Berlin

I am 23 year old guy living and working Berlin. I went to Oranienstrasse to pick up a prostitute tonight. I did not have to walk up and down the street too many times before I was solicited by a really hot girl. She said, "Do you want to go to my room? " (auf Deutsch). I responded "naturally, How much? " She said 50 for a BJ in park, 80 to go into a room.

Of course, I could not resist this offer of only 80 Euros to have sex with such a hot girl and hastily agreed. It was kind of (actually make that really) embarrassing to have to walk side by side with her until we got to the place where her room was, but whatever.

I only had a 100 Euros since I had two 50 EUR bills, so I asked if she could please give me change afterwards. She said that was fine. I knew there was a high likelihood I would never see those twenty EUR, but I still thought at the time 100 EUR to have sex with this girl is a bargain.

So I get naked and she gives me a massage. Meh, I hate these and never want them.

So then she gives me a HJ with condom! And, get this, fakes giving me a blowjob or at least I am 90% sure she was faking. It was really fucking weird. Anyone ever heard of a girl doing this? Can I request that she get down on her knees and let me stand? Why the hell do I always have to lie down and have them not look at me when giving me a BJ? Can't I ever receive one like they are meant to be received?

Anyway, then I'm about to cum so I tell her to please stop so that we can have sex. Her response shocked me: 150 EUR in order to have sex!

Since when did a ***** asking you to come into her room mean, "I will give you a handjob with a condom on and nothing more"?

I argued a bit, but could see I was getting nowhere so just sucked it up and told her to finish the HJ.

However, she was not done trying to swindle me.

She asked if I wanted to see her breasts. Of course I said yes.

I came about two minutes after this. However, as I was getting dressed, I reminded her of the 20 EUR she still owed me as change. She said she would change money as soon as she went downstairs.

Literally a minute later, though, she informs me that seeing her breasts costs 50 EUR normally, but because she is so generous she will only charge me 20! It was as though our previous conversation had never happened!

Anyway, is this typical behavior of Oranienstraße prostitues?

I'm not a very assertive guy, so is there a way for me to avoid having this happen to me in the future?

I got to admit, I like the idea of street prostitutes much more than brothels. The idea of seeing a really hot girl on the street and then having sex with her is much more of a fantasy come true for me than seeing a girl in as artificial a setting as a brothel.

Thanks for any advice on how to

A. Get a BJ while standing

B. Actually have sex with a street girl.

[QUOTE=Unter]

Thanks for any advice .[/QUOTE]


Hi,

From the sounds of it your experience was pretty typical of street girls from this area. True they can look good, but they are all about separating you from your cash while making as little effort as possible. The hand bj is also a very common technique used by these girls to avoid giving a real bj. Many will do the same thing with the pussy. That is, put their hand down there and generally make the whole experience so frustrating that you just give up and leave.

If you really do get some juice from picking a girl up I suggest the area around Bülowstr. in Schöneberg.

[url]http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=buelowstr&sll=52.250362,13.210466&sspn=0.90969,2.389526&ie=UTF8&cd=1&hq=&hnear=B%C3%BClowstra%C3%9Fe,+10783+Berlin&ll=52.497675,13.361607&spn=0.014134,0.037336&z=15[/url]

The girls there are less glamorous but I think you will have a better chance at finding someone who will actually service your needs. But be warned-this area is a little rougher in all ways and thus perhaps a little more dangerous.

In general street prostitution is a very frustrating way of meeting the ladies. The whole set up is very transient and the girls do not really expect to see you as a repeat customer. So where is their incentive to not just milk you of as much money as possible? Generally it does not exist. In my own adventures on the street, and this is quite some time back in a large N. American city, I found that maybe one session in 10 would be good. The rest varied from average to terrible. I really think that if one insists on finding girls this way, one has to accept these odds. And of course if yo can find and sign onto a good local forum where the guys who frequent the streets write their experiences, your odds are improved.

Personally I have to recommend using the bordellos here in Berlin. You might find them more "artificial" but you will get much better treatment in nicer surrounding. I am sure that any number of the Liberty crew would be able to supply you will a standing bj, uncovered for the half hour, fully naked for 80 euros.

