Jakarta

[Banana Boi]

I have been taken for 3 million late at night.

That was after negotiating it down.

What was the offense? I never even carry 3 million rupiah with me in Jakarta.

[Marky1]

(Sh) it does indeed happen. In the few times I've been pulled over by Indonesia's finest, I was waved through when I wasn't at fault (speeding taxis, taxis following ministerial vehicles etc.) or paid fines of 50 to 100 k when I was in the wrong (no ID handed over, car full of hussies at 4 am etc.) I would have expected to pay this amount in MM's case. Perhaps add a bit given that the Games are in town and the cops were obviously out to make some money that night.

The things MM did right were never ever hand over your passport and always settle the issue there and then. Obviously them having important possessions in their hands dramatically weakens your position. Similarly, standing your ground to the point of being taken to the Station and dealing with Superiors who work in much larger sums will see you paying much more and at risk of lock up or assault.

The whole speaking Bahasa thing can go both ways. I've learnt and got a way with a lot when people have spoken in front of me not realising I understand them or just by acting dumb and not saying a word. On the flip side, showing you have been in country a while and know the system can lower costs and speed the process.

Obviously having money out and visible is just asking for trouble and never invite anyone to search your goods with out cause. Planting drugs etc is rare but not unheard off. Again, it's much better just to pay there and then just to settle things and be on your way. Its not worth arguing over whether you should have paid 50 or 500 k ($5 or $50).

I have been taken for 3 million late at night.

That was after negotiating it down.

[Jkt Jon]

The whole speaking Bahasa thing can go both ways. I've learnt and got a way with a lot when people have spoken in front of me not realising I understand them or just by acting dumb and not saying a word. On the flip side, showing you have been in country a while and know the system can lower costs and speed the process.

I agree with this statement, and I think your Bahasa needs to be at a certain level before it can help you in this situation. I don't think there is a 'standard' rate people typically pay when pulled over. Its all relative and depends on many factors, such as the person involved, seriousness of the situation, the time of year (holidays, events etc.) and even location. However, if you did nothing wrong and have all your documents in order, you shouldn't worry too much or have to pay much if anything. All that will happen is you will lose some time and be inconvenienced a bit. The officers usually only push for the 'tip' if you don't have proper document, passport, or did something wrong.

I speak fluent Bahasa and had to pay between 100 k-200 k depending on the 'offence' found when pulled over. The time I paid 200 k was when I didn't have my updated car registration. The more serious the offence is, the more serious the 'tip' it will cost. Road checks and pull overs are most common around the Red Light areas, but even happen in central / South Area sometimes. If you are a foreigner you'll most likely need to pay more than what I've paid.

I know a group of foreign businessmen that got pulled over in a Silverbird exiting Mulia hotel. The guys without their passports each had to fork out 1 Juta each, while one of them had an ASEAN card and he got off. I wasn't in that situation, so I'm not sure if it could have been negotiated lower, but I think the fact it was a Silverbird with foreigners and coming out of Mulia, contributed to the higher asking price. At the end of the day, its in the hands of the Officer because he does have the authority to bring you into the Office to process the offence (and if this happens you may spend hours or even up to a day sorting it out), but usually they don't want to spend too much time with one single car and rather quickly move on the the next car / victim, unless you've totally pissed them off or refuse to give some face. Its always a negotiation and you just need experience or the skills to come out of it successfully.

[Smoothy]

Smoothy what is the going rate these days to make a cop go away in this situation?

I really don't know how much they are wanting these days. I don't go to the brothel areas at night and that's where you are likely to get pulled over by the cops or have the cops raid the bar. (I do not ever drive a car in Jakarta, so when I am pulled over, it is the taxi being pulled over in a police road block) The last time I was pulled over by the police and actually had to give a bribe was about 10 years ago and I gave 100 k. I've been pulled over a few times after that but I didn't pay anything even though I never carry my passport. I just acted like I didn't understand what they were talking about and spoke only English to them. Luckily those times they had only Indonesian speaking police in the raid and they got frustrated. If they have an English speaker, the likelihood of a bribe goes up. I would never speak Bahasa to them regardless, but Goferring makes good points.

