Kyiv

[Guntherus]

Hi Uoykucf. Given this new information, I revise my remark. I confess that my ass got burned once by sending girls money in advance. Same by giving bonus payment after meeting. This really does nothing but spoil the girl's attitude. There are better ways to make her feel special and grateful to you. Let's say the girl needed money for rent, and as soon as she has enough, she will stop seeing you. Time for her is not so important as money. Better have her several times (like you now tell us you plan to do) , or refer you to another girl. And of course I am guilty of overpaying girls sometimes in the past. But never more. If she has agreed and seems happy with this agreement. But when negotiating the price, I always have the feeling that I get bad service. So, in the end, I think you handled correctly. Enjoy your time! Roll B.

It's not an overpayment really.

Orginally we agreed on 800;

Then I negotiate the price down to 500.

At the end of the meeting, I decide to give her 800.

I guess my little head was still thinking.

[DoctorOral]

Yes, I liked

[Uoykucf]

Someone finding this kind of girl should be congratulated. Someone spoiling her with big overpayment in a high-lux apartment should be rebuked. Not only will she raise her price, but also tell her friends on the street, where she presumably works. Please stop this foolish generosity. There are plenty of other ways to tell her we like her. And actually, recent experience tell me that if I pay my girls less than they expected, they all the more cling to me, texting me and sending messages and emails asking to meet again and more often. So, the moral of the story is, no I've said enough) no offence, I hope. R. Buzz

Exactly, it is because of people like him that the price are so higher now.

Dear Clement,

Truthfully, it's the guys went to RIO, the now defunct river boat and places that pushed up the prices for your guys!

They paid minimum 1600 UAH. 2400UAH and upwards for 2 to 3 hours!

Many guys even paid 800 to 1000 UAH per hour for Topmodel girls.

And many others paid least 600 per hour for mamba girls.

Many girls asked me for 1600 UAH to 2400 UAH.

But I rejected them.

You see, I am really keeping the prices down for you guys and being considerate of not pushing up prices for our mongering brothers.

I hope all you guys can do the same, don't spoil the girls and keep the prices down for years to come.

On this initial trip, I really have been doing very well price-wise for you guys. I mean a miserly, not even. 400 UAH per hour of great sex with a good-looking 19 year old.

It's not an overpayment.

Dear Roll Buzz and Clement,

You know, what I am going to do for you guys.

I am going to even out what you refered to as "overpayment" by giving her only 200 when she comes tomorrow.

But I have a feeling she's not going to like it.

Let's see what happens.

Cheers.

[Uoykucf]

Someone finding this kind of girl should be congratulated. Someone spoiling her with big overpayment in a high-lux apartment should be rebuked. Not only will she raise her price, but also tell her friends on the street, where she presumably works. Please stop this foolish generosity. There are plenty of other ways to tell her we like her. And actually, recent experience tell me that if I pay my girls less than they expected, they all the more cling to me, texting me and sending messages and emails asking to meet again and more often. So, the moral of the story is, no I've said enough) no offence, I hope. R. Buzz

Exactly, it is because of people like him that the price are so higher now.

Dear Clement,

Truthfully, it's the guys went to RIO, the now defunct river boat and places that pushed up the prices for your guys!

They paid minimum 1600 UAH. 2400UAH and upwards for 2 to 3 hours!

Many guys even paid 800 to 1000 UAH per hour for Topmodel girls.

And many others paid least 600 per hour for mamba girls.

Many girls asked me for 1600 UAH to 2400 UAH.

But I rejected them.

You see, I am really keeping the prices down for you guys and being considerate of not pushing up prices for our mongering brothers.

I hope all you guys can do the same, don't spoil the girls and keep the prices down for years to come.

On this initial trip, I really have been doing very well price-wise for you guys. I mean a miserly, not even. 400 UAH per hour of great sex with a good-looking 19 year old.

It's not an overpayment.

[Uoykucf]

I had a 19 years old slim good-looking woman in my big luxury 3 bedroom apartment on Kreshatik for two hours for 500 UAH. Since she was 100% real GFE and did more than I expected, I gave her 800 UAH.

Someone finding this kind of girl should be congratulated. Someone spoiling her with big overpayment in a high-lux apartment should be rebuked. Not only will she raise her price, but also tell her friends on the street, where she presumably works. Please stop this foolish generosity. There are plenty of other ways to tell her we like her. And actually, recent experience tell me that if I pay my girls less than they expected, they all the more cling to me, texting me and sending messages and emails asking to meet again and more often. So, the moral of the story is, no I've said enough) no offence, I hope. R. Buzz

It's not an overpayment really.

