Tokyo

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064686]I've yet to monger in Japan but will do so this summer. Culture wise I think Thailand is pretty darn cool too and their temples are a lot prettier than the ones in Japan. But as far as the girls, I'll keep an open mind. I've sessioned with Japanese girls who come to Toronto Canada for a tour and so far I don't see their looks nor service in the bedroom any better than other Asian girls but I'm looking forward to my trip to Japan later this summer to see if they are actually worth their premium rates. Even if it ends up that my experiences with them in Japan is just about the same as with Thais, Pinays, Chinese and Koreans, I know for sure that the touristy things in Japan will be amazing.[/QUOTE]Seems we have a few similar plans for future travel. Looks like you will get to Japan before me though. I also hope to get to Korea. I have Australia and New Zealand higher up in my rotation. I look forward to your reports.

[QUOTE=Pluto1;3064561]Another thing with the places like Jan Jan. Can you wear a condom if you want? Would you have to bring your own. I will probably skip it as the idea of someone just going person to person bare is not something I want, sounds much more risky than everything else. But covered could make it a little better. Just sounds like an interesting new experience.[/QUOTE]Yes you can. You just ask the girl before you start. Or pull out your own (in that case just make sure it's not covered with any foul tasting lubricants).

Though if I was going for a CBJ, I would go with one of the hot girls at Tokyo Style who does it, because they're so good you can barely tell you have a rubber on.

I once accidentally booked Sakura there who only did CBJ and I didn't realize she put a condom on for the suck job until I actually looked down, which really amazed me. [URL]https://www.tokyostyle-delivery.jp/therapists/Sakura/[/URL].

They also test their girls, which no pink salon is ever going to do.

I understand if you want to try the open air experience though, it's certainly different.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3064689]Seems we have a few similar plans for future travel. Looks like you will get to Japan before me though. I also hope to get to Korea. I have Australia and New Zealand higher up in my rotation. I look forward to your reports.[/QUOTE]Tough thing about my upcoming trip to Asia is that just before my week in Japan, I'm spending three weeks in Indonesia. Although the first week is all out at sea on a dive liveaboard, my next two will be in Bali and Jakarta where the mongering is the cheapest in southeast Asia now and unlike in soaplands and delivery services in Japan, I can see and meet the girls in advance before committing to any sessions. So Japan with its high rates as well as lack of in person lineups will be a tough scene especially right after Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064747]Japan with its high rates [/QUOTE]I always think this is funny.

You can get BBBJCIM in Tokyo for $20.

You can have sex with an 18 year old for $170.

This in a first world country.

A lot of the other services don't even compare.

There are no Japanese soaplands anywhere but Japan. No agencies with pregnant women. No strip clubs where one of the dancers sucks you off. So you can't get those for any price outside of Japan.

I had one of my best experiences ever with this lady named Rino.

[URL]https://www.tokyostyle-delivery.jp/therapists/Rino/[/URL]

Might be entering MILF territory age wise but she's too fresh and firm for that IMO. A real classic Japanese beauty, killer body, beautiful round ass and titties, an absolute stunner in every sense of the word.

She was pure service from beginning to end. She took my hand coming in the door, did a sexy strip tease, soapy massage with body to body, BBBJCIM to start, then, great oil massage, totally sensual with lots of ear nibbling and whispering, tugged me with her thighs, 69 face sitting style BBBJCIM, and kept it going with the nice washing at the end and everything. A lot of girls only work when the timer is set until you nut. She was IT from beginning to end. I rarely repeat but I'm having her back over in the next 1 or 2 days.

Damage was 46 k for 2 hours.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;3064701]I once accidentally booked Sakura there who only did CBJ and I didn't realize she put a condom on for the suck job until I actually looked down, which really amazed me. [URL]https://www.tokyostyle-delivery.jp/therapists/Sakura/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[B]Pros vs Amateur Jgirls[/B]
Yes, some girls have a ton of experience and skill and it really set them apart. I don't expect much from a HJ, but a few girls were super good at it and it was better than a BJ. But it was just maybe 5% of my experiences like that, so I never expect it. I just know it's possible and will shout it out to everyone when I find such a girl. Some girls have sucked not even 100 cocks while a few other girls have sucked over 10,000. So there is a skill gap among jgirls between the amateurs and pros.

In the US when a jgirl starts bbbj on me, very occasionally my eyes light up with recognition. She must have worked DH or Soap based on how amazing and confident her skills are, and I recognize her as a true pro. I've called it every time. They are girls who are at or near Hinata @ Etoile's level - they've clearly been sucking cock for 5+ years all year round morning to night. Whereas most jgirls who go to Canada or the US, they are practically amateurs who just started out. They are just young, maybe cute.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064747]Tough thing about my upcoming trip to Asia is that just before my week in Japan, I'm spending three weeks in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]

You get to skip out on jet lag. Watch out for Japan's hot summer in July or August, you'll want to be indoors mid-day. And obviously, Japanese foods and specialties are better and cheaper in Japan than even cheaper countries. Sushi is a good example.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;3064757]You can get BBBJCIM in Tokyo for $20.

You can have sex with an 18 year old for $170.

This in a first world country.[/QUOTE]

[B]Use Intel to Win[/B]
The key is intel. You will win way more if you use intel to go to the right shops or pick a well-reviewed girl. If you want a super tall yuong girl, THC hasumi. If you want a super tiny young girl, TAE Saki. I vibed really well with them and got a lot done with them, but I don't imagine other guys consistently would. Vibe is case by case. But guys who are clean and with good manners tend to do well.

There is a ton of fun in Thailand and the Phillipines too, but if you don't have intel on where to go you could still get ripped off or overpay for a mediocre experience obviously. The good thing is ISG has a lot of reports for those countries. I have friends who have gone there long-term to Thailand, and they've reported that Thailand has recently gotten a lot more expensive compared to before. There is more GPS from Thai girls when it used to be uncommon. It is still cheap especially for specialties like Thai massage, but it's "catching up" so to speak. So there are more rich Thai men flying to Japan for fun these days. Especially for the higher end girls.