[Goferring]

Unlucky. Over the years, I've never had this happen. I never carry my passport for fear of losing it, so I always keep some cash hidden in a pocket somewhere in case I need to get out of this situation. I would have tried chatting to him in bahasa as best I can and made him a counter offer, but I doubt I would have stood my ground too much. The more fear you show the more it is going to cost you. Smoothy what is the going rate these days to make a cop go away in this situation?

(Sh) it does indeed happen. In the few times I've been pulled over by Indonesia's finest, I was waved through when I wasn't at fault (speeding taxis, taxis following ministerial vehicles etc.) or paid fines of 50 to 100 k when I was in the wrong (no ID handed over, car full of hussies at 4 am etc.) I would have expected to pay this amount in MM's case. Perhaps add a bit given that the Games are in town and the cops were obviously out to make some money that night.

The things MM did right were never ever hand over your passport and always settle the issue there and then. Obviously them having important possessions in their hands dramatically weakens your position. Similarly, standing your ground to the point of being taken to the Station and dealing with Superiors who work in much larger sums will see you paying much more and at risk of lock up or assault.

The whole speaking Bahasa thing can go both ways. I've learnt and got a way with a lot when people have spoken in front of me not realising I understand them or just by acting dumb and not saying a word. On the flip side, showing you have been in country a while and know the system can lower costs and speed the process.

Obviously having money out and visible is just asking for trouble and never invite anyone to search your goods with out cause. Planting drugs etc is rare but not unheard off. Again, it's much better just to pay there and then just to settle things and be on your way. Its not worth arguing over whether you should have paid 50 or 500 k ($5 or $50).

[Member #4794]

Unlucky. ... I would have tried chatting to him in bahasa as best I can and made him a counter offer, but I doubt I would have stood my ground too much. The more fear you show the more it is going to cost you.

I didn't really show any fear because I didn't have a working girl with me nor did I have anything illegal on me, but I did try to say "tiga ratus ribu" he kind of just ignored me and said "lima. Five" kind of a lose lose situation I was going through a series of bad luck at the time.

As for dating women I think dating kind of takes a back seat when sex is so abundant any hint of resistance and I kind of just take the path of least resistance and walk down to your friendly massage shop. It holds me over for at least a few hours when I was in Blok M I was surrounded by the oldest possible hookers alive and I jumped at the chance with a 23 year old girl on wechat and it paid off then but up here 23 year old girls are pretty plentiful. I'm chatting with a few on date in asia and tinder right now so we will see how it goes.

[Ceegee]

Unlucky. Over the years, I've never had this happen. I never carry my passport for fear of losing it, so I always keep some cash hidden in a pocket somewhere in case I need to get out of this situation. I would have tried chatting to him in bahasa as best I can and made him a counter offer, but I doubt I would have stood my ground too much. The more fear you show the more it is going to cost you. Smoothy what is the going rate these days to make a cop go away in this situation?

I got caught up in the philippines airport bullshit but after 5 days of bullshit I arrive in "wonderful" Jakarta. So I get in line for a bluebird and they have this ticket system that is 100% broken theres this guy in control of the taxis. And he is calling numbers in the range of 35-55 the ticket that I just got printed was ninety fucking three so an hour later I kind of pleaded with this guy to let me get in a taxi. So we get near the Mangga Dua mall and it is about 2 am at night and we get pulled over by indonesian police at a check point they set up. They asked for identification I had my taxi money out the first thing he asked was "Is that for me? I of course didn't reply and put it away I don't know about your guys's countries but bribing an officer in it self is a crime. So he says "are you in a hurry?" I say no you can check the bags and I have USB charging cables and he seems to be enamored with the cables. So he looks in my carry on finds nothing and now he want to inspect my main bag. So he checks my pockets and I'm on my way to the hotel so I had changed some money. He found the stack of cash and said "for me?" again. I then brought out 200,000 and held it up. To which is he said "500,000 for me and my friend introduction money. " after which he repeated "introduction money" I didn't reply with any objections, I fail to see how I could have been set up by the taxi driver because it was literally the best route to get to the hotel via google maps. The "officer" has a few words with the taxi driver and we were off. But how common is this bullshit my other 2 trips were incident free. I want to preface this with I assume this officer had a very deep drug problem as his eyes were bloodshot and he was extremely jittery, which also put me off in terms of reasoning with him. The police officer also said that they are out there because of the asia games.

