Berlin

[QUOTE=Traderx]Is there info about Swingeroase looks like a fun place to hang out and burn off some jet lag.

Do they have a gym or just sauna?[/QUOTE]


Hi Trader,

When asking for help such as is this post it really helps to supply a link if you have one, or a better description of where/what the place is. I assume as you will be suffering jet lag that you come from out of town. You must have heard of the place somewhere, I assume the internet.

Other wise I have to do the work myself, google, and try to figure out where it is. While I am the driver of the welcome wagon, I am not stupid about it.

Supply a link and I will try to offer some thoughts or point you towards any info I can find easily.

Regards

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee] Also the girls there tend to favor the regulars (who come back month after month and spend) or the big spenders. The girl know who these guys are and seem to have a sort of sixth sense going on about it.
[/QUOTE]Hi AM,

How do the girls know if you are a big spender?

And how much should you spend to be a big spender?

I normally spend around 500-600€ (including entry fee) on 5-6 girls at a 14h stay at the FKKs and I don't consider myself as a big spender.

Example at Artemis

80€ entre

40€ massage

160€ ½h+anal, 1 girl

5x60€ ½h, 5 girls

CIM sometimes.

Some girls do notice I'm going with their friends as they do talk. But I don't think they favor me more for that reason. I think you'll get good service by being nice and choose your girls well, it works for me.

We don't want to tip the girls too much (maybe this could indicate if you a big spender or not, but tipping the girls is bad for other mongers), if the girl is good I promise her a repeat next time instead of tipping.

Nille

I had decided for short overnight trip to Berlin and some anal fun.

I took the train from the airport and after a change I walked to Liberty and rang the door.

Liberty

I had checked the webpage and found two candidates that were supposed to work that day and also do anal. They were Melissa and Michelle. I took the line-up anyway to see if there was something other that caught my eye, there were not and Melissa was not present either, so I picked Michelle.

Michelle 21 years old Polish girl, used to work at Salon Prestige.

I agreed upon a session 40 minutes of anal 80€ + 40€, I was asked if I wanted anything ells, I declined. We started with some nice cuddling that led to some kissing. She then went down and gave me a nice blowjob. We the got down to business, she started on top then we switched, after awhile I came, but I was horny so of with the condom and on with a new. Put on a little lube same more kissing and she guided it in, it felt really good, and she has a nice ass. You can feel she's into it, pushing hard back while pumped in doggy. Time was running out but I could not finish even if I really wanted to. I must say a really good session, because of the kissing I tipped 10€.

[url]http://www.Libertyberlin.de/michelle.htm[/url]

I went to lunch then checked in at the hotel, I started to feel like a Thai massage. I walked around trying to find one, took a long time but finally I saw a sign.

Wang spa

Wang spa 45 minutes for 50€ seemed like a lot but took it.

Was a so-so massage, she tried to sell me extra for 50€ but not really specifying what, I declined. I did not get a happy ending either. I would not go back.

Tiffany

Next day had made a reservation in advance for Beatrice at Tiffany's.

I've had session with her before but that was a few years ago. That was my first anal session at a brothel, for me that was really a good first experience.

I had booked 50 minutes with anal 100€ + 25€. Beatrice is a very slim girl with some nice tattoos; the only little downside from my side is she has very small breasts. We started out with some cuddling on the couch, no kissing on the mouth but a lot neck and so on. We moved on to the bed were she gave me a nice blowjob, after awhile she climbed on top. She does seem to be on top and in control of the tempo, after her riding for 10 minutes she started to warm her ass up then in it went. It was a good as the last time and she kept riding me. Time flies and I wanted to take her in doggy, I could see her face and body in the mirror as I finished. Ones again a really good session for me.

[url]http://www.Ritter11.de/bordell-girls/beatrice.php[/url]

In conclusion both girls do seem to like it in the ass. For me I would repeat with both. Beatrice has a little tighter ass though.

Kristoffer

Thanks Angus and Rocket,

Its looking like I will try out Artemis on Friday and Kamila Dee on Saturday - that is if I don't blow all my money in Artemis!! I will see when I get there in a few weeks.

