks rather like an office lady than an escort girl. Perfect talker. I was quite tired after first three days of vigorous sex with two SOGs every day. So session with Nina started rather relaxing with lots of talking. But eventually it turned vigorous at the second SOG. She refused nuru and even oily body-slide blaming possible irritation on her skin. But the session was one of the best even without. Also we tried light FF with some moment going hard. I cum with FF deep into her throat, which is a very rare threat. FF+CIM with such a beautiful and innocent looking face is something I will remember for long time.
She was the first girl in this venue who did a shower for two. DFK, BBBJ + DT + FF + CIMx2, FIV, FIA, CFS, GREEK. The most expensive session of that venue: 12,200 UAH /5 hrs including GREEK and CIMx2. Very special girl. Real GFE performing many PSE abbreviations, which is a rare treat.
Day 5. Dominica the feature of the venue.
Dominica is the best reviewed GIA girl. She is known as the best performer, nymphomaniac, and a toy lower. First two hours she leads the session demonstrating virtually unlimited skills. Her service included all nasty stuff you can imagine excluding GREEK. Excellent BBBJ with DT, FF and gagging. Reverse FF with her laying on her back hanging her head down and me f**king her into the throat. Fisting initiated by her. 69 in very unusual positions, toys. Intensive FS with her multiple orgasms, vaginal muscles contractions, screaming and moaning.
I guided second round. I proposed Nuru massage followed with another intensive FS with all abbreviations. It was one of the best PSE sessions in my history. I mean real PSE, nothing about GFE. Damage 9500 UAH /4 hrs (8000 UAH base price, +1000 CIM, +500 tip for all those abbreviations that usually paid options but she never mentions about any extras). Definitely to repeat, Highly recommended for PSE lowers.
Day 6. Eva.
Initially, I tried to book Zhenia, but she refused my request about DIGITS. Eva was a plan be. She is a petite girl with the firm body and silky skin. All skills are average, but she followed all my guides and this makes the session great. After watching Nuru video with Asa Akira Eva enthusiastically accepted my proposal to try it. Nuru massage was originated in Japan and better suits petite girls. Eva with her petite stretched body and her enthusiasm was the best Nuru companion in that venue. We were playing each with other until all gel in the bottle gone and dried out on our bodies. The session lasted 5. 5 hours. Besides Nuru we did DFK, BBBJ with BLS and HJ, CFS, FIV, FIA, Body Slide. No DT, no FF. Eva is rather GFE. Some PSE elements were initiated by me and accepted by her. Damage 7350/5. 5 hrs. This is because she was 40 min late and according to GIA's policy they provided a generous discount.
Day 7. Repeat with Zhanna.
All in all, it was an exciting venue. Not cheap, but I got what I wanted and even more. I did not even try to find semi-pro on Mamba or Vkontakte. I prefer the shortest way: one call, one girl with no disappointments and unpleasant surprises.
It seems that my next venue will be based on GIA as well, but I will try some indys using reviews on local review board.
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03-13-18 00:58 #17949
Posts: 140But perhaps in Philadelphia a beautiful pussy is cheaper than in Kharkov?
Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
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03-12-18 22:37 #17948
Posts: 823Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
But why high quality Emeralds in Brazil are cheaper than in New York? Because it is closer to emerald mines, and mark up is certainly much lower because overhead is not as high yet. As you say the best gems are distributed globally, whoever can buy them. Still high quality emeralds are available and much cheaper in Brazil than in US.
Same applies to girls. Mulatto in New York is 2-3 times more expensive than in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paolo.
Is it easier to walk into a 47th street jewelry store, speak English and then pull out your credit card? Yes it is. The whole process is regulated and there is a cost of convenience.
Is it possible to do the same in Brazil? Yes. You would pay for round-trip flight, for hotel. Then H Stern marketing people will find you right there in the hotel lobby, even provide free transportation to their gorgeous showroom with complimentary caipirinha drinks, beautiful young earrings models and no obligation to buy anything.
