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[QUOTE=Liljoey;1244940]Hi AM / Nullnull, thanks for the feedback, guys. I will probably follow AM's efficient order of visitation. It's interesting, Nullnull, that you say KD had the disapppointing line up. The KD website pictures (Marianna, Betty, Lea, Penny and Annabel, to name a few, have pretty appealing faces and nice bodies) are far more inviting than the pics on the Royal and VK websites. .[/QUOTE]Sorry for the late reply. I was disappointed maybe just because everybody seems to be enthusiastic about KD. But that day it was definitely not that good. The 5-6 girls seem to be in their 30s, had some not so fine parts of body fat and the faces were OK but not pretty or something. Having in mind that they also have this strict non-BBBJ rule (there are probably exceptions) I quit.

While definitely KD, VK and Royal (I would ad Liberty) normally have many appealing women I am generally not so convinced anymore by these places. There is something weird about their attitude to sell their girls as if they are well educated intelligent students. Most of them are not at all well educated or it is limited to the point that they can drop some names of upscale clubs and expensive restaurants. One girl at VK once tried to convince me that she likes to enjoy cultural events too (I was stupid enough to mention going to the Berliner Philharmoniker that evening) and guess with what example she came up? Having a picnic and drinking wine with friends at the Holocaust monument! LOL!

The much better looking women by my own standards (Young! Cute Faces! Slim!) I found at more mid-range places such as Tomsen (Bundesallee128) , Klix37 or sometimes even at shabby Thai bordellos in Berlin Neukoelln. And they even knew how to perform. But then at these smaller places there is always a higher risk that the 1 or 2 hotties have their day off or are already booked.

[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1247174]I was disappointed maybe just because everybody seems to be enthusiastic about KD. But that day it was definitely not that good. The 5-6 girls seem to be in their 30s, had some not so fine parts of body fat and the faces were OK but not pretty or something. Having in mind that they also have this strict non-BBBJ rule (there are probably exceptions) I quit.

While definitely KD, VK and Royal (I would ad Liberty) normally have many appealing women I am generally not so convinced anymore by these places. There is something weird about their attitude to sell their girls as if they are well educated intelligent students. The much better looking women by my own standards (Young! Cute Faces! Slim!) I found at more mid-range places such as Tomsen (Bundesallee128) , Klix37 or sometimes even at shabby Thai bordellos in Berlin Neukoelln. And they even knew how to perform. [/QUOTE]Well, to each his own. These are obviously taste things, who knows who was on during days you visited, what state of mind your were in, etc. You are of course entitled to your opinion. But my experience is dead opposite and I would disagree with just about every statement here. KD's strict policy on BBBJs is in practice a little more flexible (perhaps my strategy of using blindfolds and dipping mine in chocolate..). On the "intelligence" bit, you find it "weird" that girls are promoted as intelligent? I would find it weird if they were not. It would be an interesting strategy: "come to our bordello and converse with idiots". But who the hell goes to these places for the stimulating conversation? (If I want that, I just contact our esteemed Mr Magee). And on the thin, young beauty bits, all the well known, popular bordellos have this in spades and all the locals repeating suggests performance is good, which is why they are um, er, uh well known and popular. Look at the website pix there vs the several down-market venues you suggest. Sorry, I don't get it. But as I said. If it works for you, fine.

Angus's suggested list and sequence is and remains a good guide, for the rest of you on a schedule.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1247228]Angus's suggested list and sequence is and remains a good guide, for the rest of you on a schedule.[/QUOTE]Actually I would definitely add Mon Rouge on to the list of "must Visit" places in Berlin. I did not mention it at all to LJ because of the early hour of his arrival and departure. But Mon Rouge is an excellent bordello, it is just that as it is really a night time place (open until 02:00 I believe) the chance of finding any top girls there before noon are almost zero.

As for the small places, it is very true one can find in them gems. But these girls are almost always new to town and usually quite unsophisticated. Not that sophisticated is something very important to me but it can mean a poor performance if the girl really has not come to any term with what she is in fact doing, fucking men for cash.