I think Artemis is a place I really should see as its my first time in Berlin/Germany and FKK's are unique in a way to Germany.

I looked at Angus's videos on how to get to both locations which were great....

In regards to Kamilla Dee if I just show up without booking in advance is it likely that I will just get put with a random girl on the premises. I would have to book via email as I can't speak German.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen]

How do the girls know if you are a big spender?

And how much should you spend to be a big spender?
[/QUOTE]


Hi, N C,

In the end it is all relative. But if you are spending 5-6 hundred per visit I would say that you are a big spender. But it also depends upon the ease with which you spend it. This not so easy to quantify or explain as it is sort of a non logical, energy thing.

Keep in mind that this stuff is all my view on it and not to be taken as some concrete, cast in stone directive as to how things are. It is, as we say on the internet, IMHO.

Some guys spend a lot of cash, some spend a good amount of cash, some very little on a visit. But we also spend ourselves when we go to the club. By this I mean that we show up and simply have a good time, talking to girls, interacting with the staff in a pleasant manner, turning down girls without being an asshole about it, in general being there and adding to the fun for the girls who are there to make money and hopefully have a bit of this fun. The girls, at least many of them, notice all of this even if they do not consciously say, oh there is a guy with cash and he looks fun, they notice.

Women are way better than men at reading the energy of another. We men do tend to look at the surface of a person and take it for who the person is. Women, without really thinking of it as such, look at the person and feel in themselves what that person is about. Are they tight, relaxed, angry, these sorts of things. Men can also do this ( a good business man does it in business ) but especially in situations like the clubs we do tend to just look at the surface of things and go with our minds interpretation of events. That is, a girl who looks like a sex pot, dresses up like a sex pot, we think, oh-she must be hot in bed. In fact she is very often a cold fish in bed and the sex pot is sitting lonely in the corner in a plain dress and thick stockings.

Not all girls are good at this. They could be, but sometimes they let the business side of things take over for them. Who can blame them. They are there to make money. So they see a guy who is throwing around the cash and think that he must be generous and try to meet him. He may well have a lot of cash, she will extract it from him, but neither of them will have all that much fun along the way and in my books, I say at this point, why fucking bother? If there is no fun in something why do it?

So, back to the question of how do they know? They just know. Us mongers are a pretty easy lot to figure out for the girl with a minimum of smarts. We just want a good, relaxing time in the company of a beautiful woman and maybe want to play out some of our fantasies. The ease with which we do this is easy to see. So the big spenders are the guys who have a reasonable amount of cash in their locker and spend it with ease. Perhaps a better, more pertinent question is, how do I tell if I am a big spender, at least in the eyes of the girls.

The answer is that clubs, indeed life in general, has a built in results feedback loop that helps you to know. If you are really honest with yourself and ask yourself the question, did I have fun at the club tonight, and the answer is a definitive ,Yes, then you are a big spender. Be careful, many of us also have a mechanism in place that does not really want to see if we had a lousy time. So ask the question with ease, if the answer is-not really-do a short honest appraisal of why not and move on. There is no turning back and having a redo of the evening, unless you count the possibility of going again the next night. But this is not really a do over as you will have to haul out the wallet again and make new choices. If you learn from the previous evening you have more fun. If you just repeat the themes of the lousy evening, your results remain pretty even save for the chance encounter that Mother Chaos sends your way as a teaser.

I think I stop here. There is probably much more to say on the subject but it may well be more appropriate for my blog. This is, as I see it, the theoretical side of mongering/life. It is fun for a metaphysician like me to play with these ideas endlessly. I hope that some readers find it interesting. In the end though I say just go out there, experiment and play. Look at your results but not too, too long or hard. As a good friend of mine always says, a man who has really worked with this stuff, lives it and acts as an example for me-Easy is right. I add, Easy is easy.

Regards

AM

[QUOTE=Dustyrip]In regards to Kamilla Dee if I just show up without booking in advance is it likely that I will just get put with a random girl on the premises. I would have to book via email as I can't speak German.[/QUOTE]

KD is actually pretty good with the English. That is often the Hausmutti speaks it reasonably well and if not they call in one of the girls to interpret. And they are not at all uneasy with this. They recognize the out of town English speaker as a valued customer and treat him so. This is why, well one of the reasons, I think it is such an excellent bordello.