With intel, you could try three girls from TAE and probably 2 out of 3 will be cheap and great service. If it's a girl I reviewed, she will physically be what I described. Compatability, I don't know. I've repeated some TAE girls 3 or 4 times and it got even better on repeats. But I am just picking my favorite girls, there were other girls who were okay and I didn't vibe with. One was quite good looking but a bit too shy with me, I had a really good time but didn't feel a connection. Another was decent looks and young, I'd be okay repeating her if it weren't for all these other girls I already know.

Intel is so important and that's why I sampled multiple DH services like TAE, Gingira, and THC so I could give a fair comparison and also tips on how each shop is different. Next time I'll try out more shops next trip including Versailles and Y-Shirt soaplands. I went straight for Etoile last visit based on intel, a friend last year recommended Hinata.

Hinata has been reviewed by many people for many years, with guys flying in from every country to see her. So you don't have to use just my review, you can compare my review to a basket of other reviews and get a clear enough sense of wha tto expect. Or maybe you already saw Hinata, then you're golden. Because you can judge whether or not I'm fairly reviewing girls (I don't know which girls you saw) and use that to decide if you can use my other reviews. I always try to downplay girls on Looks and Service, because I'm biased for jgirls and not everyone else is. And in any case if I say a girl is B Looks some other guy is going to say A but another guy will see C. The C guy will be more disappointed, the A guy isn't going to be.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064686]I've sessioned with Japanese girls who come to Toronto Canada for a tour and so far I don't see their looks nor service in the bedroom any better than other Asian girls..I know for sure that the touristy things in Japan will be amazing.[/QUOTE]

[B]Jgirls in Canada and US[/B]
If we randomly see jgirls who visit Canada / US, I'd agree the looks and service is average. C or D Rank Looks and Service. This is why in the US, I try to point out girls I think are in the top 25% range of B Rank or higher. Since I have friends and some reliable reviewers telling me which girls are hot or good service, I generally end up seeing the top 25% anyways. It is a cycle where I don't get many chances to be disappointed because their intel was generally accurate.

But if a friend says a girl is B Rank, she will usually be A through C Rank to me. So I do end up seeing a few C Rank girls. I'm happy with C, which is why I set my minimum at B for intel. I also occasionally see girls without intel, but then I get C through E Rank girls. I noticed that I don't even get S through B Rank girls, because my friends usually told me about them. So ironically, when I go in blind I am excluding the S through B girls.

[B]Reviews for Popular Shops[/B]
Japan has so many options, but not all are tourist friendly and some are much better than others. If you find a girl with multiple reviews, your changes are good. Or barring that, for DH at least pick an agency with many reviews. The three agencies I've reviewed, they have very clear differences in pricing and type of girl they'll send you. Since the Tokyo thread gets a lot of posts, I created two blogs so it is easier for you to find them:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4403-Japan-guides-focusing-on-Oppai-Pubs-Soapland-Delivery-Health&p=3062876&viewfull=1#post3062876[/URL] [B]TAE, Gingira, THC delivery[/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4421-Japan-Shop-Reviews-Only&p=3062880&viewfull=1#post3062880[/URL] Hinata @ Etoile Soapland

These are the first posts in each blog. I wrote down everything useful I know on the posts below them. It seems like 80% of guys here are covered by just DH and soapland intel. Oppai pubs are probably for guys who at minimum speak 2-4 years Japanese imo.

[B]Rokusan Angels Update[/B]
Here is another video for Rokusan Angels. If you buy a VIP ticket, there is some chance you'll be invited on stage briefly. The staff will borrow your phone to take video and later photos for you. The show encourages you to post to social media to spread the word, so here is a phone POV example:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u_IB-5JXzs&t=68s Rokusan[/URL] customer phone view

[B]Dohan Shukkin Trends[/B]
If you don't speak Japanese, you can skip this section entirely. It is about dating hostesses, oppai pub girls, and girls' bar girls. At an oppai pub, guys who can't speak Japanese can just lick their tits and leave.

For a combination of reasons oppai pubs, hostess clubs, and even girls bars are pushing for dohan shukkin more than before. More and more oppai pub girls are asking for my contacts and saying they'll go out with me if I do X or Y for them. One factor for the trend is that post-covid, solo and small group experiences are a lot more common. This is seen as an alternative to payment through champagne because you get something more tangible (a date with the girl). Dohan shukkin has always been around, but I've seen shops that forbade dates and contacts switch over for example. And customers with dates lined out the door during specific hours now. One girl I was seeing OTC with even tried to bring me to her club (I had no idea she even did that work) without first talking with me about it. I wouldn't have minded but didn't have that much cash on me at that moment.

So I've seen this shift with more shops adopting and pushing this business model, including oppai pubs that previously did not. Even Shibuya Galaxy has the option btw (it is just not emphasized). Douhan shukkin is where the girl tries to get you to date her before the shop. At some shops like the girls' bar I used, it was super cheap at about $20 for an hour. But at the high end hostess shops, it can be hundreds of dollars for a few hours. So that's why I wrote out a warning that this could be expensive, even though it is fun.

I've been going oppai pubs 23 years and posted about them on ISG that far back, and it used to be girls wouldn't ask you for contact and some shops even forbade it. Higher service shops tended to do this more, whereas hostess clubs are considered light services and were always more open. That has flipped the last few years, with shop after shop reconsidering their business model.

When I exited Hosekinobako last trip, I saw a line of 8 young guys sitting next to their dates waiting to come in. It was a bit shocking. Each and every one of them was dragged back into the shop by his date, and these guys were mostly in their 20s. They could be dating real women and they mostly looked decent to score a real girlfriend. But, the women they were with were S through B Tier girls they'd have a hard time finding in the wild. Any one of them can score a B Rank civilian woman if they put in enough time and effort in other words, it was just way easier for them to pay money for one. Pay to win.

Another day the guy in front of me in line for Hosekinobako was with a girl and she waved goodbye to him. He was a nerdy otaku type who clearly couldn't get a hot girlfriend, but he was clearly overjoyed to have just showed up after a date with her. She walked off to enter through the staff door and he entered the shop just like I did. He nominates her by default and will then spend time with her at the shop. There is a douhan ticket you buy for about 20k that gives you X time with her, but there are extra fees too - the ticket is valid for 30 days for the girl you picked. If a guy has a lot of money to spend, cool. But for the regular guy like him, it's a trap. A very hot sexy and happy trap.