I get to the hotel and it seems like delivery girls are always the ugliest of the bunch. You have to goto these shit holes and pick them yourself if you want to find a good looking girl. The ones that usually show up when they call it "delivery" if you have ever seen the movie spaceballs. The girls that show up are the spaceball stunt doubles of actual girls. Noses and faces all fucked up so of course it being 3 am I pick the less ugly one and get it done. 500,000 dmg for the delivery. Not the best start but only thing good about today is it only gets better from here.

[Ceegee]

I am extremely direct in online messages. Usually withing the first couple of messages I ask them if they want to meet me at my hotel. About 25% of the time they very politely decline. I just say ok, and wish them well. Maybe 1% get outraged and have a little tantrum asking if I think they are a working girl (yes, I do). I just block that 1% and move on.

However, time and time again, the profiles that you would never in a million years expect to be up for some pay for play action provide a positive response. Some ask if I will pay them, I say yes and ask how much they want. Usually they work some low salary job and would likely shag you anyway for free if you put in the time and effort. I just don't have the time or patience when there is so much poon available in Jakarta. If they agree to come to my hotel, they know and I know that they are going to get fvcked.

Possibly meet them in a coffee shop nearby to weed out fake profiles, and get a feel for them. Tell them that if their pictures are fake you will walk away and they get nothing. Actually walk if you get a bad feeling.

If you really want a GFE and repeats, take them out for dinner close to your hotel. You have to eat anyway. After sex, give them some money and call it taxi money. Unless they are hardened pros, they probably want to keep up the image of being a good girl, even in their own minds. Build up a list of regulars and rotate through them. Bring news girls into the rotation, move out the ones that no longer provide top service. No reason to limit yourself to 1 girl here.

Indonesia is the land of double meanings and looking one way while doing the opposite. If they look cold and fridgid, look around and try to figure out what they might be embarrased about. Friends, co-workers etc around. Something is holding them back, and if you are joe average american white guy it is not you. They want your cock inside them.

That is exactly what I do in other countries I haven't yet broken the code here most of my adventures have been in a professional capacity the women here are extremely cautious when it comes to dating and seemingly frigid. Flirting and fun seem to not be high on the agenda maybe their diet or culture that is preventing them from being open to love in general. Most of my talks with these girls on tinder and the other dating platforms are about fucking dogs & cats and their parents. Anytime you bring up a hint of romantic flirting they slam shut, my normal tactics and my extremely novice understanding of indonesian culture has handicapped me. I don't know about any one else here but I don't want to go on a date and spend 10 hours talking about pets the threat of that alone is enough to send me packing. None of these woman even have the courtesy to ask what my interests are or anything that would constitute dating this person. I must be missing something. I have landed girls that way in China, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Philippines, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam, I guess the running theme is they are not predominantly muslim countries? I may not fit in here as I am finding out. I either find pros or extremely stuck up frigid women, I haven't fully be able to crack that code yet, I honestly don't know if I ever will, due to lack of time here and maybe party interest. This may or may not be a cultural gap I personally am not capable of bridging, but it would be nice to date a local girl with some amenable arrangement. By no means am I blaming Indonesia I know very well that love happens and connections happen here I just personally have not been successful when it comes to GFE. I'm happy with all the sex but the GFE would just be icing but I guess not entirely necessary but would be nice.

[Member #4794]

Don't be put off by the Muslim or local culture. Many quiet girls in Jilbabs have proven to be firecrackers when the time is right. 🎉 🔥.

Now that I think about it last time I stayed near Blok M I met this muslim girl on Wechat and no mention of money but she showed up at my hotel ready to do the deed. Seeming the ONLY reason she showed up was to have sex. The girls I've been chatting with lately drone me to death with talks pets and maybe your right they just want to practice english their entitled comments are a huge turn off. I am working on it.