Orginally we agreed on 800;

Then I negotiate the price down to 500.

At the end of the meeting, I decide to give her 800.

I guess my little head was still thinking.

BTW, I really don't care about GFE;

I really just want hardcore sex.

And I got some.

GFE is a waste of time, IMHO.

And therefore.

[Uoykucf]

Someone finding this kind of girl should be congratulated. Someone spoiling her with big overpayment in a high-lux apartment should be rebuked. Not only will she raise her price, but also tell her friends on the street, where she presumably works. Please stop this foolish generosity. There are plenty of other ways to tell her we like her. And actually, recent experience tell me that if I pay my girls less than they expected, they all the more cling to me, texting me and sending messages and emails asking to meet again and more often. So, the moral of the story is, no I've said enough) no offence, I hope. R. Buzz

It's not an overpayment really.

Orginally we agreed on 800;

Then I negotiate the price down to 500.

At the end of the meeting, I decide to give her 800.

I guess my little head was still thinking.

[Uoykucf]

Could you please give more details of this place street and time to find these girls? Thanks

Hi,

I had no idea which streets we were on because I know nothing about Russian.

The time we went was about 9:30 to 10:00PM Sat. Because we didn't want slim pickings.

All I know was the taxi driver drove about 25 to 30 min. From the Basarabka side of Kreshatik; then took us back.

The taxi driver also had a stack of cards giving to me

But I returned them to him as I don't plan to use those cards. Kind prefer to hunt on my own.

[Uoykucf]

You don't need a guide when you go to Kiev. You don't even need to be a savvy traveler to go to Kiev any more. However if you are extremely lazy, social awkward or have more money then you know what to do with it might make sense. For your first trip only!

Really, how difficult is it to go up to a girl in D'Lux or any of the other foreign orientated places Alex will take you to and say $200 or $300? The girls in these place either speak / understand English or will have a girlfriend who does.

I am an example of the idiots you are talking about.

I didn't need a guide in Kiev.

You just need more cum; so you can keep on cumming.

Let's face it; many of us can afford a guide but we just don't want one.

Unless the guide has a young pussy and you can get inside her pussy.

I think it's stupid to pay a guide while you can use that money to a better end.

Cheers.

[Climaxnow]

My first time there, it was fun. All kinds of b**s in this place. Filled with foreign trash, but not a problem. You can smoke here. I pushed myself into somebodies boobs to get a cheap feel and she reciprocated with a scrotum squeeze. I shall return.

[Cruiser D]

You don't need a guide when you go to Kiev. You don't even need to be a savvy traveler to go to Kiev any more. However if you are extremely lazy, social awkward or have more money then you know what to do with it might make sense. For your first trip only!

Really, how difficult is it to go up to a girl in D'Lux or any of the other foreign orientated places Alex will take you to and say $200 or $300? The girls in these place either speak / understand English or will have a girlfriend who does.

I just returned from Alex! I guess I'm his best client. There is so much to do Alex!

[Cruiser D]

Have you been to Ukraine? To Kiev? No? To Thailand?

If the answer is no why are you venturing any sort of opinion on it at all?

Hahaha.

Dude making assumptions.

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I found after reading so many post. Compare to South East Asia. For mongers. Ukraine, Russia, EE seems to be a tough environment for that soft touch and love. Its more business like with less emotions compared to the post one reads in Thailand thread. Where its more personal and emotions involved. Even though I read very very less scams compared to Thailand where one gets pushed and ends up dead in the end.

[Starchild2012]

Guys, what he is trying to do is scare everybody from going to Thailand. He wants to keep all of the girls for himself. Truth be told there is enough girl for everybody and alot of the girls just want to be treated right, if you do right you will be rewarded.

Hahaha. That's hilarious.

Dude. Why don't you please first read my post before making assumptions.

Here from my original post

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1465386

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I found after reading so many post. Compare to South East Asia. For mongers. Ukraine, Russia, EE seems to be a tough environment for that soft touch and love. Its more business like with less emotions compared to the post one reads in Thailand thread. Where its more personal and emotions involved. Even though I read very very less scams compared to Thailand where one gets pushed and ends up dead in the end.

I'm not comparing this with how many women you can have and costs.

I feel even though SEA may be far easier to get laid with more options and sheer number of women due to population. Ukraine seems more honest with less scams.