At Manzoku they have described these shops as Sekukyaba, Oppai pub, O-sawari Kyabakura. Oppai pub is the most baudy word that guys would use among guys, sekukyaba is the most polite word. Every time I have had staff say the words "O-sawari Kyabakura" it seems they must use two hands to gesture grabbing boobs. So in purely casual context you can use them interchangeably. Image clubs are kind of the same but are branded as a different thing (with higher pricing). The shops themselves sometimes get carried away differentiating themselves and what type of shop they really are, mainly to justify different pricing or a different system / rules. Manzoku itself categorizes them a bit more simply because a lot of the differences don't really matter to a customer.

The words Sekukyaba and Oppai pub are dated to the 90s. See attached image. Whereas o-sawari kyabakura is descriptive. Image clubs say they are a third and different thing, but that's also outdated because most oppai pubs now have theme weeks where they switch up the outfits. Nurse week, maid week, schoolgirl week, and so on. You can see the schedule on their websites. It is true that some shops like Club Sexy try to operate as a 'Sexy Cabaret' instead of a more typical oppai pub. But really, the checklist of what you can do is exactly the same it is just marketed very differently and to a different clientele. When I entered Club Sexy a second time, it was not busy yet so the staff got on one knee and asked what kind of girl was my type. I said some variation of "young, skinny, cute", and he said kashikomarimashita ("certainly"). He then fetched a girl who was!

Hey everyone,

Writing my first post here and wanted to start off by thanking everyone who shared valuable information here. I have been travelling extensively for work over the last 3 years and ISG has been a total lifesaver. Instead of just sitting in my hotel or walking around random places, wondering what's safe or worth exploring, I've been able to use the tips shared here to actually get out and find the right places and experiences. I'm not sure how I found this forum, but I'm sure glad I did.

This report is 4 months old. I was in Japan for 3 weeks. I was free in the evening one day, reached out to THC on WhatsApp and booked a 90-min session with AV Star Miyu. I had tried THC Osaka prior to this and also thanks to detailed reviews by senior members like Traveler X, I had a good idea on what to expect and how things would roll out. She reached my hotel in Shinjuku on time, and she looked exactly like her photos, maybe a tad bit chubbier, and spoke decent English. We had great conversation over a highball, which is when I asked her about her AV experience. It was nice to get to know her a bit before proceeding with the next steps. I had booked a 90-min session, with extras for Movie Rec with Face and Swallow. Still get surprised to this day that the recording option is actually available. After the first round, she asked if I wanted to have sex, and asked for additional 15 K which I gladly gave. Damage overall (as far as I can remember) was around 68 k + 15 k. Overall a great experience, I'll probably see her again next time in Tokyo. Although for some reason I can't find her on the THC site, but I do have her WA.

Will be back in Tokyo soon. Can't wait!

Thanks again guys.

FF.

[B]Reviews[/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3064759&viewfull=1#post3064759[/URL] Rino Tokyo Style
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3064506&viewfull=1#post3064506[/URL] TAE Aika
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3062911&viewfull=1#post3062911[/URL] Robo Deli Anzu, Sara
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3062873&viewfull=1#post3062873[/URL] TAE, Gingira, THC
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4421-Japan-Shop-Reviews-Only&p=3062880&viewfull=1#post3062880[/URL] Hinata @ Etoile
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3062463&viewfull=1#post3062463[/URL] Rei Asian Mystique (not working)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3061961&viewfull=1#post3061961[/URL] Shibuya Galaxy
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3061902&viewfull=1#post3061902[/URL] THC
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3061876&viewfull=1#post3061876[/URL] Shibuya Galaxy
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3061310&viewfull=1#post3061310[/URL] GFE Soapland
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3060369&viewfull=1#post3060369[/URL] TAE Momo, Miki, Aika, Honoka..
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3060856&viewfull=1#post3060856[/URL] TAE Miki Yamamoto

These are Delivery Health reports collected from last year, but about half the girls are probably still there:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4421-Japan-Shop-Reviews-Only&p=3007004&viewfull=1#post3007004[/URL] [B]2025 DH reviews[/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3002312&viewfull=1#post3002312[/URL] [B]2025 TAE + Saki review[/B]

[B]Previous Links[/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3059590&viewfull=1#post3059590[/URL] 4/4 Collection of links
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4421-Japan-Shop-Reviews-Only&p=3062880&viewfull=1#post3062880[/URL] Japan Guides
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4403-Japan-guides-focusing-on-Oppai-Pubs-Soapland-Delivery-Health&p=3062876&viewfull=1#post3062876[/URL] Shop Reviews

If you go to Kabukicho, ignore the male touts and keep walking. Don't even talk with them. You can go to Manzoku where every shop they introduce is legit. I've used them 23 years:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdYTrDyjng[/URL] Manzoku Shinjuku YT

For those who bb (no condom), here are some health guides on vaccines, testing, and telehealth treatments:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26902-BBFS-Providers-Manhattan&p=7165163&viewfull=1#post7165163[/URL]

For those who use a condom, here are my 001 condom guides. Okamoto are the best but a bit smaller so make sure to get the L size if you are a bigger guy.
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?38333-Korean-Agency-GFE&p=7556498&viewfull=1#post7556498[/URL] 001

If you are in Canada or the US and use corgs:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?35890-LA-J-Girls&p=7426841&viewfull=1#post7426841[/URL] [B]Corg tips 1[/B]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?35890-LA-J-Girls&p=7427535&viewfull=1#post7427535[/URL] [B]Corg tips 2[/B]

[B]General Tips[/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3064402&viewfull=1#post3064402[/URL] ATMs
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3064235&viewfull=1#post3064235[/URL] Airport exchange, multi-shots THC
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3063179&viewfull=1#post3063179[/URL] Japanese Only Shops, Rokusan Angels
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3062940&viewfull=1#post3062940[/URL] Girls who prefer foreigners
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3062304&viewfull=1#post3062304[/URL] Casanova and King's Room Soapland
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3062150&viewfull=1#post3062150[/URL] Moulin Rouge, Saint Maria, Sky Soaplands
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3061283&viewfull=1#post3061283[/URL] GFE Soapland, King's Room, Polaris
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3061196&viewfull=1#post3061196[/URL] Shibuya Galaxy, Kyoto Amateur
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3059713&viewfull=1#post3059713[/URL] YMMV

[B]Attached Images and Commentary[/B]
First image attached is what a soapland room can look like. But I've never been in one that big, it's usually about 2/3 the size. Second is how a few kgirls in LA will set up water play. Third image is the soapland chair for washing. Fourth is what Kira Kira soapland in Yokohama looks like. It a typical multi-story building full of rooms, like a mini hotel. Next is a Robo Deli ad and a Robo Deli girl. You don't have to speak a word. Next is a fruit crepe cake from Harbs, they have amazing cakes. Dine-in requires you to buy a drink, togo does not. Go in the least busy hours because many branches have a long line. It is popular for a reason.