Please read the Berlin thread. There are plenty of reports and recommendations in the back pages.

[QUOTE=Unter] I went to Oranienstrasse to pick up a prostitute tonight.[/QUOTE]
Bad rap alright, Unter.

But do you mean Oranienburgerstrasse instead of Oranienstrasse???

Yes, I did, but since my computer is currently sent to English, and I don't have an umlaut I didn't feel like writing out the full name.

One of my friends has recently been to Berlin and he is a guy who already naturally is good in picking up girls (without paying for them), but what he told me about Berlin. That's crazy!

He told me about the Berlin club-scene that you in a lot of big clubs but according to him it's almost like one big orgy, especially in the gothic & alternative clubs, that is is allowed to have sex in clubs and that they have special areas in the clubs where people have sex. According to him girls in Berlin are really extremely open-minded and sexually open.

Okay, this might be true, BUT are they really so open-minded as he described me?

So, is it a fairy tale or is it partially true?

[QUOTE=Worldbank]One of my friends has recently been to Berlin and he is a guy who already naturally is good in picking up girls (without paying for them), but what he told me about Berlin. That's crazy!

He told me about the Berlin club-scene that you in a lot of big clubs but according to him it's almost like one big orgy, especially in the gothic & alternative clubs, that is is allowed to have sex in clubs and that they have special areas in the clubs where people have sex. According to him girls in Berlin are really extremely open-minded and sexually open.

Okay, this might be true, BUT are they really so open-minded as he described me?

So, is it a fairy tale or is it partially true?[/QUOTE]

First, I am by no means an expert on the Berlin club scene. But I would imagine that you could find such clubs in Berlin. To say that this is the norm for clubs (orgy rooms, public sex) may be stretching the truth a bit. And I also imagine that these clubs, should you find them, will not be solidly a hetero environment. If you know what I mean.

The first girl is gorgeous but I can't see contact details listed anywhere on that site I haven't used it before, can someone help me out?

Anything more about Jessy would be nice also

[QUOTE=Hazukis]This can be one Choice for you.

[url]http://www.poppinserate.com/anzeige.php?id=1144[/url]

Also a real Gothgirl
[url]http://www.jessy-escort.de[/url]
The Pictures do not reale Show it, but this Girl is big tatooed .

The first one I don't know, the second one I can personaly give a very good Note.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Worldbank]
He told me about the Berlin club-scene that you in a lot of big clubs but according to him it's almost like one big orgy, especially in the gothic & alternative clubs, that is is allowed to have sex in clubs and that they have special areas in the clubs where people have sex. According to him girls in Berlin are really extremely open-minded and sexually open.
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There are at least 2 clubs (KitKat and Insomnia) where this does occasionally occur - I´ve heard of a few others. If you search ye Olde Interweb, you can see how it works - have to dress the part (fetish mode encouraged). Would also say German girls' reputation is definitely true, and Berlin especially as it´s kind of a tradition here. It was even more so in the wild East behind the Wall-sort of the one area where anything went.

If you are civilized, not too pushy and show a little charm and humour, great things can happen easily (isn´t that odd...?). I´d try more but simply don´t have the time and need to increase the odds to 100%, when there is time. Plus being in a steady relationship, risks too great for complications. And as this forum, and the one covering the local Love Bahnhoff (Artemis) chronicle, the mongering scene is pretty ripe. I feel safer in these realms but to each his own..

But WorldBank, shouldn´t you be focussed on making responsible loans to developing countries?????

Komrades

Does anyone have any first hand recent field experience from The Chateau, Haubachstr 22 in Charlottenburg near U R Wagner. Website(s) seem down and can´t find no nothing. Is it even open?? Thanks. Tired of Artemis which is just seeming stale....

