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[QUOTE=MassimoPotente;2248895]The 100 are waived if you go to the room and spend the 550. So an hour is 550 and food and drinks are included whatever much you consume.[/QUOTE]OK, but I have to say that the food on offer was pretty weak. The best thing about it was the all the alcohol you can drink for 100 euros.

[QUOTE=MassimoPotente;2248969]I for one didn't say that I hate it at all. But I totally disagree with your assessment on pretty much every level.

What I did say is that the comparison is a waste of time because it is a different system, price level, clientele and girls level. Apples and Oranges or not even.

Babylon is a highend business level club for celebrities and politicians among other visitors. The notaries and lawyers and accountants do their networking there. There just isn't gounds for a comparison.

You can say that you have a great time at FP and I believe you. But I personally think that debating which of the 2 (or 3 if GT is in the mix) is better is nonsensical. But knock yourself out if you see grounds for it.[/QUOTE]Seen several lawyers, accountants etc etc in every single one of the big German clubs. I suppose politicians needs to keep it a bit more secret, but an accountant? Really? Austria sounds so different from where I live.

Also, how is the girls level different? You mean by what they offer in the room? Or their looks? Because the 3 ex Babylon girls I've met were hardly more than 8 for looks. One was perhaps just a 7 for me.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2249205] Austria sounds so different from where I live.

Also, how is the girls level different? You mean by what they offer in the room? Or their looks? Because the 3 ex Babylon girls I've met were hardly more than 8 for looks. One was perhaps just a 7 for me.[/QUOTE]Austria is not different only because you guys don't know or understand the concept of Babylon.

Girls in Babylon obey certain rules as to how clients must be treated. Customer is KING there and isn't at the FKKs and particularly not at FP.

The food there is definitely great, too. Cane, you probably just got appetizers or something.

[QUOTE=MassimoPotente;2249420]Austria is not different only because you guys don't know or understand the concept of Babylon.[/QUOTE]Excuse me, but I absolutely do understand the concept of Babylon. I understand it, and I also understand that they aren't pulling it off! If you're going to charge that kind of money, then you darn well better have some attractive women up in there. They don't, at least not when I went. Not ugly I would say, but just a collection of "plain Jane's" as I call them. Now, no need for you to go on and on trying to defend the place, or for me or anybody else going on and on beating it up. We ought to just move on because it's the kind of place where you're either going to like it or not. No in between. I don't like it because I don't see value there for my money. Pretentious and overstated. Suggest we just move on.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2249550]Excuse me, but I absolutely do understand the concept of Babylon. I understand it, and I also understand that they aren't pulling it off.[/QUOTE]The was I see it Massimo stepped in because Babylon seems to be pictured the wrong way here repeatedly. Let's not forget that with a cover of 100 Euro you get way more value there than at GT for example for the comparable 90 Euro entry fee.

After that of course the amount to pay the ladies differs greatly but that is just 2 systems that shouldn't be compared anyway. If 550 is too much (it is for most guys including me most of the time) for you then they are still pulling it off without you. With respect to Babylon's history and present position in the sex market many guys just don't have the Intel to make an objective assessment. Also beauty is not the only variable that defines the line-up of a high-scale establishment like be. To all intents and purposes, I also recommend to not seek comparison between an FKK and Babylon. And more so don't compare FP with it.

That's all from me, over and out!

A bit of diversion from big names. Tried Studio Relaxe Lounge which turned out to be a total disaster.

Was promised for all services as mentioned on their website, I confirmed after reaching there again.

Engaged services for one hour and paid the full price, however within few minutes girl told me she is not going to do what she promised outside.

As I did not finish in first few minutes she literally went mad. As it was not working as per her crooked plan!

She said she can not wait more than 5 minutes if I do not finish. And Alas. I was about to. But after her behavior. I could not. She left. !!

And of course complaints to the housekeeper received all very well prepared answers.

My request to all do not fall into this Trap and avoid this place. There are many better studios and houses here.

Wish you a very Happy Sexpedition!

[QUOTE=James124;2250821]A bit of diversion from big names. Tried Studio Relaxe Lounge which turned out to be a total disaster.

Was promised for all services as mentioned on their website, I confirmed after reaching there again.