Next are two images for Super Angel. They are an oppai pub where you don't have to buy girls' drinks, so the base rate is a little higher but it is low pressure and you get service without tit-for-tat. Last image is one of dozens of free information booths. This one is right in front of Godzilla head, which is a 2 minute walk from both Manzokus. I wouldn't recommend any of these because every time, the guy doesn't know about the shops. The only benefit is the promo discount. They have not even been to many oppai pubs so even when they had the address and GPS, they doubted we had the right entrance for Leicester. It requires an elevator way in the back including some steps, so I had to assure him it was the right way. He had never been there. It's a lot of stuff like that, the exact opposite of Manzoku level of knowledge. So, go to Manzoku. They will even warn you not to buy extras for girls, just the basic drink is enough if you vibe. This is why people repeat Manzoku for decades, their intel is very accurate.

[QUOTE=RickRock;3064757]I always think this is funny.

You can get BBBJCIM in Tokyo for $20.

You can have sex with an 18 year old for $170.

This in a first world country.

A lot of the other services don't even compare.

There are no Japanese soaplands anywhere but Japan. No agencies with pregnant women. No strip clubs where one of the dancers sucks you off. So you can't get those for any price outside of Japan.[/QUOTE]Yes I totally agree that the range of services in Japan are second to none. However, I'm a simple 65 year old dude and not interested in any of the fancy stuff. Just a standard GFE session is really all I want so these are what I'm basing my comparisons between countries offerings.

[QUOTE=TravelerX;3064810][B]Reviews[/B]

If you go to Kabukicho, ignore the male touts and keep walking. Don't even talk with them. You can go to Manzoku where every shop they introduce is legit. I've used them 23 years:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdYTrDyjng[/URL] Manzoku Shinjuku YT.[/QUOTE]Amazing write up and information yet again. I may have seen this somewhere else but I can't remember. For using the Manzuko, how much do they charge and how many times do they help you? Also when going to an Oppai like Luxe, do you have to buy a drink for each girl or can you skip it?

[QUOTE=Pluto1;3064850]Amazing write up and information yet again. I may have seen this somewhere else but I can't remember. For using the Manzuko, how much do they charge and how many times do they help you? Also when going to an Oppai like Luxe, do you have to buy a drink for each girl or can you skip it?[/QUOTE]

Manzoku charges nothing, they get a referral fee from the shop. You get a price-matched rate when you go to the shop. It is 6000-8000 yen for 40 minutes at oppai pubs. 6000 yen happy hour (early bird), 8000 yen ($51) most hours. This rate is price-matched between all oppai pubs regardless of each shops own rate. Most shops have a coupon on their website, while Luxe's manager will often give you a discount on the spot if you show up in-person. Right now, the coupons are good:

[URL]https://luxe-shinjuku.jp/[/URL] Luxe website, 100% English friendly but inconsistent standards
[URL]https://www.cabaseku.jp/kanto/kabukichou/shop/1537/[/URL] Leicester, if you know some Japanese
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4421-Japan-Shop-Reviews-Only&p=3002870&viewfull=1#post3002870[/URL] [B]Oppai Pub Details[/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4403-Japan-guides-focusing-on-Oppai-Pubs-Soapland-Delivery-Health&p=3001752&viewfull=1#post3001752[/URL] [B]Oppai Pub Rankings[/B]

[B]Discounts[/B]
Luxe's website has an online coupon for 7000 yen for first-timers. Leicester has a 5000 yen coupon. Luxe is 100% English friendly with native speaking staff (grew up abroad). Luxe is right next to the main Manzoku building. When you complete your first visit, Luxe will give you a coupon to come again at a discounted rate. Most shops instead have the girl give you their card which has a discount on the back, but you hvae to nominate them to get it. So sometimes, it is actually cheaper to use Manzoku for the 2nd visit if you don't want to nominate that same girl. Manzoku is 100% correct that for most guys it is better not to pick the same girl, because that girl will know she has you and will up the ante 2nd or 3rd visit. It's their true endgame to extract extensions and champagne from you, though you can be strong and just say "maybe next time" if you decide to show up anyways.

Extentions cost more, always. It's their business model. But since 9000 to 13000 yen "full rate" is cheap to me, I'll do it if the girl is amazing. Most girls did not ask me for things on extensions, it was the 2nd visits they wait for. The long game. When your first 40 mins are up, they bring a receipt that shows what you owe, but they also list what you "would owe" if you wanted 20 minutes or 40 minutes more. 90% of the time, just leave. I understand most guys like oppai pubs "just one time" for the novelty so it's why I give this default advice. But, if you have a bigger budget and found a really great girl, you can extend.

At Luxe, I get 2-3 girls in 40 minutes. At Hosekinobako, I get 3-4 girls in 40 minutes. So let's say 10-15 minutes a girl. I let her work on me the first few minutes, we do small talk. If I see something unique and special about her, I comment on it. Eventually I ask the girl to hop on, and if we are vibing right I'll tell her she can order a drink. It ranges from 2000 yen to 3000 yen at most shops.

[B]Asking for boobs[/B]
If there is any difficulty with communication you can be more direct and ask to see their boobs or to kiss a few minutes in. Some girls know what to do, others you have to coach. Be polite, be direct.

