Vienna

[QUOTE=Max#01;1971262]Read closely because "natursext" means[/QUOTE]To be precise:

Natursekt.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1970092]Come on. Somebody help me out here. Somebody has got to have some useful and reliable intel on this. Somebody help a connoisseur out![/QUOTE]Anal is definitely on the menu at GT for E60 extra (generally speaking). You need to speak to the girls, but generally it is the younger ones, I. E. Under 24 who are up for it. I would say that at GT about 1/3 or so is open to it. It is getting quieter now so maybe there will be more takers depending on your "size", and approach.

[QUOTE=MassimoPotente;1971269]To be precise:

Natursekt.[/QUOTE]Thanks for correcting my "senior moment" typo!

[QUOTE=RyeHumor63;1971475]Anal is definitely on the menu at GT for E60 extra (generally speaking). You need to speak to the girls, but generally it is the younger ones, I. E. Under 24 who are up for it. I would say that at GT about 1/3 or so is open to it. It is getting quieter now so maybe there will be more takers depending on your "size", and approach.[/QUOTE]Anal is possible for an extra cost of 120 EURO. If girls find out that somebody offers it for 60 they will bully her out of GT back into her motherland.

[QUOTE=MassimoPotente;1971705]Anal is possible for an extra cost of 120 EURO. If girls find out that somebody offers it for 60 they will bully her out of GT back into her motherland.[/QUOTE]Agreed. It is impossible to get anal sex for 60 EUR extra in GT. Some girls charge 60 EUR extra for anal digit not for anal sex.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;1971858]Agreed. It is impossible to get anal sex for 60 EUR extra in GT. Some girls charge 60 EUR extra for anal digit not for anal sex.[/QUOTE]Given the "apparent uproar" let me clarify my statement. I have on 2 occasions had it during hour long sessions with many extras, and as a result the total damage was E300 and more. On such an occasion, the addition of A-Levels was not at E120.

On my latest visit, having completed my first 3 course meal on Saturday I returned for another on Sunday, a day I have never visited GT before.

I arrived a bit earlier than the dinner bell, probably at about 6:30 pm and found myself in a room with no more than 8 gents, and 60+ girls. As there were so many and it was early, I decided to hang out at the bar and just survey the scene. While I was there, there was a girl occupying a seat. I didn't know if that was "her place" as the bar rarely is, so I thought given the lack of any clients she was just taking a break. We started chatting generally, and she told me she was Spanish, from Madrid and as the conversation persisted a fan of Barcelona. We chatted while I was trying to make up my mind given she was pretty facially but not really my type bodily if I was going to start with her. I wasn't sure but we were still talking when another girl came up, sat down, and basically in no uncertain terms told me to either move on or go to a room. She was completely rude about it, and given there were like I said no more than 8 punters around it was really strange and off putting.

Anyway that made up my mind for me, and then about 5 minutes later two girls came up to me offering a 3 some. (This is like pre-7 pm, clearly slow). One of the girls has approached me 4 times for a 3 some and I don't really fancy her but her friend was more interesting. I wouldn't say she was exactly my type, but rather I had seen her poll dance the previous night and she had a great ass, and a slim toned body (not much upstairs). Anyway, my impression of her was that she was likely to be "*****" but I decided that her ass would alleviate that. And thus we went to the room.

When we got in the room (upstairs), a few things became clear, I was right about the "*****" part, and therefore rather than go with my usual service approach, I took a more cautious view on the hour, asking just for kissing on top of the regular service (which she still wanted E30 for. Times are hard) Anyway she took off a lot of lipstick stepped off of her 7 inch stiletto and I found myself with a 1.53-1.55 Romanian in her early 20's, sort of "Bambi eyed", lithe, and nice nipples on small tits with a tight waist, and round pert bum. We did a bit of kissing (clearly not her thing) and then I went down on her, slowly teasing her all over before focusing my attention on her pussy. Given her nature I took my time, and explored both the inside and outside of her hole, under her hood, and over her lips. She had a tasty twat and after about 10 minutes started to lube nicely and enjoy it. I thought she was going to object to fingers, but as she was pretty wet and starting to breathe more heavily, while peering out "in my effort" from time to time, she let it go. I didn't insert too deeply but used the combo of my tongue, finger, and thumb to good effect. As she started to get closer I lifted her butt off the bed and while holding her legs probed deeply into her. I kept this up for a good 5 minutes, combining with licking, sucking, and kissing all around her very wet snatch. At first I thought things were going to be halted, but she arched her back, and started to legitimately moan, while I felt her muscles fucking my fingers. This lasted a further two minutes until she climaxed a few times in succession.