[Member #4794]

Is there any chance that you are brown or from Indian ethnicity? Because usually its not that difficult to get to the point with ladies from Jakarta.

Last time I checked I was not brown, they don't grow them brown in Montana.

[KilledSoul]

Is there any chance that you are brown or from Indian ethnicity? Because usually its not that difficult to get to the point with ladies from Jakarta.

That is exactly what I do in other countries I haven't yet broken the code here most of my adventures have been in a professional capacity the women here are extremely cautious when it comes to dating and seemingly frigid. Flirting and fun seem to not be high on the agenda maybe their diet or culture that is preventing them from being open to love in general. Most of my talks with these girls on tinder and the other dating platforms are about fucking dogs & cats and their parents........ I'm happy with all the sex but the GFE would just be icing but I guess not entirely necessary but would be nice.

[Goferring]

That is exactly what I do in other countries I haven't yet broken the code here most of my adventures have been in a professional capacity the women here are extremely cautious when it comes to dating and seemingly frigid. Flirting and fun seem to not be high on the agenda maybe their diet or culture that is preventing them from being open to love in general. Most of my talks with these girls on tinder and the other dating platforms are about fucking dogs & cats and their parents. Anytime you bring up a hint of romantic flirting they slam shut,

Online anywhere in Asia, I'm very direct. I contact them the day of or the day before an intended meeting. No polite conversation for a month before I arrive. If I haven't got their number and an ok to meet in or near the hotel within the first 5 messages I move on. No point in endless discussions with someone who is just testing the water or practicing her English.

Face to face is a little different. She will likely be with friends and not want to appear a slvt. It can be much more worthwhile to TRADE numbers in the conversation and she can txt or DM later when she is alone. Don't be surprised if she gives out your number to another friend (s) who is more comfortable with the situation.

Don't be put off by the Muslim or local culture. Many quiet girls in Jilbabs have proven to be firecrackers when the time is right. 🎉 🔥.

[Member #4794]

If your looking to improve the cost / benefit for long term hookups, looking at less professional options would be a good idea.
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Having a few words of Bahasa will help but it's not a necessity as many will be keen to practice their English.

That is exactly what I do in other countries I haven't yet broken the code here most of my adventures have been in a professional capacity the women here are extremely cautious when it comes to dating and seemingly frigid. Flirting and fun seem to not be high on the agenda maybe their diet or culture that is preventing them from being open to love in general. Most of my talks with these girls on tinder and the other dating platforms are about fucking dogs & cats and their parents. Anytime you bring up a hint of romantic flirting they slam shut, my normal tactics and my extremely novice understanding of indonesian culture has handicapped me. I don't know about any one else here but I don't want to go on a date and spend 10 hours talking about pets the threat of that alone is enough to send me packing. None of these woman even have the courtesy to ask what my interests are or anything that would constitute dating this person. I must be missing something. I have landed girls that way in China, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Philippines, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam, I guess the running theme is they are not predominantly muslim countries? I may not fit in here as I am finding out. I either find pros or extremely stuck up frigid women, I haven't fully be able to crack that code yet, I honestly don't know if I ever will, due to lack of time here and maybe party interest. This may or may not be a cultural gap I personally am not capable of bridging, but it would be nice to date a local girl with some amenable arrangement. By no means am I blaming Indonesia I know very well that love happens and connections happen here I just personally have not been successful when it comes to GFE. I'm happy with all the sex but the GFE would just be icing but I guess not entirely necessary but would be nice.

[Goferring]

Since LT costs so much here there is kind of a void that you don't feel in other countries like thailand, vietnam, philippines, Cambodia this place is mostly just sex I'm sure if you are more capable than I am this may not be true but from my personal experience from other countries and in comparison to this one this one can feel lonely even though you are drowning in sex.

Most of the girls don't speak english. (on the lower end of the price range).

If you don't speak indonesian conversation is almost nonexistent.

A good overview of the Jakarta scene.

If your looking to improve the cost / benefit for long term hookups, looking at less professional options would be a good idea.