Drinks are optional, but I generally get them. Mid-visit is ideal but a few girls ask early. It is hard to explain the nuance and strategy because of the variety of girls and attitudes. Some girls are new and shy about asking, while other girls are bolder and ask sooner. So there are two basic strategies but I buy drinks for both girls. New girls are "trying it out" and tend to give good service "for free", so by the halfway point we have already been kissing and I've been sucking on her tits. I'll tell her to buy a drink since she is too shy to ask. I always tip no GPS girls with service. Whereas the GPS girls, they'll ask you a bit too soon before any real action has started. So for them, I'll say I haven't seen her boobs yet so I ask them to hop on me and show them. I'll tell them they can order a drink, and while the drink is being prepared we go at it.

If you say you're from out of town they often ask "how long are you here for" and then you hear a calculator working in their brain. This is because most girls just want basic drinks your first visit. But if you pick them again on a 2nd or 3rd visit, they'll ask you for VIP room or champagne. So just say "maybe next time" every time and it's no big deal. I've never had a girl convince me for champagne in 23 years between hundreds of visits. In Nagoya the VIP rooms were very cheap, so I often did them. But the Tokyo ones I didn't bother with.

I've gone many times, and the order of girls is random. This is clear if you go often, but it is crystal clear if you go at opening time 5pm at Hosekinobako one day after another (ex. 5 out of 6 days in a row). Sometimes the exact same girls would start 5pm but I would get those girls in reverse order. During slow season, it might be 5 girls but more and more girls stream in. It can get full around 10pm typically but on certain busy nights even 8pm or 9pm for Hosekinobako. Leicester opens 7pm. Many other shops open even later. The caveat about "girls are random" is that once guys are showing up and picking girls, it gets slightly less random. But there are always hot girls not picked, since most guys don't nominate and want variety.

[B]Girls Keep Changing[/B]
There is a high turnover at oppai pubs, meaning if I go every day I'll see many of the same girls walking around even if they don't sit with me. But when I come back months or a year later I only see a few of the same girls. This is because the goal of the oppai pub is to match guys with girls. It's why they send you several girls. Their system is set up to maximize service from the girl and get the guy to pay well for it. Had the guy met the girl any normal way, he would not be kissing her by mouth, kissing her tits, and getting treated so nicely within 3-5 minutes of meeting her. And she wouldn't be paid for it either. It is a new experience for many guys and girls. A lot of locals find their girl and stick with her for weeks or months (or worse). Many girls come from other clubs and jobs, all kinds. They're trying their luck, only a few end up staying for months or years.

If you speak about 2-4 years Japanese at least, go to Leicester or Hosekinobako. The girls are hotter. Whereas the Luxe girls know how to service tourists much better.

The breakdown of Hosekinobako girl looks was 20% S-Tier, 40% A-Tier, 30% B-Tier, 10% C-Tier
The breakdown of Leicester girl Looks was 10% S-Tier, 40% A-Tier, 30% B-Tier, 20% C-Tier
Luxe is a range of borderline A/B through D

Some shops like Sexy had hot girls but lower mileage. Some shops like Flamingo (Shibuya) had lower looks than Luxe but quite amazing mileage.

For many guys, oppai pubs are a one-time curiosity. I've gone hundreds of times. However, in recent years when I use DH girls I'm careful not to visit an oppai pub first because making out with 3-5 girls reduces my libido / performance if I'm going to see a girl right after. I'm an older guy and need about 1-3 days to recover. Some younger guys get blueballs. We're all different.

I've been to Hosekibako a few times over the last year. My belief is that you no longer need to speak any Japanese to visit here. The girls told me they see many men from China and Korea and they also cannot speak Japanese. When you get to the door (10th floor) just tell them you've been there before and know the rules. Use Google Translate for this if they don't understand English. There is a manager named Kentaro who speaks good English but he's upstairs while the entry door is one level below the action.

The girls are great. The floor guys working there have a job to do and are pushy about it just like salesmen anywhere else. Apparently the 3 or 4 girls in 45 minutes rotation is not the "bread and butter" moneymaker of their business. You are supposed to fall in love with one of the girls and nominate her and start spending a whole lot more money than that 45 minute rotation price. My experience has always been that after two rotations the young men seem upset that I couldn't find a suitable entertainer for the night and always tell me "time is up" meaning I'm taking up more space than I'm worth to them. And actually I buy drinks for most of the girls. I tell the girls I will buy a drink if I like their kissing. So they quickly whip out their titties and start kissing. Actually almost none of them do great kissing but I buy them drinks anyhow LOL. About one out of three I have no interest in kissing or buying a drink so I tell her I just want to talk. They all have great personalities for this type of job.

When your 45 minute rotation is finished the young man will come with the bill. However he will try to confuse you and use the language barrier to his favor. He will have no interest in using google translate at this point. He will show you a bill with three numbered totals on it. The top one of the three (the lowest amount) is what you actually need to pay. The bottom two are packages he is trying to sell you and hopes you will buy. Just keep pointing to the top number and say "finish I pay". He will make the last girl sit through this ordeal and when I've told her she can leave the young man got upset. They must get a commission to sell the packages.

I've found the hottest girls work on the weekends just like strip clubs in the USA. It gets busy with young Japanese men (20 somethings) later at night so it's better to go between 8 and 11 pm. Weekdays I've been disappointed but you never know. Sometimes I've gone with Manzoku Station reps and other times directly to their door. It's not a big price difference but something anyhow. It's all you can drink free very good cold beer and I've been able to slam quite a few as there is often waiting times between the girls. Fun place!

This post is about navigating Hosekinobako and OTC. Please skip if you aren't interested.

[B]Visitors From Asia[/B]
[QUOTE=Lucky Nuts;3065065]I've been to Hosekibako a few times over the last year. My belief is that you no longer need to speak any Japanese to visit here. The girls told me they see many men from China and Korea and they also cannot speak Japanese. When you get to the door (10th floor) just tell them you've been there before and know the rules. Use Google Translate for this if they don't understand English. There is a manager named Kentaro who speaks good English but he's upstairs while the entry door is one level below the action.[/QUOTE]

Great info! Yes, there are always 3 exceptions to get in: 1) You've already gone to the shop before. 2) Your friend speaks Japanese bringing you in. 3) You have a reservation. Their goal is to make sure you understand their rules, pricing, options. It also filters out bums and curious but cheap tourists.