AM

Hi Am,

Man. I wish I had the time to write as much as you This discussion is quite interesting, we could take it offline some day.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Not all girls are good at this. They could be, but sometimes they let the business side of things take over for them. Who can blame them. They are there to make money. So they see a guy who is throwing around the cash and think that he must be generous and try to meet him. He may well have a lot of cash, she will extract it from him, but neither of them will have all that much fun along the way and in my books, I say at this point, why fucking bother? If there is no fun in something why do it?[/QUOTE]I agree. You should have fun spending your money and the girls should have fun too (for many of them more money is more fun). For sure the girls will try to take advantage of guys with lots of money (who wouldn't) and it's not sure that the girls provide better service for that reason.

Once I've spend almost 2000€ over 2 days at OASE, I went crazy fucked all the girls I could, had Ménage à trois several time, anal, CIM, prostate massage, dildofucked the girls (I've brought some new toys with me, everything was planned). On the first day a girl did tried to take advantage of me with lots of up sales, I agreed on some of the up sales, but damn sex with her was lousy, nice BJ though. I was more careful after this session and selected the girls with care.

The result of my spending, I had a lot of fun and I got many of my desires fulfilled.

The second day was perfect everything when smooth and the service from my favorite girls were over the top.

In the evening of the second day I remembered some girls said: "This guy has money".

So yes I know the girls notice when you are spending more cash than average.

I just want to have your view on it.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]So, back to the question of how do they know? They just know. Us mongers are a pretty easy lot to figure out for the girl with a minimum of smarts. We just want a good, relaxing time in the company of a beautiful woman and maybe want to play out some of our fantasies. The ease with which we do this is easy to C. So the big spenders are the guys who have a reasonable amount of cash in their locker and spend it with ease. Perhaps a better, more pertinent question is, how do I tell if I am a big spender, at least in the eyes of the girls.[/QUOTE]The girls are expert in observing us, as some of us are expert in observing the girls. It is part of the game, it is part of the girls job. Even if you sit in the dinning area admiring a beautiful girl from a far she would notice and play cool as she knows you are interested in her, she finish her food and walk past you in a sexy way (nice marketing strategy), knowing you will follow or find her later. I've seen this scene many times. It also works on me

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]The answer is that clubs, indeed life in general, has a built in results feedback loop that helps you to know. If you are really honest with yourself and ask yourself the question, did I have fun at the club tonight, and the answer is a definitive, Yes, then you are a big spender. Be careful, many of us also have a mechanism in place that does not really want to see if we had a lousy time. So ask the question with ease, if the answer is-not really-do a short honest appraisal of why not and move on. There is no turning back and having a redo of the evening, unless you count the possibility of going again the next night. But this is not really a do over as you will have to haul out the wallet again and make new choices. If you learn from the previous evening you have more fun. If you just repeat the themes of the lousy evening, your results remain pretty even save for the chance encounter that Mother Chaos sends your way as a teaser.[/QUOTE]I think having fun and spending money should be balanced, spending more is not equal with more fun,

It could indicate that you have made too many mistakes and want to compensate by spending on more sessions.

Like when you loose in the casino and you want to bet more to win back your money. (I've been there)

You can still have much fun with the girls without being a big spender, if you are a regular and have like 2x30 min. Session per stay, then I wouldn't consider you as a big spender. But you'll have much fun anyway, because most girls will know you and they have to work harder to convince you to session with them.

I often like to go to the same club 2 days in the row. On the second day I know the girls better and I know the atmosphere.

I can relax more and have more fun with girls. Avoiding the mistake I might have made. If I made 1 mistake out of 10 girls. I can live with that.

Ask yourself this: If you had a lousy time, why are you coming back for more.