After she was done, her immediate response to me was "don't touch me there, please! Followed by "fuck, I'm dizzy and need a rest". Hmm, so much for the young ladies. I told her to take her time, and then I asked her if she would be kind enough to reciprocate. At this time, she began to lean over my cock and give me a blow job. As my cock got bigger, she stopped and told me that she was worried about my size and the effect I might have on her poor little pussy. I told her not to worry and so she somewhat reluctantly went back to give me some more attention, slipping on a condom while continuing with the blow job in anticipation. When I was good and hard, I told her to face the mirror and get into doggie. She told me she didn't want to be "fucked like a cow". (women!) so I gently eased my way in, and fucked her very slowly and deliberately. I then started to increase the tempo while gripping her waist and tight little waist and hitting her with slight slaps. She was grunting while I was increasing the rhythm, and I could sense it was getting too much, so I switched to a more missionary oriented position. We kept this up until there was about 5-10 minutes to go. I hadn't come yet, so she basically said it was going to have to be a handjob. I told her I wouldn't come with one so she went back to giving me a blowjob but put the cover on as I came close so it wouldn't get on her. (yes she was a bit hygienic). After that I shot my load (with some effort) and we came out. Damage E150. Not on my repeat list. Name unfortunately forgotten but she wears a white lace garter, and is one of two small tight body girls there.

After this I took a rest, sauna, steam room, ate some food, etc. And just chilled for a while trying to decide what was going to happen next. In the end events as they often do started to take on their own. My initial idea was to go after another really small lady who caught my eye and kept beckoning at me. She wasn't facially beautiful (a bit too angular) but she is like a mini firecracker, and what I refer to when I am in Thailand as a chilli patti girl, the kind who is is taunt muscle. Anyway I was about to get up and introduce myself to her and her Romanian gaggle (because there were 4 or 5 of them all together) when another girl approached me. I had seen her talking to an older guy (older than me at least) and thought she was OK, a bit chubby but with a pretty face and nice natural breasts. (not really my type if I'm honest). I found her to be a nice person, and to be honest I felt a bit sorry for her because I had seen her before and not with many customers, and thought "what the fuck" - its a 3 course meal -. Since I knew she wasn't my type I just opted for an hour with no frills. No frills makes intimacy a bit difficult so I decided since eating pussy is my main course, this would be what I would do. I told her that this was going to be where we started and she was more than happy, in fact eager to lie down and see what I was all about.

Once I got down there, I put my head in the game so to speak, and really concentrated on enjoying and giving enjoyment. To her credit she had a very moist slit, and while she applied the no finger rule, and kept her hands close by my own, I gradually figured out her hot buttons. I swirled my tongue around and under her hood over and over, varying my technique until she was basically like jelly. (I kid you not). Her orgasm when it came was like a huge wave with her legs literally locked around my head (like a vice grip in judo). Her comment when she calmed down to me was 1) was I actually a porn star, and 2) where the fuck did I learn that from. 3) fuck you have a big cock, too big. Now given that I really wasn't that taken with her, and her response was less than enthusiastic, I decided to call it quits after 35 minutes. I offered her E90 which she gladly took (for having a great orgasm) and we left the room, pronto. I have had a few occasions like this, but really didn't expect this from any girl at GT.

Anyway having not come I went back upstairs and find Kira (the little long haired brunette) now back and free. I was feeling as you can imagine a bit dissatisfied and thus went up to her pretty much right after getting out of the shower, brushing my teeth and gargling. Kira and I had a brief chat, and while she said she was very young, 23, I figured she might have been a bit older. In any case, the body spoke for itself, and so after a little wait we got a room, she was happy to offer a bit of kissing, but also wasn't interesting in fingering, nor being on top (at any point), and no anal. OK, not quite what I was hoping given it was dessert time, but we got down to it, and in the physical department I can see that I found my type, possibly a bit too tiny, but very firm and in the 69 position a heavenly ass. After some mutual foreplay, I decided to have a go at getting her up the mountain. Her pussy is actually a bit different in shape and it was certainly more fleshy than the others I had experience over the weekend. She had a larger clit, and more fleshy outer lips. This made the pussy eating a bit more challenging, but I am not ever one in this department to turn down the challenge. As things got steamy, Kira and I went through a kind of strength contest, her thigh muscles vs. My forearm and bicep muscles. For a women who probably weighed 45 kg (no more) she was pretty strong but I was determined and I opened her hole wide so I could get into her sweet core and under her hood. She watched me eating her for a good 10 minutes and I think the combination of technique and ardor finally nailed her. As with others, her muscles started rapid twitching and her breathing more labored as she climaxed.