Even when I went years ago, the girls said 20% of their customers were Chinese, from all over Asia. But the Chinese customers I saw generally spoke enough Japanese. The American customers I saw, they came with a friend. I'm sure things are shifting due to the exchange rate and post-Covid boom for inbound visits.

[QUOTE=Lucky Nuts;3065065]The girls are great. The floor guys working there have a job to do and are pushy about it just like salesmen..after two rotations the young men seem upset that I couldn't find a suitable entertainer for the night and always tell me "time is up"[/QUOTE]

This is just a sales ploy. They have two strategies - they can either be super apologetic and beg you or they can pretend to be irritated. There's no in-between. They're told to act this way, it's just acting.

[QUOTE=Lucky Nuts;3065065]When your 45 minute rotation is finished the young man will come with the bill. However he will try to confuse you and use the language barrier to his favor. He will have no interest in using google translate at this point.[/QUOTE]

[B]Top Line of Bill[/B]
Yes, the bill typically has 3 lines and the highest number is the lowest price meaning the "I leave now/soon" price. It includes any drinks you've ordered.

When the guy comes, I tell the girl "maybe next time" and toss some bills onto his tray and tell him "I'm leaving now." Sometimes that's all it takes. 2/3 of the time they'll beg me to stay longer. "No, I'm leaving now" is my reply. Occasionally they beg one more time something like "How about just 20 minutes?" and I repeat my answer or say "I have to meet friends". Don't over-explain or give them an angle to work on. Some people just say "muri" (often "muri muri", meaning they can't (at their limit / budget). Saying you're broke is instant permission to leave. Either way they won't remember you, you won't remember them.

It's part of the service that when you go, the last girl you're with escorts you. Sometimes she'll ask for your contact, so she can beg you to come back all week. I wouldn't. Learn to say no to women.

[B]About Extensions[/B]
If you are concerned about expense, just leave at 40 minutes every time. It's what Manzoku tells you, it's what I tell beginners. Since most people come in at a discounted rate, the extension costs up to 2x as much. You can always hop to another club using a cheap promo. Most Japanese customers don't extend, but it can seem otherwise because the ones who do fill up the club gradually as the other guys leave. Some girls have told me nearly half the locals don't even buy one drink - they are just "checking it out" with friends or for curiosity and might never be back again.

If you really really like the girl, of course you can extend and I've done it plenty. It's cheap to me as long as the girl is very good, so I've never regretted it. In that case, she's worth 2x or 3x other random girls. Many girls really are brand new, sometimes coming in from a girls' bar or hostess club. So be among the first to lick their tits. Turnover is very high at oppai pubs, 80% of girls don't last a year. It is really a "find a whale dating club" to most of them, so occasionally they quit for that reason.

When it's your first girl of the night, you only pay a small nomination fee to "keep" her for whatever remains of the 40 minutes. That is not an extension and the fee is insignifcant. The reason a ~2000 yen fee even exists at shops is it goes straight to the girl, which motivates every girl to give good service. So "first girl nomination" is a cheap way to spend a long time with a girl. If it's your 3rd or 4th girl, you'd need to do a 20 or 40 minute extension for the "keep" to matter. I actually like 2nd girl extensions, because sometimes I just want to taste her tits a little longer but don't want to talk a whole lot with her.

Your clock starts when you get your first girl, so even if you have to wait 10 or 20 minutes for a girl you get 40 minutes from the first girl.

[B]Whale Options[/B]
Don't do the whale options, only buy the default drinks. The three whale options are to buy champagne, buy a VIP room, or date the girl. Girls will give your their LINE (usually a work LINE) if you want. Don't bother unless this is some unicorn and you are rich. You'll know she'll ask for something when it looks like this:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=362724&d=1749893742[/URL] Haruhi Moka @ SAME-145
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=3009209&viewfull=1#post3009209[/URL] More Haruhi pics

At a certain price point, you could be banging S-Tier JAV girls on camera instead (ex 78k = $500 for JAV + fs + video). I just give her money and we get started right away. For that reason, the most I'll spend on an oppai girl is half that if she is S-Tier and giving me everything right. That is why whale options don't make sense, because she is not gonna bang you on camera for 78k total spent. Whereas to the JAV girl, it's just another Tuesday.

I've never been asked for champagne 1st visit, even after extending a girl to 2 or 4 hours. I've gone to oppai pubs 100+ times in 23 years. It's probably my approach. Girls know better unless you are giving them "I love you" vibes which I never do. I always go with "maybe I'll see you agian" when I extend, which flips a switch in their brain to play the long game instead.

It's the 2nd to 4th visit they would ask, and since I rarely even see a girl a 3rd time I usually don't even get asked at all. But I know the rate of asking is much higher 3rd visit than 2nd from the times I have. Even then, many girls still didn't ask 3rd visit because I give the vibe there might be a 4th visit. You see what I'm saying. Girls always have a sense when it is too risky / early to ask. They are calculating.

About VIP, I've only been asked about VIP room 2 times in 23 years. Both were at Hosekinobako. I did request VIP room in Nagoya since they were dirt cheap, but I was never asked. I've been offered an official douhan date by the staff one time at oppai pubs, also at Hosekinobako. This is different than when the girl herself says she'll bang me for X, go to my hotel if I do Y, or maybe see me OTC. Those offers happen periodically, especially in recent years. I've always refused them because X and Y was either too much compared to Gingira, or I assume there is yet another catch. Which is exactly why official douhan dates are offered, to formalize it.

[B]They Know Their Own Rank[/B]
Without me even asking, a B-Tier girl told me she'd go to my hotel if I extended her just one hour. No, B-Tier is not hot enough so it's too much trouble. An S-Tier girl told me she'd go to my hotel room if I extended her all night at the club. No, that's too expensive. Each girl knows her own rank and scales the price accordingly!

[B]The Substitute[/B]
Rarely, the staff will pull your girl away and "have a talk" with her. This happened at Hosekinobako, this happened at Red Dragon. You'll know it's this scenario because they send you a substitute girl to keep you busy, and that girl knows she is a "sit in" for maybe 20 minutes. The reason they have to pull the girl aside is to coach her on extracting money from you and upselling you. For 20 minutes! Sometimes because the girl is brand new, or needs a refresher course. A pro won't need this refresher course, she'll just ask you.