Nille

[QUOTE=Dustyrip]Thanks Angus and Rocket,
In regards to Kamilla Dee if I just show up without booking in advance is it likely that I will just get put with a random girl on the premises. I would have to book via email as I can't speak German.[/QUOTE]

DustyRip

You won´t get "put with a random girl" but just be able choose from whomever is there and available at that moment which might be from 3-10 depending on the obvious.... My guess is Sat night will be slower (less talent) than Sat afternoon so bear that it mind. You could have a look and if nothing suits you (and at least you have the previous night´s Art´s experience as a benchmark) you can also try Van Kampen (close by) which can have some stunners. Look on both websites as you get closer to your date and see what´s what, but definitely call ahead maybe an hour or so, so you have some idea of schedule and reality (which can be different). You can ask in English if there are girls with what ever look and perversion you want etc. at what time, when are they free etc. But I would not make an appointment or email - things often change at the last minute-just try to get a sense of when are good times and turn up. You always have Artemis again as a back up...so don´t rush into anything.

All this soFistIkATed nolej has cost us a lot of time and energy and bucks....and here we just give it away so you youngin´s can carry the torch. And we are expecting reports dear boy...and not about architectural critiques of the rooms or the fascinating logistics of how you got there - but the real deal.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen]Hi Am,

Man. I wish I had the time to write as much as you This discussion is quite interesting, we could take it offline some day.
[/QUOTE]


Tried sending this pm but you can not receive them. So I post here.

Hi NC,

If you are coming to Berlin and want to meet for a chat over a coffe or beer just drop me a line and we can arrange a meet. I have met a number of ISG members like this and always enjoy it. At the moment I am available most evenings during the week, not so much on weekends.

Also I am at the moment loosely planning a trip to Artemis I think on the 15 Sept. A Wednesday (dessous day but what the hell) Toscan will be here and maybe a couple of others (Charlie? RB?)

Just so you know and if you are anywhere close by please do try to make it. Nice too have a few wingmen on hand and nice to meet other members in the wilds of Art.

Plus, I do have rather a strange connection to your name sake, Copenhagen. I will tell you when we meet.

Regards

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]KD is actually pretty good with the English. That is often the Hausmutti speaks it reasonably well and if not they call in one of the girls to interpret. And they are not at all uneasy with this. They recognize the out of town English speaker as a valued customer and treat him so. This is why, well one of the reasons, I think it is such an excellent bordello.

AM[/QUOTE]I concur, having very poor German skills have never been a problem at KD. Sure, I once got the time for an appointment wrong, but that was mostly my fault for trying to speak German, when I should have given up and insisted on English. It all worked out in the end, and I had a wonderful session.

Just give them a call, and if none are there to help you, just tell them that you'll call back in a couple of hours. After all, getting you an appointment is their business, and they are quite accomodating.

(sign me up for commision)

Hi AM.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]If you are coming to Berlin and want to meet for a chat over a coffe or beer just drop me a line and we can arrange a meet. I have met a number of ISG members like this and always enjoy it. At the moment I am available most evenings during the week, not so much on weekends.[/QUOTE]Hehe you are occupied at Artemis in the weekends ehehe.

Thanks for the invitation, I'll let you know in advance when I'm going to Berlin.

I want to try out Insomnia club [url]www.Insomnia-berlin.de[/url] next time,

If you are into that kind of club we could explorer the club together.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Also I am at the moment loosely planning a trip to Artemis I think on the 15 Sept. A Wednesday (dessous day but what the hell) Toscan will be here and maybe a couple of others (Charlie? RB?)[/QUOTE]You live relatively close to Artemis do you really need to plan a trip

Actually I want to visit the IFA messe (and Artemis) this upcoming weekend, but I don't know if I can make it. If I don't make this weekend, I'm planning to visit Artemis on the 29th Sep. Artemis 5 yrs birthdayparty.

Are you attending?

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Plus, I do have rather a strange connection to your name sake, Copenhagen. I will tell you when we meet.[/QUOTE]Please give me a hint, I'm dying to know.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0]DustyRip
......
..... choose from whomever is there and available at that moment .......
[/QUOTE]
Exact !!