1 jt per day may be scoffed at by a hardened pro but it would be a welcome addition to college fees or shop assistant salary. Mid range mall food halls can be full of groups of junior clerks waiting for traffic to clear after work before catching the bus home. Many are as gorgeous as any pro but without the attitude.

Having a few words of Bahasa will help but it's not a necessity as many will be keen to practice their English.

[Member #4794]

Indonesia (jakarta?) monger pros and cons as I see them.

Pros:

ST is extremely affordable ranges from $24-34 at the current exchange rate. You could possibly visit 5 shops a day and not really break the bank.
Also the more remote the massage places are ive also found that the women are hotter for whatever reason. not all of them offer the same stuff some of the shops have older women 35-50 some are 25-35 and some offer 20-30 the ones where the girls are 20-30 seem to be in more discreet locations. So paying MORE for hotter girls is not always the best move imo sometimes its just location and supply and demand. The hottest girl ive ever been with in indonesia was in this hole in the wall massage place and she was the normal 350,000 i would have paid five times that for that girl. Some of the shops have a line up and some of the shops you need to pick the girls from photoshopped photos. Ive also found that the ones without the line up is where i found hotter girls this may just be a coincidence or the time of day i went.

You have a wide variety of options for venues, personally I do not go the places where ST is 1 mil+ I personally just don't see the point as an american if I want to throw away money I can do it in luxury in las vegas and get more for it imo.

You get propositioned almost everywhere the key is networking these propositions they are after money so building a intel commission based relationship broadens your selection quite a bit. I offer an introduction bounty for any over 20 home body women that need extra cash. 9/10 times this works out best for me.

Food is extremely cheap. I subsist on $7 a day mostly nasi gorang and satay.

It is fairly safe to walk around at even 2-3 am not really an issue imo.

ST rooms are readily available range from $12-20 on top of the ST if pulling a free lancer.

ED drugs readily available. Stoped by some drug stores and asked viagra is sold OTC. And I've seen these stalls along the road that say OBAT on them selling some stuff but I would rather buy it from a pharmacy.

Cons:

This place is not as easy as going to thailand or phils and walking into a gogo bar and pahing the bar fine, in my experience there is a little extra effort involved and I wouldn't rate this country to be as noob friendly as the former 2.

LT is not as affordable as you would expect I've been quoted $104-171 and the girls can be kind of "annoying" outside of what you want to do with them. I'm sure this is some cultural issue but they kind of get int your stuff and rifle through your things so you are much better off with an ST experience I would also preface this with do not goto the normal foreigner venues some of the girls I pull are real green.

Police if you see them avoid at all costs.

These ST massage places are almost all shitholes don't expect anything luxurious unless your willing to pay to be a princess.

Since LT costs so much here there is kind of a void that you don't feel in other countries like thailand, vietnam, philippines, Cambodia this place is mostly just sex I'm sure if you are more capable than I am this may not be true but from my personal experience from other countries and in comparison to this one this one can feel lonely even though you are drowning in sex.

Most of the girls don't speak english. (on the lower end of the price range).

If you don't speak indonesian conversation is almost nonexistent.

Choice of hotel may or may not be an issue for some people but I've always stayed in a girl friendly hotel.

The mamasans in some of the venues can be extremely pushy if they haven't had many customers that day. (this might just be universal but this place isn't exempt).

Smoke Everywhere (these people smoke like chimneys, this is a personal con as I am a non smoker).

I'm sure I left a few things out and alot of this has to do with my familiarity of Indonesia or lack there of but I have mongered in MOST of asia and this is just my take on the scene given my experience level and expectations.

I would also add that even in Laos and Myanmar where the language barrier was also an issue i had more of a GFE experience than i do in indonesia While i get on average much more sex with many different women the quality of the GFE interactions is much lower for me than it is in other destinations. Normally i visit a massage place when i wake up around 2pm, then one at the hotel and then maybe a freelancer late night. all for around $100 usd in a week thats 21 different girls. Which is way above my personal average for a mongering trip. This maybe just be where i choose to monger however the other options drastically increase the price lessening the main reason why this country was on my radar.