The staff will explain to her how much she'll get for what, even how much she can discount for you (the discount reduces her cut). In Japan, they measure twice and cut once so they don't want the girl to give wrong info. It's even more important if the girl is brand new, which a ton of girls are. Other guys have posted reports here about "the talk", so it helped me catch on fast that it was happening to me. Thank you ISG.

So this substitute girl shows up and is a bit embarassed because you didn't pick her but you are stuck with her. I chat her up and all, but when I ask her to hop on my lap she says "Uh, I'm not sure I'm allowed to do that" explaining she is just a sit in. She says the other girl I picked might get mad. I said I don't mind and who cares, so she asks the staff if she's allowed to and he tells her of course she can. So on my lap she goes and then I tell her how delicious her tits are. We kiss passionately. But you have to understand, she still has to ask permission to me and staff or the other girl will blame her. It's all very Japanese.

So the first girl comes back, and is really nice to me. She even asks if I want to date her. You see what I'm saying. Later, the staff comes with the bill and of course he suggests I take her out on a date too. It's a coordinated upsell. The date is for real and many guys do it, you can do it too if you want to pay the rate. It's several man en but it is a package deal that gives you extra time thrown in. You would meet her at the shop and take her out for an hour or whatever, then come back to the shop. Maybe dinner, walking around window shopping, or getting a snack. I guess I would have done it if I didn't have S-Tier JAV stars lined up ready to bang on camera.

Dating is only for guys who are rich and intend to pay well in exchange for choosing exactly a girl they like.

[B]Giving Back Half[/B]
[I]In Japanese culture, if you get a gift it's common to give back a gift of half value as appreciation.[/I]

At Red Dragon, when I nominated a JAV star I got her of course. The second time I saw her, she got pulled aside for "the talk". Later, she asked me for champagne with no pressure. I asked about the cost, and it wasn't too much so I did it because she took very good care of me both visits. I didn't have to.

I was surprised because she afterwards offered to have lunch with me, and she really did. It was a highlight of my trip. She was not obligated to do this, and she asked me for nothing in return to this day. It was just a thank you lunch.

It is a good exmaple of a girl doing the long game, because hostesses will give gifts like free lunches and actual gifts knowing it's the most likely approach for you to see them again. It gets them the best and most loyal regulars anyways. So there are exmaples of guys of spending 50k on a girl, and she uses her cut (maybe 30k) and spends half of it on a gift back to him (about 15k). This kind of sincere gesture is what the smarter girls do to get guys hooked. Because she's demonstrating no GPS by giving you back half of what she got from you.

I gave her money gift anyways for actually showing up for lunch. So, I did the same thing of giving back when getting a gift.

[B]Shop Sponsored OTC[/B]
[QUOTE=Traveler X;3009209][B]Douhan - before shop date[/B]
The girl I saw "before shift" was actually from a girl's bar I did not review. In general, meeting before going to a shop is called "Dohan shukkin" (伴通勤). [I]Dohan shukkin is a specific type of dohan where the hostess meets the client before her shift starts, often for a meal or shopping, and then brings him to the club.[/I][/QUOTE]

The girl's bar girl looked like Baby Evian. A girl's bar is just talk, like a hostess club, but the girl is the bartender. The entry price is cheap, but expect to pay more if you buy her drinks or options. I got a polaroid with her and had a lot of fun. It is cheap. It was a fresh depature from the usual.

For my second visit, she told me I could take her on a date before the shop. So we walked around and picked some things out. It was 3000 yen ($19) for an hour, so I did it. It is cheap, and the goal is to bring you back to the shop. Oppai pubs and hostess clubs tend to charge you 5x to 15x as much as this.

Girls' bars typically target a lower budget range and are much more casual. Whereas oppai pubs and hostess clubs cater to mens' egos, so it's no surprise they charge more for "official dating". Even if you try UTR dating through the girl directly, you'll find the same thing. Some girls actually charge more for OTC dating, because it's a lot of inefficiency for them to see you instead of work for the club. For various reasons, I say no 95% of the time and highly recommend beginners to say no 100% of the time. You'll only get good at OTC by failing at it first.

[B]Attachments[/B]
First 2 photos from about 20 years ago, 1st one shows you exactly what goes on. 3rd and 4th is HOS Natsu and what a difference a haircut makes. 5th is Flamingo's pricing, notice how 7pm opening time costs almost 1/2 as much as 8pm. It is happy hour to fill the club - Hosekinobako as the same thing for 5pm but show up 4:59 to 5:01pm. Next are 3 Leicester girls. Then Sweater Moon Himari who has fantastic huge tits and perfect no-GPS attitude (other SM girls were a mixed bag). Yes her face is not HOS level but her tits were top tier. Last is the entrance to Leicester next to Komeida. Even locals get confused because it's hard to see the elevator way in the back.

It's an outdated list, but here are some girls in the past I liked:
[URL]https://fujoho.jp/index.php?p=girl&id=4589070[/URL] HOS Rito (better than ad photo, Team Seven HYA)
[URL]https://fujoho.jp/index.php?p=girl&id=4590731[/URL] HOS Natsu (light PS, HYA)
[URL]https://fujoho.jp/index.php?p=girl&id=3826935[/URL] HOS Miyu (light PS, HYA)
[URL]https://fujoho.jp/index.php?p=girl&id=4572122[/URL] HOS Arisu (light PS, HYA)
[URL]https://fujoho.jp/index.php?p=girl&id=4619649[/URL] HOS Airi (better than ad photo, HYA)

Turnover is high, so it's a new crew of HYA now. Everyone, please help me lick their tits.