We had a rest and then she started to give me a combination of a hand and blow job. I was pretty tired at first, but she kept up the pressure and eventually I started to enjoy the way she slid her tongue and mouth over and down my shaft. She couldn't deep throat me like Marta but she came pretty close and once I was ready we went into having hard sex. We started with her legs over my shoulders and my hands lifting her **** on to my cock and then we started to speed this up, moving smoothly into doggie. Kira's pussy was tight and she has a lot of control and a really wonderfully round ass, and we pounded away with each other for a good ten minutes. Time was again running along and I wasn't quite ready to come (damn condoms) so off came the hood and after a quick clean, she went back to a blow job. I got myself to the right place with her and shot my load on her tits in the end. Damage 130.

Overall it didn't match the first day, and to some extent It felt overall like a lot more business was going on, possibly because even when I left around 10:30 pm it was still quiet and there were not that many girls making money. I'll be taking a break from Vienna now as I am off to Hong Kong and then Australia and will try my luck I am sure in the Far East as well as Downunder. Good hunting to all over the holidays.

[QUOTE=RyeHumor63;1971870]Given the "apparent uproar" let me clarify my statement. I have on 2 occasions had it during hour long sessions with many extras, and as a result the total damage was E300 and more. On such an occasion, the addition of A-Levels was not at E120.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the uproar and I do not question your reports or experiences. However we wouldn't want people to expect anal for 60 when really it mostly costs 120.

Great report for a Sunday GT visit. The way you described the ladies I know exactly who you are talking about in your first and third session.

The thing with the girls asking money for kissing E30 and OWO E30-E40 is upsetting because obviously this is not an extra that anyone should have to pay for. Not in any of the Top 5 places in Vienna. If the a girl doesn't want to offer it then fine but charging extra for it is almost a scam and most likely due to her trying to exploit tourists or strangers. If that happens to you in Funpalast it probably makes no sense to speak to management about it. But in GT and Maxim (where it officially will be held against the girl) it makes total sense to voice it to the the bar staff or the reception person. If you already paid the extra fee or something this will usually not result in your money being returned but the girls will face consequences of some sort both in GT and Maxim.

On the German speaking forums we have recently heard about even E60 for OWO in Funpalast. It's getting out of control in my opinion.

Summary: newbies, AVOID. Shark tank ahead. Try a club in NRW Germany instead, one with a reliable service level, for your first experiences. Pro FKK'ers: possibly good for one or two visits if you happen to be in Vienna and pick carefully, but only if you enjoy the thrills of Russian roulette. There is nothing here that you won't get in the Frankfurt clubs at a lower price.

I visited GT Vienna over the past few days and had some delicious sexual experiences: however, it was really like pearl diving in shark-infested waters, I. E. Some rewards but too much risk. I kept seeing guys (mostly tourist types) coming out of rooms with shattered / hangdog expressions, and I knew that no matter how careful I was eventually the same thing would happen to me. I have many years of experience identifying and filtering out con-women: however, the numbers here were just too overwhelming, maybe 90%, and yes, eventually I was caught.

But first some history! For a long time on the Austrian forums, punters have been complaining about how the "Romanian pimp mafia" have taken over the FKK culture in their country. I don't know how true that is, but it does feel like a different (and worse) situation than in Germany. Anyway in 2014 the management of Goldentime opened a new club in Linz. To populate the club, a group of Romanian girls with a sharky mindset was allowed to enter, and they all charged extra money for BBBJ and DFK, with the result that business was poor, and after some initial interest the club was largely abandoned by patrons. This meant that the Linz group got a bit starved of meat, and moved to GT Vienna, where they imposed the new sharky customs on all the other girls. They weren't entirely successful. For example, I spoke to a girl (I won't mention her nationality in case she is identified) who said she loved DFK but it would have to be a "secret". I thought that was backward. In Germany a girl would want to keep secret giving bad service not good service.

By the way today nearly half the girls claim to be of different nationalities like Moldova, the Ukraine and Hungary, but they all speak Romanian with each other. Still a few authentic Bulgarians, and I enjoyed one. A different Bulgarian lady got into an earnest conversation with me and told me to avoid the Romanians because they have "no heart". A bit harsh perhaps. Let me say many of my exciting sexcapades have been with awesome Romanian girls in Germany. But I think it is true that in GT Vienna things are too controlled.