The girls at the bigger bordellos may not be world class courtesans, schooled in 15 languages and the classics, but usually they have spent some time in western Europe and it is possible to find some common ground.

AM

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1247174]While definitely KD, VK and Royal (I would ad Liberty) normally have many appealing women I am generally not so convinced anymore by these places. There is something weird about their attitude to sell their girls as if they are well educated intelligent students. Most of them are not at all well educated or it is limited to the point that they can drop some names of upscale clubs and expensive restaurants. One girl at VK once tried to convince me that she likes to enjoy cultural events too (I was stupid enough to mention going to the Berliner Philharmoniker that evening) and guess with what example she came up? Having a picnic and drinking wine with friends at the Holocaust monument! LOL![/QUOTE]I too have been disappointed with the KD lineup (or actually the availability of providers) during past 3 or 4 visits. I guess I should have booked an appointment well in advance. But if you are ready to put in some effort and make a tour of these three places, a suitable girl should be easy to find.

As to the level of education of the girls, although there have been some obvious airheads, I have been usually pleasantly surprised by the intelligence and level of knowledge these girls have. My last visit to Royal yielded an unexpected double pleasure: a true GFE with a student of the same discipline I am myself educated in. We had a long talk after the session. She actually volunteered her phone number (two of them) and her non-stage name. I am still a bit perplexed how proceed with this information. I don't know if this common or not: a true jewel found or just another way to hook a regular?

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1247228].You are of course entitled to your opinion. But my experience is dead opposite and I would disagree with just about every statement here. KD's strict policy on BBBJs is in practice a little more flexible (perhaps my strategy of using blindfolds and dipping mine in chocolate.). On the "intelligence" bit, you find it "weird" that girls are promoted as intelligent? I would find it weird if they were not. It would be an interesting strategy: "come to our bordello and converse with idiots". But who the hell goes to these places for the stimulating conversation? (If .[/QUOTE]That's why I'd rather see them to leave that intellectual part out of their girls' descriptions. I mean if their "education" is mostly based on knowing that Gucci is better than Walmart then there is no point in promoting this.

And don't get me wrong. Apart from my not so good experience at KD I second that list here with Royal and VK especially for a short visit in Berlin. The girls there are mostly in the 6-8 class and you don't get there fat housewives presented. I started my bordello history in places such as VK but believe me the hottest looking and performing girls I found in different places. Maybe my desire for exotic (Asian, black) features played a part in this. And sometimes I met girls working in Royal / VK at another less expensive joint and they didn't look or perform worse.

Apparently they are no longer open on Sundays, contrary to their web site. Would say it is GFE if your GF is a cum crazy 25 year old with a tight body who enjoys going to swing clubs and [at least appears to] enjoy taking all cummers! Have to say that most of the mongers I know would not necessarily rate it that high, but my male swinger friends would say 10/10. Great value for as many pops as you can for basically the price of admission at Artemis. But, no swimming pool, etc. And it is a real gb experience. Management is extremely friendly, would agree with past posters that not a lot of instructions are given, tho. Would also concur that the food is superior and beers and some mixed drinks are free. Simple to find in publicc transit- Karl Marx Strasse stop. Was just there for a long weekend and passed up both Artemis and LaFolie, both of which I like a lot. But thenm, more of a swinger than one on one monger in the past, so YMMV. Must add the girls were extremely friendly and dod not give off a business vibe, at all.

I have been making sex trips to Germany for 7 years now, around 50 trips in total I guess. I still have not been to Berlin, but am planning to make my next trip there before the summer.

Obviously the flat rate scene here is not the same as in the Dusseldorf area where I normally hangout, but a few places in Berlin interest me:

[url]http://www.erlebniswohnung.com/en/[/url]

[url]http://insomnia-berlin.de/[/url]

Possibly:

[url]http://www.bordell-grunewaldstrasse23.de/startseite.html[/url]

[url]http://www.caligula-berlin.de/[/url]

I know [url]http://www.berlinintim.de/[/url] Is the main site for gangbang etc, but does anyone know of any flate rate Bareback parties for instance?

