Kyiv

[El Cubanito]

I understand what your saying here about women possibly being afraid to talk to you for fear of ukranian men being annoyed or whatever, but for what its worth I'm in Thailand 4 months of the year, and Thailand is full of Russian / ukrainians and they are often hand in hand with black guys / indians / arabs you name it, so to me I think your right in what you say, they are interested but afraid.

To be more precise in Pattaya, Thailand I met a brother at a McDonalds who was there with 2 ukrainian girls in his arm. I flirted a little with one of them and when he came back from the bathroom we talked and I sat to eat with them. When they were done, the one I was flirting with left her pocketbook (I think she did it on purpose). Anyway we chatted some more and she gave me her cell number. We hooked up later that day on the beach by Soi 7 and we had a great, great afternoon and evening. She lives over there in Thailand. I wish I had taken a picture, but no I did not. Meeting her in Thailand last year is one of the reason why I am going to the Ukraine.

[DoctorOral]

Look. Plese do not do this! Learn Russian numbers for taxi, do NEVER pay more than 50 unless going to the airport!

We need to keep it real, so HELP, all of you!

It is really funny with these taxis in Kiew. And somtimes tragic. Firstly, it is difficult to find english-speaking driver. Secondly, every car is a possible taxi. All over town, day and night, there are men sitting in cars, and if you approach them, they will ask you: Taxi? Thirdly, there is the price. I sometimes think the distance is totally irrelevant. Therefore, I always negotiate the price beforehand, even if I speak almost no Russian. Just name some hotel, restaurant, bar they know, and they will give you price. Minimum 40 for a foreigner. Now they are starting to demand 200 at night. Even the hookers were shocked and wanted another. If you find english speaking driver at night, he may want to take you to some clubs or saloons, he may also want to take care of all your trips. I once had and lost a tel number which I could call for taxi, english speaking, and he would tell me the exact and totally fair and cheap price (compared to street-prices) , and also tell me how long I would have to wait for the taxi to arrive. Does anyone know this? Fourthly, in the heat of the summer, like beginning of May, I would accept everything below 81 uah, but demand air conditioning. And don't be surpized, I find the drivers can have very creative navigation skills, especially around Maidan with its one-way-streets. Coming to Kiev for the first time, I don't regret that I had ordered a transfer from my landlord. Of course it is possible to negotiate with the drivers on site, but I am sure this was cheaper in the end. In this forum, someone mentioned a bus or some other transportation. Flying to Zhelany has made this a lot simpler.

[Guntherus]

It is really funny with these taxis in Kiew. And somtimes tragic. Firstly, it is difficult to find english-speaking driver. Secondly, every car is a possible taxi. All over town, day and night, there are men sitting in cars, and if you approach them, they will ask you: Taxi? Thirdly, there is the price. I sometimes think the distance is totally irrelevant. Therefore, I always negotiate the price beforehand, even if I speak almost no Russian. Just name some hotel, restaurant, bar they know, and they will give you price. Minimum 40 for a foreigner. Now they are starting to demand 200 at night. Even the hookers were shocked and wanted another. If you find english speaking driver at night, he may want to take you to some clubs or saloons, he may also want to take care of all your trips. I once had and lost a tel number which I could call for taxi, english speaking, and he would tell me the exact and totally fair and cheap price (compared to street-prices) , and also tell me how long I would have to wait for the taxi to arrive. Does anyone know this? Fourthly, in the heat of the summer, like beginning of May, I would accept everything below 81 uah, but demand air conditioning. And don't be surpized, I find the drivers can have very creative navigation skills, especially around Maidan with its one-way-streets. Coming to Kiev for the first time, I don't regret that I had ordered a transfer from my landlord. Of course it is possible to negotiate with the drivers on site, but I am sure this was cheaper in the end. In this forum, someone mentioned a bus or some other transportation. Flying to Zhelany has made this a lot simpler.

[How14]

I am African American and I actually been here in Kiev for 1 month and will be here for 2 more months. I have wesley snipes complexion (very dark) but like to think I have a really cool style when it comes to fashion. Pedro was right in the sense of not walking by yourself at night out of crowded areas downtown and nearby clubs or bars. Now granted I will be honest. I have only been out 1 time since I have been here and that was to TGI Fridays with a puerto rican friend of mines. I got stares from women but none in which I could actually decipher and I kept walking. I chose not to speak cause I figured they either did not speak english or would not speak to me in fear of ukranian men watching them or something. (that was my reasoning). Now I could have been wrong but if you step out. You will get stares from men also (some good, some bad). In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black. Now they can go off what women may tell them or darker complexion friends they may have went out with. Climax kindly gave me pointers also as to what to expect here and you get mixed reviews. Some guys here will say ukranian women love darker complexion guys because you would be considered exotic, some guys will tell you ukranian women may or may not talk to you. I decided to use mamba and banged 2 chicks. Both about 6 or 7 in my book, but they were both freebies simply because they were fascinated with black men. I got a few messages from women who said they are not into black men so it's a toss up. While you are in town. Let me know and I may hang with you. Granted I have not stepped foot in a single club or bar except TGI Fridays. I am still earning this place

I understand what your saying here about women possibly being afraid to talk to you for fear of ukranian men being annoyed or whatever, but for what its worth I'm in Thailand 4 months of the year, and Thailand is full of Russian / ukrainians and they are often hand in hand with black guys / indians / arabs you name it, so to me I think your right in what you say, they are interested but afraid.

