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Sedition (or anyone else who may know).

Was there any upcharging for CIM or Greek with the Unicorns, or was that included in the 300? Also how much was the duo MUH?

Thanks in advance.

Keep in mind the German sex scene is much bigger than in Canada. There are lot of escorts, brothels, massage parlors in addition to FKK Clubs.

[QUOTE=Ektor234;2084811]Sedition (or anyone else who may know).

Was there any upcharging for CIM or Greek with the Unicorns, or was that included in the 300? Also how much was the duo MUH?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]One of the selling point of the Unicorns is that there are no upsells. They do what they do for the stated price.

The last time I had a two hour threesome, the price was the same as Sedition reported. 750 Canadian dollars for two hours.

No mention of upsells for anal, CIM, fetish, etc.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2084820]Keep in mind the German sex scene is much bigger than in Canada. There are lot of escorts, brothels, massage parlors in addition to FKK Clubs.[/QUOTE]There is a fine line between too big / too inexpensive, and just right.

We will all have different opinions on this.

In Montreal, it is still very much a personal service transaction, not a commodity.

The Montreal sessions are generally one hour and there is incentive for the provider to perform a GFE service, in order to get repeat business and get good reviews.

There is a difference in provider attitudes if she is one of a thousand sex workers operating one night in a market dominated by many $75 half hour sessions, versus being one of a hundred sex workers operating one night in a market dominated by relatively fewer $200 one-hour sessions.

Sometimes agencies ask on merb if there is demand for half hour sessions. Most guys say yes, and I say be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. I think the GFE aspect, particularly BBBJ, would decline considerably if a provider does continuous half-hour sessions. We sometimes (often in fact) underestimate the joy of getting to know each other that occurs during longer sessions. It is hard to quantify that, but it exists.

I can favorably remember more of the one and two hour sessions I have had throughout the world, than I can the half hour quickie sessions. I struggle to remember the names of most of the half hour sessions.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2084820]Keep in mind the German sex scene is much bigger than in Canada. There are lot of escorts, brothels, massage parlors in addition to FKK Clubs.[/QUOTE]Fair but my point was more specifically FKK vs escort scene in Montreal VFM and quality leans to Montreal.

For muh, the 300 includes that stuff though Greek depends on if the girls enjoy it (check their likes page). Some girls like it more than others.

For duo check their blog they have new price structure listed. For 2 hours I paid 750 but that price is no longer applicable I think.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2084860]There is a fine line between too big / too inexpensive, and just right.

We will all have different opinions on this.

In Montreal, it is still very much a personal service transaction, not a commodity.

The Montreal sessions are generally one hour and there is incentive for the provider to perform a GFE service, in order to get repeat business and get good reviews.

There is a difference in provider attitudes if she is one of a thousand sex workers operating one night in a market dominated by many $75 half hour sessions, versus being one of a hundred sex workers operating one night in a market dominated by relatively fewer $200 one-hour sessions.

Sometimes agencies ask on merb if there is demand for half hour sessions. Most guys say yes, and I say be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. I think the GFE aspect, particularly BBBJ, would decline considerably if a provider does continuous half-hour sessions. We sometimes (often in fact) underestimate the joy of getting to know each other that occurs during longer sessions. It is hard to quantify that, but it exists.

I can favorably remember more of the one and two hour sessions I have had throughout the world, than I can the half hour quickie sessions. I struggle to remember the names of most of the half hour sessions.[/QUOTE]Amen, especially the remembering sessions vs just being forgotten memories.

Great trip report, Sedition. It's gotten to the point that I bypass all my local options and just have a Montreal buffet every few months. I prefer longer appointments (2 hours) so I don't do volume like you but that's because I intend on wrecking every lady I see. I prefer outcall but definitely don't blame you for being concerned about noise. When I was there a few weeks ago, I heard a clear conversation while waiting for the elevator on my floor. At that point, all illusions that the loud female sounds emanating from my room went unheard from the previous afternoon were promptly shattered. But it was funny and it doesn't matter much because hotel sex is always more fun for me.

Can you confirm if Sonia is a squirter?

Thanks Sedition. Great Info.