Also any hotels with free travel cards like in Dusseldorf? Or any other helpful info?

When I finally arrive here for my holiday, I will probably go to a sex event every 2nd day, and do some touristy shit every other day over the course of about a week.

Please post any sites or other info that might be helpful to a Berlin Virgin, related to either sex or general info.

Finally I hope to meet our resident Berling ISGer Angus for a beer or a club visit, although I know he is not really into the flatrate scene,

Thanks,

WK

Went to KD today and the line up was poor. Only 1 girl! It was several hours after they had opened but maybe just a busy day. Returned 1 hour later with a better parade. Around 4-5 girls. But I do have to agree with the others saying the selection at KD are poorer these days. Well, it could of course been a bad day but in the vorstellung there were no really stunners in my opinion. On previous visits the selection was better with beauties such as Julia. Has anyone seen Amy before? (no pics on the site) She was supposed to be in today but I did not see her in the parade, neither Felicia (whom I've visited before and is a beautiful girl) I thought KD was pretty strict on the no BBBJ policy but some reports tends to see it as more liberal. Blowjob with condom just isn't the same and more "sterile" A few more days in Berlin and not sure which place to visit. Any suggestions? Thought about heading of to Tiffany but I'm weary as I think the place is a bit on the shabby side with a bit too many "german housewives" types and less of the young and beautiful, also not being offered a shower is annoying. I've given VK a thought too but I agree with Angus Magee that the attitude from the management there is not the best, while the selection of girls are pretty good. No "anwesenheits" list on their site also. A Berlin version of the Termingirls (in Ratingen, outside Köln / Düsseldorf) would be nice, but I'm not sure such a place excist in Berlin. In Köln / Düsseldorf (or NRW in general) BBBJ is pretty standard and without any extra costs. In Berlin however from my experience its extra in most cases when offered. Where are the pornstar looking girls in Berlin?

Merkur-some of this is a taste thing-your "porn star" look might be skanky to me, and visa versa. So who knows really. Van Kampen has some winners (and once and for all, this "management attitude" stuff is just wrong-I have written about this before, Kimino was there without probs-all nonsense). KD. Felecia is only there 1x per week (Fridays as schedule clearly says). Ritter / Tiffany has some gems (and showers-don't know where you got that). But if you check out Royal, Prestige, Liberty, and slightly pricier Mon Rouge, surely even you can find satisfaction. Then of course there is always Artemis where the BBBJs are standard and lots of choices. Look on all their web pages, call ahead to check availability. All this has been discussed ad nauseum on the forum. You can risk spontaneity of course, but good mongering requires some work.

[QUOTE=Wanking; 1248380]Finally I hope to meet our resident Berling ISGer Angus for a beer or a club visit, although I know he is not really into the flatrate scene,

Thanks, [/QUOTE]As you note these things are not really my thing so I can not help you that much in your selection. In general I will say that I think KG is better over all than Caligula though by looking at the web site Caligula has an over all skankier line up. It seems that it is hard to coax a performance from the Caligula girls. That alone is not a reason not to visit as a monger such as yourself I am sure can find what he is looking for and find satisfaction.

As for AO gang bangs, the one that does seem to get a whole lot of press on the local forum is PornoLongJohn, WixiTrixi and Co.

[url]http://www.pornfighterlongjohn.com/[/url]

Seems that he is a local porn celebrity who has a stable of minor female porno girls in his stable. I can not really speak of the quality but from his website things do look good. Be warned that the website it self is very busily designed and has loud music that needs to be turned off before you can really sift through all the shit and find the info that you might be looking for.

And definitely do get in touch at least for a beer and a chat.

AM

The thing to remember about line ups is they can change drastically form day to day, even hour to hour. I have found myself going from apartment to apartment unable to find just the right girl. Especially during the day these places do get busy and one always needs to be prepared to say no and move on to the next place. In a way this is yet another reason for preferring Artemis as one can see readily who is available and who might be free in an hour or so. Rather than pounding the pave ment you can relax downstairs while you wait. I know some guys do not like the whole FKK set up but it really is a more comfortable way to browse in the end.