[Member #4491]

LJ, I am humming the immigrant song for you, and then you can maybe figure out approximately where I come from.

Yea, we always have to talk to the girls before we take them home, don't we. There can be bitches everywhere. But I am glad to read that you found many sweet girls in the pay for play venues. If one likes to "hunt" in a hard core prostitution environment, it is always nice if there is some atmosphere and some friendly people. I agree, it can be comfortable to shoot fish in a barrel. One parameter is already taken care of so to speak. You can be pretty sure they will f*ck you unless you smell or are a bastard. The parameter of what they will do is almost always a trade off with girls who took the step and publicly works as prostitutes. They will for sure almost always have some "rule" that their imaginary pride or health are hung up on. But we horny dogs can take that as long as they are friendly or pretend to be friendly at least. I will remember to talk to the girl next time I get a lap dance. Will be tough but the things we do not put ourselves through to have some variation in the barba-burgers we dive in to. A newfound friend told me you can either touch the girl up or wank off in the dance boot. The napkins in the one boot I had a dance in, during my visit to Kiev, indicates that not everyone go for touching the female. I tried to do a little bit of both and no alarm went off. I forgot the name of that club but the girl was pretty. An 8. 36 in my book. Blink.

In shooters I met a couple of very friendly girls. I do not think they where hard core pros because we where dancing and partying all night. I was drained and normally do not like to fuck after a bottle of vodka anyway, but got some numbers that I did not follow up on properly. I love the hunt. Woff. Since some speak of skin color here, it seems like they sometimes will refuse entry for people with darker skin and hair. But I would still try Shooters because it is great fun. Vodka bar is more edgy with more drunk, young Ukraine boys but still good fun. My ISG buddy almost got into a fight over a female but a knight saved him before it got serious. Later the same Ukrainian guys where fighting someone else, and then choose to take a punch at the guards so I imagine at least the little cocky prick where in sever pain after the six guards where done.

This was the view that kept me dancing, even after the bottles started to fly all around us. Nice girl with sexy moves but Barba and his agent buddy slipped and failed with her and her big tit friend. Anyone else know them?

B.

[Cruiser D]

Haven't heard any of my girls say anything positive about the 'new' Avalon.

I mentioned to you this before about Shooter's. I left early one night and was completely amazed by a large crowd of young hot girls waiting to get inside. I always tend to think of Shooter's as clique control rather than face control. I've heard tell of this one guy who has been going there every week for years! .

Pretty much so.

It is quite cruel sometimes. A friend arrived in D'Lux with a girlfriend and the manager stopped him saying "are you sure? We have much better looking girls inside".

No sneakers is standard unless you are me, and dress smartly enough. Cruiser D goes for the suit and tie look, Hunter Dave for the smart casual.

[Cruiser D]

Ukraine is a nation of daddy's girls (those who have a good real daddy or those completely without one) and baby likes daddy in a suit. .

A man in a suit is a serious man, know who your targeted audience is.

What 'rules' are you breaking when you are 40+ and macking 20 year olds at a nightclub anyway?

Honestly, dressing with a suit in a club will make you stand out like a sore thumb (a sex-hungry tourist with no taste). And picture number two is IMO just totally "peasant's Sunday best". You should dress up FASHIONABLY and nice. Don't overdue the primping.

[Cruiser D]

When Air France delays my luggage for three days (happened to me twice) I still don't have problem pulling the girls in my travel wear or with an outfit I bought at the Tommy Hilfger's in Mandrin Plaza. I think I am the only person in Kiev who has ever worn khakis.

You still wear a watch? How 1990's. .

A girl I met and tagged on my last trip to Kiev arrived in my home city to work on a student girl visa for the summer. She want's to know if I'll show her and her two friends around, sounds expensive and fun. .

All fine for "face control" at least. For pulling chicks, it's important to remain in your zone. If it's what you wear then stick with it. Cruiser D in smart casual and Hunter Dave in a suit just wouldn't work for either of them.

Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levis, T-Shirt from M&S, a watch from Casio and shoes from Generic & Co. Chances of success?

[Irish Lad]

In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black.

There are a few black members here, and many have previously asked the forum questions about racism etc in Ukraine and the girls attitude to black men. You have answered well some of those questions. Non blacks aren't qualified to fully respond as you point out although, as a resident here and having met some Non black members here, I have witnessed a small amount of discrimination from a minority of people.

I was in Maidan a few years back with Roger Rabbit from this forum, an English man of Indian descent who suddenly excaped in to a bar. When he came back out I asked if was ok,"sure he replied, just a gang of skinheads passed through". Now, in a million years and it being the 21st century, I would never have thought that the centre of Kiev, in the middle of the day was a dangerous place, but Roger Rabbit was concerned.