Engaged services for one hour and paid the full price, however within few minutes girl told me she is not going to do what she promised outside.

As I did not finish in first few minutes she literally went mad. As it was not working as per her crooked plan!

She said she can not wait more than 5 minutes if I do not finish. And Alas. I was about to. But after her behavior. I could not. She left. !!

And of course complaints to the housekeeper received all very well prepared answers.

My request to all do not fall into this Trap and avoid this place. There are many better studios and houses here.

Wish you a very Happy Sexpedition![/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your bad experience, but unfortunately something like this can happen anytime and if you go to a cheaper studio that offers AO, you should consider bad service as a possibility. With a low price for AO often comes the fact that the girls probably won't do such a good job and are not as service-oriented as in higher prices establishments.

Hi all,

I used to live in Vienna and I have had a few visits at GT in the past when I was still innocent and unaware of the forum but I have been away for over 2 years.

I will be visiting this December and was looking forward to Goldentime but I am increasingly concerned about the upselling situation.

I am not in my element in a FKK and I am pushing myself already so to have to "negotiate" rates sounds a bit out there.

I read a lot about extra for OWO and DFK. Can I have only the DFK and how much upsell should I calculate? €20?

Also if I go for the full hour does this include OWO and DFK or they are still extra?

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2227199]2 nights in hands. Had 5 shortlisted. All off KM site.

Night 2 my top of list. An amateur who does it for "fun" wants minimum 3 hours booking. And wine. WOW. Probably the best paid sex I've had in years. Wild child, definitely loves sex [/QUOTE]Hi Neman Lion,

Can you please advise who this lady is and how to find her?

[QUOTE=MassimoPotente;2249420]Austria is not different only because you guys don't know or understand the concept of Babylon.

Girls in Babylon obey certain rules as to how clients must be treated. Customer is KING there and isn't at the FKKs and particularly not at FP.

The food there is definitely great, too. Cane, you probably just got appetizers or something.[/QUOTE]I don't want to discuss Babylon, I certainly had good times in GT prior to 2012 and even a year ago. I have been in GT numerous times and FP only 3 times in the last few years.

I did get the feeling that FP was better for service nowadays, especially with all the reports of upselling at GT.

And contrary to previous reports, this does apply increasingly to locals as well.

So why the comment that the customer is especially not king at FP, when he really is not at all king at GT with all the upselling? Off course the lineup at GT is way better, but the service?

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2251354]
So why the comment that the customer is especially not king at FP, when he really is not at all king at GT with all the upselling? Off course the lineup at GT is way better, but the service?[/QUOTE]It was related to Babylon's treatment of the customers compared to FKKs.

[QUOTE=James124;2250821]A bit of diversion from big names. Tried Studio Relaxe Lounge which turned out to be a total disaster.

Was promised for all services as mentioned on their website, I confirmed after reaching there again.

Engaged services for one hour and paid the full price, however within few minutes girl told me she is not going to do what she promised outside.

As I did not finish in first few minutes she literally went mad. As it was not working as per her crooked plan!

She said she can not wait more than 5 minutes if I do not finish. And Alas. I was about to. But after her behavior. I could not. She left. !!

And of course complaints to the housekeeper received all very well prepared answers.

My request to all do not fall into this Trap and avoid this place. There are many better studios and houses here.

Wish you a very Happy Sexpedition![/QUOTE]As others have posted-who was the girl?

Their website lists:

Included in my price.

"Two-sided NATURFRANZSISCH, traffic in the hottest positions, repeated coming possible, common showering, massage, kisses with tongue, breast erotic, finger play, dildo games & Algierfranz. With me, facesitting, striptease. ".

What services did you receive?

Any location can always provide a poor experience. Reading a German forum I do not see similar warnings but sad to hear of your visit.

On a work-travel to Vienna, I visited FP twice. Had not been there for 2 years. Two years ago, entry was raised to 90 Euro with the consequences of less clients and girls. So I did not visit Vienna for a long time.

New price structure:

* 80 euro in entry, but including a coupon worth 60 Euro for the first half hour. So real entry is 20 Euro.