When you chat to a GT girl, the first thing she will want to know is "Is it your first time here?" First time visitors are their main market. Easy meat. The flipside of that is that many of the girls actively discourage regular visitors: it is seen as running counter to the business model, I. E. Taking advantage of tourists. Repeat business is most determinedly *not* sought after. For example, see the report of RyeHumor63 below. On his first day he spent a ton of money on the girls but nevertheless was treated worse on his second day. I can say from my own experience it gets worse the more days you go.

How did I know I was surrounded by sharks? Well, a lot of the girls seemed really sweet to me at first. But if I ever turned one down, however politely, the mask really dropped: there would be some gypsy curse or she would suddenly turn into an ice princess or something like that. Of course I am used in FKKs to seeing a little disappointment from a girl, but it is weird to see her turn into a totally different person. Whenever that happened in GT Vienna (and it kept happening), I realized that I had very nearly been fooled and had just narrowly escaped a truly dire experience in the room.

For a while my radar was accurate, and I picked only gems who were consistently sweet both in and out of the room. But for every one of these I had to go through ten girls who were very shark-like. Eventually, as I said, my luck failed me. I was chatting with a beautiful girl from Moldova, and we were having a great time, and she was laughing with everything I said, and it seemed like a no-brainer to bring her to a room. Once in the room, she immediately turns into a monster and demands 40 for kissing (which I ignore), then argues over BBBJ. She says she cannot believe that any other girl in the club would agree to BBBJ, though actually all of them did with me. She ends up giving me a lousy BBBJ but gets more and more argumentative. I start fucking her, and she is actually trying to hold onto the condom as I am doing it. When I ask her what the hell she is doing, she says she does this with every customer and gets away with it. This is final confirmation of what 90% of the club is like.

I was previously in the club in 2012 and since then the entry fee went from 80 to 90; none of the profits went into improving the club. From the dark grotty showers to the mediocre food to the half-filled lattes to the missing jacuzzi to the fuck-you attitude of the 10-euro-an-hour reception staff, everything speaks of neglect and contempt for the customer. Also, you will notice how the girls are allowed to use cellphones in the club, but guests are not. It's the first time I saw that dynamic, and I sure hope I never see it again.

The saddest thing is that despite all its flaws, GT is probably still head and shoulders above the other places I didn't bother to visit in Vienna, like Funpalast ("A heaven for Turks") and Maxim (ladies drinks! Enough said).

Something happened to my field report so I am going to post a bit of it again, not all of it, but just my first encounter with Marta. I would echo the opinions on GT of the most recent post. Whether it is the slowness of business, or an attempt to "take advantage" my last visits to GT were on the whole with the exception of a small number of ladies, much less enjoyable, and much more business like. Given the fact that I have visited 8 times since September, it is a bit disappointing that many of the girls seem to think that they can treat a customer poorly or demand money for "regular services", and that this is going to work out in their or the club's favor. I can tell you it isn't because I'm sure, many guys like myself can try any place, and remember bad service or a scam.

That aside when I went the first two of my two day trip to GT, I did have a very good experience with Marta. Marta is a tall Romanian, with reddish / brown hair that is mid length. She comes across as friendly and intelligent, and has a bit of mischief in her eyes when your speaking with her. On a few occasions she has spoken to me before, but on the other occasions I had pretty much just "shot my load" and needed a bit of recovery time. On this occasion, perhaps when she saw me come in, she saw her chance. In any case, from the chat to the room was a non-rushed experience.

When we got in the room we didn't really discuss services. I just told her I would give her E200 for the hour, and she would tell me if there was something off the menu or not. We started with just touching and kissing in the GFE fashion and we enjoyed some mutual French kissing, and physical exploration. I would describe Marta as slim but in good shape, and relatively tall, about 1.74 (or nearly the same height as me) with her shoes off, but stockings on! (I am a sucker for stockings).

After kissing and touching I started to explore her breasts, tummy and inner thighs. I enjoyed teasing her and think she enjoyed the build up to my eventual pussy licking. I can safely say there was nothing not to like, and Marta allowed me to explore with both my mouth and fingers, not only her pussy, but anus as well. I can't really describe her orgasm but one moment she was quiet and then started moaning, and then had a strong shake. After that we went into 69 and as I contained my efforts, she started to give me a very deep and strong BBBJ. She started with the top of my cock with her tongue and mouth and was gentle but then gradually as I got harder and firmer took more and more with me until she started to deep throat me from above. I could feel my cock hitting the back of her throat and the saliva dripping down my head, and it nearly made me cum. However, I kept it together using her beautiful pussy as a distraction! We first tried cow girl and it was great to watch her balancing on my cock and lower herself up and down at an increasing pace. As I got closer I pulled her towards me and as we started to make out I changed the position so that my cock was pushing deep into her pussy lips from behind until she had another orgasm. From there we went to doggie which got me very close but still not over the finishing line, so then Marta went back to the BBBJ with my happy ending being an explosion into her mouth (unexpected CIM). She didn't swallow all of it but was very lady like about the process. It made me pretty sure that Anal, with the right guy and approach would certainly be possible, though I hadn't really thought of her as a full service girl until we finished.