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0]Komrades

Does anyone have any first hand recent field experience from The Chateau, Haubachstr 22 in Charlottenburg near U R Wagner. Website(s) seem down and can´t find no nothing. Is it even open?? Thanks. Tired of Artemis which is just seeming stale....[/QUOTE]


Hi RB,

I went there once but it was probably about 2-3 years back. I was always tempted by the girls found on the web page. Upon arrival though I found girls who looked nothing like the girls shown on the website. Rather they were all older and looking very rough. I sat and ordered a 10 euro draft beer and was set immediately upon by a girl who wanted a 200 euro bottle of champagne before she would even consider going to a room. This sort of behavior I can well understand with a girl who was, say, a 8.5-9.5 in looks. But this girl I remember was truly awful and very aggressive in her approach. I drank my beer and fled as fast as I could. But the website was working when I tried it.

[url]http://www.chateau-girls.de/[/url]

As for alternatives to Artemis-I really think that your choices are limited. You could always give La Folie a try. Much less to get in (14 euros last time I was there) but the girl selection is limited and not top tier IMO. But certainly not terrible and if you find a girl you like...

Be warned tough, La Folie is probably one of the smokiest environments I have ever experienced. If you go you can be sure that you will leave, even with your clothes stashed in a locker, reeking of smoke. If you have a significant other best be prepared with a story that includes a visit to a smokey bar because you will smell of cigarette smoke when you get home.

There is also a place over in east Berlin, Friedrichshain, called Carena. I have not read much about it in the German forums but have always thought it looks worth a visit. But I can well imagine that you will be asked to buy lady drinks. Hopefully though it will be of the cheaper piccolo variety. Here is the website.

[url]http://www.party-live.de/[/url]

Another possibility is L'amour 2a.

[url]http://www.lamour2a.de/index.php?id=girls&lang=de[/url]

This is actually more of a bordello than a club but they do have a small bar where you can sit and have a drink or two, meeting the ladies if you like, before deciding which one to chose. I have been here twice and both times had good experiences. The only thing I would have to say though is that while you are welcome to sit and have a drink, it is not a place that I personally would want to spend too many hours hanging out like I do in Artemis. But then drinking has a very limited appeal to me.

Finally there would be the King George flat rate club. My misgivings aside, this place has had several good reviews here on ISG and plenty of praise on the German boards.

[QUOTE=Fascination]The first girl is gorgeous but I can't see contact details listed anywhere on that site I haven't used it before, can someone help me out?

Anything more about Jessy would be nice also[/QUOTE]


It says on the website that if you are interested in contacting this girl you need to do so though the website. I am not sure how to do that though I imagine it involves registering on the site. If this registration costs money I do not know.

AM

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0]There are at least 2 clubs (KitKat and Insomnia) where this does occasionally occur - I´ve heard of a few others. [/QUOTE]

If memory serves there is a review some pages back of Insomnia. I think the reviewer visited on a GB night and had a fairly positive experience.

As for the KitKat-I myself visited a number of years back. As I understand it the KitKat has been around for many years in Berlin but is not a club per-say, rather a group of people who are into the SM/fetish scene and run the club in various locations. That is there is no permanent club but it moves from place to place.

When I went it was in a big old warehouse in Templehof. I went with a female friend who is actually a lesbian and we arrived as a couple with her pretending to be my mistress...

Old Angus was dressed for the occasion in the male equivalent of a thong (I guess you could call it a fancy jockstrap) and little else. The atmosphere was reasonably friendly, more or less hetero and not at all unpleasant. But it was also very heavily geared towards the fetish scene.

I did not see very much sex at all. I do remember seeing a girl being publicly fisted and plenty of nudity. There was also a very graphic SM show later in the evening involving whips and dildos in all holes.

My one caveat, as I mentioned before, is that this atmosphere is by no means strictly a straight environment. That is you will have to be comfortable with partying along side gay men and lesbians as they do make up a large part of the cliental. In my experience nobody there is in anyway pushy about their sexuality, but it is there and you have to be secure enough to deal with it if you see men kissing and even perhaps sucking each other off.

The other thing is that getting past the door might be a bit difficult for single hetero males. When I went, as mentioned, I was with a female and thus was admitted without question. But after an hour my friend wanted to leave. I was told at that point that I would have to leave with her. They are not to enthusiastic about having unknown single men milling about. I was told that single straight men often cause problems they wish to avoid. It was only after talking with the door woman at length about myself that I was permitted to stay.