As for VK-I have already said that perhaps I have been hasty in declaring them a bunch of xenophobes. But I will stand by my observation that I have never felt as good (cared for & my patronage wanted) there as I have at other bordellos. Make of that what you will.

AM

Thanks Rocketboy0 for good suggestions. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was whining in my report. It was never my intention. Indeed what is a good "pornstar" is subjective. I don't really fancy the bimbo types (heavy eyemakeup and so) as much as the more "natural looking". To get some general ideas of my fancies take a look at termingirls24. De.

I've met Sabrina at that place which is a really beauty. Maybe "pornstar attitude" is a better term, but then again porntar do a lot of fakes "oh and ahs". .

As for VK- I've been there several times and had both good and not so good responses For instance its happened before they got a bit cranky when I didn't fancy anyone in the parade and wanted to leave. One time I had to wait for in the room for nearly 20-30 minutes no matter how many times I knocked. I should of course just left myself. But walking around on my own- I did just that my first time in a bordello (it was VK in fact) without knowing the rules back then many years ago and the hausfrau there got quite mad. Of course bordellos have their system but I doubt its the end of the world should a customer meet another customer there. Without doubt VK has a lot of good looking girls and Amelie looks top notch to me,

About the shower thing in Tiffany- surely I can't be alone about this. I've visited that place 5 times before and was never offered a shower (3 times with Pia, seems she is not there anymore now). It always happened the girl was ready to start and I had to ask for a shower myself. Of course I got one then but this has never happened among the many other bordellos I've visited in Germany. I have no reasonably explanation for this.

I've never tried Royal, Prestige, Liberty, and Mon Rouge before. Thanks a lot for those suggestions.

Oh I almost forgot to mention- I tried a couple of thai massage places the last few days:

[url]http://www.thai-massage-berlin.info[/url]

This one was really a dissapointment and the whole thing felt clinical (including the handjob- done with little feeling) Luckily I did not have to pay extra.

The masseuse tried to convince me to have two girls but I politely declinded smelling it was too much business like.

The second place I tried was better:

[url]http://peilin.massagedamen.de[/url]

There you get half hour "Bangkok" massage for 50€ meaning the girl gets naked. A "Pattaya massage" was slighlty more expensive and means body to body. Handjob included in the price here too and more is possible for extra money. I was offered blowjob for 30€ extra but I left it with just the handjob which was fairly good compared to the bad one at the first thai massage place. I think intercourse was also possible. Unfourtenately Peilin (the best looking in my opnion) was not there. Not sure really what are the "best" thai massage places in Berlin

[QUOTE=Merkur; 1248757]Thanks Rocketboy0 for good suggestions. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was whining in my report. It was never my intention. Indeed what is a good "pornstar" is subjective.

As for VK- I've been there several times and had both good and not so good responses For instance its happened before they got a bit cranky when I didn't fancy anyone in the parade and wanted to leave. One time I had to wait for in the room for nearly 20-30 minutes no matter how many times I knocked. About the shower thing in Tiffany- surely I can't be alone about this. I've visited that place 5 times before and was never offered a shower. It always happened the girl was ready to start and I had to ask for a shower myself. Of course I got one then but this has never happened among the many other bordellos I've visited in Germany. I have no reasonably explanation for this. I've never tried Royal, Prestige, Liberty, and Mon Rouge before. Thanks a lot for those suggestions.[/QUOTE]M. I think, over many years, in just about every place I've been, at some point, the hausmuttis have shown some frustration when on the rare occasion, I have just said nein danke. It's a pretty normal human reaction-you deal with guys coming in off the street all day in a couped up little flat, you supervise endless parades, maybe it's a slow day, maybe there are hormones flowing or not flowing-who knows. I know some men expect to be treated courteously or better at all times no matter what. There is an argument to be made that this is a service business etc , and the customer is always right and must be respected. Me, I just don't get so flustered about such things. As long as I am polite, I sleep ok. In all flats at one time or another, I too have waited long times. There are moments when their systems just get overloaded, too many guys entering and exiting at the same time, too few rooms, and so forth. You have to remember, these are simply not professional businesses or shops, with highly trained staff. They are in fact, obviously, just the opposite. All part of the charm.

