Kyiv

[PedroToronja]

It all depends on where you are and the time of day. Even oligarchs wear ties during the day.

I hit Kiev in 2004, spent probably 3-4 years in total in Ukraine and have about 1200 names and numbers in my Ukrainian mobile phone, please do tell me how it really is.

Cruiser, from your posts I take it that you are very knowledgeable of the place. The issue of tie or not is not quite important, but it is (at least) the fashion for the past 2 years or so. It was true this morning in Volkonsky in Passage, it was on the posters of the politicians running on the past election, on the guys sitting on the back of the Maybacks, Mercedes, etc. Also in Passage (the drivers and bodyguards do wear ties). It was the case last night in Buddah (amazing hookers at the bar, as usual). Again, this is just an observation and not truly important.

[BeeDiddy]

Anyone with experience from this girl? Told me she is not into P4P when we had lunch. I need to qualify with time. Model that just turned 18. I checked her passport. PM if you know her but do not wish to take it here.

B.

Haha, what is that girl going to model for? Halloween costumes?

[Prosal]

In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here.

Right, but as Pedro rightly said to overdo is as bad as dressing too low. Best is to look fashionable and refined, but not obsessed with it. That is why IMO intentionally wearing a suit in a club is ludicrous. We're not in the 90s anymore. Now a sex-weaned foreigner who dress like a "biznessman" solely with the intention to impress is rather a subject of mockery.

[Member #4274]

To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly. Of course, being well-groomed doesn't compensate a lack of self-confidence, charm, witt or poise. But you can have those qualities AND have taste in the way you dress.

About the 200us$ teacher, let me disagree also. Dyevs, whatever their social class, their age group or their expectations, inevitably dress to the tens when they go out, and for most of them anything less than a similarly well-appointed guy is not a guy worth fucking. It's a question of self-respect. Especially if you're a foreigner. Coming from the West, you CAN'T convince a Russian girl that you don't like or can't afford to dress well. It's beyond her comprehension. It has been said many many times here, dressing style is even more important than looks in this part of the world.

BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.

You seem to forget that Russia, Ukraine, ect are definitely class societies and you want (you must) to show everybody which class you are in. The fashion issue is an unending issue in FSU. Russian (and Ukrainian for that matter) girls are second to none in their obsession with it. I agree that they are very superficial in that respect.

As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.

I could not agree more with this post! As someone who has spent time in Budapest, Kiev and Minsk I know Eastern and Central European women love a well dressed man. In fact most women from all cultures do. I know a very sexy Russian girl from St. Petersburg who now lives in my city in Canada. Her name is Viktoria. She told me when she was living in Russia she met with a Canadian guy in SPB that she met off of the internet. According to her the guy dressed terrible and she was astonished as he was from the west and surely could afford better clothes. Needless to say she never met with him again. What is more, most men in Ukraine and Belarus dress like shit or can't afford to dress better than they do. In these countries dressing like you have money usually means you have money and the ladies here (I am in Minsk right now) love it. Especially if you're sponsoring some young hottie. Her being seen with a well dressed guy from the west is a status symbol for her and that only works out well for you in the end!

Let me refer back to Viktoria. When I came into the office wearing a Lacoste polo, a smart pair of dress pants and well made leather dress shoes she said 'Oh, the girls in Minsk are going to like you! ' And they do. I wear clothes you can't get in these countries, only in the west. You don't have to wear Armani. That's ridiculous! If you want some advice on what or where to buy clothes send me a PM. I have some great suggestions (and no I don't work for a retail company so can the hate mail!). Just keep in mind what I said. In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here. Good luck, gentlemen!

[Harry Hardman]

You're very funny with this "Blink" thing in your reports.

LJ, I am humming the immigrant song for you, and then you can maybe figure out approximately where I come from.

Yea, we always have to talk to the girls before we take them home, don't we. There can be bitches everywhere. But I am glad to read that you found many sweet girls in the pay for play venues. If one likes to "hunt" in a hard core prostitution environment, it is always nice if there is some atmosphere and some friendly people. I agree, it can be comfortable to shoot fish in a barrel. One parameter is already taken care of so to speak. You can be pretty sure they will f*ck you unless you smell or are a bastard. The parameter of what they will do is almost always a trade off with girls who took the step and publicly works as prostitutes. They will for sure almost always have some "rule" that their imaginary pride or health are hung up on. But we horny dogs can take that as long as they are friendly or pretend to be friendly at least. I will remember to talk to the girl next time I get a lap dance. Will be tough but the things we do not put ourselves through to have some variation in the barba-burgers we dive in to. A newfound friend told me you can either touch the girl up or wank off in the dance boot. The napkins in the one boot I had a dance in, during my visit to Kiev, indicates that not everyone go for touching the female. I tried to do a little bit of both and no alarm went off. I forgot the name of that club but the girl was pretty. An 8. 36 in my book. Blink.