Everything about the encounter was unhurried, and when we came out of the room, we were both smiling so it was clearly a job well done. I would definitely see her again should I go back because as with Misha, she is really genuine and not one of the sharks.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;1972052]Summary: newbies, AVOID. Shark tank ahead. Try a club in NRW Germany instead, one with a reliable service level, for your first experiences. Pro FKK'ers: possibly good for one or two visits if you happen to be in Vienna and pick carefully, but only if you enjoy the thrills of Russian roulette. There is nothing here that you won't get in the Frankfurt clubs at a lower price.
[/QUOTE]Nothing much else needs to be said because as an experienced FKK-guy you clearly have seen a lot. But then again please let me make one point which is uncanny: when we Viennese mongers go to Frankfurt and NRW. We very often are seen by the ladies as the tourists and victims that we actually aren't and yet we often do not get premium service in the room although we know and saw just as much and know our way around any given Romanian shark. I have really had terrible sessions in Sharks which I consider a great club. And I have had sessions in clubs with lady drinks like Maxim and many others that were so legendary that no session in an FKK ever came close to being as awesome as some alcohol can change the dynamic and bring it to a whole new level, make it a different "ball game" all together.

But I repeat my words from the other day and generally agree with you. Girls will search for victims now. It is the fierce competition. Mostly in numbers. That makes the girls try unfair methods in any given FKK now. Especially with Christmas around the corner. In many other more chill places, this will probably not be the case.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;1972052]
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When you chat to a GT girl, the first thing she will want to know is "Is it your first time here?" First time visitors are their main market. Easy meat. The flipside of that is that many of the girls actively discourage regular visitors: it is seen as running counter to the business model, I. E. Taking advantage of tourists. Repeat business is most determinedly *not* sought after. For example, see the report of RyeHumor63 below. On his first day he spent a ton of money on the girls but nevertheless was treated worse on his second day. I can say from my own experience it gets worse the more days you go.
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[/QUOTE]I have to disagree. Sure first time visitors are (like in every FKK-club) easy prey for the girls, but I have some regular girls at Goldentime and within some boundaries (no DFK) they give good service. For me it gets better the better I know the girl. One or two girls even greet me as soon as they spot me and come over to chat a bit.

Massimo, I am also an experienced De punter. Tried every region De many times, and I can relate to Polyamorist sentiments. Although Polyamorist is IMO one of the more critical members.

I have found two girls that provides a good standard of services (one better, Katelea after she got aquanted to me. I understand sometimes girls with potential require some aquantance with the punter) that matches some of the better clubs in De. Like Steppen states, a club like this, a newbie(to the club, not to the scene, rides on their past experiences) maybe come out with a bad visit. If you get more familiar with the LU, you can weed out the wrong ones like anywhere else, but there are clubs out there that are much easier to find the right girls in De. IMO GT Vien is on the lower than avg Tier in terms of finding the right girl for a new visitor counting De into the figure. But, not terrible given I found couple nice girls on my two visits. Like any outsiders, time is limited, and I would have visited more if comparing to Welcum or Andiamo. Andiamo was just a better club in terms of facilities, food, and girl optiks. Just that service levels are an upper hand at GT, but Fun Palast with lower avg optiks, better odds of services I suspect.

On the avg, upsells for extras are more prevenlant than the avg De club. But, like any other clubs, you have to interview the girls carefully, and there are potentials of finding the right girls there as well.

My opinion on Maxim doesn't change. I'm looking for P6, and maybe for others the venue bring some additional, but for me P6 is what I'm in for. Rate/optiks is not a draw even with free entry. GT is well worth visiting in the city, with Fun Palast as the next option. I will skip Maxim in the future.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1972497]Massimo, I am also an experienced De punter. Tried every region De many times, and I can relate to Polyamorist sentiments. Although Polyamorist is IMO one of the more critical members.
[/QUOTE]That was kinda my point. Being an experiences FKK-punter, mostly in Germany, those are very advanced reviews and opinions which may be tough to reflect a newbie's POV. And Pay6 comes in many forms and shapes which, believe me, are not isolated in any way to FKK clubs.

Does somebody know how the lineup at Goldentime will be the week before Christmas? Will it be normal or restricted?