While I have traveled Latin America, the Caribbean and Asia and have experienced venues where you could walk in and interact with 20,30, 40 plus pros. Many of these places are quite exhilarating when presented with such beauty all at once. Each venue was organized differently, but the amount of women available was the important characteristic.

One distinction I would make for Germany FKKs and Montreal is the availability of women of European descent. Obviously, German FKKs offer the exhilaration of meeting a large group of women in one venue. Montreal does not.

It's good to hear your opinions. I've generally had good experiences and service in the second world / third world regions noted above. I suspected that German FKK service generally was not on par.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2085853]good to hear your opinions. I've generally had good experiences and service in the second world / third world regions noted above. I suspected that German FKK service generally was not on par.[/QUOTE]Depends. In most of my personal experiences, I get very good service from almost all my FKK providers (with few exceptions). I find the service on par with Montreal providers. With FKK though, I am paying almost half the Montreal rate (on a time basis). Plus, in FKK, if things are not going swimmingly for some reason, I always have the option of aborting within the first half hour without committing to a whole hour. In Montreal, however, I am generally committed to a minimum of an hour with no half hour option available.

Granted, Montreal might be more friendly to newbies than FKKs as some providers in FKKs are less forgiving to newbies. But, once you are experienced and know your way around FKKs, the results can be quite agreeable.

Like others have noted, there's no substitute for being surrounded by dozens of naked chicks in an environment just oozing sex with the ability to take any of those girls to the room and beginning activity whenever you're ready. In Montreal, on the other hand, you have to search online, book a reservation for take-out, wait for your take-out to be delivered; then, you are constrained to a certain time slot, often without the ability to extend (unless she is not booked in the following time slot) and without the ability to easily repeat later (due to the more booked and limited nature of the schedule of the girls). It's just not the same as spending 12 hours in an FKK sex "circus" / wellness facility. My favorite club in Germany is Oase in Frankfurt. Just my personal preference. I also like the more social aspect of the FKKs vs. The Montreal ordering take-out brand of mongering.

I'm not trying to start a Montreal vs. FKK war or anything like that. I'm just sharing my personal perspective. I didn't even know about FKKs when I first found out about Montreal. But once I discovered FKKs, I never returned again to Montreal. Yes, my love of FKKs is that strong. In my opinion, there's simply no comparison.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2085896]Granted, Montreal might be more friendly to newbies than FKKs as some providers in FKKs are less forgiving to newbies. But, once you are experienced and know your way around FKKs, the results can be quite agreeable.[/QUOTE]UltraHappy, I don't want to dissect your words, but I was surprised by your comment that FKKs might not be too "friendly" to newbies. That's kind of the whole point since many here might not have a whole lot of experience in this type of environment. You also have to keep your head while naked women are swimming all around trying to lure you. I bet you rely on your instincts to choose girls and your negotiation skills to avoid upselling. That's fine, but it sounds like FKKs require more interactive screening than other destinations.

I have recommended Rio termas to newbie buddies knowing they will only have to walk-in and the girl of their choice will fuck their brains out including CIM and anal if desired with a 90-95% success rate. Montreal also seems fairly strait forward for an escort model.

Having said that, I'm sure a lot of us would have a blast in a place like FKK Oase.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2085915]UltraHappy, I don't want to dissect your words, but I was surprised by your comment that FKKs might not be too "friendly" to newbies. That's kind of the whole point since many here might not have a whole lot of experience in this type of environment. You also have to keep your head while naked women are swimming all around trying to lure you. I bet you rely on your instincts to choose girls and your negotiation skills to avoid upselling. That's fine, but it sounds like FKKs require more interactive screening than other destinations.
[/QUOTE]When I was a dumb newbie in Montreal, almost all the take-out I had delivered to my room turned out to be quite nice. No complaints really -- at least none that I recall. So, I readily admit that I experienced good service levels in Montreal, even as inexperienced as I was back in those days. So, I'm not knocking Montreal. Montreal is a great city and in fact, it's my favorite city in all of Canada.