In shooters I met a couple of very friendly girls. I do not think they where hard core pros because we where dancing and partying all night. I was drained and normally do not like to fuck after a bottle of vodka anyway, but got some numbers that I did not follow up on properly. I love the hunt. Woff. Since some speak of skin color here, it seems like they sometimes will refuse entry for people with darker skin and hair. But I would still try Shooters because it is great fun. Vodka bar is more edgy with more drunk, young Ukraine boys but still good fun. My ISG buddy almost got into a fight over a female but a knight saved him before it got serious. Later the same Ukrainian guys where fighting someone else, and then choose to take a punch at the guards so I imagine at least the little cocky prick where in sever pain after the six guards where done.

This was the view that kept me dancing, even after the bottles started to fly all around us. Nice girl with sexy moves but Barba and his agent buddy slipped and failed with her and her big tit friend. Anyone else know them?

B.

[Harry Hardman]

I hate to tell you all this: Racism is alive and well in Ukraine. Haven't you heard about? : a black guy from USA embassy jogging around town was harassed and beaten up by the Kiev police. And a Korean guy was killed in Kharkov?

I am African American and I actually been here in Kiev for 1 month and will be here for 2 more months. I have wesley snipes complexion (very dark) but like to think I have a really cool style when it comes to fashion. Pedro was right in the sense of not walking by yourself at night out of crowded areas downtown and nearby clubs or bars. Now granted I will be honest. I have only been out 1 time since I have been here and that was to TGI Fridays with a puerto rican friend of mines. I got stares from women but none in which I could actually decipher and I kept walking. I chose not to speak cause I figured they either did not speak english or would not speak to me in fear of ukranian men watching them or something. (that was my reasoning). Now I could have been wrong but if you step out. You will get stares from men also (some good, some bad). In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black. Now they can go off what women may tell them or darker complexion friends they may have went out with. Climax kindly gave me pointers also as to what to expect here and you get mixed reviews. Some guys here will say ukranian women love darker complexion guys because you would be considered exotic, some guys will tell you ukranian women may or may not talk to you. I decided to use mamba and banged 2 chicks. Both about 6 or 7 in my book, but they were both freebies simply because they were fascinated with black men. I got a few messages from women who said they are not into black men so it's a toss up. While you are in town. Let me know and I may hang with you. Granted I have not stepped foot in a single club or bar except TGI Fridays. I am still earning this place

[Prosal]

Sad to see how so many here are discussing how to impress on the females with these shoes or that brand of clothes. Sure it is fine to dress well and feel like a winner, but get some self esteem guys. A monthly salary for a teacher is 200 USD. No need to wear Armani unless your ego needs this to be able to talk to a girl.

To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly. Of course, being well-groomed doesn't compensate a lack of self-confidence, charm, witt or poise. But you can have those qualities AND have taste in the way you dress.

About the 200us$ teacher, let me disagree also. Dyevs, whatever their social class, their age group or their expectations, inevitably dress to the tens when they go out, and for most of them anything less than a similarly well-appointed guy is not a guy worth fucking. It's a question of self-respect. Especially if you're a foreigner. Coming from the West, you CAN'T convince a Russian girl that you don't like or can't afford to dress well. It's beyond her comprehension. It has been said many many times here, dressing style is even more important than looks in this part of the world.

BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.

ISG is the place where men create fantasy versions of a country, and the need to qualify for the females are always an ingredient in every fantasy incarnation I see.

You seem to forget that Russia, Ukraine, ect are definitely class societies and you want (you must) to show everybody which class you are in. The fashion issue is an unending issue in FSU. Russian (and Ukrainian for that matter) girls are second to none in their obsession with it. I agree that they are very superficial in that respect.

As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.

[Prosal]

BTW - pleats are currently back in fashion.

You must be attempting humour here.