So I do think that if you show up as a single male, obviously a tourist, you might just have difficulty getting in. Other than that it was sort a fun evening though I was never in the least tempted to go back. But then the whole SM/fetish thing does little for me.

Hi guys

I am going to Amsterdam for a concert on the 18th, and following with a concert in Berlin on the 20th, and then staying for a couple of days.

Regarding Berlin this is my first time there, and my first experience with p4p outside of Thailand.

I have been studying the board and a lot of websites. This is what I have come up with as far as ideas and questions:

I want to visit King George to experience the closest western civilization has so far come to the fall of Rome. Seriously, a flat rate all you can fuck? That has got to be tried. As sick as it is.

Then I have my eye on this girl at L'amour: [url]http://www.Lamour2a. De/index.php? Id=girls&lang=en&model_id=24[/url]

Her brown eyes sound good, and the body is just my type. But I hear bad things about L'amour on the forum, any tips?

I also want to try Caligula's flat rate but reviews have been scarce and comments pretty negative. Any new info on that, or should I just take one for the team and report?

Then there is the "2 for 1" craze going on ([url]http://www.Club-sternchen. De/[/url] and [url]http://www.Erotische-modelle. De/index.html[/url] and [url]http://www.Stella-berlin. De/index.php? Home[/url]).

Well I never tried two girls so I am thinking about it. Does anyone have any info on these offers? Are they for real, and are they worth anything?

Is there a better place (better girls with whom) to get that first experience?

Then last but for me definitely not least, this girl Cheyenne at MARISSAGE:

[url]http://www.Omello.de/modelle/girl-cheyenne-aus-berlin-blonder-traum-mit-blauen-augen-000257.php[/url]

Site says nothing about price, so I will have to give them a call, but she looks fantastic (to me). Just my type in every way, especially the face. Have you guys got info on this place. Apparently it's just two girls working there at the moment.

Any input on these ideas and girls will be most welcome. And anyone wanting to meet up for a beer is welcome too.

Thank you for a great forum, and sorry I have so far only really posted on a Phuket site.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Hi RB,

I went there once but it was probably about 2-3 years back. I was always tempted by the girls found on the web page. Upon arrival though I found girls who looked nothing like the girls shown on the website. ...Be warned tough, La Folie is probably one of the smokiest environments I have ever experienced. ...There is also a place over in east Berlin, Friedrichshain, called Carena. I have not read much about it in the German forums but have always thought it looks worth a visit. [url]http://www.party-live.de/[/url]

Another possibility is L'amour 2a.

[url]http://www.lamour2a.de/index.php?id=girls&lang=de[/url]

This is actually more of a bordello than a club but they do have a small bar where you can sit and have a drink or two, meeting the ladies if you like, before deciding which one to chose. I have been here twice and both times had good experiences.[/QUOTE]

Hi Angus - as always, your knowledge is encyclopedic. I shall ponder a rethink, though I have been to all without much oomph, over the years.
On the other - indeed after being down for hours yesterday, the Chateau website swallowed its digital Viagra and was finally up. I was underwhelmed to the max and your comments above nailed the coffin shut.

I did stray over to Van Kampen recently to be quite pleasantly surprised to become reacquainted with a long lost, scortching hot bed buddy (Holly) whom I can highly recommend. You have to like your tall Teutonic busty blondes but she is just on fire. Even though it´s a nice place, VK is still somehow a paragon of disorganization - always delays, confusion between who picks up the phone and what is really going on, etc. Just have to allow plenty of time for as the Brits say - faffing about.

I believe the cure is a trip to the Rhein-Main O-zone- hopefully end May if weather, wallet, and volcanic clouds cooperate.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0]I believe the cure is a trip to the Rhein-Main O-zone- hopefully end May if weather, wallet, and volcanic clouds cooperate.[/QUOTE]


Hi RB,

Well from the sounds of it you may well be suffering from Mongers Malaise. That is when one just can not seem to find what one wants. It brings to mind this particular anthem to dissatisfaction:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgtBDG6_gcQ[/url]

Maybe not everyone's cup 'o tea but I like the plaintive energy of wanting something new expressed in the song.

And I do think a road trip may well be the cure (at least short term) for monger's malaise.

Life is indeed "short and filled with stuff".