That level of racism is restricted to just that right wing element I believe. There is however discrimination evident everywhere. No ugly girls allowed in to most clubs, no sneakers in to D'Lux and certainly no drunks allowed anywhere. I see comments here that Shooters don't let non whites in but there are plenty inside, so maybe arriving in sneakers, half pissed with a bad attitude may have something to do with it.

[Irish Lad]

Irish, by the way, have you been to the Petrovitch's Kiev branch?

It's the best Moscow's best well hidden secret to score successful MILFs / successful young professionals, and I wonder if it is the same in Kiev. In Moscow it's a member-only club though.

Never even heard of it. I see it's in Podol, I'll check it out and revert.

[Irish Lad]

Thanks for the input Irish lad. I have attached some pic of the way I dress. If any of them is not cool for the above clubs, please let me know.

All fine for "face control" at least. For pulling chicks, it's important to remain in your zone. If it's what you wear then stick with it. Cruiser D in smart casual and Hunter Dave in a suit just wouldn't work for either of them.

Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levis, T-Shirt from M&S, a watch from Casio and shoes from Generic & Co. Chances of success?

[BlackMagic777]

I don't know what you mean by 'completion'. I am older buy very white and blonde, they never rejected me, but of the 4 clubs you mention above, I have only been to Avalon. Make no mistake, beautiful women are a worldwide commodity, like gold. They know it since they are 11 years old. They are always expensive, but in Kiev they are less expensive because of the economy. They are not stupid, they know how to manipulate you and extract everything they can. Top girls cost top dollars, they always have men willing and able to pay for it. You may want to go down a notch or two, and you will get a lot more satisfaction and less greed.

Cubanito, as long as you keep to the center of Kiev, and out of the streets by midnight, or in company, I think you will be fine. Don't worry. Don't read more than what I wrote in these lines.

I am African American and I actually been here in Kiev for 1 month and will be here for 2 more months. I have wesley snipes complexion (very dark) but like to think I have a really cool style when it comes to fashion. Pedro was right in the sense of not walking by yourself at night out of crowded areas downtown and nearby clubs or bars. Now granted I will be honest. I have only been out 1 time since I have been here and that was to TGI Fridays with a puerto rican friend of mines. I got stares from women but none in which I could actually decipher and I kept walking. I chose not to speak cause I figured they either did not speak english or would not speak to me in fear of ukranian men watching them or something. (that was my reasoning). Now I could have been wrong but if you step out. You will get stares from men also (some good, some bad). In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black. Now they can go off what women may tell them or darker complexion friends they may have went out with. Climax kindly gave me pointers also as to what to expect here and you get mixed reviews. Some guys here will say ukranian women love darker complexion guys because you would be considered exotic, some guys will tell you ukranian women may or may not talk to you. I decided to use mamba and banged 2 chicks. Both about 6 or 7 in my book, but they were both freebies simply because they were fascinated with black men. I got a few messages from women who said they are not into black men so it's a toss up. While you are in town. Let me know and I may hang with you. Granted I have not stepped foot in a single club or bar except TGI Fridays. I am still earning this place

[Guntherus]

This is suspicious, to say the least. Why all this secrecy? I just repeat what I said long time ago: Don't send money to smeone you have not met. I don't know anything about this establishments, but scam has many faces, asking for advance payment (reservation) is one of them. I can tell you.

I just found a new escort agency.

Directors-escorts. Com

Also there is one interesting agency called jamqueens. Com their web page does not work if you try to open it from Ukraine. It is not easy to get access from them also. Anybody used their service? They emailed me pictures of girls I met before through other agencies so the pictures of girls should be real. They frequently change password to access their webpage and it is a pain in the ass to convince them to get the new one all the time. If anyone has their current password, please let me know.

[Ddlbss]

I just found a new escort agency.

Directors-escorts. Com

Also there is one interesting agency called jamqueens. Com their web page does not work if you try to open it from Ukraine. It is not easy to get access from them also. Anybody used their service? They emailed me pictures of girls I met before through other agencies so the pictures of girls should be real. They frequently change password to access their webpage and it is a pain in the ass to convince them to get the new one all the time. If anyone has their current password, please let me know.

[Member #4491]

Barba, as you obviously didn't read what I wrote to you, let me simplify it.

Sorry, LJ it got lost in all the text here. Please bare in mind that English is not even my second language so sometimes I get confused with all the words. I will be more cautious next time I read your creations. I have been touching the fact that I have unfavorable experiences of female sex workers from strip clubs but I can only interpret your posts as if you have finally found the once city (or perhaps club) in the world where the hard core hookers in a strip club still have a sweet GFE personality, at least with the same distribution as the rest of society. Great news! Thank you for sharing this, because this is sort of a dream. 9s and 10s who works in the sex industry and still display no dents from this harsh environment are quite rare if you look at a global scene. It requires quite a lot from a girl to dance all night and then fuck a new guy every night, and still be able to connect like a real girlfriend. I am glad that such a paradise exists. Once again, thank you LJ for sharing this extraordinary information. Now I think we will really see some lemming trails to this country (and club). Blink.

Barba