Locals do not have to pay tourist expenses but for most of them salaries are much lower.
Same deal in Kiev. There are gems, some are hidden, some are not. Some are in private collections and not for sale anymore, some are still going to college and not traveling much but need to cover expenses.
Local boys may have easier access to girls and still need funds available to entertain this expense category.
Would I go buying emeralds next to the mine in Minas Gerais? No. Industrious Mr. H Stern himself went more than once, sometimes at considerable risk of getting shot.
To me Kiev represents a reasonable compromise between affordable basic life style in Sumy or Poltava and access to civilization spoils of large developed megalopolis.
It is basic supply-demand ratio. How much is the very same girl in Zhitomir vs. Kiev vs. Dubai? In Dubai she has to pay for her airfare, apartment or hotel etc. She is willing to do so hoping to get better compensated by high rollers from around the globe.
Do I want to go to Zhitomir or Dubai? Neither.
Someone explained it here already more than once in terms of average haircut cost or hourly attorney services fee.
I like my haircuts done in Kiev. I always chose better looking stylist and usually manage to get her phone number).
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03-12-18 21:30 #17947
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Volpone [View Original Post]
By my own observation it is under 2 years. Much shorter for apartment call girls. Seems to coincide with average tenure at GIA.
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03-12-18 17:53 #17946
Posts: 262Flawed thoughts.
Just that Ukraine has a large amount of beauties doesn't mean you can fuck a stunning beauty at a cheap price in Ukraine.
This is easy to understand.
Think about the reasons why you can't buy a diamond at a price of a stone in Kimberley, South Africa.
A diamond is a diamond and as long as a diamond can move globally with negligible marginal transport costs, it doesn't make much difference on its price wether you buy it in Kimberley or New York.
The 'stones' in Kiev might be much cheaper than in elsewhere but the 'diamonds' aren't.
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03-12-18 02:45 #17945
Posts: 446Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
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03-11-18 22:33 #17944
Posts: 823Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
Sincere unbiased clarification, Antony, agree with you on all points. Ukrainian ladies can be a gift from Heaven. Marrying them takes a lot of courage though.
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03-11-18 16:47 #17943
Posts: 1123Originally Posted by Tomek123 [View Original Post]EDITOR's NOTE: This member has been approved by the Forum Management as a "Local Area Guide". As such, he is permitted to offer and otherwise promote his guide services in his designated threads.
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03-11-18 16:10 #17942
Posts: 1123Originally Posted by Joeee14 [View Original Post]EDITOR's NOTE: This member has been approved by the Forum Management as a "Local Area Guide". As such, he is permitted to offer and otherwise promote his guide services in his designated threads.
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03-11-18 11:43 #17941
Posts: 220Originally Posted by Tomek123 [View Original Post]
In 2011 I met a young girl in Lviv. Ksenia. Student. Slim. Blond. Fresh from the countryside. Mamba. Cheap. In 2012 she went to Kiev. Worked there in an apartment. 600 UAH for one hour. She was ready for everything. Good kissing. Great blowjob. Fucking without a condom. Without further costs. In 2013 she became independent. Back in Mamba. 1000 UAH for a meeting. Then came the crisis. Maidan. Little money, hardly any customers. We met again for 1000 UAH. At that time, that was 30 euros. For a meeting of several hours. Not per hour. The bad time was over at the end of 2015. More tourists and business people came to Kiev. She suddenly wanted $ 100. In 2016 then 100 euros. In the middle of 2017, the price rose to $ 200. I refused a meeting. At the beginning of 2018, I wrote to Mamba again. With a fake profile. She wanted $ 300. No chance for negotiations.
At first she was a pretty girl. Naturally. Good manners. Good style. Tasteful clothes. But in the past two years she has had several cosmetic surgeries. The nose. She also wanted silicone breasts. The behavior became more and more outrageous. I do not like the current photos on Mamba anymore. Barby doll.
And of course she is not 23 years old. Easy to find on Mamba.
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03-10-18 23:12 #17940
Posts: 262Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
However I still do believe that the skin colour of the girls does play a major role in mongering, not only in short term but also long term.