What I was referring to, with my admittedly not so clear reference in my original note, was that every FKK club has a few bad apples, some clubs more than others. You may have to spend some time figuring out who the bad apples are and avoid them (either by screening them, artfully managing them in the room, or by simply making the mistake of going to the room with them and chalking one up for the team). That being said, each "mistake" only costs 50 Euros in FKK land. All that being said, it doesn't take much effort to find a few great providers in the bunch since there are so many providers all at one place, all desperately competing for your Euros right then and there. It's also easy to watch the interactions of others or chat up some of the guys to find out who the bad apples are as well. Almost everyone is really friendly in FKK land -- after all, we're all basically in holiday mode there.

In FKK land, the girls are all highly motivated to keep me happy in the room the whole time we are together, because they know that I will stay in the room longer with them as long as I happy. Each girl knows that there are 50 girls outside our room who are ready to jump in and replace her, so the girl I am with is constantly trying to ensure that I am happy because she gets another 50 Euros every extra half hour we stay together -- unless the girl is a bad apple, in which case she may have a different mentality (but then I won't repeat with that girl and I will be on to the next girl). But the bad apples are a small minority at FKKs in my experience (but if you are a newbie, it is easy to fall pretty to the bad apples, because the bad apples will always aggressively attack the new faces -- they have to because the regulars already know who the bad apples are and won't go to them -- that's why newbies are particularly susceptible to the attack of the bad apples).

Anyways, I recommend that everyone try FKK land at least once. I understand that it won't be everyone's cup of tea for whatever reasons, but the only regret of most people I know who tried FKKs was that they wish that they had only learned of FKKs sooner.

Ok, this is the Montreal thread, not the FKK thread. So, I will try to contain my passion for FKKs and sign off this topic. I know the FKK vs. Montreal debate surfaces from time to time and some of the long time readers of this thread are probably tired of hearing about FKKs here. So, on that note, I am turning your thread back to the usual suspects.

Happy Mongering!

Very valid points from both of you and I do look forward to visiting other places in the world Wyatt (Thailand is looking next on my radar unless I visit Tijuana first).

I need to visit Latin America and Asia any recommendations between them for someone who is non native speaker? I'm brown and have good street smarts but unsure what's accessible.

To ultra happy, your points are 100% valid. Going into an FKK now I'd have a 200% better time than I did initially and I did have a few favorites after my three days at sharks I'd likely have repeated with and the social nature of FKK is very valid in terms of better fun. The thing I'd say ID that sometimes menu is nice if you can read online reviews and confirm someone is fun but there is fun to being in an FKK drinking a beer casually sunbathing before going for a session and then showering and repeating I 100% agree.

I need to visit more FKK, only ended up doing Palaces and Sharks.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2079356]All Montreal hotels are SP friendly. A few have elevator key cards, so you simply have to go to the lobby to meet her. But the hotels do not care who you take up to your room. The last time I stayed at the Intercontinental, there were no elevator key cards, in other words the lady could come straight up to the room without needing to insert a room card.

I don't know why you would fool with a massage parlor with so many reviewed escorts offering outcall (and incall if you want that for some reason). Reviews of massage parlors with a published address are not allowed on the local board if they contain explicit details, and their popularity has declined amongst locals for that reason, and also because the mayor is dedicated to shutting them down through licensing issues. You are better off pursuing the multitude of reviewed escorts.[/QUOTE]Has any of massage parlors in Montreal been shut down? I remember reading about the now current Mayor wanting to shut the down, but I haven't heard any updates since.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2085950]Has any of massage parlors in Montreal been shut down? I remember reading about the now current Mayor wanting to shut the down, but I haven't heard any updates since.[/QUOTE]According to this thread, yes.

[URL]https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?154032-What-has-happenned-to-the-Massage-Scene/page5&highlight=Massage[/URL]

We aren't talking about raids with cops dressed in combat fatigues dragging out and interrogating customers and ladies.

Places get accused of zoning violations and agree to shut down, or new zoning rules are passed and they don't get a new license at the renewal date.

Plus after the "C-36" law, it is simply more risky to operate a known address place with visible advertising where sex occurs. The police haven't pursued the law, but if they do prove that commercial sex transactions occur, the owners could face criminal charges.

So the scene has shifted to outcall, and very discrete incall in condos, hotels and apartments that is invisible to the public.

Has anyone tried a tantric massage from a unicorn? If so was it just a massage or was it FS?