Leicester is strict on the Japanese language requirement. I got in once with a Japanese friend and was able to return the next night by nominating one of the girls. After we finished our 40 minutes I asked for a rotation and they told me I could not stay because I don't speak Japanese. And here I thought I had my foot in the door LOL. I did the same ploy at Hosekibako and with management intervention they allowed me a couple rotations of girls after finishing with the nominated girl. This was all in early 2025. When I visited again this year, early 2026, they seemed much more relaxed on the non-Japanese issue. They certainly did not remember me from a year ago. So I think they have relaxed their policy at Hosekibako. I didn't even try to visit Leicester again because I like Hosekibako better anyhow. For a new first timer reading this I'd recommend you just walk up and tell them "I've been here before and I know the rules" using google translate. Grab a cup of mouthwash like you've done this before. Just FYI the doormen I've met didn't understand any English.

Regarding the three lines when the young guy puts the bill in your face, yes the top line is the 40 minute session plus the drinks. TX do you know what exactly are the other two lines below that? I've never looked at them very closely as I've never been interested in spending an extended amount of time with a single girl. I enjoy meeting as many different girls as possible. But it would be good to know for future reference should I fall in love haha.

Yes I know the last girl is supposed to escort me to the door. But my goal was always "another rotation" at the full regular price. So I've told the girls they can leave a couple times when the young man came with the bill. Next time probably better to let her endure the discussion as I tell him I'm done with her but I'd like to meet three more girls for the full price of 9000 or 10000 yen. I don't remember exactly how much.

You are very correct about "the substitute". When I nominated that girl more than a year ago she was pulled away after 15 or 20 minutes. I figured a VIP customer of hers came into the club and she needed to do a short session and ask him to wait for her. Interesting to hear your explanation. Of course she came back hard selling but I was rather immune to all of that already so I didn't put two and two together. Thanks for that insight. I was actually glad to have a second hot girl in the middle of our time together so it was all good. I told her if she's a good kisser I'd like to buy her a drink and the fun started!

[QUOTE=Lucky Nuts;3065200]Regarding the three lines when the young guy puts the bill in your face, yes the top line is the 40 minute session plus the drinks. TX do you know what exactly are the other two lines below that?[/QUOTE]

It's usually for 20 minutes extension and 40 minutes extension, whether or not you nominated a girl. Some shops have a 60 minute extension line. They care most about the time extension, so the girl can bond with you and convince you to come back. Girls know not to ask too much first day, since the goal is to get you to come back rather than scare off a potential regular. So even when I spent 4 hours with a girl, it was just drinks and the staff suggesting a VIP room. Just say "not today".

If you are drunk on a few beers, it can be hard to judge numbers. But you'll notice the 2nd and 3rd line are a bit more, and the difference is the extension rate.

They make a big deal when a guy orders champagne, but notice the other 19 guys who don't. Most never will, it's not normal or really expected. But a girls' job is to find out who will even if it takes 5 visits. Until then, please enjoy.

I would have guessed it doesn't matter whether the girl leaves then or not, as far as how soon your next girl comes. But I've never tried it that way, does a new girl come if you do? Usually I have her legs draped over me if I need to chat with staff. When a girl is sent off, I have had girls come sit down within seconds. But sometimes, it can be a few minutes. It depends on who is ready.

[B]Rotations[/B]
Something not obvious to people is if there are 10 customers seated but only enough girls for 8 customers, those 8 customers will get 100% of the girls and the 2 last customers get none until it's caught up. There is no skipping. For example, if you are the 9th guy you will see the 8th guy get 3 girls before you even get your 1st girl. They will usually even tell you the wait until your 1st girl. This is why I say to show up 4:59pm to 5:01pm which guarantees you are first rotation. I am usually the 1st or 2nd customer in line when I show up 5:00pm. 5:10pm is a maybe, but when I showed up 5:20pm or after I've run into it.

So you are always queued up for a girl and it won't get taken from you in that sense at least. But curious if another girl shows up asap if you send yours away at the bill time.

To your intentions, when I want to make it a 6 or 9 girl night I tell the guy I'll do another 40 minutes again and again. Seeing 9-10 girls one after the other has never been a problem, it is low pressure. But, if there is one standout girl, it is nice to keep her. After all, the first night you meet a girl she's not going to put on a lot of pressure even if you keep extending her. And first night with a girl who just started this work can be extra hot. I show them the way.

It is kind of like gacha / gambling what girls you get, so when you win at Hosekinobako you'd be reluctant to go Leicester of course. Glad to hear they are loosening attitudes, I'm sure it will continue due to the yen and economy.

[B]Sweater Moon[/B]
Sweater Moon isn't the same level, but I did have fun and it is different. They have English signs so I assume they have a good share of English speaking customers. They are unusual in having I think 3 levels of girls drinks, so just order the girl a "single" rather than a double. None of them are expensive, but there are GPS girls who want the double so I just say "let's start with single and see how it goes". Their booths are semi-private. Their default outfits are ridiculous sweaters (see attached image). Never seen anything like it.

[B]Flamingo[/B]
Flamingo in Shibuya was a mixed bag, and ranks last on average Looks. The club is the opposite vibe of classy. There were a handful of A or B girls if I could just point and nominate them, plenty of C or D but at least those girls had some tits. I would even go back because the mileage was maximum. Just walking through the club I could see how far guys were getting, it is a Service over Looks club. The girl I got I really liked for her Service and she was a decent C, but she was brand new with braces and I had to coach her on the action. But she gave me anything I wanted, as much as I wanted. Other girls weren't far behind. You can call it "close your eyes good" since the girls had Service more than Looks.

I guess for you, there isn't much reason to go Leicester or the other clubs other than the small discount you get from the entry rate. And Leicester you ran into a wall, though I hope that will change in the future. Another factor is if oppai pubs seem cheap to you, then staying at one club means you save time without waiting. But, I do like the variety so I rotate clubs. Eventually, you'll run into the same girl randomly at HOS. I don't mind it, but with girls you just met you can do this better:

[QUOTE=Lucky Nuts;3065200]I told her if she's a good kisser I'd like to buy her a drink and the fun started![/QUOTE]

This is how to do it. If a girl asks for a drink early, say you want to see how good she is.

Attached is the rules posted on the wall of the Sweater Moon bathroom, of all places. Also another photo of [B]SM Himari[/B]. She is B Looks overall when clothed, but then her tits come out and they are top tier look and feel. I still remember them to this day. You won't even look at her face much, which is a good and cute face just not typical Hosekinobako level. For those tits, you'll forgive it.