[DoctorOral]

I can test her for you. Tonight, if you want! PM me with details, I will post or PM you my report.

Anyone with experience from this girl? Told me she is not into P4P when we had lunch. I need to qualify with time. Model that just turned 18. I checked her passport. PM if you know her but do not wish to take it here.

B.

[Member #4491]

Anyone with experience from this girl? Told me she is not into P4P when we had lunch. I need to qualify with time. Model that just turned 18. I checked her passport. PM if you know her but do not wish to take it here.

B.

[Member #4491]

Spoken like someone with his sights set on average. Enjoy.

CD, try to see beyond you own need to come across as a winner in every post you make, and read what I am actually writing. A looser in a suit is still a looser. Most women will choose a self secure man / winner rather than a well dressed looser. Powerful DNA and self distance prevails. Only the females with equally corrupt and weak egos will stare herself blind on the brand of the suit. Real quality females will rarely fall for the cheap expensive suit trick (especially not if you look outside the [CodeWord140] poor sheit holes of this globe). Where a man has collected the 1200 numbers is irrelevant if one can see the bigger picture / patterns. I guess it all depends on how you define "average". Most men are pathetic in their anxious and vain need to impress (mostly themselves).

I agree that a bad dressed looser is perhaps the absolute worst combination for scoring pretty girls. And to dress well will rarely hurt the cause, even though Prosal has a point about being the club clown. Females are attracted to recourses (financial, intellectual etc). If you project an image of controlling resources by any mean, they will be attracted to you. The most impressive resource controller is perhaps a humoristic, financially independent and intelligent man with a good portion of self distance, yet in touch with the monkey that will f*ck her like the female she is. Or is this just my own vanity speaking?

All the best from Barba (who did not wear jeans since the mid 90s)

[Cruiser D]

Spoken like someone with his sights set on average. Enjoy.

Sad to see how so many here are discussing how to impress on the females with these shoes or that brand of clothes. Sure it is fine to dress well and feel like a winner, but get some self esteem guys. A monthly salary for a teacher is 200 USD. No need to wear Armani unless your ego needs this to be able to talk to a girl. And of you are trying to impress prostitutes with your clothes, you are in serious need of some coaching.

Either I was warped to another Ukraine, or guys here believe all the shit these girls try to fill them with. Take command and be a positive and interesting guy, and you can wear almost whatever you wish and still meet great girls. ISG is the place where men create fantasy versions of a country, and the need to qualify for the females are always an ingredient in every fantasy incarnation I see.

[Cruiser D]

I generally have one of my girls call one of the various taxi dispatchers for me.

Otherwise I try to keep it to under 30uah in the center. If one taxi is too high just say no and go to the next.

Look. Plese do not do this! Learn Russian numbers for taxi, do NEVER pay more than 50 unless going to the airport!

We need to keep it real, so HELP, all of you!

[Cruiser D]

My success must be unique to me.

See you at the club with the Afflication shirt and bling on.

BTW - pleats are currently back in fashion, although it was never a look I liked.

Well, depends of the suit. An 1500€ Roberto Cavalli, Pal Zileri or Zegna suit (slim cut, straight pants, two buttons, ect) and a 500$ out of date three buttons suit with pleat-front pants (or worse, cuffs) are two very different things. Slavic girls are VERY fashion-conscious and are very good at jauging what you wear (and very fast to write you off if they judge that you are cheap and has-been).

Recently I bumped into the photo galleries of the famous "romance tours in Ukraine" organized for yanks by Anastasia dot com (or something alike) and I ROTFLOL just to see how most of the guys were dressed, that is with outmoded and cheap suits.

Anyway, I don't imagine myself wearing a suit in a club, but as usual, to each its own.

[Cruiser D]

It all depends on where you are and the time of day. Even oligarchs wear ties during the day.

I hit Kiev in 2004, spent probably 3-4 years in total in Ukraine and have about 1200 names and numbers in my Ukrainian mobile phone, please do tell me how it really is.

I happen to be the president of a corporation and I dress usually with suit or at least a blazer, nice pants and wear a tie. A girl explained to me that the real rich men in this part of the world DO NOT wear a tie. The people who work for them wear ties. The rich (called oligarchs here) can afford a more casual look. The bottom line, if you dress up to impress, as we do in the West, it is interpreted here (I am in Kiev now) as a want to be.