* Food and drinks cost extra. Only water is free. But the restaurant is run by an external firm. Efficiency has increased. A good meal costs 9-15 Euro, a fanta 4 Euro.

* 5 Euro for 2 extra towels.

* The coupon is only worth 50 Euro for the girls. So the club "steal" 10 Euro from the girls from this coupon.

* Otherwise, prices for room services are not changed.

4 sessions during 2 (half) days. 3 great and 1 bad.

Clarissa (Greece) and Ella (Romania) highly recommended.

The total result at FP after the new price structure?

Excellent!

1) Much better quality of the food (also compared to GT).

2) A day at FP, now costs 40-50 Euro less for the clients.

3) Significantly more clients. Especially more clients who stay for short or medium periods (2-5 hours) at the club.

4) Significantly more girls, who can earn more money (since more clients).

Only negative aspect:

No girl wants to work early. Such girls will only receive "coupons" as payment and lose 10 Euro per room. Most girls turn up after 15-16 in the afternoon.

I will definitely visit this club more times.

The cost per day (including food and drinks) was 170-180 Euro.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2248956]I have never been to Babylon and would never pay that much. However I have been to Funpalast 3 times and honestly I never thought it was so bad. On average the service is better than Goldentime now, in the past GT service was a lot better, but now even the regulars agree that they are subject to upselling and have to pay more than 60 Euros most of the time, am I right Massimo?

What I don't like about Funpalast is that it is not fully nude, but neither is Maxim, GT has a much better lineup, but even GT has some chubby and ugly girls. Funpalast has some nice girls the place is spacious and has decent food, service is usually pretty good here but not always.

Funpalast is nicer than many clubs I have seen in Germany that people like, Acapulco, Samya (which is tiny) and so on. I have seen many german clubs with much worse lineups too, Funpalast usually has some nice girls.

Why do you guys hate it so much?[/QUOTE]Because some people like to pay 500 Euro for a service that you can receive for 60 Euro at another club (FP).

Or they have some kind of sexual fetish of being up-selled (at GT).

If you look at my recent report, it is obvious that these persons' reports about FP are "fake news".

I have visited +20 different FKK-sauna-clubs in Germany, so I know what I am talking about.

Fun-Palast has really become better.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2251637]
If you look at my recent report, it is obvious that these persons' reports about FP are "fake news".
[/QUOTE]Thank you for your input!

Personally, I am pretty sure they aren't fake at all. FP has become cheaper as a parachute to survive. Had they become better they wouldn't have been forced to install the coupon system to begin with. The hygiene has not improved. Food has but now seeing that you have to pay for it, you needn't compare it to GT's food (which isn't good) or Babylon's food (which is outstanding) but to a normal restaurant instead. So, Food at FP was never good when it was free and now it is ok when you pay for it.

Here is an actual and factual example why comparing FP to any other of the clubs is not working: the same girl has worked Babylon Klagenfurt and Babylon Vienna, Wellcum (not in Vienna), Globe (not even in Austria), Maxim, GT and Funpalast. FP is the only place to which she appears with her hair not washed and her nails not done and nobody of the management will notice or care. Yes, there are more girls at FP now and more new girls there now, too. And it makes sense to go there every once in a while to check out what is new, I do it just as well. But girls go as they come. And there is way more to say critically if one wanted to discuss how girls come to work for a day and leave after a day but this isn't the place to give a philosophy lecture or an insight into the prostitution law.

If a club decides to disrupt the market by giving coupons away it is not likely that any real improvement can ever come out of there. Yes, total number of customers has grown significantly but to what end? This adds nothing to an aching market.

I am also critical of the other clubs because they have not at all dealt with FP's change of system as they should've early last year. I think they didn't take it seriously or something. But maybe I am too far removed with my own porfession to still understand the inner thinking of brothel managers.

One more thought. "Especially more clients who stay for short or medium periods (2-5 hours) at the club. " I am one of them and now I spend less time and less money at FP as I ever did before. I leave early because at later hours, particularly on the weekend, the atmosphere at FP has become predictably unbearable in my POV. The money that I spend less at FP now, I spend more at other places.

Arnold15, maybe it would be helpful to mention the names of the girls who you sessioned with and had a good time with and also point out the one bad apple for people to avoid her.