On the shower scene at Ritter. Never happened to me with 4 different girls, multiple times. (Perhaps I smelled so bad they begged me to douche first?) I think you just got unlucky. I dunno really. I like to be treated well but perhaps I just have lower expectations. Germany has many fine things and products but it is rather well known to be lacking in the service sector. The Berlin / Northern D / Prussian culture itself can be a little cool and distant, at times. You just cannot let these things bug you. You're not in Kansas anymore Todo, and anyway- the point is to find a girl who digs you in the moment. So eyes on the prize.

Now, your reporter will confess that at one time back in the day, he too was intrigued by the Terminen Team to the point of conducting a special op there. They are attractive to be sure, though who knows how this Hungarian roulette thing works. I was not wild about booking unseen but it was an ok time. For that quasi natural look, with a little porni play thrown in, if you choose wisely, I think Royal, van Kampen, or Mon Rouge (that actually might be first port of call for you even though it is smaller and slightly costlier) might be the way. But really and surely you know this, it is simply impossible to predict in advance how the chemistry will work at the moment between you and your choice. You cannot really do it, and a third party has even less of a chance of being right. Evolution somehow wants all this to be mysterious, probably as a way to keep the gene pool highly diversified.

I personally think there are better gems in the bordellos, but I have time, I live here, I know the scene, and I have my highly trained favorites where we know each other well. If you are visiting, just because of the variety of choices and the dual time factor (you save time by not having to race all over the city, you gain time because you can really take it slow and talk with a girl to see if things click) , Artemis has a lot of advantages. As Angus points out, it is not every man's cup of tea and it does with frequent use get a bit old. But for a few days in Berlin, it is tough to beat. And you can shower whenever you want. Let us know how it go-keep reporting.

[QUOTE=Merkur; 1248757][url]http://peilin.massagedamen.de[/url]

Not sure really what are the "best" thai massage places in Berlin[/QUOTE]One of the very few disappointments to me about the Berlin scene has always been the paucity and quality of the Oriental girls in the city. Compare for instance the peilin. Massage website with this outfit in London (and there are another dozen similar agencies) :-

[url]http://www.orientalheaven18.co.uk/[/url]

This is an operation I have visited four or five times in the last few months, and whilst the pictures are photoshopped, they are at least genuine, the service is fine and the girls are overall 100 times prettier than the Oriental girls I have encountered in Berlin.

I could speculate at length as to why there appears to be a comparative absence of Thai hotties in Berlin as opposed to London. Language, immigration rules, colonial history, market pricing etc, but the bottom line is that, so fas as I have been able to discover, the Oriental scene is generally uninteresting in Berlin. Unfortunately.

Charlie

Hello, Angus,

I wish to attend Berlin events this weekend.

And pornfighter seems to be interesting, but from the website there is no much info about the location and the contact nos.

Can you please let me know if they have any events in this week or next week and please pass the contact details.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1248600]As you note these things are not really my thing so I can not help you that much in your selection. In general I will say that I think KG is better over all than Caligula though by looking at the web site Caligula has an over all skankier line up. It seems that it is hard to coax a performance from the Caligula girls. That alone is not a reason not to visit as a monger such as yourself I am sure can find what he is looking for and find satisfaction.

As for AO gang bangs, the one that does seem to get a whole lot of press on the local forum is PornoLongJohn, WixiTrixi and Co.

[url]http://www.pornfighterlongjohn.com/[/url]

Seems that he is a local porn celebrity who has a stable of minor female porno girls in his stable. I can not really speak of the quality but from his website things do look good. Be warned that the website it self is very busily designed and has loud music that needs to be turned off before you can really sift through all the shit and find the info that you might be looking for.

And definitely do get in touch at least for a beer and a chat.

AM[/QUOTE]