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Now. Where did I mention that you can't get laid in Thailand infact I said you can more in Thailand. Again. I only compared with the CRIME in Thailand against tourist than Ukraine.

Now, even If I go with your assumption. On the face of it. Its impossible for a single person to corner all the girls in Thailand.

Also,

I got to be the biggest retard on the planet to think. If I post in Ukraine thread. People will not go to Thailand anymore and I can get all the women. If that was my motive. I should have posted this in German FKK forum, UK forum, where the traffic is more and more tourist go from those countries.

If I had some motive. Why in the world would I write something like that in Ukraine forum, which is not even thatpopular in view count and not in other threads like FKK forum which has far higher view count and. Check my old posts. I have not spammed any threads what so ever for tourist to not come to Thailand.

If what you say is right about my post. Show me the proof on what basis you can write that. When I have not written anywhere in ISG for members to not go to Thailand. And why would I choose Ukraine thread out of 100 other threads that are more popular. So logic would dictate that. For my mission to be successful. I should post in other threads as well. Which I have not done and also. I have 900+ posts. Why now. Why not earlier and risk my membership by writing disinfo.

THINK. Why would someone do it in a Kiev thread if what you wrote was my motive. And not in FKK forum or UK, Canada thread from where most tourist go to Thailand.

I had an epiphany that universe called on me and said. If you want all the girls in Thailand. All you go to do is write a post in Kiev thread and all will be yours. And I did not question the ridiculousness of it as I was a retard to follow the universe and post it. And the irony is. I'm still at home. Writing useless replies as I'm yet to get laid to a Thai women.

Its sad the world we live in. If someone tries make a point. Its all looked with suspicion with some hidden motive. Yet its hilarious to think. If one writes in Kiev thread, he can have all Thai women in the world. Hahaha. El Cubanito I will let you know. When I will have all the Thai girls to myself. Just wait for a while.

[MarkyMark81]

One of the first things that struck me in Kiev was the face of disappointment on the young slick twenty somethings freshly arrived from Western Europe. They were worthless to the local girls because most young attractive guys don't monger and the girls all know it. Most young guys looking to party are better off staying home where they stand a true chance of finding somebody interested in them even for just one night stand. Kiev girls think of their pussy as a profit center and have no interest giving it away to some weekend yahoo. What a great feeling it was to get more looks than the young guy!

I had this preconceived notion that Ukraine would be like Riga twelve years. FUCK NO! Completely different dynamics at play.

Not trying to be a dick, and I certainly agree that there are many golddiggers in Kiev.

However, I would definitely also say that in a capital such as Kiev, everyone can find what they are looking for. Whatever it may be.

Although the setting can be worse or better depending on the circumstances.

If you want to go out and meet "normal" girls, it is not an excuse to fail doing so, just to be aware of the fact that many are working girls.

And sure, paying helps a lot, but if a young guy also wants to pay, it would probably be to his advantage, or not of any importance (it can not be negative anyway) that he looks nice.

I am 31 by the way, and just reflecting on this. I am going to Kiev for both meeting working girls and just socialize with normal girls.

I met some girls on mamba that have no intention on working as any escorts. So, I would not be worried to go to Kiev either way, whatever you may want to find.

[Climaxnow]

Interesting report.

Tell us more about Caribbean. What day did you go there? Weekend?

Can you sit at a table free of charge? At VodkaBar they asked me for thousens of grivna.

Is smoking allowed inside?

Did the girls you meet speak english? How much did they charge for sex?

The thing about Caribbean that I liked was the sense that girls went there to "qualify" a guy and possibly see him later for a "gift". No glam models, but a lot of attractive next door girls. I went on Wednesday and did not inquire about tables. Bar stools were available for anybody that just wanted to sit. I think they banned smoking in clubs over a year ago in Kiev. Very disappointing, I enjoyed the smoke filled rooms a year and a half ago. Seems every girl that wants to survive in Kiev knows basic English. I never made a direct inquiry to sex in the bar. However, when I walked into the subway and the girls asked me if we could all sleep together, I said "sure" and "how much". I was quoted $100 a girl. Reasonable price, but one had a see section scar and the other had a weird belly fat. I would probably not be interested unless I was drunk.

[Sorbonne]

Whoever answer the phone (067-500-2070) speak English?

Thanks.

Hi. The website of ambrasura.

http://my-relax.net/salon/ambrazura/out_paid/

You have to call them and they give you address. They on top modals too if you serching in price of 800 grivnas. The plaice is in dead end road nearly zhitomiska staition, and picture of girls done in actually same building.