Indeed, from a westerners perspective, the skin colour might not be a primary concern and it doesn't make much difference whether a beauty is white, Latin, or Asian. However, people from certain cultural backgrounds, for example some Asian or middle eastern countries, do have a strong preference of white girls and, in particular, Slavic girls. In the country where I'm originally from, if you marry a Ukrainian or Russian girl, it is considered as a extraordinarily great honour and you will find yourself on newspapers (not only some local tabloids, but also some major newspapers). This perception of Slavic pussies is becoming more widely spread due to the development of the internet media. With the increase of both the wealth of people from these countries and the convenience of international traveling, they are flying to Ukraine at a great and constantly expanding amount, either for short-term mongering, or for long-term relationship or marriage.
So it is important to understand that when we are talking about sex travellers in Ukraine, we are not just talk about people from Europe, Canada, or US, we are also talking about Arabians, Chinese, and Indian, not to mention the local men who have become richer than before. Besides, the population of Ukraine is in decrease, which means the pussy resources are decreasing while the demand is expanding.
Of course, it is still possible to succeed in Kiev, but the chances are becoming less and more efforts are required to be put in for ordinary mongers. The chances of getting super hot ones have dropped even more greatly. The game is changing and will continue to change.
BTW, I knew from my family that, around the years when I was born (1996), there were a good number of Russian and maybe also Ukrainian beauties flowing to my town, begging for something to eat. Most of them worked in local restaurants as waitresses, and customers can touch their butts and boobs without any problem. Good old days. Unfortunately, as a newly born baby, I was too young to fuck them. If were born a couple of years early, I would be able to fuck Russian beauties with ease in my own town, without the need to fly to Moscow or Kiev, haha.
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03-10-18 21:35 #17939
Posts: 46A warning to all.
I just wanted to share a story of a situation that happened to me last week in Kiev.
I was selling my phone on OLX and got a call from a guy that would transfer the money immediately to my card and then send a courier to pick up the phone.
The message arrived that the funds had been transferred and the courier came and picked up the phone.
I had a bad feeling so I called the bank to make sure that the money had arrived. It hadn't.
I called the police and they explained to me that people from jail have been running this scam for a while and even if they traced the phone to that jail, they would not be able to find out which inmate was using the phone that called me and that they keep changing couriers so they are untraceable as well.
So a word to the wise: Either go with cash on the spot, or call your bank or go online if you have online banking to make sure that the funds are there, because even though it might seem that you received a legit message from your bank, you might have been a victim of fraud.
And the only way that you can legitimately recover the phone if they do decide to pursue, is by keeping a record of the serial number, which I did not keep since I bought it from a friend without the box and he has no recollection of the serial number.
Hope it helps.
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03-10-18 20:15 #17938
Posts: 823Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
In the grand scheme of things to many of us it doesn't matter if pussy is white Ukrainian, or tan Ukrainian, or mulatto Ukrainian, or even not Ukrainian at all. Girls attitude towards making us happy matters the most, how she is raised. Skin color is certainly secondary. Human being is human being. Besides Ukrainians are so diverse!
As Riina pointed out AntonySun's explanation is applicable to short term tourists. Those almost inevitably pay extra, and hope it's worth it. And if their unrealistic expectations do not materialize, and result in a hustle with no overwhelming pleasure, then they complain on this Forum. Arriving for the first time and hitting the ground running is not that frequent nowadays but still possible, especially for confident gentlemen, that succeed globally.
For longer term visitors, or those that already established connections from prior visits, the outlook seems more optimistic. Both in terms of available resources quality and required investment of time and funds.
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03-10-18 11:22 #17937
Posts: 2844Cheapest in Europe?
Originally Posted by KainNYC [View Original Post]
http://www.moldovahostels.com/phone/index.html
Check Tiraspol under Moldova here on ISG for Slavic, Russian Girls.
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03-09-18 22:10 #17936
Posts: 262Originally Posted by Tomek123 [View Original Post]