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0]
....
My guess is Sat night will be slower (less talent) than Sat afternoon so bear that it mind.
...
[/QUOTE]
On saturday, the house closes at 21:00 (9:00 PM) : earlier than other days (see [url]http://www.kamilla-dee.com/presence-1.htm[/url] )

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0]
....
But I would not make an appointment or email - things often change at the last minute-just try to get a sense of when are good times and turn up. ....[/QUOTE]
There are 2 kinds of appointments

1) "Sample" appointments with "scheduled" ladies (only by phone calls, not email) :
[url]http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/appointment.htm[/url]

2) "Arrangements" (in the past, called "escort") with ladies who are not "scheduled" ( email or phone calls but not the same number) :
[url]http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/escort_4e.htm[/url]

Thanks a lot guys,

The plan at the moment is to go to Artemis on the Friday as I know I would be annoyed with myself if I didn't go there on my visit. I have a feeling Atemis may be like Darlings in Prague so €400 is as much as I can take really. Thats entrance and 5 sessions or 3 if I do CIM etc..I know the ways these gils can influence you into paying more so I need to be careful..

I will go to Kamila Dee or Van Kempen(or both) on Saturday during the day as I need to try to get to bed early with the Marathon on Sunday Morning. I am not sure whether I will have any money left to do anything on the Sunday its unlikely so I might just rest in the hotel until I fly home on Monday morning.

The thing with Kamilla Dee is they only do cbj. I am not a fan of this at all so this is the main reason why I wouldn't go here. If I do go I will just show up at the premises without ringing or emailing in advance. The women seem decent on the website and I am sure there will be one there who I would fuck!!

I read Angus's blog again and a lot of the Lower end places seem to do FrenchTotal so I might try these out athe than Kamilla Dee/Van Kempen.

So many decisions.

I realy should think more about this race!!

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Hi Trader,

When asking for help such as is this post it really helps to supply a link if you have one, or a better description of where/what the place is. I assume as you will be suffering jet lag that you come from out of town. You must have heard of the place somewhere, I assume the internet.

Other wise I have to do the work myself, google, and try to figure out where it is. While I am the driver of the welcome wagon, I am not stupid about it.

Supply a link and I will try to offer some thoughts or point you towards any info I can find easily.

Regards

AM[/QUOTE]Yep. Should have elaborated. Basically I been doing research using your blog the ISG forums here and Berlinintim. It seems that this place advertises an erotic event every day and is open 24/7 with a wellness area and even some kind of buffet. But surprised I've not seen it ever mentioned in the forums.

SwingerOase:

[url]http://www.Berlinintim.de/member/Event/Gangbang-Berlin-13886.html[/url]

[url]http://www.Swingeroase-zwiespalt.de/[/url]

Also related seems to be Insomnia but there is plenty of info about what to expect there.

I kind of want someplace relaxing, maybe even opportunity for some dancing and sessioning but be able to see some german culture maybe even meet some locals. So for me a 75E-100E place like these two sounds good enough. Worst case I get a couple beers and some bad food and watch some locals fuck.

But my preference would be to goto a PartyTreff but I can't tell which clubs are those. Are places like King George PartyTreffs?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Dustyrip]In regards to Kamilla Dee if I just show up without booking in advance is it likely that I will just get put with a random girl on the premises. I would have to book via email as I can't speak German.[/QUOTE]

I do forget that some folks do not know the scene. Just because you go into a bordello does not mean you have to stay if there is no girl there who tickles your bone. Watch the parade and if there is no one, say no thanks and you can leave. I have done this many times and only once caught a hint of attitude about it (VK if I remember correctly). Then go to the next nearest. In the case of KD that would be Royal or VK. You can shop around in Berlin but do not be rude about it. Just watch the parade and decide yes or no.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0]All this soFistIkATed nolej has cost us a lot of time and energy and bucks....and here we just give it away so you youngin´s can carry the torch. And we are expecting reports dear boy...and not about architectural critiques of the rooms or the fascinating logistics of how you got there - but the real dea[/QUOTE]

My sentiments exactly. I sure do not mind sharing what i know but I do so hoping you give back to the forum. It does not have to be a long piece but who you saw, how she was, maybe a few details (but be reasonably discreet if you want) and maybe would you repeat with the girl all things being equal.

Thanks for bringing it up RB

AM